Best way to defuse a bomb?

[Lysergic Rain]

I mean, we all know that you should always cut the blue wire and never the green one.

But seriously, any tips? Is there like an CIA field manual for defusing bombs that got leaked online or something like that?

[InspiredByMe]

Call nuke.

[Bleeding Kansas]

I like to go long A and have my team mates search for the T's while I defuse the bomb.

[Butcher]

I wonder how many bomb makers out there actually try and make their bombs tricky and dangerous to defuse. I imagine most terrorists just rely on concealment and the element of surprise.

[Mudokon Farmer]

1) Jump up and down on the explosive to assess the threat.

2) Use a drill to reveal the inner workings of the device.

3) Repeat step 1.

4) If the bomb has not been defused, your only option is to molotov it.

[FrY]

Just read the CIA manuel that leaked online.

[Animal Farm Pig]

Clear the area and blow it up.

[freak]

if you didn't buy a defuse kit and its beeping really fast you're fucked. you gotta make it there early but if your in the middle of the map you just gotta guess where its at. if you guess wrong you're also fucked. and then the worst is if you're the last one left and there's a ton of terrorists camping the bombsite, then you gotta go for the ninja defuse.

[usernameunavailable]

Make sure there is only one detonator, then remove it.

[FrY]

So where is the bomb you have to defuse.

[Mantikore]

1) do not touch the bomb
2) get everyone out of area, the size which depends on how big the bomb looks
3) call the cops

if you have to ask, you shouldnt be doing this sort of stuff

[Lysergic Rain]

So where is the bomb you have to defuse.

Strapped to my chest...I'm too afraid to go talk to the Americans on the other side of the barricade. Dfg, you live anywhere near Miranshah? Maybe you can help me out man...

[virgil caine]

get your phone call someone who kows what they are doing alternativly if it is small throw it away from you if it is big run away from it

[ComradeAsh]

Use your bomb defusing kit.

[The Savage]

I have no experience with it, but i've seen the hurt locker TWICE!

If it's simple wad of C4 + Detonator or something of the sort, just remove the det, throw it away for a hungry afghani to chew on, and bobs ya fathers sister.

[Powdered Toast Man please]

best way is like, take ur penis oout right. put it in a dudes mouth.

[Rolf]

The red wire, states Rolf.

[LavaRed]

Just remove the power sources. All of them. Just yank out all the wires at the same time.

[nuclearrabbit]

Call nuke.

http://i43.tinypic.com/207szf8.png
I got this.

It all depends on how the fuze functions. If it's something like an electronic timer I'll probably shoot it to disrupt the circuit and or try to disconnect the detonator from and power source. If it's like a mechanical timer I'll probably shoot it to disrupt the mechanism and or try to disconnect the detonator from the initiator. There's no one way to do anything but the easiest is to just blow it in place. :mad:

[The Cheshire Cat]

Understand circuitry, and you understand how to defuse it. That is, if it's self detonating and so forth. Mechanical is the same way, yo. Movies really make it seem way too complicated. "OMFG look at all this wire! He's got backups on backups of backups wired into a remote detonator that's encrypted and double spider looped into the main data frame". Really though, who goes through that much shit to make a bomb that you can easily hide?

[YoungSharky0000]

best way is like, take ur penis oout right. put it in a dudes mouth.

^^^that got quite gay:mad:

i don't really know how i got here, i've never defused a bomb in my life:confused:

[ilovechronic]

get your phone call someone who kows what they are doing alternativly if it is small throw it away from you if it is big run away from it


if the bomb had a remote detonator woudn't it be a bad idea to use nything emitting an electronic frequency?

[The Savage]

http://i43.tinypic.com/207szf8.png
I got this.

Damn, nuke IS the hurt locker! :D

It all depends on how the fuze functions. If it's something like an electronic timer I'll probably shoot it to disrupt the circuit and or try to disconnect the detonator from and power source. If it's like a mechanical timer I'll probably shoot it to disrupt the mechanism and or try to disconnect the detonator from the initiator. There's no one way to do anything but the easiest is to just blow it in place. :mad:

I like the way you think ;) .

[Unnecessary~surgery]

Dont cut the red wire

[blindbat]

actually the only best way is to get liquid nitrogen and freeze the bomb .:cool:

[Archetype]

Only an idiot would colour-code the wires and display the battery connections and electronic components for all the world to see.

[Infernus]

You have to move VERY slowly, in fact, we use robots for this shit for a reason. Assuming you manage to get to the bob, get any cover off, and can see it all, without killing yourself. The rest is easy lol

If mechanical, stop it
If electronic, stop it

lol

[Firemind]

I mean, we all know that you should always cut the blue wire and never the green one.

But seriously, any tips? Is there like an CIA field manual for defusing bombs that got leaked online or something like that?

I found a file on totse that said they use liquid nitrogen to freeze the energy source to prevent it from igniting/triggering. No, proof tho.

[Firemind]

Strapped to my chest...I'm too afraid to go talk to the Americans on the other side of the barricade. Dfg, you live anywhere near Miranshah? Maybe you can help me out man...

You watch too much 24.

[SHARP]

Blow it in situ, or be better than the guy who built it, that's basically the two options you have.
As it is possible to create something so nasty you wouldn't be able to render it safe without setting it off, there's not really one universally true way to do it, but the more you know about what little nasty surprises could be included, the better a chance you stand.

[Noodlesauce McGregor]

I mean, we all know that you should always cut the blue wire and never the green one.

But seriously, any tips? Is there like an CIA field manual for defusing bombs that got leaked online or something like that?

I think it's more complex than the OP assumes. All IED's will be different, and there are no simple ways like cutting a particular colour of wire. You need to be trained and know a great deal about the engineering of them to be able to defuse them effectively, without asploding yourself

[Cliche Guevara]

run upto it before the timer and press E and don't move.

edit: somebody already made a counter strike joke :(

[123123123]

my apologies I am forced to remove all my posts,
you are now watched by authorities

[13579]

actually the only best way is to get liquid nitrogen and freeze the bomb .:cool:

SNAKEEEEEEEE!!!!!

