When did it become cool to hate Nirvana?

[AtrainV]

Seems like so many people on this board dislike the band or at least Kurt Cobain. I can understand the arguments surrounding "they're overrated" or "they overshadowed other, better bands" but really, I can't imagine a band in the 90s that has had more of an influence on rock music (in general) than Nirvana.

That and Nevermind has always been, and will always be a perfect record, in my opinion. Regardless of how you feel about Smells Like Teen Spirit, you have to agree that this is a pretty flawless album as a whole. (Although my favorite has to be Incesticide).

In my opinion, there are so many bands that you could choose to hate on from that time period... why choose Nirvana?

[AtrainV]

...and on that note, I'm hitting the sack. I look forward to hearing what you have to say about this tomorrow.

[never]

I really enjoy Bleach and In Utero, can't speak much for the other albums but yea they don't deserve the widespread hate that they constantly receive.

[NamelessNom4d]

I don't get it either. I like Nirvana. Their songs are simple, yet catchy, and I overall think they were a pretty decent band. I do think they are a bit overrated, but certainly not a bad band. A shame Cobain blew his head off... :rolleyes:

[Σnigma]

I dislike Nirvana because all of their songs revolve around the same morbid tones, more or less. That, and there's always the fanboy-faggot-following of kids that think Cobain is Jesus. Overall, Nevermind was alright, but SLTS was a horribly repetitive song.

[Born/Dead]

Loving Nirvana used to be the trend, now hating them is, regardless, of what you actually think of their music.

[Falcon]

Maybe it's because I'm only nineteen, but I've never met any crazy rabid Kurt Cobain fans that a lot of Nirvana haters like to rant about. Maybe it's just not my generation. About half of my friends really like Nirvana and about half really don't like them. They're one of my favorite bands because I like Kurt's voice (which is kinda odd, since I HATE most grunge music) and the songs stick in my head and have really great melodies. They try to be simple and it works. In Utero is my favorite of theirs. The box set has covers of Leadbelly and the Velvet Underground which are awesome too.

[k4aic]

I could go on about this for days..

I am a fan of the "seattle" music ...mostly ALICE IN CHAINS..Madseason...Screaming Trees...but HATE HATE HATE HATE NIRVANA/KURT!

FUCK KURT! Seriously..

Reasons:

1. Nirvana DID NOT START "GRUNGE"...I hate that word but for sake of argument I shall call it that.. Ok in seattle you had Mudhoney, Screaming Trees etc...in the mid 80's/late 80's...THEY were more the pioneers than Nirvana.

2. Alice In Chains actually were before Nirvana..but do you hear about them ? NO!
Alice was more deep, dark, and the lyrics and meanings to Alice had way way way more value than anything kurt could use his gravel voice to express.

3. Kurt for some reason had the right people to take what was already going on and making in mainstream/popular/commercial.

4. The things alice in chains/mad season wrote and sung about were far more deep aka about using drugs...shooting up..depression, anger, suicide w/e...Cobain was just about singing whatever the fuck was put in front of him..yea he wrote "polly" about that chick being raped or whatever but really nirvana had no meanings to what they were talking about it was just a guy singing like a gravel pit...wait not singing SCREAMING incoherently..

5. you want to under stand Nirvana look up weird al's parody of smells like teen spirit..

6. LAYNE STALEY OWNS KURT COBAIN
ALICE IN CHAINS OWNS NIRVANA

7 The best thing out of Nirvana was Dave Grohl.

[Jo Nathen]

Nirvana is one of my favs of all time, however radio is killing them.

Nirvana and metallica are getting overplayed on some Philly and New York stations and its fucking annoying. They are the sped, high-pitched, cut up versions of the songs, too.

[AtrainV]

I could go on about this for days..

I am a fan of the "seattle" music ...mostly ALICE IN CHAINS..Madseason...Screaming Trees...but HATE HATE HATE HATE NIRVANA/KURT!

FUCK KURT! Seriously..

Reasons:

1. Nirvana DID NOT START "GRUNGE"...I hate that word but for sake of argument I shall call it that.. Ok in seattle you had Mudhoney, Screaming Trees etc...in the mid 80's/late 80's...THEY were more the pioneers than Nirvana.

2. Alice In Chains actually were before Nirvana..but do you hear about them ? NO!
Alice was more deep, dark, and the lyrics and meanings to Alice had way way way more value than anything kurt could use his gravel voice to express.

3. Kurt for some reason had the right people to take what was already going on and making in mainstream/popular/commercial.

