Watch meta flood #totse!

[J J The Jet Plane]

And then end with a ban of kinkou, who said "hm" after Meta banned someone just for insulting him. The result was a 5 minute flood of the chat, after which kinkou was finally banned and had her access taken away. The bolded portions are the places where meta's kickspam alone is flooding the channel, not including his witty little comebacks inbetween.

Meta abuses zoklet and the IRC channel constantly

[16:55] <Meta> OAre you hm'ing me?
[16:55] <Kinkou> hm
[16:55] <Meta> Don't hm me bitch
[16:55] <Kinkou> hm
[16:55] <Anirak> is this conversation serious?
[16:55] * whimsi hm's Kinkou
[16:56] * Kinkou was kicked by Meta (That's be a fuck you)
[16:56] <whimsi> Oh no he di'n't!
[16:56] <Meta> And that's that
[16:56] <O_RLY> Oh hell naw!
[16:56] * Kinkou has joined #totse
[16:56] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Kinkou
[16:56] <Meta> Oh fucking yes I did
[16:56] <Anirak> look at meta mark his territory
[16:56] <Kinkou> hmmmmm
[16:56] * Meta sets mode: +b *!~kinkou@cloak-5D2678CC.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net
[16:56] * Kinkou was kicked by Meta (Kick!)
[16:56] <whimsi> aw hell naw!
[16:56] <whimsi> lol
[16:56] * ChanServ sets mode: -b *!~kinkou@cloak-5D2678CC.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net
[16:56] * Kinkou has joined #totse
[16:56] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Kinkou
[16:56] <Kinkou> hmmm motha fucka
[16:56] <Kinkou> HM
[16:56] * Meta sets mode: +b *!~kinkou@cloak-5D2678CC.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net
[16:56] * Kinkou was kicked by Meta (Kick!)
[16:57] * ChanServ sets mode: -b *!~kinkou@cloak-5D2678CC.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net
[16:57] <Anirak> well this is annoying
[16:57] * Kinkou has joined #totse
[16:57] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Kinkou
[16:57] * O_RLY changes topic to 'Today is: Kick Kinkou day!'
[16:57] <Kinkou> hm!
[16:57] * Meta sets mode: +b *!~kinkou@cloak-5D2678CC.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net
[16:57] * Kinkou was kicked by Meta (Kick!)
[16:57] * ChanServ sets mode: -b *!~kinkou@cloak-5D2678CC.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net
[16:57] * Kinkou has joined #totse
[16:57] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Kinkou
[16:57] <Anirak> meta, for fucks sake, do you realize you are spamming the shit out of the chan?
[16:57] * Kinkou hm's
[16:57] * SuperSpeeDz has joined #totse
[16:57] <SuperSpeeDz> :o
[16:57] <Kinkou> someone put meta on a damn leash
[16:57] * Kinkou cries
[16:57] <whimsi> Seriously.
[16:57] * Meta sets mode: +b *!~kinkou@cloak-5D2678CC.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net
[16:57] * Kinkou was kicked by Meta (Kick!)
[16:57] <whimsi> Good lick on that.
[16:58] * ChanServ sets mode: -b *!~kinkou@cloak-5D2678CC.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net
[16:58] <whimsi> lick lol
[16:58] <whimsi> luck.
[16:58] * Kinkou has joined #totse
[16:58] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Kinkou
[16:58] * Kinkou cries in hm's
[16:58] * O_RLY gets one in.
[16:58] * Kinkou was kicked by O_RLY (O_RLY)
[16:58] * Kinkou has joined #totse
[16:58] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Kinkou
[16:58] <O_RLY> lol
[16:58] <O_RLY> =)
[16:58] <HotelKilo47> I love it
[16:58] * Meta sets mode: +b *!~kinkou@cloak-5D2678CC.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net
[16:58] * Kinkou was kicked by Meta (Kick!)
[16:58] <Meta> This time she ain't coming back

...

[17:00] <Meta> I removed her from the access list

[Midnight Sun]

:facepalm::rant:

NOBODY FUCKS WITH MY FUCK BUDDY

[Orinux]

AHAHHAHA :D

[Kinkou]

HMMM!

[PirateJoe]

That's fucking awesome.

[whimsi]

Why is this sort of behavior tolerated of our mods/ops?

Why are Mods/Ops ABOVE the rules instead of enforcing them responsibly?

[poast-bortem!]

:rolleyes:

EDIT: What's the story behind "hm."

[SUP4L337]

wonderful...

[J J The Jet Plane]

Why is this sort of behavior tolerated of our mods/ops?

Why are Mods/Ops ABOVE the rules instead of enforcing them responsibly?

Just before that a guy got banned for insulting him, and I got instantly kicked for posting a link to a funny cat video. His response for kicking me: "just in case."

[whimsi]

Just before that a guy got banned for insulting him, and I got instantly kicked for posting a link to a funny cat video. His response for kicking me: "just in case."

Wait, who are you on #t?

[i poop in your cereal]

Why is this sort of behavior tolerated of our mods/ops?

Why are Mods/Ops ABOVE the rules instead of enforcing them responsibly?

Because most of the mods care more about maintaining their ego's than the quality of the board/irc.

[Angry Blue Bird of Death]

Do we really want a guy that's not mentally stable having that much power.

[J J The Jet Plane]

[17:36] * shush has joined #totse
[17:36] <shush> hm
[17:36] <Anirak> ban him!
[17:36] <Anirak> he said hm!
[17:36] * KingOfAll1 has joined #totse
[17:37] <shush> he said it too!!
[17:37] <Anirak> oh shit!
[17:37] <Anirak> make sure you kick him 10 times before you finally really ban him though
[17:37] <Meta> So?
[17:37] <Anirak> to fill the chat with pointless shit
[17:37] * Meta sets mode: +b *!Anirak@cloak-7E516A01.bu.edu
[17:37] * You were kicked from #totse by Meta (Kick!)

[The Jitterskull]

Ah so this is why people hate him. :facepalm:

[Haiti's Space Agency]

hm.

[J J The Jet Plane]

He sits here and insults the users, and someone says one thing about him and they instantly get banned...

[17:42] <Meta> Anirak, you're the angriest kid here
[17:42] <Meta> Why?
[17:42] * O_RLY sets mode: -b *!*@cloak-8C25C0FE.dyn.optonline.net
[17:42] <Meta> Mommy didn't breast feed you today?
[17:43] <Anirak> because you abuse your power
[17:43] <Anirak> constantly
[17:43] <Meta> Oh waaa
[17:43] <Meta> Give me a break
[17:43] <Octane_8> lack of melatonin tbh
[17:43] <Meta> You show me one room where it doesn't happen
[17:43] <shush> Meta gets breast fed by his daughter
[17:43] <Anirak> fuck you
[17:43] <Kinkou> lol
[17:43] <Meta> And tell me you wouldn't do much the same given the chance
[17:43] <Kinkou> #zok
[17:43] <shush> hm
[17:43] <Anirak> because others do it it makes it okay for you to do it?
[17:43] <Meta> IE: You're jealous
[17:43] <Anirak> and no, I wouldn't
[17:43] <Anirak> you're such a stupid fuck
[17:43] * Meta sets mode: +b *!562ee345@cloak-59BC4827.mibbit.com
[17:43] * shush was kicked by Meta (Kick!)
[17:44] <Meta> Yes, that makes it ok for me to do it
[17:44] <Meta> thanks for asking

[Revvy]

JJ, stop taking this so seriously ffs. All you ever do is complain about mods. I mean it really fucking angers me how much of a little faggot bitch you are. I can picture you being some ugly as fuck yank kid, wearing some Iron Maiden t-shirt, smashing his keyboard and crying over internet drama. Seriously, colombine/suicide bomb.

[Fuck_Meta_8]

Good job on keeping that log. This might get something done about him, I'm tired of being banned for a week, getting unbanned for half a day and having all records of my ban deleted, then getting banned again for a different reason that makes no sense.

In short: Fuck you, meta.

Somebody quote this? He likes to delete all my posts when be bans me.

[slowdown]

That does not look fun. In fact it's highly gay!


What the hell is so bad about "hm" and what is it supposed to mean??

Grow up or get some thicker skin, Meta.

[Fuck_Meta_8]

JJ, stop taking this so seriously ffs. All you ever do is complain about mods. I mean it really fucking angers me how much of a little faggot bitch you are. I can picture you being some ugly as fuck yank kid, wearing some Iron Maiden t-shirt, smashing his keyboard and crying over internet drama. Seriously, colombine/suicide bomb.

At least he's trying to do something about it. Come back when you were banned for quoting a post and don't bitch about it.

[yxnhpbjac]

Grow up or get some thicker skin, Meta.

This.

This is going to be another great thread.

[J J The Jet Plane]

Good job on keeping that log. This might get something done about him, I'm tired of being banned for a week, getting unbanned for half a day and having all records of my ban deleted, then getting banned again for a different reason that makes no sense.

In short: Fuck you, meta.

Somebody quote this? He likes to delete all my posts when be bans me.

JJ, stop taking this so seriously ffs. All you ever do is complain about mods. I mean it really fucking angers me how much of a little faggot bitch you are. I can picture you being some ugly as fuck yank kid, wearing some Iron Maiden t-shirt, smashing his keyboard and crying over internet drama. Seriously, colombine/suicide bomb.

I don't know what to say to you, except for that you have me completely wrong (the image and all). I, and many other people, enjoy posting here and chatting in #totse. Meta harasses us on a regular basis and uses his power to treat us like shit.

[slowdown]

This.

This is going to be another great thread.

Do you know what hm means? And why it's got Meta's panties all up in a bunch?


I can't believe he behaves like that "because all the cool kids are doing it". :confused:

[Fuck_Meta_8]

This.

This is going to be another great thread.

Heh, looking that way. I'm bored, sick, and have nothing better to do. Time to make some pizza and watch this unfold :P

Also, I saved this thread in case meta deletes it.

[Haiti's Space Agency]

Do you know what hm means? And why it's got Meta's panties all up in a bunch?


I can't believe he behaves like that "because all the cool kids are doing it". :confused:

Someone got banned right before the incident and Kinkou said "hm" and Meta saw this as his power being questioned. I guess.

[yxnhpbjac]

Do you know what hm means? And why it's got Meta's panties all up in a bunch?


I can't believe he behaves like that "because all the cool kids are doing it". :confused:

No I don't but Meta will probably be here soon to explain it.

[J J The Jet Plane]

Do you know what hm means? And why it's got Meta's panties all up in a bunch?


I can't believe he behaves like that "because all the cool kids are doing it". :confused:

It meants "hm" as in "hmmm" as in a noise you make with your mouth. It got him uptight because Kinkou disagreed with his ban and he that by her saying "Hm"

[Fuck_Meta_8]

No I don't but Meta will probably be here soon to explain it.

He's viewing this thread...

[poast-bortem!]

He just left #totse after we ran a train over him. IRC has been liberated.

[Midnight Sun]

God damnit Meta

I'm going to shove a handyswitch up your ass and turn off your dick


:rant::rant::rant::rant:

[Fuck_Meta_8]

Unless I'm glitching he's no longer listed as a mod on Zoklet!

[yxnhpbjac]

He's viewing this thread...

His avatar is gone and his name is not bolded so I guess he is not a moderator anymore.

[Midnight Sun]

His avatar is gone and his name is not bolded so I guess he is not a moderator anymore.

have our prayers been answered?

[poast-bortem!]

ZOMG :eek:

THIS CALLS FOR A CELEBRATION. SOMEONE MAKE A PARTY THREAD.

[Haiti's Space Agency]

I guess he decided he would piss off JJ one more time before he retired.

[Fuck_Meta_8]

have our prayers been answered?

Looks that way. He's not listed on any forums, only his specialized title remains.

[J J The Jet Plane]

VICTORY!!!!

I guess he decided he would piss off JJ one more time before he retired.

Well he made me damn happy instead!!!

[-SpectraL]

I can attest that Metaphysicist has always been a stand-up guy, and has gone to bat many times for the underdog, even when he did not have to, and he has put a huge chunk of his personal time into providing you all a platform to enjoy all these years. He is a virtual icon of free speech and community spirit in my eyes, and you will damn well give him the respect that he has fully earned the hard way.

[yxnhpbjac]

ZOMG :eek:

THIS CALLS FOR A CELEBRATION. SOMEONE MAKE A PARTY THREAD.

Done in HB :D:D:D:D

[ILTST9]

Victory is ours!

[The Cheshire Cat]

FYI for all you ignorant people. IRC is not Zoklet. Different Rules completely.

[slowdown]

It meants "hm" as in "hmmm" as in a noise you make with your mouth. It got him uptight because Kinkou disagreed with his ban and he that by her saying "Hm"

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3075/2549510640_46a717dbd3.jpg?v=0

[Bender]

Meta is demodded. Everyone dance now!

[yxnhpbjac]

have our prayers been answered?

Yup.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s165/SpaghettiSawUs/hallelujah-cat-praises-jeebus.jpg

[Haiti's Space Agency]

It meants "hm" as in "hmmm" as in a noise you make with your mouth. It got him uptight because Kinkou disagreed with his ban and he that by her saying "Hm"

I explained it better.

[slowdown]

I explained it better.

And, together you both can conquer the world.