[Kegtapper]

run away or commit suicide.. hahaha theres no point in defusing your own death unless your truely sucidal

or plan 4 --- "not what id do" id call a police to do that because im a girll " acou

[Irukanji]

An IED is best left to explode by itself. Anything with one of those push-in squibs i guess you could just pull the fucker out. But basically, remove the detonator = no main explosion. Hell, you could even use a knife to cut around the C4/semtex/generic mass-produced plastic explosive....blue wire, red wire....what asshattery is this. No self respecting bomber would ever use different colours....

You could cut the wires from the battery, but i had a little alarm once that would emit a "beep!" when you took the batteries out, so removing any wires to/from the explosives would ideally be your best option. As would sticking it into a large body of water

Just an idea, you could make a small spark gap, and surrounding it is a tube. The tube has a vacuum inside it. Now, when our favourite police desploders(kevlar with a man inside) come along and attempt to open it, it breaks the little tube(glass, i guess) releasing the vacuum and allowing air to come in and trigger the spark gap and thus asploding the device and making the kevlar clad dude go "Weeeeeeeeeeeeee" over the room(or street). Like those little robots with the water cannon to destroy the timer/etc would hit it with the water cannon and the vial would break and BOOM. Alternatively, you do the same idea except the entire box IS the vacuum. So when the bomb squad goes to open it to try and defuse it, it explodes.

[1983]

There are five main types of triggering mechanisms tripwire, pressure mats, spring-loaded release, push, pull or tilt. These can be a bother to set up and pose a risk to the devices handler but properly utilized are quite deadly.

You also have radio controlled or direct line where an operator will usually be within sight or nearby to trigger the device. These can be set up quickly as they are usually prefabricated and the area of operations has already been staked out.

As for timed devices they are set and forget. Also prefabricated have just to be set and left in a desired place until detonation.

And for all those fancy Hollywood explosives they’d be known as an infernal device. Basically the more complex you get the bulkier and heavier your device gets and the fewer explosives you’ll be able to set into your device, that’s why IEDs are kept simple. Also because of cost and available materials.

As for ways of defusing them there are many different ways:
Detonate in place has been mentioned.
ROV with water cannon has been mentioned
Specialized magnesium flares to burn out the explosive.
Freezing with Liquid nitrogen has been mentioned.
Manually defusing the charge has been mentioned.
Shooting it has been mentioned.
Inserting a holding pin if it's a mine or grenade.
I've heard of a shape charge with a magnesium cone they're testing.
I've also at one point read about two inert chemicals but when mixed create a foam used for detonating landmines in place.
Operator fucks up. (Detonates while trying to set it)

Chances are there's way more than what I've mentioned... Main thing is if something is found get away from it clear the areas of any potential hazards and call the proper authorities to deal with it.

Al

[A2L5C19F]

LMAO I love how people think it's "cut the red wire" or whatever. Every bomb is going to be different that's why EOD teams have to assess the situation which for example in Iraq and Afghanistan if clear the area and blow it up, no need to risk soldier just to diffuse an IED but with bigger bombs well I have no idea but the point is EVERY bomb is different.

[KingOfTheTrolls]

If it's triggered by a cell phone, I know you can put a jammer in the proximity to buy you more time

[Psynthetic]

Step 1: Order Jimmy John's

Step 2: Spill your drink on the bomb

[ComradeAsh]

LMAO I love how people think it's "cut the red wire" or whatever. Every bomb is going to be different that's why EOD teams have to assess the situation which for example in Iraq and Afghanistan if clear the area and blow it up, no need to risk soldier just to diffuse an IED but with bigger bombs well I have no idea but the point is EVERY bomb is different.

Oh heavens no, not the green one.

[Virus]

Cut the power source(s)

[Dfg]

Cut the red wires, like in the movies. Shit always works.

[JoePedo]

Dismantle the device with an arc welder.

[888]

Pull your handy dandy fucking laptop out of the sky and press and hold a button for 5 seconds .

[Actor]

Just pray to God that bomb be disarmed/defused. Thats what i'd do.

[cheech]

First you isolate the red wire. Make sure it is not touching anything. Make sure you have only the red wire in your hand. Then you cut the blue wire.

[A2L5C19F]

First you take out your cock, then place it on the chopping board, strike it at a 90 degree angle with a butchers knife, dispose of it carefully. THERE. You have disposed of your...................wait am I on the right thread.

[Nerd Fangs]

1. Pour liquid nitrogen on the explosives.

2. I dunno cut the wires off or some shit. Easy enough.

[Vega]

I wonder how many bomb makers out there actually try and make their bombs tricky and dangerous to defuse.

There was this bomb (http://www.fbi.gov/page2/august09/harveys082609.html).

TO THE MANAGEMENT:

STERN WARNING TO THE MANAGEMENT AND BOMB SQUAD:

Do not move or tilt this bomb, because the mechanism controlling the detonators in it will set it off at a movement of less than .01 of the open end Ricter scale. Don’t try to flood or gas the bomb. There is a float switch and an atmospheric pressure switch set at 26.00-33.00. Both are attached to detonators. Do not try to take it apart. The flathead screws are also attached to triggers and as much as ¼ to ¾ of a turn will cause an explosion. In other words this bomb is so sensitive that the slightest movement either inside or outside will cause it to explode.

This bomb can never be dismantled or disarmed without causing an explosion. Not even by the creator. Only by proper instruction can it be moved to a safe place where it can be deliberately exploded, or where the third automatic timer can be allowed to detonate it. There are three automatic timers each set for three different explosion times. Only if you comply with the instructions in this letter will you be given instructions on how to disconnect the first two automatic timers and how to move the bomb to a place where it can be exploded safely.