4. The things alice in chains/mad season wrote and sung about were far more deep aka about using drugs...shooting up..depression, anger, suicide w/e...Cobain was just about singing whatever the fuck was put in front of him..yea he wrote "polly" about that chick being raped or whatever but really nirvana had no meanings to what they were talking about it was just a guy singing like a gravel pit...wait not singing SCREAMING incoherently..

5. you want to under stand Nirvana look up weird al's parody of smells like teen spirit..

6. LAYNE STALEY OWNS KURT COBAIN
ALICE IN CHAINS OWNS NIRVANA

7 The best thing out of Nirvana was Dave Grohl.

So really the hate has nothing to do with the band or the music? You're just pissed because your precious AiC got overshadowed?

And tell me again why AiC was deep? Because they sang about drugs, depression, anger, & suicide? Have you actually heard any Nirvana songs? 50% of the songs are about one or more of those topics, and I consider those to be some of the more shallow songs.

Here I was thinking people actually disliked the music, but really it's just another instance of disliking fans or feeling like another favorite band got cheated out of the "creator" role for the genre.

Nobody with any real merit thinks that Nirvana started the genre, but I'll be damned if they didn't bring it to the floor.

[Silverfuck]

k4aic, you win +10 cool points for being into AIC, and +5 more for the Screaming Trees and Mad Season. When people ask me my favourite bands and I mention Alice in Chains they all make this confused face...breaks my heart.

That being said, I used to love Nirvana growing up. Musically, none of its musicians really excelled at what they did, but as the sum of the parts they got the music across well enough, however Kurt Cobain is being idealized as this great guitarist, and Dave Grohl has somehow become known as a great drummer, and that's really praise that is unwarranted, in my opinion. Nirvana's a good band, but they're not this huge force in rock music that everyone makes them out to be, and when every teenbopper and their mom is going crazy about how Nirvana is the best thing since slice bread, it kind of kills it for me a little bit. Maybe that's superficial, but that's how I feel.

[AtrainV]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that AiC is bad, by any stretch of the means. All of the bands you mentioned are pretty great. What I'm trying to point out is that it's ridiculous to hate a band because they got more attention by mainstream media than another. Furthermore, during the 90s, you couldn't go more than an hour without hearing an AiC song on the mainstream hard rock stations; Nirvana was about the same.

I've never heard anybody speak of Nirvana as if they were great musicians. Kurt was an atrocious guitar player, Dave was decent on the drums (but he did have style) and Krist was mediocre at best on bass. However, they were very creative musicians, and took their mediocre skills and turned them into some really fantastic songs.

Within the 90s, I can't think of a rock group (excluding metal, as that is an entirely different beast) that hasn't cited Nirvana as an influence. It was almost as if Nirvana fandom was a coming-of-age enlightenment at that point. It helped do what punk was great for in the 70s and 80s: it got kids playing music.

[Monocle]

They're a decent band, not a great one. Never were IMO. Kurts lyrics and somewhat lame, along with the voice that sings them.

If he never died I honestly think Dave G. would be the only person with a career...If when the would be the post-suicide nirvana craze died he would'nt die with it.

Pearl Jam > Nirvana
Eddie Vedder > Kurt Cobain

[Σnigma]

THEY CAN PLAY AKUSTICK THAT MAKES THEM SUPER H4RDKORe

[Wailing Fungus]

He made the emo/depressing shit we have for music now possible/acceptable.

Some of their songs are alright though... Just not number one band woo!

[shopping cart for brains]

Holy fuck, can anyone seriously think of a better "grunge" band, ever?

No, fuck you, Alice in Chains can suck my cock.

[shopping cart for brains]

Also: Fuck Dave Grohl and everything he's ever done after Nirvana

[AtrainV]

He made the emo/depressing shit we have for music now possible/acceptable.

Some of their songs are alright though... Just not number one band woo!

Are you kidding me? Emo is one of the genres least inspired by Nirvana. It came out of the post-hardcore days of the 80s and mixed with the pop-punk of the 90s, then later stole the stylings of the goth scene (which, in-turn was basically a recreation of the post-punk scene of the early 80s).

Grunge does not fit into that mix in any way, shape, or form.

[AtrainV]

They're a decent band, not a great one. Never were IMO. Kurts lyrics and somewhat lame, along with the voice that sings them.

If he never died I honestly think Dave G. would be the only person with a career...If when the would be the post-suicide nirvana craze died he would'nt die with it.

Pearl Jam > Nirvana
Eddie Vedder > Kurt Cobain

I think it's a fair argument to say they never would've reached the stardom they've acquired had Kurt not committed suicide. However, we will never know for sure.