[Virus]

I can attest that Metaphysicist has always been a stand-up guy, and has gone to bat many times for the underdog, even when he did not have to, and he has put a huge chunk of his personal time into providing you all a platform to enjoy all these years. He is a virtual icon of free speech and community spirit in my eyes, and you will damn well give him the respect that he has fully earned the hard way.

Trolling is only good when it is funny.

[J J The Jet Plane]

Trolling is only good when it is funny.

:facepalm: and I thought he was serious... I'm glad I didn't take the time to yell at him, or I would have looked bad

[Yggdrasil]

He is serious, you oafs

[H a r o l d]

He banned me earlier today because I had pinged out and reconnected my ghost nick was still online and he doesn't tolerate people being there "twice" lol

wires and meta both left #totse shortly after what happened there
good RIDDANCE

[slowdown]

hm.

[Fuck_Meta_8]

He banned me earlier today because I had pinged out and reconnected my ghost nick was still online and he doesn't tolerate people being there "twice" lol

wires and meta both left #totse shortly after what happened there
good RIDDANCE

That's stupid. Isn't there a command to fix that anyways?

[-SpectraL]

Trolling is only good when it is funny.You know absolutely nothing about this or him, bitch-fuck, so just go right ahead and shut your dumb, stupid hole. Great advice for you here on this.

[Fuck_Meta_8]

You know absolutely nothing about this or him, bitch-fuck, so just go right ahead and shut your dumb, stupid hole. Great advice for you here on this.

You used to hate Meta back on totse. Towards the end of totse and on zoklet that changed.


Why?

[cosmo]

The poor man has no life.

[P_R_Deltoid]

I don't know what to say to you, except for that you have me completely wrong (the image and all). I, and many other people, enjoy posting here and chatting in #totse. Meta harasses us on a regular basis and uses his power to treat us like shit.

Doesn't harass me, and the anger toward Kinkou is understandable (Don't get me wrong, I like her) but someone who has dedicated a lot of time to Totse to get where he was, might have some disagreements with someone who is given the position due to relationships (Again, don't get me wrong, I do like you, Kinkou)

I still don't understand why Wires left/was demodded. Can someone explain that? I thought she had everyone on her side.


Another small point, what other mods besides Meta actually go on IRC? Zb3 will get the people who abuse the channel with name lists, but who else is around to do anything about people spamming? Most of the ops are afk or not even logged on most of the time.

[Slave of the Beast]

I still don't understand why Wires left/was demodded. Can someone explain that? I thought she had everyone on her side.

Well, she absolutely agreed with me when I said Kinkou should never be allowed back on to the mod team.

Then Kinkou was remodded...

[-SpectraL]

Well, she absolutely agreed with me when I said Kinkou should never be allowed back on to the mod team.

Then Kinkou was remodded...Hard to believe zok would sacrifice almost his entire dedicated mod team, and the legacy attached, to a single person.

[-*.inc]

ARU!! ARU!!

[THIS IS IMPORTANT GODDAMNIT]

FYI for all you ignorant people. IRC is not Zoklet. Different Rules completely.

Exactly you fucking idiots, every time you make one of these stupid threads meta comes in here and tells you this, yet, you somehow remain oblivious to it.

[Slave of the Beast]

FYI for all you ignorant people. IRC is not Zoklet. Different Rules completely.

We removed meta for his unprofessional actions on IRC...

You might want to get Zok to clarify a few things on that matter. :eek:

[J J The Jet Plane]

Exactly you fucking idiots, every time you make one of these stupid threads meta comes in here and tells you this, yet, you somehow remain oblivious to it.

And yet, Zok seems to disagree you stupid fuck. Perhaps you should actually keep up with what's going on or shut your mouth.

[skyclaw441]

Let's get oneiros next. He's a REAL prick.

[poast-bortem!]

Wires was reinstated, I believe. Check the "News," section for details. :)

EDIT: How is someone going to say that the #totse channel and this website are unrelated. A majority of people from here are there, and vice versa. The things have happen here carry on there, and vice versa.

To deny any connection is retarded.

[Mankonaut X]

Hard to believe zok would sacrifice almost his entire dedicated mod team, and the legacy attached, to a single person.

Poontang ;)

[whimsi]

By the way guys, wires was demodded. she didn't LEAVE. She got her modship back for unknown reasons or "errors"

But don't go blaming her 'leaving' on kinkou being remodded.

They remodded wires and demodded kinkou, or has that escaped your notice?

Zok is cleaning house. If you ask me, she should have stayed demodded. She causes more drama than she's worth.

[Kinkou]

holy SHIT

[whimsi]

holy SHIT

Yeah. That's about the sum of it.

That's pretty much a disappointment.

[J J The Jet Plane]

Meta is currently viewing this thread.

Hey Meta, remember that time when you said you could abuse your powers all you wanted, and you did it because it amused you? Yeah, go fuck yourself, little bitch.

[Euda]

It seems that an ounce of decency doesn't go half as far as an ounce of anything else. :facepalm:

[whimsi]

It seems that an ounce of decency doesn't go half as far as an ounce of anything else.

Decency in regards to what?

I don't think there's anything wrong with people being happy that a pebble in their shoe is gone now... I think some are going a little crazy with it, true... but *shrug...

[Dfg]

Full log.

Feb 17 02:26:32 * zb3 sets ban on rooster!~blah@cloak-8C8E467F.kanagawa.ocn.ne.jp
Feb 17 02:26:32 <-- zb3 has kicked rooster from #totse (Idle for 0 day(s) 12:02:07)
Feb 17 02:26:42 * zb3 removes ban on rooster!~blah@cloak-8C8E467F.kanagawa.ocn.ne.jp
Feb 17 02:28:02 --> haroldd (~LHC@8FF9E49F.A5C8182F.3602A1B.IP) has joined #totse
Feb 17 02:29:09 <-- Meta has kicked harold from #totse (Kick!)
Feb 17 02:29:11 <-- Meta has kicked haroldd from #totse (Kick!)
Feb 17 02:29:13 --> haroldd (~LHC@8FF9E49F.A5C8182F.3602A1B.IP) has joined #totse
Feb 17 02:29:17 * Meta sets ban on *!~LHC@8FF9E49F.A5C8182F.3602A1B.IP
Feb 17 02:29:17 <-- Meta has kicked haroldd from #totse (Kick!)
Feb 17 02:29:34 * Meta removes ban on *!~LHC@8FF9E49F.A5C8182F.3602A1B.IP
Feb 17 02:32:18 --> harold (~LHC@8FF9E49F.A5C8182F.3602A1B.IP) has joined #totse
Feb 17 02:32:33 <Xavier> lol
Feb 17 02:33:21 * Meta sets ban on *!~LHC@8FF9E49F.A5C8182F.3602A1B.IP
Feb 17 02:33:21 <-- Meta has kicked harold from #totse (Kick!)
Feb 17 02:33:36 <Meta> And I just don't see that changing
Feb 17 02:33:49 <Meta> I see GS and BC getting bigger and the other starving for good posters
Feb 17 02:35:26 <SUP4L337> oh hai meta
Feb 17 02:35:57 <Meta> Hey
Feb 17 02:37:39 * Meta removes ban on *!~LHC@8FF9E49F.A5C8182F.3602A1B.IP
Feb 17 02:37:52 --> harold (~LHC@8FF9E49F.A5C8182F.3602A1B.IP) has joined #totse
Feb 17 02:38:30 <-- Chichi has quit (Ping timeout)
Feb 17 02:39:36 --> Levo75 (~xxx@cloak-4C550D70.ip.telfort.nl) has joined #totse
Feb 17 02:40:45 --> Kinkou (~kinkou@cloak-5D2678CC.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #totse
Feb 17 02:40:46 * ChanServ gives voice to Kinkou
Feb 17 02:41:12 --> mib_6i4xia (4c67f93c@cloak-59BC4827.mibbit.com) has joined #totse
Feb 17 02:41:33 <mib_6i4xia> Wires!
Feb 17 02:41:36 <mib_6i4xia> Why'd you ban me?
Feb 17 02:42:11 <Kinkou> who are you?
Feb 17 02:42:21 <mib_6i4xia> Monso =(
Feb 17 02:42:25 --> JimboJames (~chatzilla@cloak-201C6DE.bchsia.telus.net) has joined #totse
Feb 17 02:43:03 <wires> ?
Feb 17 02:43:43 <wires> I haven't done much of that at all
Feb 17 02:43:49 <mib_6i4xia> *shrug* I dunno. I've probably only made a single post ouutside HB, so I assumed it was you.
Feb 17 02:43:50 <wires> where and when and what and ?!?!
Feb 17 02:44:00 <wires> no
Feb 17 02:44:05 <wires> I've been using warnings
Feb 17 02:44:14 <wires> I haven't banned anyone yet
Feb 17 02:44:26 <mib_6i4xia> "You have been banned due to infractions."
Feb 17 02:44:31 --> lUser962 (~4ab17503@cloak-2657FEDE.totse.com) has joined #totse
Feb 17 02:44:31 <-- lUser962 has quit (Quit: lUser962)
Feb 17 02:44:33 <mib_6i4xia> I didn't get an e-mail or anything.
Feb 17 02:44:44 <wires> I'll check
Feb 17 02:44:47 <Meta> Wires, the idiots at zoklet don't know the difference between a ban a warning and an infraction
Feb 17 02:44:53 <wires> but don't use another account okay
Feb 17 02:45:02 <wires> cos that gets you in worse troubke
Feb 17 02:45:15 <wires> I shall look up your ban and see what happened
Feb 17 02:45:26 <mib_6i4xia> Meta, I;m sorry I'm not a cripple. otherwiswe, I'd spend enough time at zoklet to know all the vocabulary
Feb 17 02:45:53 <wires> Oh
Feb 17 02:46:21 <wires> your second account got banned not only for being a second account but for posting CP, and keyloggers
Feb 17 02:46:25 * Meta sets ban on *!4c67f93c@cloak-59BC4827.mibbit.com
Feb 17 02:46:25 <-- Meta has kicked mib_6i4xia from #totse (Kick!)
Feb 17 02:46:42 <-- John_AFK has quit (Ping timeout)
Feb 17 02:47:15 <ipiyc> lol
Feb 17 02:47:16 <ipiyc> hahhahaha
Feb 17 02:47:17 <Kinkou> hm
Feb 17 02:47:25 <Octane_8> I want to swear at that faggot
Feb 17 02:47:26 --> John_Galt (~Brad@cloak-88F9AC44.midco.net) has joined #totse
Feb 17 02:47:35 <Meta> OAre you hm'ing me?
Feb 17 02:47:51 <Kinkou> hm
Feb 17 02:48:01 <Meta> Don't hm me bitch
Feb 17 02:48:04 <Kinkou> hm
Feb 17 02:48:18 <Anirak> is this conversation serious?
Feb 17 02:48:24 * whimsi hm's Kinkou
Feb 17 02:48:28 <-- Meta has kicked Kinkou from #totse (That's be a fuck you)
Feb 17 02:48:45 <whimsi> Oh no he di'n't!
Feb 17 02:48:48 <Meta> And that's that
Feb 17 02:48:52 <O_RLY> Oh hell naw!
Feb 17 02:48:52 --> Kinkou (~kinkou@cloak-5D2678CC.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #totse
Feb 17 02:48:52 * ChanServ gives voice to Kinkou
Feb 17 02:48:55 <Meta> Oh fucking yes I did
Feb 17 02:48:55 <Anirak> look at meta mark his territory
Feb 17 02:48:57 <Kinkou> hmmmmm
Feb 17 02:49:02 * Meta sets ban on *!~kinkou@cloak-5D2678CC.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net
Feb 17 02:49:02 <-- Meta has kicked Kinkou from #totse (Kick!)
Feb 17 02:49:03 <whimsi> aw hell naw!
Feb 17 02:49:04 <whimsi> lol
Feb 17 02:49:10 * ChanServ removes ban on *!~kinkou@cloak-5D2678CC.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net
Feb 17 02:49:12 --> Kinkou (~kinkou@cloak-5D2678CC.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #totse
Feb 17 02:49:12 * ChanServ gives voice to Kinkou
Feb 17 02:49:16 <Kinkou> hmmm motha fucka
Feb 17 02:49:19 <Kinkou> HM
Feb 17 02:49:20 * Meta sets ban on *!~kinkou@cloak-5D2678CC.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net
Feb 17 02:49:20 <-- Meta has kicked Kinkou from #totse (Kick!)
Feb 17 02:49:28 * ChanServ removes ban on *!~kinkou@cloak-5D2678CC.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net
Feb 17 02:49:28 <Anirak> well this is annoying
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Feb 17 02:49:30 * ChanServ gives voice to Kinkou
Feb 17 02:49:33 * O_RLY has changed the topic to: Today is: Kick Kinkou day!
Feb 17 02:49:34 <Kinkou> hm!
Feb 17 02:49:36 * Meta sets ban on *!~kinkou@cloak-5D2678CC.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net
Feb 17 02:49:36 <-- Meta has kicked Kinkou from #totse (Kick!)
Feb 17 02:49:42 * ChanServ removes ban on *!~kinkou@cloak-5D2678CC.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net
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Feb 17 02:49:44 * ChanServ gives voice to Kinkou
Feb 17 02:49:49 <Anirak> meta, for fucks sake, do you realize you are spamming the shit out of the chan?
Feb 17 02:49:50 * Kinkou hm's
Feb 17 02:49:53 --> SuperSpeeDz (superspeed@cloak-B653A3E7.home.cgocable.net) has joined #totse
Feb 17 02:49:58 <SuperSpeeDz> :o
Feb 17 02:50:07 <Kinkou> someone put meta on a damn leash
Feb 17 02:50:12 * Kinkou cries
Feb 17 02:50:15 <whimsi> Seriously.
Feb 17 02:50:22 * Meta sets ban on *!~kinkou@cloak-5D2678CC.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net
Feb 17 02:50:22 <-- Meta has kicked Kinkou from #totse (Kick!)
Feb 17 02:50:24 <whimsi> Good lick on that.
Feb 17 02:50:28 * ChanServ removes ban on *!~kinkou@cloak-5D2678CC.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net
Feb 17 02:50:28 <whimsi> lick lol
Feb 17 02:50:28 <whimsi> luck.
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Feb 17 02:50:30 * ChanServ gives voice to Kinkou
Feb 17 02:50:35 * Kinkou cries in hm's
Feb 17 02:50:37 * O_RLY gets one in.
Feb 17 02:50:40 <-- O_RLY has kicked Kinkou from #totse (O_RLY)
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Feb 17 02:50:43 * ChanServ gives voice to Kinkou
Feb 17 02:50:45 <O_RLY> lol
Feb 17 02:50:47 <O_RLY> =)
Feb 17 02:50:49 <HotelKilo47> I love it
Feb 17 02:50:49 * Meta sets ban on *!~kinkou@cloak-5D2678CC.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net
Feb 17 02:50:49 <-- Meta has kicked Kinkou from #totse (Kick!)
Feb 17 02:50:56 <Meta> This time she ain't coming back
Feb 17 02:51:02 * Dfg tries to clam Meta down, dude take it easy
Feb 17 02:51:12 <O_RLY> Fucking lol....
Feb 17 02:51:16 <ipiyc> ...
Feb 17 02:51:36 <Octane_8> that other faggot needed it
Feb 17 02:51:46 <SuperSpeeDz> so on another note
Feb 17 02:51:48 <SuperSpeeDz> how is everybody?
Feb 17 02:51:54 <Anirak> are we done with the fucking kickspams?
Feb 17 02:51:57 <Dfg> SuperSpeeDz, fine i guess
Feb 17 02:52:17 <Dfg> but this was pretty lol
Feb 17 02:52:54 <Meta> Yes
Feb 17 02:53:00 <Meta> I removed her from the access list
Feb 17 02:53:05 <Meta> She won't be back for a bit
Feb 17 02:53:24 <Dfg> Meta, i will talk to her if you like
Feb 17 02:53:27 <Anirak> when are you gonna unban her?
Feb 17 02:54:18 <-- thanatron has quit (Ping timeout)
Feb 17 02:54:29 <Dfg> Anirak, hopefully pretty soon
Feb 17 02:54:33 <whimsi> That's just sad.
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Feb 17 02:54:49 <Dfg> whimsi, don't worry just hang tight
Feb 17 02:54:57 --> d|cYpe (none@79872565.26458C94.4406818B.IP) has joined #totse
Feb 17 02:55:02 <whimsi> Oh, I'm not worried.
Feb 17 02:55:06 * O_RLY doesn't dare remove that ban....
Feb 17 02:55:23 <Dfg> whimsi, i was for a bit but this who thing was pretty unexpected and weird
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Feb 17 02:55:32 <SuperSpeeDz> so whats going on?
Feb 17 02:55:33 <SuperSpeeDz> anyways
Feb 17 02:55:42 <Dfg> SuperSpeeDz, nothing
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Feb 17 02:56:09 <Orenabah> LOL HAI THUR META
Feb 17 02:56:10 <Dfg> Orenabah, hold your horses if know what i mean..
Feb 17 02:56:18 <Orenabah> lmfao
Feb 17 02:56:35 <Dfg> you get kick/ban in no time
Feb 17 02:56:45 <SuperSpeeDz> so why is kinkou being kicked?
Feb 17 02:56:52 <ipiyc> because she said "hm"
Feb 17 02:57:01 <Orenabah> Meta
Feb 17 02:57:07 <Dfg> SuperSpeeDz, well she was in the line of fire
Feb 17 02:57:21 <whimsi> Because Meta doesn't like to think that she might be telling him that he's acting out of control by kicking or banning someone in HIS channel.
Feb 17 02:57:23 <Orenabah> is meta's penis paralyzed too?
Feb 17 02:57:25 <Dfg> and she had some pretty bad timings
Feb 17 02:57:40 <whimsi> That's probably about it.
Feb 17 02:57:41 <SuperSpeeDz> :o
Feb 17 02:57:45 * zok removes ban on *!~kinkou@cloak-5D2678CC.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net
Feb 17 02:57:53 <Dfg> Our hero
Feb 17 02:57:55 <Dfg> ?
Feb 17 02:57:56 <Orenabah> ohshit
Feb 17 02:57:59 <Orenabah> ZOK VS META
Feb 17 02:58:04 <Orenabah> CAGE MATCH
Feb 17 02:58:11 <Dfg> no it's not like that