WARNING:

I repeat do not try to move, disarm, or enter this bomb. It will explode.

If exploded this bomb contains enough TNT to severely damage Harrahs across the street. This should give you some idea of the amount of TNT contained within this box. It is full of TNT. It is our advice to cordon off a minimum of twelve hundred feet radius and remove all people from that area.

[lukegwaters]

If one of the wire diffuses the bomb and the other sets it off, just cut both to set off a logic paradox and end this universe, thus ending the bomb contained in our universe.

Seriously though, I'm pretty sure it depends WHICH bomb...

[lukegwaters]

There was this bomb (http://www.fbi.gov/page2/august09/harveys082609.html).

AWESOME READ!

[FlamingPope]

Radio in Chuck Norris

[1983]

Such an awesome plan foiled by a license plate... sucks man really sucks.

Al

[sepht]

put it in a bomb proof box to negate the splosion

[Death Snuggle]

I mean, we all know that you should always cut the blue wire and never the green one.

But seriously, any tips? Is there like an CIA field manual for defusing bombs that got leaked online or something like that?

Seriously, any homemade device or bomb maker worth his salt won't use multicolored wiring. It's cheaper and more complexing to defuse.

You have to figure out how it is set up and if there are any fail-safe mechanism or timers. Your best bet is to look into CIA/military based IEDs and how they're built. Then deconstruct it and find ways around fail-safe mechanisms.

I know how I would build a device if I were to need something as such, but after I built it I know their would be no way for me to disable it.

Hell, bomb squads either detonate the device in containment, attempt to use liquid nitrogen to disrupt the electronics, or detonate in place if it is deemed to sensitive or dangerous to move.

[OmmEGGA]

Best way to defuse a bomb is to defuse it.

[Irukanji]

Remove the detonator/squib, move the main explosive charge to a safe spot, then cover the detonator with a few sandbags, and wait.

[Irukanji]

If the device is on concrete, obtain a drill with a 1" drill masonry piece. Then, place a large dome over the device, being careful not to touch the device. The steel dome will weigh between 200 and 250kg's of carefully machined steel. The dome will then be bolted to the floor, using high tensile steel bolts. Then, you wait. If it worked, the bomb will explode inside of the steel dome, thus rendering it safe.

Should you will it with water to force the pressure down into the concrete? Or maybe sand....

[Larva]

Even the pros rarely 'disarm' bombs any more unless it's the absolute last possible solution, because someone is probably going to get blown into a fine mist. That shit is dangerous.

You pick it up, put it in a nice heavy metal box, drive it somewhere safe, drop it in a ditch and pile a shitton more explosives around it, and blow it to hell.

[tariel]

I've heard of them using steam to remove the main explosive filler. They did it to a large un detonated WW2 bomb a while ago, they're finding that stuff all the time here.

[-SpectraL]

The colors of the wires don't matter at all. It's only the lead and terminal points that matter, and also what order they are disconnected.

[Jesus Stamos]

Not readin' any replies......With your dick is by far the best way in my experience.

[is all mememememe with me]

i wouldnt know that much about diffusing complex bombs but if i had to do something i guess i'd try and cut away as much of the explosive as possible without actually touching the detonator or the device itself thus making it a much less powerful bomb. hopefully if the bombmaker had used the right amount of explosive to do the job it will now not be powerful enough to do the intended damage. course i'm sure the bomb squad would have already thought of that. plus i guess you'd still need to be careful, for all i know wires could have been moulded inside the plastic which would set it off if you cut through them too.

[Dread_Lord]

I mean, we all know that you should always cut the blue wire and never the green one.

But seriously, any tips? Is there like an CIA field manual for defusing bombs that got leaked online or something like that?

How long is a piece of string?

[-SpectraL]

i wouldnt know that much about diffusing complex bombs but if i had to do something i guess i'd try and cut away as much of the explosive as possible without actually touching the detonator or the device itself thus making it a much less powerful bomb. hopefully if the bombmaker had used the right amount of explosive to do the job it will now not be powerful enough to do the intended damage. course i'm sure the bomb squad would have already thought of that. plus i guess you'd still need to be careful, for all i know wires could have been moulded inside the plastic which would set it off if you cut through them too.



Depends on what the payload consists of. Some of that shit, you even scratch it and BOOM.

Then again, you can lay a stick of dynamite on hot coals, and as long as it burns evenly, it won't explode. People have used them for firewood.

[is all mememememe with me]

yeah plastic explosive will burn, troops have used C4 to cook on in the past. its not like gunpowder, you actually have to have the detonator to cause the reaction to explode. of course i wouldn't recommend setting fire to plastic if it has a detonator in it, lol.

[Darkhunter]

The colors of the wires don't matter at all. It's only the lead and terminal points that matter, and also what order they are disconnected.

Its even worse then the bomb maker is smart and makes all the wires the same color.

[Dread_Lord]

It's not really a difficult thing to understand. Somewhere in that bomb there is a power source. Batteries or something.
Wires go from the batteries to a device that, let's say a PCB or a a walkie talkie or cell phone, acts as conditional operator / switch. When the switch is activated this allows power to flow from the battery to the detonator which sets off the explosion.

A simple example is two wires coming from the battery. One of these wires goes to a detonator and connects to one terminal on the detonator.
The other wire, as soon as it touches the second terminal on the detonator, will cause the the circuit to close, sending juice to the detonator causing the detonator to explode.
The switch is the device that is somewhere between the battery and the second terminal and is waiting for a condition to occur before closing the circuit (touching the wire to the second terminal).

Want to disarm the explosive? Cut the wires leading to the power source.

In the movies there are always traps and whatnot. Yes, this can occur, but chances are it's not going to.