Whether or not you think Kurt's lyrics are lame (sometimes they are, but sometimes they are very insightful), I think most people can agree that they're better than the lyrics we get for the mainstream rock groups in the 00s.

Not that it should be a gold standard.

[Caramello Koala]

i'm not a grunge fan but i like a few of nirvana's songs, come as you are and dumb in particular (the cover of the man who sold the world is also pretty good).

[TokoYami200]

Nirvana is fun to listen to, so is Alice in Chains.

Every annoying Kurt Cobain fan I've met only knows songs off Nevermind.

@k4aic

You sound as bad as the rabid Nirvana fanboys, except for AIC. AIC and Nirvana are two completely different bands. Kurt Cobain's goal wasn't to write deep lyrics, it was to be catchy. And I think he did just that, he made catchy songs.

Oh and Grohl sucks.

[Centipede2]

Their early work was a little too new wave for my tastes, but when Sports came out in '83, I think they really came into their own, commercial and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost. He's been compared to Elvis Costello, but I think Kurt has a far much more bitter, cynical sense of humour.

In '87, Kurt released this, Nevermind, their most accomplished album. I think their undisputed masterpiece is "Smells Like Teen Spirit", a song so catchy, most people probably don't listen to the lyrics. But they should, because it's not just about the pleasures of conformity, and the importance of trends, it's also a personal statement about the band itself.

[k4aic]

I am not mad Alice got overshadowed..just mad at the idea a "band" made out of commercial success such as Nirvana gets cred where they shouldnt. All you hear is kurt kurt kurt oh he was wonderful LOL no he wasnt!

Silverfuck:
+ a billion for being into AIC and MS too! :) You just got hotter now after I found that out!

But to those who think I am just pissy over the nirvana gets more attention no im not..im sad that people think that Nirvana is REAL music..no they did not sing about the shit alice did...nor did they in any sense near the depths of what alice did..Do you hear any songs that sound like AIC's "godsmack" or "junkhead" from Nirvana?? NO...there is a reason...

And yes I agree they are different styles, if I had to classify alice into a category it would be hard rock/metal..not grunge..but alice didnt have a genre..like nirvana did..

and grohl was better after nirvana..another person that never got the creds due to kurt being in the limelight..

[PooPfish]

It really pissed me off when Kurt Cobain was on the greatest guitarist list by Rolling Stone, I could play everything he has done in 8th grade.. Nirvana overall is good, somewhat overrated I guess. I really like the unplugged album..

[Struwwelpeter]

Since the individual members of the band were born.

I fucking hate that faggot, Cobain.

[AtrainV]

Oh jimmy...

[Thought Riot]

I could go on about this for days..

I am a fan of the "seattle" music ...mostly ALICE IN CHAINS..Madseason...Screaming Trees...but HATE HATE HATE HATE NIRVANA/KURT!

FUCK KURT! Seriously..

Reasons:

1. I hate them because they achieved mainsteam success
2. I hate them because they achieved mainsteam success.

3. I hate them because they achieved mainsteam success

4. I hate them because they achieved mainsteam success

5. I hate them because they achieved mainsteam success

6. I hate them because they achieved mainsteam success

7 I hate them because they achieved mainsteam success.

fix.

EDIT: and I agree with you too. But that's no reason to "hate" Nirvana. Dirt is fucking amazing too.

[Wizzle]

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/3/36/Cobainbear.jpg/180px-Cobainbear.jpg

[Lao Tzu]

I enjoy Nirvana.

[illuminatikiller]

nirvananet musta been pretty fuckin sweet

[EssJay]

To me they're like Pantera, the only album by them after I heard more of their stuff than the radio songs is a greatest hits album, everything else just isn't as good as those songs to me. Outside of Nirvana's selftitled greatest hits album I bought a few years back I really think that the only other songs I like are Blew, Dive, Aneurysm, Dumb and Lake of Fire.
So to me they had a handful of quite good tracks, but they also had alot of really bad ones too.

[12Ax7]

I really enjoy Bleach and In Utero, can't speak much for the other albums but yea they don't deserve the widespread hate that they constantly receive.

fucking this, I love insecticide album very much as well the song aneurysm in particular, its on of my bands favorite songs to jam on at our practice/jam sessions. That being said i really don't care for but a few songs off of nevermind. hell kurt didn't even care for the album himself,

don't get me wrong i love nirvana but i am more of a fan of AIC, Soundgarden, The Gits and some of the other lesser known seattle bands

[Giggles The Panda]

Also: Fuck Dave Grohl and everything he's ever done after Nirvana

I really do have to agree.