Unedited log.

[Euda]

Yeah, that was pretty indecent.

[The English Gentleman]

Seems to me those paralysis jokes were well out of order, however kicking said people who made jokes was well out of order and kicking Kinkou was the third out of order thing Meta did, though if I was Kinkou I would grope my titties and I would have backed Meta up and condemned the chauvanists, though obviously Meta had already taken the extreme action of banning them before such actions could take place.

[Kinkou]

hahaha

its even funnier now, reading that log
i'm glad i got a good laugh in tonight

[harry_hardcore_hoedown]

Meta is a stupid fuck and will probably try (unsuccessfully) to hang himself now.

[Kinkou]

enter should make this a comic

[Sydney-Floyd]

^ a real piece of history, hey.
I'm not real sure if this is a good thing or not.
I mean, I respected Meta, but after reading this thread and seeing how he abused his power and couldn't hold his temper... I dunno.

[Snoopy]

Future signature for more than one Zoklet member tomorrow.... :D

lulz, DaReal DaGuru? zomg no wai!

[Helladamnleet]

Hmm. Wish I could have been there lol

[yxnhpbjac]

Let's get oneiros next. He's a REAL prick.

oreos

http://llnw.image.cbslocal.com/29/2008/03/22/320x240/Oreos_1.jpg

[blaze]

Helladamnleet - you suck
Snoopy - Bad cartoon, bad name. FAG
Mcrjtn - Whats your name mean
Sydney-Floyd - Australia fucking sucks, Pink floyd sucks.
Kinkou - Is your name some kinda wanna be hentai shit? Or did you steal it from Fedex Kinkos
harry_hardcore_hoedown - I'm down for a hoedown!
Euda - Fag
Dfg - Fag
DaGuru - He's obviously the guru
Whimsi - Fag
poast-bortem! - Die
J J The Jet Plane - Hope your plane runs out of fuel.
alexander224 - fag who licks dogs asses
Virus - i got nothing bad to say about this guy he might give me a virus
Pandoras Assassin - he might assassinate me
H a r o l d - K u m a r
ILTST9 - IHTST9
-SpectraL - sucks

[yxnhpbjac]

^I want to be on a list.

[The Methematician]

I can attest that Metaphysicist has always been a stand-up guy, and has gone to bat many times for the underdog, even when he did not have to, and he has put a huge chunk of his personal time into providing you all a platform to enjoy all these years. He is a virtual icon of free speech and community spirit in my eyes, and you will damn well give him the respect that he has fully earned the hard way.

Wow....just wow. A good cock-sucker sucks cock to the very last.

[J J The Jet Plane]

Wow....just wow. A good cock-sucker sucks cock to the very last.

For once I agree with you.

[darkus]

Fucking hilarious soap opera bullshit right here. This is why I stayed away from SG on totse. This should seriously be on a daytime soap opera.

[Really Awesome Nickname]

Why is this sort of behavior tolerated of our mods/ops?

Why are Mods/Ops ABOVE the rules instead of enforcing them responsibly?

Well, thats Meta. He is a hysterical piece of shit. A failure of nature who by some damn failure of logic (like it always happens. Logic can lick my ass) was trusted the power of not only moderation, but SUPER moderation.

Zok fucked it up when he gave modship to his friends. Yeah, thats what actually happened. These guys knew each other for quite a while already, probably from when they moded totse (if they dont actually know each other in person), and that is why all former totse moderators were made mods here too as soon as they arrived; biggest mistake ever made.

That is the reason why democracies among fools always fail (Venezuela, Cuba and Irak, for instance). People will vote for their friends and not for the ones that are actually apt for the job.

Then, once in the power, those people, lacking the necessary education, having been always dishonest and hence being dishonest and seeing only for what benefits their person, instead that settling and benefiting others, take the power in their hands and keep it in their hands, then they call in their friends into the power to back them up and then oppress the people who voted for them, keep them stupid and get rid of anyone who has the balls to complain and to try demonstrate the truth. If I am to give examples, Fidel Castro (Cuba), Hugo Chaves (Venezuela), Stalin (Russia), Saddam Hussein (Irak) and Metaphycist, Deus and Expl0its (here).

Although I have never had any problems with the last two, I know some have. Kinkou, for instance.

If I am to say anymore, of the Totse mods only Fish, Oddballz, Virus and Mandy (MandatorySuicide) were people to be proud of. Only them do a good job, are respectful and actually APT for modding. All the rest should have stayed as regulars and new mods should have been named from other people.

I am surprised that Oddballz was demodded. Then I saw the story, that he got tired of all the shit of the other mods, mainly Meta again and decided to quit and leave this place forever. Good Job, Meta, scaring away the best supermod there ever was. Thanks a lot, asshole.

Also, I just saw Kinkou was demodded again. WTF. Give her modship back, damnit. She is a very nice person and a responsible mod, even if she is "too light" for your standards Deus and Zok. Also, she is your girl Zok, would you break up with her just because you had to break your friendship with Meta? Meta is an ass. Forget about him.

Sorry about this. I like you Zok, you are a cool person, but it is the truth.

[Kinkou]

thank you :)

zok & i are not breaking up, by the way :p

[Really Awesome Nickname]

thank you :)

zok & i are not breaking up, by the way :p

I know you aren't. It is only a hyperbolic example.

[skyclaw441]

Helladamnleet - you suck
Snoopy - Bad cartoon, bad name. FAG
Mcrjtn - Whats your name mean
Sydney-Floyd - Australia fucking sucks, Pink floyd sucks.
Kinkou - Is your name some kinda wanna be hentai shit? Or did you steal it from Fedex Kinkos
harry_hardcore_hoedown - I'm down for a hoedown!
Euda - Fag
Dfg - Fag
DaGuru - He's obviously the guru
Whimsi - Fag
poast-bortem! - Die
J J The Jet Plane - Hope your plane runs out of fuel.
alexander224 - fag who licks dogs asses
Virus - i got nothing bad to say about this guy he might give me a virus
Pandoras Assassin - he might assassinate me
H a r o l d - K u m a r
ILTST9 - IHTST9
-SpectraL - sucks

Glad I stayed off this list. Too bad the servers are full or some stupid shit.

[Fuck_Meta_8]

Helladamnleet - you suck
Snoopy - Bad cartoon, bad name. FAG
Mcrjtn - Whats your name mean
Sydney-Floyd - Australia fucking sucks, Pink floyd sucks.
Kinkou - Is your name some kinda wanna be hentai shit? Or did you steal it from Fedex Kinkos
harry_hardcore_hoedown - I'm down for a hoedown!
Euda - Fag
Dfg - Fag
DaGuru - He's obviously the guru
Whimsi - Fag
poast-bortem! - Die
J J The Jet Plane - Hope your plane runs out of fuel.
alexander224 - fag who licks dogs asses
Virus - i got nothing bad to say about this guy he might give me a virus
Pandoras Assassin - he might assassinate me
H a r o l d - K u m a r
ILTST9 - IHTST9
-SpectraL - sucks

Do we....really care what you think?

Meta's gone, shit can get back to normal now :D

Hopefully Kinkou will get re-modded, she seems to be a sweet girl.

This place is turning out nicely.

[Kinkou]

thank you :)

[whimsi]

Helladamnleet - you suck
Snoopy - Bad cartoon, bad name. FAG
Mcrjtn - Whats your name mean
Sydney-Floyd - Australia fucking sucks, Pink floyd sucks.
Kinkou - Is your name some kinda wanna be hentai shit? Or did you steal it from Fedex Kinkos
harry_hardcore_hoedown - I'm down for a hoedown!
Euda - Fag
Dfg - Fag
DaGuru - He's obviously the guru
Whimsi - Fag
poast-bortem! - Die
J J The Jet Plane - Hope your plane runs out of fuel.
alexander224 - fag who licks dogs asses
Virus - i got nothing bad to say about this guy he might give me a virus
Pandoras Assassin - he might assassinate me
H a r o l d - K u m a r
ILTST9 - IHTST9
-SpectraL - sucks

Seriously man? Seriously?

[yxnhpbjac]

thank you :)

The only thing left to do now is for us to complain until you are re-modded.