In any case a "trap" would simply consist of a secondary circuit that closes if certain conditions are met.
For instance say you have a device that is rigged to be triggered by a cell phone call.
This device is in a box.
The cell phone is the first circuit that can close and trigger the explosive.
The second circuit is on the lid of the box and if said lid is lifted it closes the second circuit and can also trigger the bomb.

Obviously you would first have to cut the wire for the first circuit (doesn't matter which it's a circuit), and then open the box and cut the second wire.

Note that if there are more than one wires leading to any one terminal on the detonator there are likely more than one circuits.

A bomb maker with electronics expertise can make the kind of bombs that you don't attempt to fuck with. Given that there are tons of devices you can use in electronics to detect different conditions and respond to them you just can't really fuck around with such devices. In almost any situation involving a complex detonating device a bomb technician will destroy the entire device through explosion rather than attempt a disarm.

You could very easily rig an explosive device to go off if someone cuts a wire. You can even set it to go off it it detects heat, light, movement, or an array of environmental changes.

Overall, movies make defusing explosives appear complicated, but the reality is it's usually very simple.

[ZappaFan]

Im not quite sure, but I do know a wrong way to defuse a bomb...

Ask Michael J. Fox to do it.

[is all mememememe with me]

Want to disarm the explosive? Cut the wires leading to the power source.

In the movies there are always traps and whatnot. Yes, this can occur, but chances are it's not going to.



well why didn't the bomb squad think of that duh :rolleyes:

i guess thats fine if you are ok with taking a chance that there isnt actually a secondary power source hidden in there somewhere that will blow if the main source is cut. you know, like what they have in alarm systems. its quite simply a switch that is held open by an electro-magnet. if the main source is cut so is the electro magnet which then allows the switch to close. that switch then sends juice to the detonator and BOOM !!! ..it would be a sloppy bomb maker that went to all the trouble of making a bomb and not including one. the extra time it took the defuser to work around this could decide whether your bombing attack was successful or not. also there is the fact that a complete unexploded bomb would give the forensics much more evidence to lead back to you. exploded bomb parts are bad enough but in tact that thing is practically like your fingerprint.

[LegalizeSpiritualDiscovry]

Equip your bomb defuse kit and hold 'E'.

[is all mememememe with me]

if i was a bomb maker my devices would have one of them sitting on top facing out at any approaching bomb defuser

http://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/441170591/China_pir_sensor_Infrared_Motion_detector_Wireless .jpg

defuse that motherfucker !!

[Dread_Lord]

if i was a bomb maker my devices would have one of them sitting on top facing out at any approaching bomb defuser

http://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/441170591/China_pir_sensor_Infrared_Motion_detector_Wireless .jpg

defuse that motherfucker !!

The problem is, the more complex you make the device the more likely you are to trigger it in set up.

[LegalizeSpiritualDiscovry]

The problem is, the more complex you make the device the more likely you are to trigger it in set up.

Lol especially with that motion detector. I can imagine that thing going off as soon as you're done setting it up and go to walk away.

[is all mememememe with me]

thats why you have the on switch set up on a time delay or a cell phone, then make sure you are no where near it when you turn it on.

on a second note, you do know that every time we post the word bomb on here we are flagging up on some fbi computer dont you. were all gonna be listed on their terrorists watchlist next.

[Dread_Lord]

thats why you have the on switch set up on a time delay or a cell phone, then make sure you are no where near it when you turn it on.

on a second note, you do know that every time we post the word bomb on here we are flagging up on some fbi computer dont you. were all gonna be listed on their terrorists watchlist next.

FBI computers lol.

[Darkhunter]

thats why you have the on switch set up on a time delay or a cell phone, then make sure you are no where near it when you turn it on.

on a second note, you do know that every time we post the word bomb on here we are flagging up on some fbi computer dont you. were all gonna be listed on their terrorists watchlist next.

That's your objective isn't it commie?

[is all mememememe with me]

FBI computers lol.

well you know how things are now, just talking hypothetically about something like this makes you a criminal these days.

did you know if you say the word bomb on the phone it automatically starts monitoring your calls. same with president and some other words.

[LegalizeSpiritualDiscovry]

well you know how things are now, just talking hypothetically about something like this makes you a criminal these days.

did you know if you say the word bomb on the phone it automatically starts monitoring your calls. same with president and some other words.

If this is true, it must be only true of landlines, no? How could they do this with cell phones? Actually, I'm sure they could just use satellites somehow to monitor cell phone calls when they want to.

[Darkhunter]

well you know how things are now, just talking hypothetically about something like this makes you a criminal these days.

did you know if you say the word bomb on the phone it automatically starts monitoring your calls. same with president and some other words.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/05/31/what_are_those_words/

[is all mememememe with me]

If this is true, it must be only true of landlines, no? How could they do this with cell phones? Actually, I'm sure they could just use satellites somehow to monitor cell phone calls when they want to.

even cell phone calls go through the telephone exchange the same as any other call. these now are just huge computers that hook up the calls and can perform pretty much any function you want them too. so its just a sound detector thats set to pick up the sound pattern of the words which then automatically puts them through to the fbi or hsa. i know the US definitely has this, they have done for years now, im pretty sure they use it here too. im pretty sure its set to pick the words up in most languages also. the US is way more like communist east germany than people realize.

[Darkhunter]

the US is way more like communist east germany than people realize.

Since you wholeheartedly believe this you could source information couldn't you?

[LegalizeSpiritualDiscovry]

Since you wholeheartedly believe this you could source information couldn't you?

My gods, you're a fucking moron. Not every opinion stated needs a source to back it up. There's no legitimate source out there that's going to say, "We have scientifically verified that the US is like Communist East Germany." Just fucking look around you.

[Darkhunter]

My gods, you're a fucking moron. Not every opinion stated needs a source to back it up. There's no legitimate source out there that's going to say, "We have scientifically verified that the US is like Communist East Germany." Just fucking look around you.