[Jo Nathen]

To me they're like Pantera, the only album by them after I heard more of their stuff than the radio songs is a greatest hits album, everything else just isn't as good as those songs to me. Outside of Nirvana's selftitled greatest hits album I bought a few years back I really think that the only other songs I like are Blew, Dive, Aneurysm, Dumb and Lake of Fire.
So to me they had a handful of quite good tracks, but they also had alot of really bad ones too.


Thats a good band to compare....Both bands have kicks ass. I also give credit for both bands releasing demos and not caring what people think.

[Candiru]

It's the Backlash. Whenever something becomes hugely popular, it starts to go sour on people when they are overexposed to it and they start resenting it. I agree though, I do enjoy Nevermind.

[alex chilton]

it could be backlash, but i don't recall this ever happening to The Beatles. I think what it really has to do with is generation gaps. People my age, those in college right now, dont really seem to like nirvana. At least that's what i've noticed; very few of my friends listen to nirvana. Yet people older than us, those in their late twenties at least respect the band for what they did. And then you have the pre-teens who think Cobain is God.


But for one reason or another my age group is not into him at all, which is kind of odd because nirvana was initially a college rock band. I guess we're just not as "angsty" as other generations.

[Captian Spectacular]

nirvana sucks. the only thing they did was influence more shitty music. they made mediocre music, had a shitty vocalist, and somehow made it big. i may hate them but good job. they got rich (except cobain, obviously) and pretty much did jack shit. i don't really have anything against anybody who likes them (as long as you're not some dumbass) but really, nirvana sucks.

[P_R_Deltoid]

Seems like so many people on this board dislike the band or at least Kurt Cobain. I can understand the arguments surrounding "they're overrated" or "they overshadowed other, better bands" but really, I can't imagine a band in the 90s that has had more of an influence on rock music (in general) than Nirvana.

That and Nevermind has always been, and will always be a perfect record, in my opinion. Regardless of how you feel about Smells Like Teen Spirit, you have to agree that this is a pretty flawless album as a whole. (Although my favorite has to be Incesticide).

In my opinion, there are so many bands that you could choose to hate on from that time period... why choose Nirvana?


It's too bad no band in the 90s really effected rock. At least, not in a way that matters in the least (They made it cool to be indie, maybe?)

[Waspish]

Props to Nirvana for somehow turning grunge into pop for a while there.

[Dionysus]

I love Nirvana, particularly "In Utero".

How could they not be overrated? The fucking hype they got was extreme, they couldn't live up to that, particularly when Cobain blew his head off.

They are not my favorite band, but they make the top 10. Just because they were embraced by the mainstream doesn’t make them crap. It's like a reverse prejudice.

[AdamSmokesCrack]

I love Nirvana, particularly "In Utero".

How could they not be overrated? The fucking hype they got was extreme, they couldn't live up to that, particularly when Cobain blew his head off.

They are not my favorite band, but they make the top 10. Just because they were embraced by the mainstream doesn’t make them crap. It's like a reverse prejudice.

This.
Nirvana was overrated, but they were certainly good.
I have Bleach, In Utero, and Nevermind, and I like them all start to finish, with the exception of a few songs here and there, but that's the way it is with most bands.
Edit for Lounge Act. Such a good song.

[Satyr]

I don't really hate Nirvana as a band, they have a few decent songs, but I just don't get that massive adoration of Kurt Cobain. He wasn't that great of a guitarist, his lyrics were (imo) rubbish and his voice aint that great. The only reason why they are famous, is because of Cobains suicide, admit it. If he didn't pull the trigger, Nirvana would've been forgotten by now, since there were much better bands in the genre.

Another thing I don't like (or actually, I really hate) about Nirvana, is how you only hear about Cobain. It's his face on t-shirts, buttons, coffeemugs, bedsheets, everything. Fuck that, there's more to a band than the singer. And in the case of Kurt, those other people were more talented than him. But why do you see Cobain? That's right, because he's the one who splattered his brains over a wall.

Then there is of course the brainless hordes of blind Nirvanafans, who will adore Cobain (see the difference? Cobain <-> Nirvana?) to the extreme, regardless of what he has done. I think it's quite ironic. Cobain commited suicide because he couldn't take the life of a superstar. What happened? He became an even bigger superstar. And most of the fans won't see that.