[THIS IS IMPORTANT GODDAMNIT]

Helladamnleet - you suck
Snoopy - Bad cartoon, bad name. FAG
Mcrjtn - Whats your name mean
Sydney-Floyd - Australia fucking sucks, Pink floyd sucks.
Kinkou - Is your name some kinda wanna be hentai shit? Or did you steal it from Fedex Kinkos
harry_hardcore_hoedown - I'm down for a hoedown!
Euda - Fag
Dfg - Fag
DaGuru - He's obviously the guru
Whimsi - Fag
poast-bortem! - Die
J J The Jet Plane - Hope your plane runs out of fuel.
alexander224 - fag who licks dogs asses
Virus - i got nothing bad to say about this guy he might give me a virus
Pandoras Assassin - he might assassinate me
H a r o l d - K u m a r
ILTST9 - IHTST9
-SpectraL - sucks


You got one thing wrong, Daguru is a fucking idiot aswell.

[J J The Jet Plane]

The only thing left to do now is for us to complain until you are re-modded.

Sounds good to me. :)

[jackketch]

Sounds good to me. :)

Thing is, 1. you're a HBtard and your support for anyone is pretty much the Kiss Of Death.

2.Kinkou has now proven she doesn't have what it takes to be a mod and has succeeded in alienating most of the mods who were willing to give her a chance. A lot of mods kept quiet this time because they trusted zok's judgment (when he remodded her) despite the evidence to the contrary. I don't know if they'd keep quiet again. Kinkou cost zok a hella lot of personal creditability on his own fucking forum.

[Kinkou]

that is not necessarily true

[Crashwangdoodle]

Hm.... Well i think you guys should be disappointed with yourselves, being happy due to someone else's misfortune... nah screw it. it was meta after all :D

[whimsi]

I am still not seeing what Kinkou has done to prove that she's a bad mod beyond her repeated response to people giving her and zok shit about her being modded in the first place.

I must be missing a big piece because I see a lot of people throwing a fit because she's modded and then her making a hullabaloo as a response. I don't see her CAUSING problems, only responding to them.

And obviously being a part of drama doesn't mean an automatic demod around here, or we'd be running pretty thin. Hell, there's a mod who is the object of insane amounts of drama, and remains modded.

What has Kinkou done that is so terrible? And please don't throw me another "bros before hos" type response claiming that Kinkou is breaking up the old totse crew... we all know that it's been breaking down for awhile and that the recent demoddings were a result of a looooooong running problem.

[Mankonaut X]

I am still not seeing what Kinkou has done to prove that she's a bad mod beyond her repeated response to people giving her and zok shit about her being modded in the first place.

I must be missing a big piece because I see a lot of people throwing a fit because she's modded and then her making a hullabaloo as a response. I don't see her CAUSING problems, only responding to them.

And obviously being a part of drama doesn't mean an automatic demod around here, or we'd be running pretty thin. Hell, there's a mod who is the object of insane amounts of drama, and remains modded.

What has Kinkou done that is so terrible? And please don't throw me another "bros before hos" type response claiming that Kinkou is breaking up the old totse crew... we all know that it's been breaking down for awhile and that the recent demoddings were a result of a looooooong running problem.

Bros before hos, baby.

[Kinkou]

i was a great mod here. i don't know what jackketch is trying to say. i did get caught up in a lot of the drama because a few mods took it personally that zok gave me the opportunity to work with them, but i RARELY went LOOKING for a flat out dramatic fight
and just to clarify, disagreement is NOT a fight... i never got verbally violent with anyone or lost my cool. i feel i've gotten the short end of the stick here, but honestly i don't even care anymore. there are plenty of people here who realize what really happened, and i think in time that is enough for this shit to sort itself out on its own. i have done nothing but be honest, fair and friendly with everyone

other than this reply being a waste of time, i wont be asking zok to remod me, if you're fucking worried or something. that's bullshit. zok knows i am not afraid to say what i feel, i'm SURE he knew that when he put me on the team, and yeah its gotten me into trouble, but only because no one is used to the MUCH NEEDED criticism. yeah, its not my job to tell anyone how to do their job, but a little constructive criticism shouldn't get you all bent out of shape just because you have to listen for a moment instead of banning them, or what ever

[Euda]

I think people know what happened to the last person who did that. :p

[Kinkou]

I think people know what happened to the last person who did that. :p

i will be stopped at NOTHING!!!!!! :cool:

i'm sorry euda

[jackketch]

i was a great mod here.

There's the problem, right there.

[whimsi]

Yeah... a little funny that kinkou has been demodded for pointing out the very behavior in mods that helped Meta earn a demodding.

I can see why no one wants Kinkou playing "big brother" or lording over them, if they felt that was what she was doing.

But I can tell you, whatever her faults, she has always had zok's interests at heart in her actions here. Sure, she lets her emotions cause her to rise to comment whenever anyone's ripping on her or zok... but wires still being around tells us that that behavior is more than OK.

Realistically, Kinkou has done nothing that any other Mod hasn't done. And certainly hasn't told any mods anything they didn't need to hear. She is more easily demodded because Zok knows she won't cause a fuss and go storming out the door. Because she's his girlfriend, he knows she will take it as calmly and quietly as she can manage. Also, she was more recently modded, so easier to demod.

[Kinkou]

There's the problem, right there.

interesting you'd say that. you've never mentioned it before, and i still feel its not true

if you'd like to prove me wrong i would LOVE to hear it. i did my job well and fairly and i made it easy for people to understand what was going on when i was moderating

is that the problem? :facepalm:

[Kinkou]

& thank you whimsi for everything :)

[Kinkou]

nothing's been said because it hasn't happened.... i was doing the job very well

:rolleyes:

[Mankonaut X]

nothing's been said because it hasn't happened.... i was doing the job very well

:rolleyes:

Nigga please. I don't know how anyone has the energy to post in any of these threads anymore.

[whimsi]

Yeah, I have asked several times for someone to explain to be why Kinkou is a monster. And all I hear is "If you don't know, I won't tell you" and that it's some secret happenings from M&A/mod channel... I don't buy it.

I think some people were in this to cause drama from the beginning. I think Meta and the other oldtyme mods were offended that Kinkou was telling them to stop acting like asstards and start actually modding in the way zok hopes they would... and they all wanted to throw their weight around and get her demodded and now a handful are all butthurt that Kinkou is still around. Demodded, sure... but obviously modding means less to her than the other butthurt ex-mods and mods.

Unless, of course, there IS this scrap of evidence that turns the tables and allows me to understand the reason why everyone is so up in arms over Kinkou...

[jackketch]

interesting you'd say that. you've never mentioned it before, and i still feel its not true

if you'd like to prove me wrong i would LOVE to hear it. i did my job well and fairly and i made it easy for people to understand what was going on when i was moderating

is that the problem? :facepalm:

There have been very few universally acknowledged 'great' mods on totse. None of them would have ever described themselves thus.

[cronic5]

i was a great mod here. i don't know what jackketch is trying to say. i did get caught up in a lot of the drama because a few mods took it personally that zok gave me the opportunity to work with them, but i RARELY went LOOKING for a flat out dramatic fight
and just to clarify, disagreement is NOT a fight... i never got verbally violent with anyone or lost my cool. i feel i've gotten the short end of the stick here, but honestly i don't even care anymore. there are plenty of people here who realize what really happened, and i think in time that is enough for this shit to sort itself out on its own. i have done nothing but be honest, fair and friendly with everyone

other than this reply being a waste of time, i wont be asking zok to remod me, if you're fucking worried or something. that's bullshit. zok knows i am not afraid to say what i feel, i'm SURE he knew that when he put me on the team, and yeah its gotten me into trouble, but only because no one is used to the MUCH NEEDED criticism. yeah, its not my job to tell anyone how to do their job, but a little constructive criticism shouldn't get you all bent out of shape just because you have to listen for a moment instead of banning them, or what ever

You get verbally violent with me all the time over the dumbest and most retarded of subjects.

I agree with everything Jackketch has said, and that is rare.

[jackketch]

DaGuru, you of all people know how it is with 'evidence' here. But you should also know me well enough to know that I don't say things like I've said here without knowing the facts.

Oh and btw as Kinkou knows from M&A, I certainly wasn't in the 'anti kinkou' camp.

[Slave of the Beast]

Yeah, I have asked several times for someone to explain to be why Kinkou is a monster. And all I hear is "If you don't know, I won't tell you" and that it's some secret happenings from M&A/mod channel... I don't buy it.

If her interactions with other mods in M&A and #mods were the problem, you aren't going to get transcripts, whether you buy it or not.

[jackketch]

I agree with everything Jackketch has said, and that is rare.

Yep that is 'cold snap in Hell' rare.

[whimsi]

If her interactions with other mods in M&A and #mods were the problem, you aren't going to get transcripts, whether you buy it or not.

Sorry to say, but I see that stuff, whether you like it or not.

[Slave of the Beast]

Sorry to say, but I see that stuff, whether you like it or not.

So you tell us then.

[jackketch]

Sorry to say, but I see that stuff, whether you like it or not.

Well if you do then someone is getting demodded.

[whimsi]

So you tell us then.

I am not going to pull shit from M&A just because I can. I have no business leaking that shit.

And anyway there's no reason to get in a battle about what I know or do not know about M&A. Anyone who matters is already aware of the fact that I see and hear a lot of what goes on in there. I wouldn't have even mentioned it, were it not for the fact that you got all ridiculous about it.

So, simply, the reason for her demodding is just the drama she was involved in on M&A? For some reason that seems a little off. Other mod(s) have caused or been the object of FAR worse drama and issues in and out of M&A and still kept moderator status.

[J J The Jet Plane]

It's funny how you will hear plenty of users complaining about how they suffered abuse at the hands of Meta, but the only people who will complain about Kinkou are mods who she criticized. The people in charge should not only be able to handle criticism but should use it to make themselves better moderators.

The fact that you call me a "HBTard" just to dismiss me jackketch shows how little you actually know both about me and about HB users in general. I've made two major fights on this forum, the one for remodding Kinkou and the one for demodding Meta, and both are ones in which I believed in. I have presented evidence and/or logical arguments to support my claims every time. All I ever hear from you and your cronies are 1) "wahhh, this girl got to be mod and she has no experience!" and 2) "wahhh, she criticized us!"

[Slave of the Beast]

I wouldn't have even mentioned it, were it not for the fact that you got all ridiculous about it.

Where have I been ridiculous?

[Random_Looney]

I think some people were in this to cause drama from the beginning. I think Meta and the other oldtyme mods were offended that Kinkou was telling them to stop acting like asstards and start actually modding in the way zok hopes they would...

Mods should be offended when other mods tell them what to do. Mods answer to co-mods, supermods, and admins. Another mod can give their opinion, but it means jack shit.

Drama had been caused on both sides, and there are plenty of threads outside of M&A where Kinkou insulted other moderators' decisions. This is against the moderator rules.

That said, I have no comment on Kinkou's modding style as I never really use the forum she modded (I'm here due to a link). She may very well have been excellent at moderating the forum itself. For the record, I have nothing personal against Kinkou despite the fact I think that based on issues like Pirate Hippie and MLoR, moderating your significant other is terribly unprofessional and a bad idea. I don't mean that as an insult to Zok. It's Zok's site and he is the boss.

By the way, I modded on totse, and I was not automatically made a mod here. I was specifically requested by several users to moderate, and I asked my co-mod and the admins if they would allow it, citing the requests. Was I made a mod pretty quickly? Yeah. Within the first couple weeks or so, I believe. Was I made a mod instantly? No.

[Slave of the Beast]

Drama had been caused on both sides, and there are plenty of threads outside of M&A where Kinkou insulted other moderators' decisions. This is against the moderator rules.

She seemed to have a general problem with regard to holding her tongue, or at least thinking before she used it.

[Snoopy]

Amazing!

You ask for definitive proof to someone's wrongdoing, bring up the fact they tolerated far worse "abuse" for a much lengthier time from far more unscrupulous people.....

...and their response is to get even PETTIER with their digs?

Kinkou, I kindly request you stay far away from me. I have the fear of god in my heart you are going to vex me with the same oogidity boogidity voodoo curse you've obviously cast on so many in here.:eek:

Silly jew.

[Slave of the Beast]

Amazing!

You ask for definitive proof to someone's wrongdoing, bring up the fact they tolerated far worse "abuse" for a much lengthier time from far more unscrupulous people.....

...and their response is to get even PETTIER with their digs?

Well why don't you ask Zok; he's the one who gave her the chop.

[Kinkou]

You get verbally violent with me all the time over the dumbest and most retarded of subjects.

I agree with everything Jackketch has said, and that is rare.

i lol'd

you intentionally try piss me off, and you're an ignorant fucker
and that has nothing to do with this! :rant:

we're not talking about pollution, cronic5. we're talking about this forum.

[Random_Looney]

And anyway there's no reason to get in a battle about what I know or do not know about M&A. Anyone who matters is already aware of the fact that I see and hear a lot of what goes on in there. I wouldn't have even mentioned it, were it not for the fact that you got all ridiculous about it.
I hope you aren't going to admit to spying on M&A purposefully? If not, your opinion on the matter you're discussing is arguably ill-informed (as you can't claim to have witnessed the totality of events), and thus not any necessarily more valid than a regular's.

Despite this, please make note that I am not saying it isn't more valid than a regular's (not that it puts it on administrative levels of legitimacy).

I seem to recall the whole allowing your spouse access to M&A as faux pas despite being somewhat inevitable.

So, simply, the reason for her demodding is just the drama she was involved in on M&A? For some reason that seems a little off. Other mod(s) have caused or been the object of FAR worse drama and issues in and out of M&A and still kept moderator status.