:picard:

Of course you would believe that for getting arrested after freaking out on your mother while on MXE or some other drug for drinking your stolen coffee. You should not have been released and instead have been committed for your drug addiction until you had a clean system and could see that your addiction is the cause of a lot of your issues.

[is all mememememe with me]

My gods, you're a fucking moron. Not every opinion stated needs a source to back it up. There's no legitimate source out there that's going to say, "We have scientifically verified that the US is like Communist East Germany." Just fucking look around you.

yep, even building your own 'berlin wall' along the mexican border. that with the strictest visa admission policy in the world and your gonna become a very isolated country. that sucks man.

take no notice of dh, hes just a troll. i put him on ignore and now zok is so much better.

[Darkhunter]

yep, even building your own 'berlin wall' along the mexican border. that with the strictest visa admission policy in the world and your gonna become a very isolated country. that sucks man.

take no notice of dh, hes just a troll. i put him on ignore and now zok is so much better.

:picard:

That's why you refuse to answer my question because you cant face me. So sad really.

Maybe if the illegals came here legally I'd have sympathy for them. instead they detract from the general populace's chances at work. Notice the areas where illegals live have high unemployment rates?

[Irukanji]

I already posted so I can put some stupid ideas in.

1. Cut the red wire
2. Cut the piece of detcord if applicable and remove the main explosive charge(unless the dude was being a funny cunt and encased the whole detonation mechanism inside the explosives)
3. It is always the green wire. Cut that one first.
4. Use an oxy-acetylene torch to melt the explosives away from the detonator(lolwat)
5. Pick up the device and throw it in to the nearest clothing collection bin. Those fuckers will get 50 clothes for the price of 1 this way.
6. Piss on it.
7. Shit on it.
8. Call an airstrike on its location
9. Ask people from the old BB to come and attempt to defuse it. Watch as we get into a shit-fight and the bomb goes off much to our delight.
10. Ignore everything above. Cut the white wire and then stick one hand over your balls and one hand over your face and hope for the best.

How to trickses the EOD guy;

1. Heatshrink tube all the wires together.
2. Boobytrap the device the same way they teach to boobytrap anti-tank mines and the like.
3. Use 7 different colours of wire, all representing the negative, and use 14 for the positive. This way, it will obscure the view of the inside, resulting in mass trolling to the EOD guy.

No rly, dont listen to Irukanji.

[is all mememememe with me]

3. Use 7 different colours of wire, all representing the negative, and use 14 for the positive. This way, it will obscure the view of the inside, resulting in mass trolling to the EOD guy.

or just use the same color wire on all connections. not that it matters as no EOD guy will just pick a color and cut. if they were going to do that they will track the wires back to work out which is which. just randomly cutting a wire would at most be a last few seconds gamble by an EOD that had left it far too late to withdraw before detonation.

[Darkhunter]

or just use the same color wire on all connections. not that it matters as no EOD guy will just pick a color and cut. if they were going to do that they will track the wires back to work out which is which. just randomly cutting a wire would at most be a last few seconds gamble by an EOD that had left it far too late to withdraw before detonation.

Huh I even said all colors.

[-SpectraL]

Drop it into a plastic bucket of water.

[Snoopy]

By shitting on it. Worst case scenario bomb goes off, but at least everything will be covered in shit.

[is all mememememe with me]

isn't there any kind of liquids that would melt or dissolve plastic explosives. something that could be poured over melting away the plastic and leaving the detonator and device harmlessly behind?

what about detonators. aren't they made using gunpowder or similar. wouldn't cutting into this and wetting the powder inside render it inactive?

[Irukanji]

isn't there any kind of liquids that would melt or dissolve plastic explosives. something that could be poured over melting away the plastic and leaving the detonator and device harmlessly behind?

what about detonators. aren't they made using gunpowder or similar. wouldn't cutting into this and wetting the powder inside render it inactive?

Gunpowder doesn't generate enough power to detonate insensitive explosives. Something like AP or mercury fulminate(or whatever your favourite homebrew picrate salt is) will do the trick, but gunpowder will just fizzle and waste your time usually.

[SHARP]

You can build a bomb that can't be neutralized short of detonating it on site, everyone who knows what they're talking about knows it, and everyone who's monitoring this thread knows it.

Just let it die already...

[Leshrac]

Hah. I always thought about a way to make something un-defuseable.

Step one : Put a commercial remote activated motion-sensor alarm into a little plastic bag like a ziploc, wired to your detonator. -- UNARMED YOU STUPID FUCK --. (Activation depends of your style. It can be anything. Motion activated, remote activated, phone, it's endless !)

Step two : "Shell" said bag and detonator with a plasticized explosive. RDX, NG/NC, whatever you like. Your device now looks like a harmless playdoh brick.

Step three : Put it somewhere and arm it with the remote that came along.


If you want to taunt LE/Bombsquad you can always put on a FAKE detonator/ignition source on the outside with lots and lots and lots of wire around it and write "good luck" on it. :D

[Ph0x]

The best way is to get everyone the fuck away from it then shoot the piss out of it. If that doesnt work you just put some c4 on it.

[james_brawn]

Liquid nitrogen isn't available at the corner store, but it is a standard part of a bomb-maker's workshop. It's also useful for diffusing explosives. On a well-made bomb, you can forget about cutting wires. Any decent bomb-maker will make sure that the important wires are impossible to reach. Freeze the detonator, though, and you can usually remove it safely. Of course, "usually" is not a word you want to hear when you're working with explosives.

[-SpectraL]

Explosives often react totally opposite of what you would think they would. For example, you can lay a stick of dynamite on hot coals, and as long as the heat is evenly distributed across the coals and the dynamite stick is laid flat, it won't explode. Rather, it will burn slowly just like a small fire log right down to ashes. Soldiers in World War 2 used this very method to stay warm at night. They had no wood but lots of dynamite.