[alex chilton]

It's all about Kurt because it was his band. He wrote 99.9% of the music, he started the band, he had the vision, etc. Dave and Krist were good musicians and they really complemented kurt's music very well, but the sole creative force was kurt. It wasnt like the Beatles where there were multiple band leaders. Although it would've been interesting if kurt had let dave put some input in the badn, they'd probly be even bigger than they are now.

[elf omg]

In time, it becomes cool to hate most popular things.

[Winter]

Is this thread even suggesting people liked those nigger huggers?

Fuck then and there pedo porn habits. They fucking were showing off naked baby dicks on there albums and videos. Thats fucking disgusting. Kurt cocaine was a serial pedo nigger fucker. Fuck him.

[1e-]

It NEVER became cool to hate Nirvana. Every time I think of Kurt I think of the song Californication:

Space may be the final frontier
But it's made in a Hollywood basement
Cobain can you hear the spheres
Singing songs off station to station
And Alderon's not far away
It's Californication

Yeah, time to pull out the good shit. Anyone else think the Unplugged "Where Did You Sleep Last Night" was sheer genius?

[k4aic]

Of course a guy like Cobain, Staley, Elvis, Shannon Hoon, all the guys that were the frontman of a band...when they died it only made them more of an idol, and more famous.

Like 2pac wtf was it like he sold 6 albums alive and 7 after he died...? Dying, whether it be by "accidental" overdoses, or giving a blowjob to a gun...only makes everyone want you and your products more..like sex sells, death sells too...

but really totally OVER RATED..(Cobain I mean)

[Rodrat]

i am cool with nirvana fans and all but personally i have yet to hear one song by them that i like and im not picky

i just really dont like the sound or the lyrics





now to be off topic----------- i fucking hate panic at the disco with a passion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
that is all

[AtrainV]

While it strays from this particular topic a little, here's a blog post I wrote about Nirvana today:

http://atrainv.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/a-vaseline-nirvana/

[Born/Dead]

Is this thread even suggesting people liked those nigger huggers?

Fuck then and there pedo porn habits. They fucking were showing off naked baby dicks on there albums and videos. Thats fucking disgusting. Kurt cocaine was a serial pedo nigger fucker. Fuck him.

You are a fucking idiot.

[constantinople]

Their early work was a little too new wave for my tastes, but when Sports came out in '83, I think they really came into their own, commercial and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost. He's been compared to Elvis Costello, but I think Kurt has a far much more bitter, cynical sense of humour.

In '87, Kurt released this, Nevermind, their most accomplished album. I think their undisputed masterpiece is "Smells Like Teen Spirit", a song so catchy, most people probably don't listen to the lyrics. But they should, because it's not just about the pleasures of conformity, and the importance of trends, it's also a personal statement about the band itself.

Your dates are so fucking screwed. What the fuck are you talking about?

[Iolite]

Anyone that HATES Nirvana, will come up with some bullshit excuse such as they're overrated, they got so much commercial success, they are angst themed, etc. etc. basically all the reasons typed up in this thread.
The bottom line is, they are trying to appear to be enlightened/possessing a higher level of consciousness than all the fuckheads that think nirvana is the greatest band ever.

It's music, the theme doesn't matter, the following doesn't matter, as long as it sounds good, it's good in my opinion.
You can put all the societally conditioned thoughts you want to translate your hatred(of something other than nirvana....I guess It's one way that people release it), but that won't change the fact that it is societally conditioned in most cases.
Just enjoy the music. Think about those four words long and hard, because there's a lot more to 'em than what meets the eye.

[Sleuth]

I don't have anything against Nirvana, I just disliked how they ripped off pixies.

I love the pixies.

[Surprise Buttsecks]

I just hate them because I used to be friends with two people who idol worshiped Kurt Cobain. It got really old, really really fast. And it probably wasn't helped by the fact that they are a really mediocre band.

[Paragon]

...I can't imagine a band in the 90s that has had more of an influence on rock music (in general) than Nirvana.

I could argue that both The Smashing Pumpkins and Radiohead have had a larger influence on today's music, although Nirvana is definitely up there. I understand those Alice in Chains arguments, though, because it makes sense to think that Nirvana was influenced by AiC, so maybe they shouldn't get the credit for their "influence", seeing as it was a direct result of blah blah blah...

Still, I totally agree with you that people shouldn't hate on Nirvana or its band members unless they've actually heard and disliked their music. I'm not a fan, but I've only heard their well-known singles, so I'm not going to jump out to make a judgment on how good they actually are until I've taken the time to listen to some of their albums.

[alex chilton]

Nirvana was in no way influenced by AIC. Quite the opposite actually. AIC started as a metal band, and nirvana is far from metal.