Zok made a generalized statement as to why she was removed as moderator. It is not all-encompassing.

[Slave of the Beast]

Ask Zok what exactly?

"Hey Zok, why is it a whole shitload of people have this butthurt grudge towards your woman yet can't bring even the remotest reason as to why?"

Are you implying Zok is a fundamentally weak character who makes terrible judgement calls? :eek:

[Kinkou]

i had to be demodded, if it had only been meta it would have been a lot uglier. zok knew i wasn't going to be a little bitch about it and cry my way back in ;)

hopefully all of the mods have learned a valuable lesson here

think what you want :) i don't care to mod, but i have gotten the point across. and i would have never gotten this far if it wasn't right to begin with


don't worry daguru, i don't see any reason why i would ever come after you. ;) you seem like my kind of user, straight down to the point

[Slave of the Beast]

and i would have never gotten this far if it wasn't right to begin with

IDK about your crazy mod skillz, but Zok has made several mistakes in the past. 'Getting far' and being 'right' aren't therefore necessarily equivalent.

[Kinkou]

perhaps you don't agree, but disagreements are old news. zok rarely told me i was doing anything wrong. he did correct me on a few matters, but that is expected as i was learning the ropes. very FEW matters.... he might have mentioned something to me twice about very trivial stuff
otherwise, i have done him a huge favor by bringing all of this to light
zoklet is better off. they want an open administration, and that's what they're doing

[Slave of the Beast]

perhaps you don't agree, but disagreements are old news. zok rarely told me i was doing anything wrong. he did correct me on a few matters, but that is expected as i was learning the ropes. very FEW matters.... he might have mentioned something to me twice about very trivial stuff
otherwise, i have done him a huge favor by bringing all of this to light
zoklet is better off.

All I said in M&A regarding you is that there'd be a shitstorm if you were re-instated and Zok stuck his fingers in his ears, beyond that I can't comment.

they want an open administration, and that's what they're doing

Open administration? Make M&A public.

But that is never going to happen.

[jackketch]

he did correct me on a few matters, but that is expected as i was learning the ropes. very FEW matters.... he might have mentioned something to me twice about very trivial stuff
otherwise, i have done him a huge favor by bringing all of this to light


DaGuru, you see why she shouldn't be a mod now? Tell me you didn't read that and feel that your husband's dejavue kick in?

You know the one. The one when you tell her "DO NOT TOUCH THE BIG RED BUTTON. Whatever you do NOT press the red button". And then when she does it's all your fault for not explaining it properly to her, that it wasn't so bad, that you didn't tell her it was THAT important and why are you going on about it?

[Kinkou]

zok didn't stick his fingers in his ears for any of this. he heard you, he listens

how do you know M&A wont be made public? it could happen. we'll see, wont we?

[Kinkou]

DaGuru, you see why she shouldn't be a mod now? Tell me you didn't read that and feel that your husband's dejavue kick in?

You know the one. The one when you tell her "DO NOT TOUCH THE BIG RED BUTTON. Whatever you do NOT press the red button". And then when she does it's all your fault for not explaining it properly to her, that it wasn't so bad, that you didn't tell her it was THAT important and why are you going on about it?

*pushes jackketch's big red button"

[Slave of the Beast]

zok didn't stick his fingers in his ears for any of this. he heard you, he listens

... and then did exactly what I said he shouldn't.

We obviously have different concepts of what "listening" means.

how do you know M&A wont be made public? it could happen. we'll see, wont we?

Haha! You know him far better than me, but over the last 4 years Zok has never been one to embrace public ridicule, of which I think there'd be plenty if M&A were made public in its current form.

[jackketch]

So you are pissed because Zok has an extra set of eyes and ears, looking out for the best interests of the man she snuggles up to at night? (At least from her perspective).

Have some solace in the fact at least you KNOW the person that is keeping an eye on things while Zok isn't looking. With all of the multiple screen name chicanery, spies, leaks, and other back-stabbing that took place over at Totse......one brazen bitch talking about shit "publicly" (in the sense it is out in the open as far as within the confines of M & A) should be a walk in the park compared to all of that intrigue and espionage.

I'm still missing the "threat" here......none of you people knew how/when to skate around the rules when your parents or teachers weren't looking? How much trouble is she really causing by just adding her 2 cents to Zok on what is best for his website? And if days/weeks in, you realize that Kinkou DOES have such stroke/clout within Zok's decision making....wouldn't it be in your best interest to either befriend her/kiss her ass, or instead just hush yourself?

The whole lot of you did with Acidmelt....why not her?

Actually part of the reason I am annoyed with Kinkou is that she didn't become a partner to zok as an admin. A 'husband and wife' (married or not) team heading up zoklet could have been a great win.

Instead she undermined him and made him look weak.

[Random_Looney]

perhaps you don't agree, but disagreements are old news. zok rarely told me i was doing anything wrong. he did correct me on a few matters, but that is expected as i was learning the ropes. very FEW matters.... he might have mentioned something to me twice about very trivial stuff
1. "Rarely" is a subjective and vague qualitative assessment. I'd make a comment here based off of something oddballz194 said in M&A that you didn't refute, but I can't repeat it.
2. Violating the rules isn't considered trivial.

That's not to say it should disqualify you from moderating, but you seem to be ignoring a couple issues here.
otherwise, i have done him a huge favor by bringing all of this to light
Pronoun antecedents, please. What exactly did you bring to light?

zoklet is better off. they want an open administration, and that's what they're doing

I too have to jump on the bandwagon and cite M&A being a closed forum. Perhaps this is a semantics issue.

[whimsi]

Actually part of the reason I am annoyed with Kinkou is that she didn't become a partner to zok as an admin. A 'husband and wife' (married or not) team heading up zoklet could have been a great win.

Instead she undermined him and made him look weak.

You know, to a point there, I follow you.

I think her commenting where zok didn't DOES look a little hairy.

But it seems to me like a lot of the comments I've seen her make were thing that should have been enforced by zok all along. Obviously that's an opinion many people aren't sure to share, but I can't imagine her overstepping Zok. I think it's more of a case of their differing tactics. Zok is Zok, unconfrontational and professional to a tee, whereas Kinkous style is more up front, brutally honest about her opinions, and aggressive.

[jackketch]

You know, to a point there, I follow you.

I think her commenting where zok didn't DOES look a little hairy.

But it seems to me like a lot of the comments I've seen her make were thing that should have been enforced by zok all along. Obviously that's an opinion many people aren't sure to share, but I can't imagine her overstepping Zok. I think it's more of a case of their differing tactics. Zok is Zok, unconfrontational and professional to a tee, whereas Kinkous style is more up front, brutally honest about her opinions, and aggressive.

Actually I don't disagree much with you there either. Like I said, I had high hopes for her and I wasn't one of those who were anti her from the start, as she knows from things i said in M&A. As an admin and later as a mod she could have 'completed' zok, been that 'edge' that zok finds difficult. Instead she caused him to appear at best 'cuckholded' and at worst stupid.

However just reading this thread is enough to tell me she should never be modded.

Anyone delusional enough to think they were a 'great mod'...come on, can you imagine zok ever saying ' i am a great admin'??!

[deus]

can you imagine zok ever saying ' i am a great admin'??!

I'm a great admin. :cool:


:p

[jackketch]

I'm a great admin. :cool:


:p

Of course you are, dear.

[whimsi]

I'm a great admin. :cool:


:p

Deus, you're a hoot :|

I've never seen the sunglasses face used better :P

[Kinkou]

i didn't mean to say i was a great mod, of all mods ever... i was trying to say i was doing the job well, at least from my perspective. and i am pretty sure i never violated the rules, random looney. it was never brought to my attention if i had. there was a lot i didn't address in M&A because i was instructed not to.

and yes, jackketch i have noticed how you feel about me, and i thank you for the support :)

i don't want to be a mod
i didn't want to mod anything specifically in the first place. i was a supermod originally for the same reason you just stated you hoped i could do, complete zok
needless to say it didn't sit well, yes it was unprofessional to give your girlfriend that position. but i kind of feel that zok knew what he was doing, he knows who i am, very well
anyway its done now

[The English Gentleman]

Actually part of the reason I am annoyed with Kinkou is that she didn't become a partner to zok as an admin. A 'husband and wife' (married or not) team heading up zoklet could have been a great win.

Instead she undermined him and made him look weak.

This rhetoric, with a few name changes could be applied to Anne Boleyn, Catherine Parr and many of henry VIII's wives...

[Random_Looney]

i didn't mean to say i was a great mod, of all mods ever... i was trying to say i was doing the job well, at least from my perspective. and i am pretty sure i never violated the rules, random looney. it was never brought to my attention if i had. there was a lot i didn't address in M&A because i was instructed not to.

http://bbs.zoklet.net/showpost.php?p=130996&postcount=70

That leads to M&A, so you need permission to view it, and therefor I'm not leaking anything, but Zok can read his post or show it to you.

[jackketch]

If I say "I'm a great and eloquent poster". Well you are but you normally you show enough sense to know that you're only as good as your last post.

If I were to say 'I'm a great mod' then it would pretty much tell anyone reading that I had totally missed the point of being a mod.

[IWD]

Well you are but you normally you show enough sense to know that you're only as good as your last post.

If I were to say 'I'm a great mod' then it would pretty much tell anyone reading that I had totally missed the point of being a mod.

Actually, you are wrong!

[Really Awesome Nickname]

that is not necessarily true
This.

Although I am an admirer of Jakkkkketch's wisdom, I stand to my side.

The fact that Kinkou respected our freedom of speech and did not lock up the 90% of the threads like Meta did does not mean she was a bad mod. On the absolute contrary. It tells she is a nice person and respectful for other people's ideas and thoughts.

Maybe she was sometimes a bit too light, like with the Katie thing (I personally would have given Katie and anyone doing such kind of abuse like with the wires thing a permanent ban), but she never stood in your way. She only gave her point of view.

What for me goes, I want her re-modded. And if you are to say my opinion doesn't count for shit because I am mostly an HBer, you can just as well fuck your face, since I believe I have proven to be of powerful mind, deep understanding and serious argument.

[Random_Looney]

I fail to see the serious argument in getting Kinkou reinstated. So, because Kinkou didn't abuse your Protected Speech here, you want her reinstated?

So, what you're saying here is that because she didn't commit an offense in one regard, as far as you see it, that's good enough to make her a moderator again?

She violated the rules. Unless that can be reconciled, that in and of itself is a strike against her.

Edit- I mean, that's like saying because I didn't commit genocide, I make a good leader.

[cosmo]

Kinkou for supermod.

[Really Awesome Nickname]

I fail to see the serious argument in getting Kinkou reinstated. So, because Kinkou didn't abuse your Protected Speech here, you want her reinstated?

So, what you're saying here is that because she didn't commit an offense in one regard, as far as you see it, that's good enough to make her a moderator again?

She violated the rules. Unless that can be reconciled, that in and of itself is a strike against her.

Edit- I mean, that's like saying because I didn't commit genocide, I make a good leader.
Where and when did she violate the rules?

[Random_Looney]

Where and when did she violate the rules?

Repeatedly, in HB particularly. She can have Zok log on and read the only remaining admission to it. It was stated in the whole Zok's news demodding thread that she openly criticized other moderators, as well as other related offenses. This is against the rules.

Edit- she also discussed other mod's actions from M&A in another forum. Since the offenses were outside of M&A, I can tell you what they were, but I am not allowed to post who said what in that forum, so only mods, supermods, and admins can view exactly what I'm talking about. I left it in a form where one needs the requisite permissions to view to avoid any complications.


Regardless of whether she'd violated the rules, lack of abuse is not a particularly strong argument for being reinstated. That was what you seemed to use as your "strong argument."

[yxnhpbjac]

Deluxe....I agree with everything you've said on this thread so far, except for what I've quoted above. The reason being is because we can't start drawing lines in the sand based on each person's separate sense of sensibilities. For one person it is failed fetuses, the next person it might be a "your mom" crack if their mother was killed in some horrific accident.

I still maintain any bannings in regard to the Wires issue were completely wrongful, and it is arrogant at best to try to preach or maintain moralities in such a diverse community as this. Banning for content is such a slippery slope, and is kind of like killing. The first one is tough, but the more bodies at your feet it just gets easier and easier over time.

You wanna wake up one day and have Zoklet resemble some kind of sterile churchish goody-goody message board?

**Shudders**:eek:


I agree with this completely. I also want to say that I was wrong when I doubted you on totse. You were right when you said that Jeff Hunter would not give us a complete explantion.

[Kinkou]

random_looney, i hope you are not referring to posts i made in HB while i was NOT a moderator

because i'm pretty sure you are :)

[Random_Looney]

random_looney, i hope you are not referring to posts i made in HB while i was NOT a moderator

because i'm pretty sure you are :)

Ask Zok to read the post.

Edit- another mod can back me up.

[Darkhunter]

Posting in epic thread. Finally people call mods out for things that they do.

[Random_Looney]

Even if Kinkou weren't a mod when she criticized the other mods, we can all agree that discussion of M&A material of any sort whatsoever is against the rules regardless of user status.

[Slave of the Beast]

... we can all agree that discussion of M&A material of any sort whatsoever is against the rules regardless of user status.

Where does it say that?

[Random_Looney]

Where does it say that?
"Privacy and Confidentiality
Information shared in Mods and Admins and #mods stays there. Mentioning things from this forum or from #mods on the main forum will get you in trouble. That includes screenshots, paraphrasing, quoting, and logs.