[888]

Hold X

[reject]

Get someone else to do it.

[iMagiNation]

Explosives often react totally opposite of what you would think they would. For example, you can lay a stick of dynamite on hot coals, and as long as the heat is evenly distributed across the coals and the dynamite stick is laid flat, it won't explode. Rather, it will burn slowly just like a small fire log right down to ashes. Soldiers in World War 2 used this very method to stay warm at night. They had no wood but lots of dynamite.

source?

[reject]

Works with c4 too, soldiers used to cook with that and shit.

Source? Totse text files IIRC.

[-SpectraL]

source?I got this directly from a WW2 vet. He said it was common practice to lay dynamite sticks across the coals for heat. As long as the stick burns evenly it won't explode. Of course you need to remove the blasting cap from it first. Not sure if there even is a source for this out there, as most of the old "real knowledge" has been lost to time.

[1983]

I've heard from a few credible sources myself that dynamite is usually destroyed by being burnt.

Al

[jheit8]

Liquid nitrogen isn't available at the corner store, but it is a standard part of a bomb-maker's workshop. It's also useful for diffusing explosives. On a well-made bomb, you can forget about cutting wires. Any decent bomb-maker will make sure that the important wires are impossible to reach. Freeze the detonator, though, and you can usually remove it safely. Of course, "usually" is not a word you want to hear when you're working with explosives.

Hey, that's a verbatim quote from Burn Notice.
Also, pouring liquid nitrogen on a bomb is a good way to have one less bomb diffuser.

[Larcenous]

I've always wondered why they dont just air drop a big ass metal container ontop of it and and detonate it inside of the container.

[1983]

^Can I buy some pot off of you?

Al

[JeffreyH]

-Oh my god, JC, a bomb!
-A bomb!

Deus Ex - A Bomb - JC Denton and Jock acting foolish - YouTube

[Leshrac]

Hey, that's a verbatim quote from Burn Notice.
Also, pouring liquid nitrogen on a bomb is a good way to have one less bomb diffuser.

Only military explosives are "marked". Dogs don't "magically" detect stuff...

A homemade bomb CANNOT be distinguished from a "military" one. PERIOD.

[ZappaFan]

Sober.

[is all mememememe with me]

Hah. I always thought about a way to make something un-defuseable.



just set the bomb with a clock and set in in concrete. theres no way you could risk breaking the concrete away if a live bomb was set into it. and if you were smart and reinforced it with steel then even using explosives would be likely to have no effect. plus it would be extra lethal when it did actually explode.

[constantinople]

just set the bomb with a clock and set in in concrete. theres no way you could risk breaking the concrete away if a live bomb was set into it. and if you were smart and reinforced it with steel then even using explosives would be likely to have no effect. plus it would be extra lethal when it did actually explode.

It would be hard to blow up a small, steel-reinforced concrete box. You would need some srs bsns explosives.

[BungHole]

Explosives often react totally opposite of what you would think they would. For example, you can lay a stick of dynamite on hot coals, and as long as the heat is evenly distributed across the coals and the dynamite stick is laid flat, it won't explode. Rather, it will burn slowly just like a small fire log right down to ashes. Soldiers in World War 2 used this very method to stay warm at night. They had no wood but lots of dynamite.

What do you mean "totally opposite"? Anyone with any knowledge of nitroglycerine beyond what they saw on TV knows that's exactly how it acts. Like you said later, it's fine as long as there's no primary.

[Ph0x]

just set the bomb with a clock and set in in concrete. theres no way you could risk breaking the concrete away if a live bomb was set into it. and if you were smart and reinforced it with steel then even using explosives would be likely to have no effect. plus it would be extra lethal when it did actually explode.

If you couldn't blast into it, You can't blast out of it.

Stop with the troll physics.
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[-SpectraL]

Concrete shrinks when it dries due to the water being evaporated out of it. I wouldn't trust exposing explosives to that kind of pressure.

[1983]

^Wet concrete would have some some uses though if you had no other choice. I work with it all day every day and if you dropped an explosive into a form poured concrete and run like a black guy after raping a white girl you'd probably manage to prevent something overly catastrophic.

Mind you the forms would be fucked beyond recognition and you'd have to rip everything apart and down afterwards but between the dirt surrounding the basement and all the downward pressure on the device it should explode in a limited direction outward toward the inside of the basement and the earth around the outside wall depending on the charge size rendering it relatively harmless if all personnel are evacuated.

Al

[Ph0x]

*shakes head*

*walks away mumbling about how if you guys are so smart why don't you do it for a living like nuke*

[is all mememememe with me]

If you couldn't blast into it, You can't blast out of it.

Stop with the troll physics.
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obviously you know shit about the physics of explosions and air pressures. it would rip that concrete apart like it was made of butter. do you really think a bit of concrete could contain an explosion?

[1983]

obviously you know shit about the physics of explosions and air pressures. it would rip that concrete apart like it was made of butter. do you really think a bit of concrete could contain an explosion?

There's better ways of explaining it dude... The firework in the open and closed hand trick is my favourite. :P

Al

[is all mememememe with me]

There's better ways of explaining it dude... The firework in the open and closed hand trick is my favourite. :P

Al

i cant be bothered with explaining it right now. if anyone wants to learn more look into rock face blasting or something. that'll give you an idea what explosives can do to solid brittle materials when there is no whee for the blast to go. note how they drill into the rock face a few meters or so rather than just laying the explosive against the face of the rock.

[1983]

i cant be bothered with explaining it right now. if anyone wants to learn more look into rock face blasting or something. that'll give you an idea what explosives can do to solid brittle materials when there is no whee for the blast to go. note how they drill into the rock face a few meters or so rather than just laying the explosive against the face of the rock.

Yeah I looked into that a while back for tunnelling superposes and there's not allot of information but what I found was invaluable... I'd have to drill the holes at an angle so it "pushes" the rock out of the rock face... Rinse and repeat but I'll have to save up around $3000 before I can even think of going ahead with that idea.