Listen to AICs' Dirt. It came out in 1992, and is a direct result of the success of Nevermind which happened in late 1991. AIC purposely softened their music to fit in with the grunge movement. A great album, but still, its obvious what they were trying to do.

[Paragon]

Nirvana was in no way influenced by AIC. Quite the opposite actually. AIC started as a metal band, and nirvana is far from metal.


Listen to AICs' Dirt. It came out in 1992, and is a direct result of the success of Nevermind which happened in late 1991. AIC purposely softened their music to fit in with the grunge movement. A great album, but still, its obvious what they were trying to do.

Actually, Man in a Box (which definitely has a very "grungy" sound) came out about one year before Smells like Teen Spirit. Before those two songs came out, neither band was really well known. The thing is, Man in the Box's success could have potentially influenced the sound of SLTS, and not vice-versa, so that's what people like to argue when bringing up Nirvana's influence on the industry (personally, I think there's an obvious Alice influence in SLTS, but, at the same time, I've never listened to Nirvana's first album, so I can't amek too much of it). The thing is, every band is influenced by someone who came before. That doesn't mean they're not able to do something original with that influence (I think Nirvana did just that).

[k4aic]

Actually, Man in a Box (which definitely has a very "grungy" sound) came out about one year before Smells like Teen Spirit. Before those two songs came out, neither band was really well known. The thing is, Man in the Box's success could have potentially influenced the sound of SLTS, and not vice-versa, so that's what people like to argue when bringing up Nirvana's influence on the industry (personally, I think there's an obvious Alice influence in SLTS, but, at the same time, I've never listened to Nirvana's first album, so I can't amek too much of it). The thing is, every band is influenced by someone who came before. That doesn't mean they're not able to do something original with that influence (I think Nirvana did just that).

agreed...ALICE was before NIRVANA...they had an album out before Nirvana..why ppl think its the other way around is beyond me.

[The Jitterskull]

Seriously. None of their songs are even ear candy, they're all boring and bland. Maybe its because I listen to too much Freedom Call, which is way more catchier than this band could ever be.

[Struwwelpeter]

Let me add something relevant to this thread. Back in high-school, around 2004 or early 2005, when those Kurt Cobain diaries or whatever and of course the hot topic bags with the Kurt pins on them, painting your fingernails black, cutting a hole in a long sleeved shirt and inserting your thumb through it, the pants with the chains on them etc were coming in to fashion, my friends and I waged war on them.

I hated Kurt Cobain so much, and all of the kids that liked him, that I fucked with any Kurt object I could find. I took one of those Kurt Cobain diaries and drew a Swastika in every page I could during lunch with a spray can. I sprayed the entire front and back covers white and put a big red swastika on the front. I didn't even let it dry for more than a minute and put it in this girls hot topic bag. Anyway my friends were sitting behind her in class, after lunch, when she pulled it out and realized what it was, she looked at it for a few seconds threw it across the room in a fury (it spread it's wings like a bird in flight) and proceeded to grab the person behind me by the hair, the only known anti-nirvana fan, and repeatedly punch him in the face. Well, whatever "revenge" she might have gotten, the teacher was later alerted of some illegal substances found in her bag and she spent the rest of the school year in out of class detention. It's worth noting she was about 5'10" 275ibs.

There was some other shit I did like drawing a picture of Kurt blowing his head off on a huge ass overhead display in the theater before a parent-student-teacher meeting, stealing people's Nirvana cd's and replacing them with burnt cd's of Mary J. Blige, replacing car stereo nirvana cd's with burnt cd's of DMX and Village People and turning the speakers up full blast, etc. I also remember rounding up all of those stolen Nirvana CD's, cutting them in half with one of the paper-cutters and then sandwiching them in between a couple of hamburger buns, and placing them on the table where all of the goths sat at lunch. I always hated that band and wanted to rid it of my high school.

[THIS IS IMPORTANT GODDAMNIT]

I could go on about this for days..

I am a fan of the "seattle" music ...mostly ALICE IN CHAINS..Madseason...Screaming Trees...but HATE HATE HATE HATE NIRVANA/KURT!

FUCK KURT! Seriously..

Reasons:

1. Nirvana DID NOT START "GRUNGE"...I hate that word but for sake of argument I shall call it that.. Ok in seattle you had Mudhoney, Screaming Trees etc...in the mid 80's/late 80's...THEY were more the pioneers than Nirvana.