Arguing with other mods
In public:
Fighting or arguing with each other in public is also forbidden. If you have a problem with another moderator bring it to them first. If they refuse to listen, take it to an admin or M&A. Do NOT argue publicly on the boards or in chat."

http://bbs.zoklet.net/faq.php?faq=moderator_rules#faq_moderator_global_r ules

This post is pertinent to your question.

http://bbs.zoklet.net/showthread.php?t=10807

Neener neener.

The other post I'd cited is most relevant, however, as this one could be construed as retroactive. If an admin needs me to write it out for them, I will. The post is indicative of one word.

Edit- found a better example:
http://bbs.zoklet.net/showpost.php?p=110733&postcount=1

Last line of part 1 should clear up some confusion. I specifically made sure that was added, and I remember it being done before Kinkou was a mod, and I believe before she was a supermod. Considering the post origin (user), the following posts, and the date of editing, any admin or even mod can verify that.

Given the three examples of what I've posted without really posting it, it should be clear to anyone with access to M&A that Kinkou was in violation of the rules. It's a well known fact as far as I'm concerned that mod forum stuff stays there.

[Slave of the Beast]

This post is pertinent to your question.

http://bbs.zoklet.net/showthread.php?t=10807

Neener neener.

Slave of the Beast, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:

Edit- found a better example:
http://bbs.zoklet.net/showpost.php?p=110733&postcount=1

Slave of the Beast, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:

I like your sense of humour.

[Random_Looney]

I like your sense of humour.

Thank you. I do try. Hopefully my editing made it easier for those without access. Without access to M&A, it is a much weaker case, but should get the point across. Because Kinkou had access to M&A, much less immediate physical access to an admin who is site owner nonetheless, any kind of misunderstanding of the rules shows a lack of responsibility on her part.

[-SpectraL]

... Because Kinkou had access to M&A, much less immediate physical access to an admin who is site owner nonetheless, any kind of misunderstanding of the rules shows a lack of responsibility on her part.Glad to see someone has their eye on the ball. :D

[jackketch]

The fact that you call me a "HBTard" just to dismiss me jackketch shows how little you actually know both about me and about HB users in general.

One look at your infraction sheet and a glance at your posts tells me that you are indeed a HBtard.

And your 198fool style 'kinkou good, meta BAD' bleating just seals the deal.

[jackketch]

The fact that Kinkou respected our freedom of speech and did not lock up the 90% of the threads like Meta

Meta did more for freedom of speech on totse and here than you will ever know. Thing was , he like all good mods, was more concerned about freedom of speech for all posters and not just for the HBtards.

[Kinkou]

random_looney,
i was a supermod when the site opened
this i believe was before you joined or knew what was going on in the first place

neener neener?

[-SpectraL]

...before you joined or knew what was going on in the first place

You are not your username. :D

[-SpectraL]

You know, to get back on topic here, Metaphysicist would never pull a MLoR and delete forums or spam any threads; he's just not that kind of guy. One thing I find very interesting in this thing is that I know for a positive fact Metaphysicist has requested his account to be perma-banned... and yet... it is not. I had said it was done because I have never before seen a moderator account not be perma-banned, if requested, and so I kind of jumped the gun there.

And since this is the case, I would like to take this opportunity to beg, from the bottom of my heart, for Metaphysicist to change his mind in this one case and join us, just like old times, right here and now as a regular. I know that I for one extremely enjoyed his posts. It's true that he will not have the upper hand anymore here, and people can dump on his head any old time they like, like the clueless twit-children they are, sticking their needles in like the hopeless losers in life they will unfortunately always be, but I am completely confident that Metaphysicist can hold his own quite well. I think his main concern is the drama that would undoubtedly ensue just because he simply wanted to come and post with us among the regulars. But I say FUCK the drama, I say FUCK the kidiots, I say FUCK the status-quo.... because I would welcome Metaphysicist to come and join us. I would consider it a PERSONAL FAVOR if he did so. I'm hoping he won't disappoint me.

[-SpectraL]

That is like saying the hijackers on 9/11 "did" something for modern and future architecture.

GTFO!!!:facepalm:You know, even those hijackers, murderous and crazy as they were, believed in an ideal for a better world. Otherwise, they wouldn't have been ready to die for the dream. Of course, the way they went about it was just wrong, but when we look past that, behind that, we see some plain old fellows just like you and me, people you could probably come to like and admire, who are misguided in the method, but maybe just need some real support and guidance to get to the same place you and me want as well. Of course he was heavy-handed at times, and I was always the loudest to scream bloody murder about it... but there's more to it than just that. I just don't see any point at all in carrying out a crusade against Metaphysicist as long as he IS trying to do a good job. When he was out of line, he was in fact spoken to and punished, and served his time, so to say. Twice I wrote to zok about Metaphysicist's behavior, and twice Metaphysicist came into the thread, admitted he was out of line, said he wouldn't do it again, and restored whatever it was he had modified. He has always been willing to follow the instructions of the administration, and I have never once seen him not follow those instructions... until this behavior from kinkou in deliberately trying to disrespect him wherever she could get it in, in a blatant and completely successful effort to get rid of him. There's a lot more persons we can apply a full, all-out crusade toward than Metaphysicist. I see a basically good person there, and I guess that's the way I'll always feel until I see different to change that opinion.

[-SpectraL]

Spectral......let's clarify something for accuracy here.

Meta DID delete many a thread, and many a post. And I can say to you with absolute certainty that in the final MINUTES (not hours) Meta was deleting posts of mine because I was calling a spade a spade and blowing up the fairy tale bullshit he was trying to post while he was saying goodbye on some threads.

Now of course he'll tell you no that never happened, and I'll stick to that story to the very end. So for anyone on the fence wondering who really IS telling the truth.....I ask how many times has Meta been proven to be an out and out liar vs. me? Thanks everyone. :cool:

As far as not deleting his account entirely, you are wrong on that note. I've seen MANY a thread in the Help and Suggestion forum over at Totse where people requested they have their nicks deleted for whatever reason. The pat answer I saw from multiple admins and mods is they don't do it, and didn't want to set a precedent because then everyone would ask for the pettiest of reasons.

Granted, this is Zoklet and not Totse...but you did use "past history" as a reasoning to why Meta should get consideration for this deletion, but I'm sorry from my memory recollection he would in fact be the EXCEPTION to that already set precedent.

I meant when moderators request to have their account permanently banned... like Oddballz194. It was done when he asked. About Metaphysicist's deletion of your posts, yes.. I totally agree with you.. VERY wrong. And there are processes available for with which to deal with such reckless behavior. How the ruinator responds to those process says a lot about whether that deleter of posts will change his/her ways. He seemed to change his ways a lot along the way, as long as the administrator asked for it. But if you don't have an administrator who gets wholly involved in the guidance of his lessers, making the adjustment where need be, and you have a super-moderator fed up with a lot of things that are not related to the deleted posts, who maybe needs some of that guidance at the time.. well.. recipe for disaster for sure.

[jackketch]

That is like saying the hijackers on 9/11 "did" something for modern and future architecture.

GTFO!!!:facepalm:

Funnily enough he used to feel the same way about you i think. He was convinced you were genuinely arguing for Freedom Of Speech-his great passion. He simply disliked your methods and wasn't impressed by a lot of your arguments, whereas I was (and am).

One day the whole story may be told...perhaps....and you might want to look up a good recipe for crow pie in the meantime.

[Star Wars Fan]

Why are Mods/Ops ABOVE the rules instead of enforcing them responsibly?

due to bullshit elitism by the mods. TOTSE had a bunch of bullshit like this. See Snoopy and Zay.

Red Raven talked about it.

[Random_Looney]

random_looney,
i was a supermod when the site opened
this i believe was before you joined or knew what was going on in the first place

neener neener?
Why you're posting this statement is unclear to me as it is a complete non-sequitur.
Uh, I'm trying not to be insulting here, but if you just let Zok log in and read the first link I posted for you, it should be brutally clear.

The first sentence really sums it up.

You're not using logic at all here. I'll break it down into a syllogism for you. If A, then B. Take a look at the post I cited. That is case A. Case B is violating the rules. Because of the intrinsic correlation of the two cases I present due to the very nature of the post, it is quite clearly evidence you broke the rules, which you seem to be ignoring. Also, aside from the fact that your having been a supermod has no relation to my post (and seems to be an attempt at an appeal to authority... which is a logical fallacy), it's illogical to say I didn't know what was going on. You can't know what I knew. To say you do would be a logical fallacy. Since you're left with your beliefs, I'd like to point out that your beliefs have no necessary correlation with reality. To say they do is another logical fallacy. I'd been around totse and lurked zoklet for quite some time. Also, if we accept your premise that I "didn't know what was going on in the first place" solely for the sake argument, it means nothing. The temporal nature of ones knowledge of a violation of the rules is completely irrelevant to the actual breaking of them. If I were to leak M&A information, and a massive witch hunt went out for the mole, and some brand new member who joined a year after the fact figured out/was informed that I broke the rules... I still broke the rules. There isn't a statute of limitations here. That's assuming you broke the rules while a supermod. If not, then that time frame you're referencing is even less relevant to the discussion. Your attempt to put yourself on some sort of higher temporal-epistemological plane is fruitless.


And you believe incorrectly, I might add. Not only do you believe incorrectly, but even if we assumed your premise to be true, it changes nothing. You still violated the rules. I'm not saying you were a bad supermod or mod, nor am I saying that you should be disqualified from moderating, but when you're claiming to fail to see the point that's been repeatedly stated, it raises questions.

[The English Gentleman]

That is like saying the hijackers on 9/11 "did" something for modern and future architecture.

GTFO!!!:facepalm:

This is just such a stupid analogy... epicly stupid and misproportioned, not to mention more importantly irrelevant.

so you get a :picard:

[The Cheshire Cat]

Holy hell.... this is still going on?

[whimsi]

Holy hell.... this is still going on?

Looks like :eek:

[The English Gentleman]

My whole point is.....Meta himself hopefully prevents other similar Meta personnas from popping up in the future.


I agree with your logic, but disagree with the backend of it so to speak, i.e Meta's personna being a bad thing. Sometimes i think however there ought to be a system of peer review, i.e. two mods had to approve any bans longer than a week and any second ban by the same mod would result in a peer review.

[Kinkou]

until this behavior from kinkou in deliberately trying to disrespect him wherever she could get it in, in a blatant and completely successful effort to get rid of him.

that is not true... i never intended to deliberately "get rid of him", i was just trying to clarify that we weren't doing things the same as totse did. meta took a lot of shit i said personally and seriously even when i wasn't even talking to or about him, and tried to make an argument with me based on it. if anything, i think because he hated me so much for pointing out a couple of times that he was being too much of a hardass, he was stopping at nothing to get at me...... yeah that hasn't ALWAYS been the case, but in the last week it was, and i had been instructed to try and hold my tongue. even before i had those instructions, i let a lot of shit go that really irked me about his moderation style because i knew he COULDN'T take the criticism and frankly i didn't feel like dealing with the cat if i let it out of the bag. cats don't belong in bags, BTW.

Why you're posting this statement is unclear to me as it is a complete non-sequitur.
Uh, I'm trying not to be insulting here, but if you just let Zok log in and read the first link I posted for you, it should be brutally clear.

The first sentence really sums it up.

You're not using logic at all here. I'll break it down into a syllogism for you. If A, then B. Take a look at the post I cited. That is case A. Case B is violating the rules. Because of the intrinsic correlation of the two cases I present due to the very nature of the post, it is quite clearly evidence you broke the rules, which you seem to be ignoring. Also, aside from the fact that your having been a supermod has no relation to my post (and seems to be an attempt at an appeal to authority... which is a logical fallacy), it's illogical to say I didn't know what was going on. You can't know what I knew. To say you do would be a logical fallacy. Since you're left with your beliefs, I'd like to point out that your beliefs have no necessary correlation with reality. To say they do is another logical fallacy. I'd been around totse and lurked zoklet for quite some time. Also, if we accept your premise that I "didn't know what was going on in the first place" solely for the sake argument, it means nothing. The temporal nature of ones knowledge of a violation of the rules is completely irrelevant to the actual breaking of them. If I were to leak M&A information, and a massive witch hunt went out for the mole, and some brand new member who joined a year after the fact figured out/was informed that I broke the rules... I still broke the rules. There isn't a statute of limitations here. That's assuming you broke the rules while a supermod. If not, then that time frame you're referencing is even less relevant to the discussion. Your attempt to put yourself on some sort of higher temporal-epistemological plane is fruitless.


And you believe incorrectly, I might add. Not only do you believe incorrectly, but even if we assumed your premise to be true, it changes nothing. You still violated the rules. I'm not saying you were a bad supermod or mod, nor am I saying that you should be disqualified from moderating, but when you're claiming to fail to see the point that's been repeatedly stated, it raises questions.

i posted that statement as a goddamn joke. (neener neener?)
i've said four times now i don't want to mod, and i believe the situation you might be referring to is something that was in a OP post here in PEOOF. which i might add i could have sworn it was mentioned publicly. but this is all beside the fact. i'm really sick of feeling obligated to argue with this, and i haven't been taking it seriously (apparently) because i don't care anymore and you picking apart this trivial shit just to drag it out is by all means annoying as hell, whether or not its true

[Random_Looney]

i've said four times now i don't want to mod
Which has nothing to do what I said.