Want to get my blasters permit first to avoid legal headaches.:P

Al

[Cerberus]

Wrap it in C4, that should cushion most of the explosion.

[turboneger]

You hold down the 'use' key.
Idiots :facepalm:

[Ph0x]

obviously you know shit about the physics of explosions and air pressures. it would rip that concrete apart like it was made of butter. do you really think a bit of concrete could contain an explosion?

Do you really think a bit of concrete would STOP an explosion.

[is all mememememe with me]

Do you really think a bit of concrete would STOP an explosion.

concrete can stop an explosion if the explosion has another direction to go. for example if you threw a grenade onto a concrete floor then the explosion would spread across the concrete floor and up away from it, leaving the concrete floor relatively unscathed. encasing an explosion tho is different. being contained inside in all directions means there is no where for the pressure of the explosion to be released. the sheer force of the rapidly expanding air would rip the concrete apart rather than being contained. concrete simply wouldn't be strong enough to contain the force.

to give you an idea how badly concrete stands up to explosive force you can look at the bouncing bombs used to destroy german dams during the war. their power came from where they actually exploded. if they just exploded against the dam wall they would have no effect. it was once they sank below the water while against the dam wall that made them effective. the blast would be triggered between the water and the concrete wall. the pressure of the water wouldn't give to the explosion like the concrete wall would, so the concrete wall would give way first while the water surrounding the blast would barely move.

[Ph0x]

Ok, now assume I have a copper cone and proper stand off distance.

[Irukanji]

Do you really think a bit of concrete would STOP an explosion.

Yes. Concrete is used in pretty much everything that is designed to handle huge pressures. All you need is some rebar and some properly set concrete.

A bit of steel mesh on top of all of that to help keep the concrete whole after your little blast would help, too. And if you're really paranoid, a 1m/3.3 foot thick sandbag behind it would definitely stop it.

Or just use the same principle as the torpedo netting, such as what they use to counter the new RPG rockets with the dual explosives to help counter the explosive-reactive armour...some star pickets suspending a bunch of 1/4inch mesh about 2m in front of the concrete, with another layer 1m from the concrete.

Or just, you know, booby traps around the perimeter so the bad guy dies first.

[Ph0x]

This topic has veered off like a bunch of high 16 year olds.

Dude, what if we encased a bomb in hardened concrete, with reactive armor.

This is starting to get kinda E-tarded.

"cybertarded"

TLDR: Tandem shaped charge rounds.

[JeffreyH]

What a shame.

It was a good thread; what a rotten way to die.

[SHARP]

Allow me to point out the discussion concerning whether or not concrete can contain an explosion is a 100% waste of time until we get some numbers on the table!

Depending on a shitload of factors, a "yes" as well as a "no" can both be accurate and true answers, but it depends on the aforementioned factors.

What one should ask, is for example "how much un-reinforced concrete of X composition does it take to contain the pressure released from exactly 500 grams of TNT"?

Now, I assume we can all agree that if we took all the concrete that has been used on Manhattan in the last 50 years and dumped it on top of our 0.5kg TNT, effectively encasing the block in several million tons of concrete, the result of the explosion would be negligible.

However, if we encased the same 0.5kg of TNT in a 0.5m X 0.5m X 0.5m block of concrete, it'd probably be a rather shitty idea to be within 100m of it, when it went off.

See where I'm going?

As I've said before, it is impossible to "safely defuse a bomb" as there's no set definition of exactly how "a bomb" is constructed, and how much explosive it contains, and of what type or composition.
Furthermore, bombs have been built in the past, that happened to be impossible to defuse short of blowing them up.

When people use the word "defuse", I assume what is meant is "rendering the contraption inoperable without any damage to the surrounding area", as defusing a bomb by "setting it off and taking down three blocks in the process" is never a success...

Oh, and to those people who've elaborated on how one should "disconnect the detonator from the battery", as of this writing, there has existed electrically detonated landmines for at least a decade, and oddly enough they don't contain any batteries whatsoever.
Besides, mechanical and chemical delays (or a combination) has seen use since at least WWI, and pyrotechnical delays since the invention of black powder...

So, come up with a blueprint (and raise all the red flags at our various intelligence agencies) and people here would have something to "defuse" in theory.

Right now the thread is going down in flames, and going down fast...

[1983]

I'll see if I can find the electrical timed smoke grenade I have kicking around in one of my sheds for when I'm out playing paintball and I'll take a pic of it for the pics of GTFOness.

Al

[SHARP]

It'd be really nice to see the schematics etc. as several of us are airsofters or paintballers and might learn something we could use, but I wouldn't expect anyone to be able to defuse one of those bastards once the pin has been pulled and the grenade thrown.:)

[is all mememememe with me]

jfc, common sense would tell a 3 year old that i wasn't talking about encasing it in millions of tonnes of concrete.

[1983]

It'd be really nice to see the schematics etc. as several of us are airsofters or paintballers and might learn something we could use, but I wouldn't expect anyone to be able to defuse one of those bastards once the pin has been pulled and the grenade thrown.:)

Mostly just a push button one where I can set the time in increments. Works great as a distraction when they think you're coming from one direction then they eat paint from another.

Al

[Motherfucking_Toast]

This topic has veered off like a bunch of high 16 year olds.

Dude, what if we encased a bomb in hardened concrete, with reactive armor.

This is starting to get kinda E-tarded.

"cybertarded"

TLDR: Tandem shaped charge rounds.


what if we, like, covered it in that stuff that yknow, they make flight recorder boxes out of, cos its un-destructable dood :o:o:o:o

[Ph0x]

Kind of off topic, but has anyone here heard of the

"Rod from God" idea?

Drop a telephone pole sized tungsten rod from low earth orbit.