2. Alice In Chains actually were before Nirvana..but do you hear about them ? NO!
Alice was more deep, dark, and the lyrics and meanings to Alice had way way way more value than anything kurt could use his gravel voice to express.

3. Kurt for some reason had the right people to take what was already going on and making in mainstream/popular/commercial.

4. The things alice in chains/mad season wrote and sung about were far more deep aka about using drugs...shooting up..depression, anger, suicide w/e...Cobain was just about singing whatever the fuck was put in front of him..yea he wrote "polly" about that chick being raped or whatever but really nirvana had no meanings to what they were talking about it was just a guy singing like a gravel pit...wait not singing SCREAMING incoherently..

5. you want to under stand Nirvana look up weird al's parody of smells like teen spirit..

6. LAYNE STALEY OWNS KURT COBAIN
ALICE IN CHAINS OWNS NIRVANA

7 The best thing out of Nirvana was Dave Grohl.


So basically: I'm embittered because kurt got lots of credit for grunge

In my opinion, 99 percent of grunge sucks balls, but nirvana was catchy, simple and pretty fucking awesome, so It's really no wonder that Nirvana was the one that broke into the mainstream while the others stuck to the stages of seattle.

pro tip: GET OVER IT.

Letting this kind of passionate hatred limit your musical taste is fucking stupid.

[YoungSharky0000]

I dislike Nirvana because all of their songs revolve around the same morbid tones, more or less. That, and there's always the fanboy-faggot-following of kids that think Cobain is Jesus. Overall, Nevermind was alright, but SLTS was a horribly repetitive song.

cobain was jesus, douche:mad::mad::mad:
in the same way that we're(anyone who's not a complete fucking retard) our own jesus...

[Toothlessjoe]

I've always liked them, not sure why it's popular to hate them. I think it's propogated by hardcore Seattle grunge fans.

It's pretty fucking stupid. It's just music. If you don't like it, don't waste your time with it.

[Σnigma]

The only reason people liked Nirvana was because they were still trying to recover from the 80's.

[TLV]

I don't get it either. I like Nirvana. Their songs are simple, yet catchy, and I overall think they were a pretty decent band. I do think they are a bit overrated, but certainly not a bad band. A shame Cobain blew his head off... :rolleyes:

I dont see how its any more repetitive then any other song

[/QUOTE]

And while i like AiC much better, Nirvana is still a decent band.

[mafiabro]

People decide to hate popular things to seem edgy or unique, and then their mindless sheep friends usually follow to seem unique too.

[evil_monkey]

I like nirvana

[plorntstar]

it became cool to hate them as soon as they became popular and jealous faggots started shit talking them for attention.

i actually really like their lyrics, because they are strange and make me think of things i normally would not in some songs, in others they seem to be just gibberish. i mostly like their music because although cobain was not a very technically skilled guitar player, he had some bitchin riffs and david grohl is pretty godlike on the drums. they were just a really fucking good hard rock band, tainted by his suicide, courtney loves retarded bitching after he did it and all the fucking lame ass emo faggots that only like nirvana because cobain killed himself.

[harry_hardcore_hoedown]

Round about 1987.

[Space Monkey]

I used to like them a lot, now I only listen to them on occasion.

[Raptor Ribs]

If you don't like nirvana then you are probably a homosexual loser.

[Clayman]

It's cool to hate Nirvana? I just thought it was the logical, intelligent option.

[Raptor Ribs]

I could go on about this for days..

I am a fan of the "seattle" music ...mostly ALICE IN CHAINS..Madseason...Screaming Trees...but HATE HATE HATE HATE NIRVANA/KURT!

FUCK KURT! Seriously..

Reasons:

1. Nirvana DID NOT START "GRUNGE"...I hate that word but for sake of argument I shall call it that.. Ok in seattle you had Mudhoney, Screaming Trees etc...in the mid 80's/late 80's...THEY were more the pioneers than Nirvana.

2. Alice In Chains actually were before Nirvana..but do you hear about them ? NO!
Alice was more deep, dark, and the lyrics and meanings to Alice had way way way more value than anything kurt could use his gravel voice to express.

3. Kurt for some reason had the right people to take what was already going on and making in mainstream/popular/commercial.

4. The things alice in chains/mad season wrote and sung about were far more deep aka about using drugs...shooting up..depression, anger, suicide w/e...Cobain was just about singing whatever the fuck was put in front of him..yea he wrote "polly" about that chick being raped or whatever but really nirvana had no meanings to what they were talking about it was just a guy singing like a gravel pit...wait not singing SCREAMING incoherently..

5. you want to under stand Nirvana look up weird al's parody of smells like teen spirit..