Again, talking about where the original posts were is irrelevant. We agree that you posted outside of M&A. Regardless of whether your posts were made public, I won't divulge information from M&A, where my links lead to, because it is against the rules to do so. If you don't understand that, it explains why you seem to have trouble understanding how you broke the rules.

you picking apart this trivial shit just to drag it out is by all means annoying as hell, whether or not its true

You broke the damn rules. There's nothing trivial about it. I don't give a fuck if pointing that out when you keep expressing your confusion on the matter happens to annoy you. Grow up and stop being so sensitive. Show some responsibility for your actions. You say you "(apparently) aren't taking [it] seriously." That's inarguable. That's also part of the problem. Is moderation a joke to you? You seem to take criticizing others' moderation decisions very seriously.

The reason I'm doing it isn't to rub your face in it (though that seems to be what's necessary to get you to accept your wrongdoing and cope with it). It's to demonstrate fact where you have repeatedly not understood, either willfully or through some kind of unintentional error in your thought processes, that you broke the rules. Again, you're making the logical fallacy of claiming to know my motive. You can't logically do that. If you go back and read through the thread, you'll see I was explaining to whimsi and anyone else who was unaware, that there were reasons for your being demodded other than just some bullshit drama in M&A. You violated the rules outside of M&A, which is not protected by any kind of secrecy clause. I pointed it out to you when you made an incorrect assessment which again, is protected under the First Amendment as Protected Speech and is not prohibited on this private website by current rules. If that offends you, I don't apologize because I am not in the wrong. I was having a discussion with another individual in a perfectly lawful manner where you became included and expressed some kind of failing on your part to understand where you broke the rules. I obliged you by demonstrating in such a manner where you could clearly see, with admin approval, what you should have seen in M&A while you had direct access to it.

I'll say again just in case you get the wrong message here (reading comprehension, connotation, and denotation tend to get a little fuzzy when people "argue" as you believe we are doing)... I am not insulting you as a person, nor am I insulting your moderation of this forum when you were a moderator. I'm not saying you shouldn't be a mod (even though you don't want to be). I'm not saying you're incapable. I'm not even insulting your intelligence.

I'm saying you broke the rules, and I'm right. End of story.

[The Cheshire Cat]

Which has nothing to do what I said.

Again, talking about where the original posts were is irrelevant. We agree that you posted outside of M&A. Regardless of whether your posts were made public, I won't divulge information from M&A, where my links lead to, because it is against the rules to do so. If you don't understand that, it explains why you seem to have trouble understanding how you broke the rules.



You broke the damn rules. There's nothing trivial about it. I don't give a fuck if pointing that out when you keep expressing your confusion on the matter happens to annoy you.

The reason I'm doing isn't to rub your face in it. It's to demonstrate fact where you have repeatedly not understood, either willfully or through some kind of error in your though processes, that you broke the rules. If you go back and read through the thread, you'll see I was explaining to whimsi and anyone else who was unaware, that there were reasons for your being demodded other than just some bullshit drama in M&A. If that offends you, I don't apologize because I am not in the wrong. I was having a discussion with another individual in a perfectly lawful manner where you became included and expressed some kind of failing on your part to understand where you broke the rules. I obliged you by demonstrating in such a manner where you could clearly see, with admin approval, what you should have seen in M&A while you had direct access to it.

Looney, good few posts there. My advice is, let it go. There is no use arguing with someone who is going to claim "I really don't care!" and "I didn't know" all the time. It just doesn't work.

[The Cheshire Cat]

Holy hell...schitzo boy actually found the fortitude to post in a forum he doesn't moderate?:eek:

Remember DaGuru, on topic, you must stay on it. ;)

[Kinkou]

i don't care anymore

you could PM me yourself instead of playing this petty bullshit game of "here are the links and i know no one can read them but me"

as far as i am concerned i have not done anything wrong, and zok can correct me on that later if he really feels its necessary. what ever your links are they are something i'm guessing i couldn't argue with because i was told not to. i would have defended myself otherwise, and there is no question that i have "missed" the post because i have been reading everything. i was instructed to not make a "formal" reply... and the instructions aren't M&A information
i don't have anything more to say
this is cheap and much unappreciated blow, you can PM me if you're oh so concerned

[Kinkou]

Looney, good few posts there. My advice is, let it go. There is no use arguing with someone who is going to claim "I really don't care!" and "I didn't know" all the time. It just doesn't work.

i suggest you take this advice random_looney


stick it up your goddamn ass :facepalm:

[The Cheshire Cat]

Which is worse? The flooding of Meta whining in IRC to anyone that will listen.....or all those mutated electrons flooding that inadequate brain of yours which in turn makes you be such a spastic and emotionally impulsive moderator???:confused:

Last warning. This thread has nothing to do with me. So, quit trying to antagonize me into a fight.

[Slave of the Beast]

...zok can correct me on that later...

http://blog.menupirate.com/images/drooling_homer.png

Hmmmm.... correction. (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_VUJsDG7Zo84/RbwQIxAuA8I/AAAAAAAAA1E/ytYlsf1LL48/s320/ruler.jpg)

[Random_Looney]

i suggest you take this advice random_looney


stick it up your goddamn ass :facepalm:

Pathetic. The fact you have to resort to ad hominem attacks just shows how weak you are, both in general debating ability, and as far as logical discourse pertaining to the limited area of this subject. I thought you were taking the high moral ground and shutting up outside of PM?

YEAH THIS!!!!^^^^^

Seriously Random Looney....drop all of this vague idiocy and go on to something else. Or just have your "OMGZ Its Super Secret Mod Stuff" elitist faggotry convo in a PM.

But prattling on post after post, paragraph after paragraph making these inane references that nobody else can see is just patently stupid. And quite annoying.

Talk about stuff on the PUBLIC boards that everyone can relate to.... or just STFU.:mad:

DaGuru, just because you didn't read my posts closely enough (and I don't blame you), doesn't mean that no one on the public board can follow them. Kinkou admitted to making posts pertaining to M&A outside of M&A, in this forum, in fact. Judging by the publicly posted rules of being a moderator, this is against the rules.

Now, please, try not to deign to the level of Kinkou's latest post by telling me what to do over the internet in a particularly juvenile manner. You don't have to read my posts if they bother you.

[DaGuru]

DaGuru, just because you didn't read my posts closely enough (and I don't blame you), doesn't mean that no one on the public board can follow them.

Random Looney....this is clearly a case where because YOU know all of the facts surrounding the scenario, you think people are able to pick up on your vague references that aren't privy to everything you know. Well, they ain't.

I'm just trying to point out to you that you are having a PUBLIC argument with someone where the unbiased spectator doesn't have a fuckin clue in the world about what you are discussing.

Seriously, PM or IRC is a much more APPROPRIATE place for your line of dialogue here.

[IWD]

DaGuru = Master of argument and debate.

You should be a lawyer man..

[J J The Jet Plane]

One look at your infraction sheet and a glance at your posts tells me that you are indeed a HBtard.

And your 198fool style 'kinkou good, meta BAD' bleating just seals the deal.

Both of those infractions are bullshit, and both are warnings. Had you taken the time to look at them you would know that one was simply Meta trying to scare me with his power because he was pissed at me, and the other was incorrectly labeled as "repeatedly posting off topic threads" which was simply not true.

[Random_Looney]

Random Looney....this is clearly a case where because YOU know all of the facts surrounding the scenario, you think people are able to pick up on your vague references that aren't privy to everything you know. Well, they ain't.

I'm just trying to point out to you that you are having a PUBLIC argument with someone where the unbiased spectator doesn't have a fuckin clue in the world about what you are discussing.

Seriously, PM or IRC is a much more APPROPRIATE place for your line of dialogue here.

Thank you for very politely giving me your opinion. I agree that the current form of "discussion" would probably be best suited to PM as I don't use IRC, but since I was originally discussing an issue brought up by whimsi in the forum which devolved into arguing (which I may honestly be mistakenly believing the forum is for. I admit I don't really come in here), I felt like here was the best place to discuss it. When Kinkou expressed guiltlessness here, I thought I could politely point out where her error was. Due to the somewhat sensitive nature of discussing events that link with M&A, I chose to do so publicly so it could be a matter of public record just in case someone wanted to try and get loose with the interpretation of how I abided by the rules.

Because people were making an issue out of the events in a public forum, I thought I'd weigh in in the only manner possible without breaking mod protocol. If Kinkou were still a moderator, I could have simply had this discussion in M&A with less complexity.

Edit- however, I disagree with your point that not everyone can follow my posts. Some people are just retarded, or can't read... don't know English. I can't communicate with everyone. Based on Kinkou's own admissions as well as the public moderator rules, the patient and observant reader should be able to see discrepancy.

Because I take it you're requesting I stop talking about the issue here, even though it doesn't violate any rules, I will respect your request out of good will. Cool?

[DaGuru]

Because I take it you're requesting I stop talking about the issue here, even though it doesn't violate any rules, I will respect your request out of good will. Cool?

Much obliged Random Looney. And I apologize for my original post to you that had a very scathing tone to it. You didn't deserve that vitrol, and unfortunately I had my ire raised a bit minutes before by one of your incompetent peers derailing this thread that doesn't understand how to conduct themselves properly or professionally on these boards.

My serious and most sincerest regrets.:(

MORE than cool as far as I'm concerned......

[The Cheshire Cat]

Since you have such a problem with me, why don't you start a thread about it?

[Kinkou]

correction. (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_VUJsDG7Zo84/RbwQIxAuA8I/AAAAAAAAA1E/ytYlsf1LL48/s320/ruler.jpg)

where did you find that picture of us?

[DaGuru]

Since you have such a problem with me, why don't you start a thread about it?

Scroll up you hapless and confused little pissant. Here, let's break it down in a real nice summary form.....so you don't need to take some meds to come back to reality and fully digest this.

1) We are now in a thread that is SIX pages long, going off in a myriad of directions......the general gist being Meta leaving, and all the chaos that has ensued around/because of it.

2) You come bopping into this thread (I think putting up your first post on it) on page 5 making some kidiotic remark feigning surprise that people are still posting about the topic. Basically not talking about the topic itself...but instead DERAILING and STIFLING the topic which is also evidenced by your recommendation to certain posters they just "drop" the topic entirely.

3) I mock your bumbling idiocy

4) As usual, in your futile attempt at maintaining some adult-like authoritive presence here...you meagerly attempt to warn me about "staying on topic", when it was YOU that originally went off topic or tried preventing discussion of the topic to its conclusion.

5) I scoff at you, your authority, your inadequate scattered mind, and your ridiculous ideas of what this section is for or how people should conduct themselves in it.

6) And here you are still whining, giving me even more of an opportunity to expose you for the psychotic poster and incompetent moderator that you really are.

Anything else there Mr. Poster Boy For ADD, or do you need a couple of flow charts to get all this to finally sink in for good????

[J J The Jet Plane]

Scroll up you hapless and confused little pissant. Here, let's break it down in a real nice summary form.....so you don't need to take some meds to come back to reality and fully digest this.

...

Anything else there Mr. Poster Boy For ADD, or do you need a couple of flow charts to get all this to finally sink in for good????

This. It is remarkable how hypocritical and petty this "moderator" truly is.

[DaGuru]

This. It is remarkable how hypocritical and petty this "moderator" truly is.

Indeed. What is saddest and most pathetic about Expl0itz's awful modding, is he might be a huge catalyst in proving a lot of people right. You know the mantra being bantered about? "With Meta gone Zoklet is going to dissolve into one HB".

Well with this chump being a mod at one of the most travelled forums on here...that is a VERY strong possibility. He doesn't put out fires, he creates them. And with his insecure and inept usage of his mod tools, he just promotes even more kidiotic foolishness.

Who knows, maybe there are other chapters of this "Purge" that will fix some of these issues and Zoklet will actually have a fighting chance to survive without such frightened, slow, and insignificant people erroneously in the role of moderator????

Only time will tell......:confused:

[The Cheshire Cat]

Scroll up you hapless and confused little pissant. Here, let's break it down in a real nice summary form.....so you don't need to take some meds to come back to reality and fully digest this.

1) We are now in a thread that is SIX pages long, going off in a myriad of directions......the general gist being Meta leaving, and all the chaos that has ensued around/because of it.

2) You come bopping into this thread (I think putting up your first post on it) on page 5 making some kidiotic remark feigning surprise that people are still posting about the topic. Basically not talking about the topic itself...but instead DERAILING and STIFLING the topic which is also evidenced by your recommendation to certain posters they just "drop" the topic entirely.

3) I mock your bumbling idiocy

4) As usual, in your futile attempt at maintaining some adult-like authoritive presence here...you meagerly attempt to warn me about "staying on topic", when it was YOU that originally went off topic or tried preventing discussion of the topic to its conclusion.

5) I scoff at you, your authority, your inadequate scattered mind, and your ridiculous ideas of what this section is for or how people should conduct themselves in it.

6) And here you are still whining, giving me even more of an opportunity to expose you for the psychotic poster and incompetent moderator that you really are.

Anything else there Mr. Poster Boy For ADD, or do you need a couple of flow charts to get all this to finally sink in for good????

