People who are "Cracked"

[Afromonk]

Does anyone class anyone else under what i call the "Cracked" behaviour?
I'll explain.
People obviously act different in society and because of different reasons and i put it down to three subsets of mind.
Closed, Blossoming and Cracked.
I use cracked instead of enlightened because enlightened denotes superiority.
:)

Now when i watch someone, i include the way they dress, the body mods they have, the words they use, the walk the have and even the way they sit.
Then i make judgements on their mind set.
Usually people who are fairly conformist to normal society and talk about relevant and easy-going subjects in conversation are closed.
Meaning a closed mind or rather a mind that is either accidentally or purposefully ignorant to the outside world.

Bossoming people are naive.
They see the world half and half.
Therefore their view is manipulated from situation and current mood.

And Finally "Cracked" people have an open mind.
They are the realists and the thinkers.
Even though many of these are the great philosphers, scientists and artists the majority are just crazy.

Now to say people with a more outlandish sense of style and character belong in the cracked definition may be wrong.
Because it is not what they wear (which can be influenced by societies many choke points) but rather the experiences they gain in life.

An example would be xxombie (using her because she is an extreme example)
She has a Cracked mind.
She has suffered stress and traumatic issues, changes her appearance through body modifications and has a conflicting personality.
But her awareness of the world is probably higher than a majority of posters.

My example for a blossoming mind would be my girlfriend.
She has an open mind and can adapt quickly to social interections between different situations.
However she does not divulge in deep thought about the world neither express herself aesthetically as a symbol of individuality.

And most posters will know of people with closed minds.

So in short, does anyone else use this sort of classification system on other people?
And do you think there is improvements?
If so what are the major criticisms in my approach?


(Mods feel free to move this if it would fit better elsewhere)

[Young Meth]

i'm cracked.

[xxombie]

Hahah cool.

I don't like to categorize people at all. But in general I guess you've got an okay assessment going there. I'm proud to fall into the 'cracked' category.

[Afromonk]

Well if someone asked me to categorize someone i would say "no" out of respect and principal.
I wold also add that i don't categorize people.
But secretly evryone does it.

Just i'm sad enough to put mine into three distinct categories.
:)

I would say that i'm cracked and the majority of Zoklet/Totse posters are either Cracked or blossoming.

[PirateJoe]

I, ah, really do, ah, think you're wrong there. The most aware and deepest thinking people I know don't have a conflicting personality nor a desire to differentiate themselves by body modification. Neither have they all had stressful/unconventional upbringings.

I think those traits belong to a completely separate grouping of personality types, which may or may not overlap with your Closed, Blossoming, and Cracked.

Thinking about it right now, I don't think you can really classify the "cracked" personality with anything other than its definition. The level of awareness manifests itself in only (maybe) the level of awareness, and any other likely character traits you attribute to that group are also likely to be flawed.

Though maybe I'm reading this wrong. A clearer definition of what you mean by "closed", "blossoming" and "cracked" might help.

[Dream of the iris]

Yeah they kind of seem a little too general...but I guess thats why they call them generalizations. Honestly, though, I don't see how anyone could categorize themselves given the inevitable bias it would bring forth. I mean, thats like asking someone if they themselves think they're cool. I mean of course most people will say they are because most people like themselves...at least to a point where they can cope with themselves. Anyway I'd like to say I'm cracked but I couldn't possibly know without asking several people who are close to me. The only thing I know is that I know nothing.....yup came up with that line myself boys. Must be cracked...or on crack.

[Agent 008]

I've just been thinking about this as well.

In fact, I was going to create a new thread when I noticed yours.


I've been reading the link that zuperxtreme posted here: http://bbs.zoklet.net/showthread.php?t=10322

And it got me thinking. You know the psychological experiments? I can hardly name one study, where 100% of the subjects behaved in a predicted fashion.

Take that "obedience" experiment. Yes, the majority followed the orders. But some didn't!

Now, what always got to me, is that those experiments de-humanize people. They show, that humans are nothing but basically mindless drones, behaving according to some laws, with no will of their own.

Yet, I couldn't fit myself into that category. I know, you'd say "Ha, everyone thinks that. Everyone thinks they are special - but we are all the same. Just a complex network of neurons."
But I'm not the only one. I know some people - not many, and not the majority, by far, - that seem to be the same. That think for themselves, have their own will, and seem to have a whole different level of awareness.

The "exceptions".

And if you look around - it seems that the same majority % of people that behave predictably in those experiments correlates with the majority of people that you look at, and they seem to be hardly even human.

Has anyone else had thoughts like that? That some people have a true consciousness, and others don't (or don't use it? or have one that's weaker?)?

Does that make any sense, or am I just delusional/bitter because I don't want to accept I'm a biorobot?

[JChifty]

Some people can be complete retards though and we all know what they are going to do next.

[PirateJoe]

Has anyone else had thoughts like that? That some people have a true consciousness, and others don't (or don't use it? or have one that's weaker?)?

Does that make any sense, or am I just delusional/bitter because I don't want to accept I'm a biorobot?

I have noticed that, but I think you have to be really, really carefully when you decide who's got it and who doesn't. And I think you have to be especially careful when applying it to yourself. A lot of people wouldn't like to think themselves biological machines, and yet they are (maybe?). And when you consider that those people whom you call biological machines have their own consciousness, their own thoughts and shit, I mean really comprehend that, then it makes it real hard to put yourself in a group apart from others.

Take me for example. The archetypal totsean, bored of school, comprehended all that stuff easily ya know? Kind of a loner etc. Point being it kinda fostered that sense in me that I was one of "those" people. And I got used to having that feeling. Then one day my eyes were completely opened and I saw how wrong I had been, really, like, really blasphemously wrong. Like even now I cringe at the thought of it.

But point being, that general feeling, the desire, of superiority never went away and to this day I sometimes can't tell if I'm doing something because I think that will make me "that" person or because I just want to. And then THAT knowledge, THAT awareness (which I, probably mistakenly, called self awareness in that other thread on happiness, if you remember), is the devil.

Okay so a little off topic but lets get back to it, my ultimate point is pretty much twofold.

1) Its a spectrum. I've had people refer to me on a couple occasions as one of "those" guys. I would know they were wrong, but it goes to show how easily people can misinterpret other people. If they can make that mistake about me then surely I can make the same mistake severalfold. But the fact that they think that of me must mean that they 'get it' even less than me (makes sense, the people that said this about me really didn't have much of a clue (maybe?)). And no doubt that spectrum extends way beyond(above) me.

2) The only thing I know is that I know nothing.....
Yep, this. A real good friend of mine , who I discussed stuff like this at length with for a long time, most definitely one of the people that get it, leastwise get it more than I do, we pretty much came to this conclusion. See I know myself better than anyone else I know. But even then there's that ambiguity, my vision of myself, that I can't quite pin down. Sometime I'll think that, man, what the hell am I doing? I don't know shit. But other times I'll think that maybe these thoughts are what make those people those people (usually when I'm tired or drunk, heh). But basically, I don't know, I can't say, even for myself. And if I can't say for myself, I most surely can't say for other people.

And of course I don't know you, you could be one of those people for all I know, but at least for myself I've made the mistake of thinking of most other people as robots, and, and when shown the error of my ways... well I really, really don't want to be making that same mistake again. So the way I see it is, either I'm a robot, or the people who are robots make up a smaller portion of the population than most people that think about people being robots think.

Oh lawd. see, how hard it is to get away from that kind of thinking? I've already differentiated myself from two groups of people in this post alone. gah. :facepalm:

[Agent 008]

Another thing, is that I think I understand what goes inside the head of some people, but have no idea about the others.
That probably has a lot to do with it. Like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn41C9mFpGM


Meh, I'll go get some sleep. I think I'm talking bollocks now.

[JChifty]

Yeah some people are easier to relate to than others.

[pickletacofan]

meh i feel like i'm better then most people (as in more complete not superior) because I don't give a shit about much plus I intentionally troll in my classes just to sound like an idiot and boost public confidence and making sure I have no regrets.

[Cliche Guevara]

I like this, I agree a little general. But for the most everyone will fall into those three catagories.

I'm definitely "cracked" I suppose, the drugs, they have opened my mind. (which I don't think is a good thing all the time). It sucks its like you see everything from the non individual mindset, at varying degrees. Sometimes I'm very into myself and sometimes I just sit back and wonder where this all heading. (if you know what i mean..)