[SHARP]

jfc, common sense would tell a 3 year old that i wasn't talking about encasing it in millions of tonnes of concrete.

...In much the same way it should be common sense not to waste time on a debate with no set parameters, that obviously won't ever lead anywhere...;)

How about telling us how much concrete you'd use, and how you'd use it? At least that'd give everyone something to go by.

Not trying to start a fight or anything, I'm genuinely interested in the discussion, but can't we agree that simply stating that "the sheer force of the rapidly expanding air would rip the concrete apart" is pretty inaccurate and open for interpretation?

[SHARP]

Mostly just a push button one where I can set the time in increments. Works great as a distraction when they think you're coming from one direction then they eat paint from another.

Al

So, you've got a timer circuit and batteries inside the grenade? How well does the electronics stand up to being thrown around? And, how do you release/eject the paint, are we talking pyrotechnically, pneumatically, or what?

[Ph0x]

Enough to scoff at a shaped charge but a small enough amount to blast out of.

[Leshrac]

So, you've got a timer circuit and batteries inside the grenade? How well does the electronics stand up to being thrown around? And, how do you release/eject the paint, are we talking pyrotechnically, pneumatically, or what?

Wouldn't it be ungodly ironic if he meant blood by paint ? : ]

[Godzilla]

I mean, we all know that you should always cut the blue wire and never the green one.

But seriously, any tips? Is there like an CIA field manual for defusing bombs that got leaked online or something like that?
You're supposed to cut the red wire.

[ZappaFan]

Carefully

[Painzstake]

You can freeze the vital parts to such a low temperature that it's impossible for any reaction or electronics to operate. Liquid nitrogen i know goes down to -200*c which may be enough for general application. However it's something like -273*C at which the atoms inside an object no longer move. You could probably do something like place your bomb inside a chamber increase the pressure and you'd be able to freeze all the components to a stage where you could safely defuse the bomb with robotics. Short of freezing the bomb, there has been a ton of research and success in 'water blades' where water is used as a medium to transfer force from a HE to destroy electronics etc before it has time to react to the water.

[The Methematician]

I got this directly from a WW2 vet. He said it was common practice to lay dynamite sticks across the coals for heat. As long as the stick burns evenly it won't explode. Of course you need to remove the blasting cap from it first. Not sure if there even is a source for this out there, as most of the old "real knowledge" has been lost to time.

They still do. My buddies who have been to Afgan told me that they used to cut open their claymore with their tactical Rambo knives, take out the explosives inside and used them as fuel for cooking and mine shell as pan which they fried the mountain goat they'd just kill with a .50cal.

[K-9]

I would be much less inclined to try something like that with dynamite, but C4 is more than stable enough for use for cooking. They actually did an episode about it on Mythbusters.

[The Methematician]

I would be much less inclined to try something like that with dynamite, but C4 is more than stable enough for use for cooking. They actually did an episode about it on Mythbusters.

Genuine, original recipe dynamites had been extinct since like 80' or so ....

none of the commercial/mil explosive or ie devices that we have today really contain dynamites. you can be less inclines as much as you like but you wont ever come across them anyway.

[K-9]

Genuine, original recipe dynamites had been extinct since like 80' or so ....

none of the commercial/mil explosive or ie devices that we have today really contain dynamites. you can be less inclines as much as you like but you wont ever come across them anyway.

Well there aren't very many explosives that I would just happen to come across anyway, but a little bit of dynamite isn't that much work to whip up.

[1983]

So, you've got a timer circuit and batteries inside the grenade? How well does the electronics stand up to being thrown around? And, how do you release/eject the paint, are we talking pyrotechnically, pneumatically, or what?

On my iPod so this will be short.

I use it as a smoke grenade with a timed interval so I can run one way while the smoke is going off in another.

The eletrics are usually kept external due to them being toxic when they burn and some components are expensive.

I'll post pics when I get around to it to clear this up though as a picture says a thousand words.

Al

[SHARP]

^^Great, will be looking forward to it.:)

[i hate everyone]

I mean, we all know that you should always cut the blue wire and never the green one.

But seriously, any tips? Is there like an CIA field manual for defusing bombs that got leaked online or something like that?
You'll need to get into the meat n taters of it. Ever since the feds started bustin unions, the bomb maker's union went to hell and there's no uniformity to bombs anymore.

[Irukanji]

Kind of off topic, but has anyone here heard of the

"Rod from God" idea?

Yes.

Drop a telephone pole sized tungsten rod from low earth orbit.

And have the atmosphere shape it into a sharp point, so when it does hit the ground, it just goes in a few meters and you've just wasted $100 million dollars getting into low earth orbit...

[1983]

Took me a while to find this again but a little something something for deactivating mines.

http://www.itep.ws/pdf/LexfoamPatel.pdf

Al

[SHARP]

^^Yeah, I remember the Lexfoam, think I was the first to mention it back on Totse back in the days, I came across a pretty damn neat system on some demining site; they used a three man team to detect, expose, and prime landmines for clearing...

The first guy in the line carried a metal detector with with a pneumatic "powder shotgun" attached, that fired a ring of high visibility orange powder from the search head whenever the trigger was pulled, the second man in the line carried something I recall as being called an "air-spade", in reality it was nothing more than a high pressure air tank carried on the back, and connected to a pistol grip with a long nozzle so he could blow away the dirt around the mine without setting it off. The last man in the team carried a double tank containing the two compounds which mixed in the line from the tank, through the pistol grip/nozzle assembly before covering the landmine and having a detonator shoved in.
On the way back they rigged up all the charges and set them off when they got back to their starting position...

Simply beautiful, but of course it won't work on all types of mines...

[rednight637]

i think you have to cut the main power source.

[tuer502gt]

Is someone trying to make an EFP in this thread? What's with the copper cone?

[endle$$]

just piss on it!
it will work :D

[whocares]

Call Jack Bauer?

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