6. LAYNE STALEY OWNS KURT COBAIN
ALICE IN CHAINS OWNS NIRVANA

7 The best thing out of Nirvana was Dave Grohl.

You're fucking retarded. You shouldn't like or dislike a band for any of the reasons you listed.

If the music sounds good to you then you should like it. Simple as that. If you like or dislike music for any other reason you are a fucking poser. :thumbsdown:

I'm not gonna quote everyone in this thread, but most of you seem to dislike the band because you think its overrated by society. Thats a shitty reason not to like something. Who gives a shit what society thinks. Form your own unique opinions you stupid sheep, don't just hate on something because of its current fan base.

[Joshlikespenis]

To me Nirvana did at a certain point of my life open me up to a lot of great music that I really hadn't been exposed to previously. I wasn't around to be a part of the grunge scene but years later Nirvana's music still served as my bridge between pop music and alternative, and they serves the same function for thousands of others.

Some may complain that they lacked technical abilities or weren't deserving of fame or whatever but the way I see it they didn't once sell out for that fame. They made the music that was simple and filled with energy. Their music had the ability to transcend composition or technical skill and become very powerful and memorable pieces that stay with you despite whether Kurt could play or sing. The people and the fans of their music made them famous, something not even they couldve expected...so don't complain about how they hogged the spotlight. They may not have made grunge but they were the only band with the power to bring it to where it was.s I still cant figure out remain endearing and powerful to this day.

I don't believe they're the greatest band ever or even the greatest band of the 90's (Pavement and Neutral Milk Hotel imo) but they managed to make music that is endearing and whether you like it or not significant.

[A$AP Weed Smoker]

i dislike nirvana b/c it reminds me of being a lameass stoned 15 year old.

[Raptor Ribs]

Oh, and you haters should probably listen to some of their not so famous tracks. Smells like teen spirit is good, but I wouldn't even list it on my top 10 favorite nirvana songs.

HwYzzN1AIqw

^That song is killer on acid btw

[Earthbound01]

Nirvana is great.

[Nero]

So, who the fuck even claimed that Nirvana "invented grunge"? Nobody. That is, nobody except a handful of faggot teenagers who think Kurt is God.

Which basically means that your band and your music can be judged by who enjoys it.

As for selling out, Kurt said himself that he didn't understand why he had to believe in all these different causes just because of the genre he played. Seriously, he made good music that sounded a certain way. Why does that mean he has to be an anti-authoritarian anarchist?

That's all it comes down to, really. The Foo Fighters are popular, but nobody accuses them of selling out, because they're not grunge.

[AtrainV]

Grunge never had a political backbone, it was all about aesthetic. You're thinking more of punk-rock (and that debate's been done to death).

[D Toups]

People claim that Nirvana ruined rock and roll, but if you ask me, rock was fucked when hair metal came into play.

[Nero]

Grunge never had a political backbone, it was all about aesthetic. You're thinking more of punk-rock (and that debate's been done to death).

No, grunge did have a very anti-commercial and left wing message. I know what punk is, and I know what grunge is. Being a mod of one of the millions of music forums on the internet does not make you the authority on culture.

[Mr. White]

Nirvana is alright, you people take shit too seriously

[AtrainV]

No, grunge did have a very anti-commercial and left wing message. I know what punk is, and I know what grunge is. Being a mod of one of the millions of music forums on the internet does not make you the authority on culture.

I will not debate that grunge had a social message at points, but it was never a political force like punk was. It was never motivated by politics like punk was. Grunge was always about the sound and the aesthetic. If it was ever fighting against a system, it was always a social or cultural system, and rarely a political one. Grunge, in its essence, is an inward-looking genre, unconcerned with systems and completely revolving around the individual.

All music can have a message, sure, and most musical movements have an audience with a tendency to lean one way or the other. Were most of the people listening to grunge left-wing and anti-commercialist? Sure, I'll give you that. That doesn't mean that the music had a political focus.

You don't need to be "a mod of one of the millions of music forums on the internet" to recognize that.

[Archetype]

Some of their stuff was OK but the majority of it was total shit.

[elf omg]

I never understood why they decided on the name 'Nirvana'.

[Nolte]

Isn't it stupid?

One day, Nirvana will considered "Classic Rock" and it'll be cool to hate rap.

I can't wait...

[harry_hardcore_hoedown]

Isn't it stupid?

One day, Nirvana will considered "Classic Rock" and it'll be cool to hate rap.

I can't wait...

Wait, wait, wait - it's not cool to hate rap now?