[Afromonk]

Everyone will have different opinions on this.
But for those who thought long and hard about these categorizations see how you can be put into the "cracked" category?
You thought long and hard about people, the world and its biases.
Someone with a closed mind wold of not done this.

It is purely an idea i have that is in its infancy.
As time increases i will probably add more to it.

[ArmsMerchant]

Verily is it written, judge not, lest ye be judged.

[Agent 008]

Verily is it written, judge not, lest ye be judged.

Interesting, how Taoism seems to have similar ideas.

[PirateJoe]

. Sometimes I'm very into myself and sometimes I just sit back and wonder where this all heading. (if you know what i mean..)

Maybe. Could you elaborate?

[reallystupidstuff]

M'i dekcarc... Dna ton ekil a taerg rehposolihp tsuj gnikrab dam.

AH AH AH AH AH AH AH!!

[capn-chronic]

I think i'm cracked. You can't really categorize people entirely because everyone is different in there own way.

[Darkerofthemind]

Everyone will have different opinions on this.
But for those who thought long and hard about these categorizations see how you can be put into the "cracked" category?
You thought long and hard about people, the world and its biases.
Someone with a closed mind wold of not done this.

It is purely an idea i have that is in its infancy.
As time increases i will probably add more to it.

Please do. I have kind of thought in a similar manner about the 'cracked' and 'closedminded'. It is good to see your idea put into text like this.

[Death_Merchant]

Most people are closed-minded. They might question things, but I know of literally less than a handful of users here I'd consider to be open-minded.

Most users don't like these people, cause they take many of the so-called open-minded people out of their comfort zone of open-mindedness. If you're only open-minded within your limits of comfort, you are a close-minded hypocrite. Being open-minded isn't a range, either you are or you aren't. Some may be willing to explore more things within their closed mind, but this isn't open-minded. An open-minded person has no limits to thought, and anything else is a closed mind. A person who is willing to be open to the idea that god doesn't exist, but can't be open minded about a more controversial and socially unacceptable topic like pedophilia, isn't open-minded. An open minded person can come to ideas, but never a conclusion.

I'm an open-minded person. I'm here to discuss issues more than I am to conclude them. I learn a lot. I study 2+hours 3-7 days a week, and the more I learn, the more I know that conclusions can't really be reached about most things, for the simple reason there is almost always more than one way to do things. All I can ever do is give my best answer from the knowledge I have.

I find that most people are all the same. They'll expand their areas of thought as it becomes necessary to do so, and this can range a lot from person to person. An truly open mind is a very rare thing though, and there is only one kind of open mind. Does it have more value though. Depends what works best for you. Really, it's just a personal thing, and we are what we are cause it's where we find our content within the world. So really, we're all equal, cause we're doing all the same thing, in many ways, which someone with a truly open mind can accept, but never conclude completely.

I can accept that for one person. Believing in god and rejecting all other things may seem insane, but it's a stable version of reality that they can use to center themselves. Some want to explore beyond it, but not everything. Some people need to do this to be stable and content. Others don't want to accept anything, and only want to explore within the reaches of their mind, completely unbiased if possible. This is where they find their place in things. See, it's amazing how we're all doing the same thing in many ways, and all the choices are good, bad, and beyond semantics. At the same time, I must also say, that it's just my view of things, and you can view it however you like.

[Dream of the iris]

YOUR IDEAS SUCK AND A REFUSE TO ACCEPT THEM! jk lol. So am I open minded guys? Or am I just another brick in the wall? I mean I don't know how any of you guys can tell this about yourselves. It's like saying your cool. I mean how do you know if your cool or not when you inevitably have to accept yourself...that or die.

[Death_Merchant]

YOUR IDEAS SUCK AND A REFUSE TO ACCEPT THEM! jk lol. So am I open minded guys? Or am I just another brick in the wall? I mean I don't know how any of you guys can tell this about yourselves. It's like saying your cool. I mean how do you know if your cool or not when you inevitably have to accept yourself...that or die.

I am cool. I just know it, cause I have edge, which makes me cool.

But seriously, I know I'm open minded because I think about everything and all it's possibilities, and think about new ways of thinking about things when they are proposed. I simply never except anything as knowledge, but that everything is open to new ways of thinking about it, and that I can't necessarily foresee these things.