If you're willing to draw up a few flow charts. That would be fucking amazing! :D

Here DaGuru. I'm going to say this. None of my post have meant to get into any argument with you. I'm like the rest of the people, just a long for the ride. It's also entertaining (not in a bad way) to banter back and forth with you about these 'issues' on the internet about a bulletin board. You help me kill time with something really really entertaining to do. My 'threatening' you (outside my own forum) with stay on topic was completely sarcastic. Thus the winky face. Since you put up a fuss about it, I figured I would drag it out a little.

There is no hatred that I have for you. Nor is there any other problem that I have with you. Sure, you get on my nerves a bit, but that is fine. It doesn't bother me that much anyways. May it be that I just don't have the heart to get into it with you over these things, or may it be that I just feel like debating with someone, it's just that. I'm just argumentative by nature, as I'm sure you are too. I just don't have the heart to put so much effort as you do into all this. To each their own, and I'm not knocking you for it.

You may think this is a cop out, and I'm sure there are some assholes that are going to say so just for the sake of doing it, but I'm a completely different person in the general forums. I act immature, spacey, downright fucking stupid. I'll give you that, but I do it as a release. I work too many hours being a 'professional' to act like that here. Even though I may not act like a professional here, you have my own word that I know what needs to be done, and when it really comes down to moderating I take it seriously. The admins see that, thus it's why I'm still here.

Anyways, DaGuru. I'm done doing this round a bout dance of all the fighting and whatnot. I respect you as a poster, though sometimes I don't agree with your views. I'm not calling you out, I'm just asking that you respect how I view things, as I respect the way you view things. If it's any token, I'm apologizing to you for seeming like a kidiot. I guarentee that I am not. Like I said, it's a release for me to act like such, but I know my job and know what I have to do and I do take it seriously.

My sincere apologies go out to you. I'm just tired of this. I've got enough going on now, I don't need to get involved in things on the internet, where I come to forget all my problems. Can you feel me on this?

Also, could you please knock it off with the personal attacks on my 'mental stability' and such. I'm getting tired of it. I have to live with it every damn day, there is no need to remind me of that all the time, and I just feel like it's a low blow and that we should act just a bit more mature. So please, cut it out with the attacks?

Sorry if this post is all over the place. I'm tired, and I can't concentrate, but I wanted to get the post out to you. I just want to know if you'll accept my apology, and maybe understand what I'm trying to get across. If there is anything that you don't understand, or want to know. You are free to PM me, find me on IRC, or even post it on the boards.

[jackketch]

Both of those infractions are bullshit, and both are warnings. Had you taken the time to look at them you would know that one was simply Meta trying to scare me with his power because he was pissed at me, and the other was incorrectly labeled as "repeatedly posting off topic threads" which was simply not true.

Way to prove to everyone that you are indeed just a HBtard. Although you seem to have forgotten the face palm and fap smileys. How very remiss of you.

[The English Gentleman]

Pathetic. The fact you have to resort to ad hominem attacks


It was not really an ad hominem attack, she was merely telling you where to stuff something, thats not an attack on your argument due to your character. I think you should look up what ad hominem really means. Oh I still think Kinkou resorting to such a crude attack is not becoming of her, but your use of ad hominem is wrong...

[cosmo]

Indeed. What is saddest and most pathetic about Expl0itz's awful modding, is he might be a huge catalyst in proving a lot of people right. You know the mantra being bantered about? "With Meta gone Zoklet is going to dissolve into one HB".

Well with this chump being a mod at one of the most travelled forums on here...that is a VERY strong possibility. He doesn't put out fires, he creates them. And with his insecure and inept usage of his mod tools, he just promotes even more kidiotic foolishness.

Who knows, maybe there are other chapters of this "Purge" that will fix some of these issues and Zoklet will actually have a fighting chance to survive without such frightened, slow, and insignificant people erroneously in the role of moderator????

Only time will tell......:confused:

Sexy.

[Kinkou]

Way to prove to everyone that you are indeed just a HBtard. Although you seem to have forgotten the face palm and fap smileys. How very remiss of you.

:facepalm:

fappy is gone, isn't he?

:facepalm:

haha

[J J The Jet Plane]

Way to prove to everyone that you are indeed just a HBtard. Although you seem to have forgotten the face palm and fap smileys. How very remiss of you.

Once again, I see that you still haven't actually bothered to take a look at the posts the infractions were in reference to.

1) The one virus gave me - Can you find any other post or thread where I posted off topic? Ever? I didn't think so. And yet, if you look at the note, it says I did it repeatedly. I have made a total of one post in his forum, and it was the one he infracted me for.

2) The one meta gave me - I hardly should even have to mention this one since I already made a thread about it and people unanimously agreed that it shouldn't have been locked. Meta infracted me for "organizing criminal activity" because I asked how to hack a forum in "Bad Ideas." Have you gone in that shithole lately? If you infract me on that basis, then what thread in there doesn't fall into that category?

You've once again proven yourself to be nothing more than a stereotyping jackass, who jumps to conclusions without doing a moment of research to back up your claims. And that's the difference between you and me - in every one of the posts I've made against Meta (or otherwise) I have had evidence and/or logical reasoning to back me up. You don't give a shit about either, and that's why you are a moron.

[The English Gentleman]

haha

Dont be laughing at Jackketch...

[Kinkou]

i was actually laughing at you.

:)

[The English Gentleman]

i was actually laughing at you.

:)

No one can laugh at me, at best they get a little sexually aroused.

[Random_Looney]

Thanks, DaGuru.

It was not really an ad hominem attack, she was merely telling you where to stuff something, thats not an attack on your argument due to your character. I think you should look up what ad hominem really means. Oh I still think Kinkou resorting to such a crude attack is not becoming of her, but your use of ad hominem is wrong...

Probabilistically, I've had more Latin than you. I also know the definition as well as derivation of the phrase "ad hominem" and in colloquialised use, such as the meaning following:

"appealing to personal considerations (rather than to fact or reason); "ad hominem arguments" wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

...the use of the phrase was perfectly legitimate. I think you should stop trying to call me out without better supported arguments because you haven't done so successfully yet. You're arguably bordering on a false dichotomy by saying my use of the word is wrong without a qualifying statement as to the source of denotation you're using.

Edit- I mean, honestly. She's trying to paint my motives as selfish and petty. Do I really need to go find my OED or can we agree that motive is connected with character? If I said Kinkou was acting out of power-grabbing, attention-seeking, whining immaturity... that kind of implies just a little about her character. I'm pretty sure she'd have rational reason to take it as an ad hom.

If you want me to be more correct in the juxtaposition of my post, I should have included the statement that it was even more pathetic she lapsed into non-argument. That seems even harsher than just assuming she had an argument in there, to me at least.

[The English Gentleman]

Edit- I mean, honestly. She's trying to paint my motives as selfish and petty. Do I really need to go find my OED or can we agree that motive is connected with character? If I said Kinkou was acting out of power-grabbing, attention-seeking, whining immaturity... that kind of implies just a little about her character. I'm pretty sure she'd have rational reason to take it as an ad hom.

If you want me to be more correct in the juxtaposition of my post, I should have included the statement that it was even more pathetic she lapsed into non-argument. That seems even harsher than just assuming she had an argument in there.

Ok, her calling you petty and selfish (I have not spotted this) then yes that is an ad hominem attack however what you quoted definitely (which told you or someone else where to stick it was not...

p.s. I have a single GCSE in Latin, so yes my knowledge is poor.

[Random_Looney]

Ok, her calling you petty and selfish (I have not spotted this) then yes that is an ad hominem attack however what you quoted definitely (which told you or someone else where to stick it was not...

p.s. I have a single GCSE in Latin, so yes my knowledge is poor.

Cool. Thanks for pointing out my response/quote juxtaposition was inaccurate.

[The English Gentleman]

Cool. Thanks for pointing out my response/quote juxtaposition was inaccurate.

Sex time? Then maybe conversation in my smoking room?

[Vevry]

JJ this is fucking retarded. Stop complaining about the mods, you faggot bitch. You're probably some punk ass kid, getting mad at internet drama. This thread should be locked.

[THIS IS IMPORTANT GODDAMNIT]

Let it die

[ilovechronic]

I can attest that Metaphysicist has always been a stand-up guy, and has gone to bat many times for the underdog, even when he did not have to, and he has put a huge chunk of his personal time into providing you all a platform to enjoy all these years. He is a virtual icon of free speech and community spirit in my eyes, and you will damn well give him the respect that he has fully earned the hard way.

bullshit I will give him NO RESPECT. That douche bag banned me from #totse for me having a different political opinion than him. Hes like a fucking 60 year old child. you have to give respect to get it.

[Leonidas]

Good bump, meta died anyway

[Slave of the Beast]

Nvm, Meta now has his own website which essentially consists of him blogging to an audience of roughly 6 people (two of which are staff), about the new rules and features he has created to keep the 'userbase' happy.

Time to leave him to fester in peace, I think.

[IWD]

I remember this thread. Meta will be back you guys. Mark my words. And everyone who talks shit about him now will have a better chance of not getting away with things later.

[-SpectraL]

bullshit I will give him NO RESPECT. That douche bag banned me from #totse for me having a different political opinion than him. Hes like a fucking 60 year old child. you have to give respect to get it.Sorry to say, you're full of shit. The only way Metaphysicist would have banned you, at that point in time anyways, is if you were being an unnecessarily annoying faggot.

[JREwing]

Sorry to say, you're full of shit. The only way Metaphysicist would have banned you, at that point in time anyways, is if you were being an unnecessarily annoying faggot.

Fuck you spectral, you 49 year old man-child. Meta won't even let you moderate on his forum. I fucking hate Meta for what he did to others, such as WAN, and loads of my other favourite posters, and Internet-Weed Dude is right, he'll be back. Fuck Meta and -Spectral, two pieces of shit. Also anyone involved in thedamagedone at any point in time is basically a shit smear in my eyes.

[-SpectraL]

Fuck you spectral, you 49 year old man-child. Meta won't even let you moderate on his forum. I fucking hate Meta for what he did to others, such as WAN, and loads of my other favourite posters, and Internet-Weed Dude is right, he'll be back. Fuck Meta and -Spectral, two pieces of shit. Also anyone involved in thedamagedone at any point in time is basically a shit smear in my eyes.Now, now, Brutus. Let's not get all angsty with me just because you got butt-hurt. For your information, I'm 46, not 49 (one year older than Meta), and I kamikazed myself there with the full expectation of how Meta would react to it. His goals were in complete opposition to mine, and that was the only real problem between us. Other than that, he's a real stand-up guy... certainly more so than the majority of the fuckups found here. And no.. he'll NEVER be back here. If you don't know that, then you really don't know Metaphysicist. You people were VERY stupid to drive him out.

[JREwing]

You people were VERY stupid to drive him out.

He would have driven our entire userbase away. I remember one time I got involved when he wanted to ban WAN. I never had a fight with meta, but I got involved because he wanted to ban WAN for one reason, when she had actually done something else wrong. He was taking the "forum law" into his own hands. WAN is a decent poster, not someone I think who needs to be banned, and certainly not someone who deserves such harassment. Adults won't tolerate being treated the way you and Meta treat people, hence TDDs loss of users.

[-SpectraL]

He would have driven our entire userbase away. I remember one time I got involved when he wanted to ban WAN. I never had a fight with meta, but I got involved because he wanted to ban WAN for one reason, when she had actually done something else wrong. He was taking the "forum law" into his own hands. WAN is a decent poster, not someone I think who needs to be banned, and certainly not someone who deserves such harassment. Adults won't tolerate being treated the way you and Meta treat people, hence TDDs loss of users.Yes, it's true that Metaphysicist went way overboard with WAN, and I did chastise him for it at the time. But that's where good administration would have been handy, nudging him in the right direction. He was always one to reconsider and undo his errors if there were errors made, given some time to mull it over. The case with WAN was rare, and yes, he did overreact with her, but she did come to him, not the other way around... thus it wasn't "harassment" on his part, as you so quaintly like to put it. There was also the questionable mishandling/disdain of DaGuru's posts to consider, of which I also made comment about many times at the time. But overall, Metaphysicist booted useless tits who liked to treat the boards like rugs to wipe their dirty feet on, and I respected him for that, and his bravery to say fuck the status-quo and boot, and I still do.

[JREwing]

his bravery to say fuck the status-quo and boot, and I still do.

I respect that you think that banning people is a good thing. I don't like authority supressing other peoples free speech.

I liked totse better before Meta came along. I liked zoklet better after he left. I don't like Meta. Simple.

I don't trust anyone who thinks that they're wise enough to know precisely what is best for us. That's why I don't trust you, or Meta.

[-SpectraL]

I respect that you think that banning people is a good thing. I don't like authority supressing other peoples free speech.

I liked totse better before Meta came along. I liked zoklet better after he left. I don't like Meta. Simple.

I don't trust anyone who thinks that they're wise enough to know precisely what is best for us. That's why I don't trust you, or Meta.... and I don't trust people who pander to and encourage wastes of space.

[JREwing]

... and I don't trust people who pander to and encourage wastes of space.

I don't trust myself either. Glad we can reach agreement. *Hugs

[-SpectraL]

Fuck you spectral...There will be no hugs, you masher, and an elephant never forgets. Keep that in mind from here on in, as you go casually along. Word to the wise.

[Shrike]

This thread was worse than that "what's wrong with zoklet" thread. And that's really saying something.

I mean the amount of petty whining that comes from some shitty bland forum! I mean really!

[Kinkou]

its nice to see everyone is still on fire :cool: