BungHole
03-30-2010, 06:53 PM
Now, maybe this should be in "The Archives," and maybe no one cares about little old BungHole's opinion(especially the admins), but I have something to say, so hear me out brah.
The only reason I don't try to contribute to the text files is, I hate how Zok did it. What happened to the chemistry section I so badly wanted to add articles to? Why does the chem here always have to be clandestine? I mean, don't get me wrong, most of my research is on drugs, illicit drugs, but I'm not touching that drug section with my chem knowledge. I'll write trip reports, but I'm not writing out some "1337 durgz recipe," I'm talking about chemistry. If they want to put a psychoactives section under the chemistry section, that'd be great, but I am way too stuck up to post in what we have now. But hell if we all think like this, nothing will be done.
I'm not on good terms with any mods or admins except the ones in S2S/CC and F&B, so they wont listen to me I'm sure. So, can someone do me a favor and pass on the message to the admins that we need reform?
I don't care what people say, that this site isn't all about science, scientific methods are elite, and no other methods are better for information. Period. I liked the original front page, I really wanted to post in the chem section, but never got around to getting permission. Now I refuse, unless there is some change in organization.
http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=107538
This troll thread here is an example of Zoklet's greatness. It went from some guy trying to piss off the mods of NfHC, to a deep discussion of the inner workings of the site. Now I know Zok is very busy/a total procrastinator, and I know a bunch of straight edged idiots are going to knock me on this, saying "o noes durgz r stoopid, stoopid tweeker." But I'm not a tweaker, I'm a scientist, and this isn't about drugs, it's about a scientific reformation and enlightenment. And I know a bunch of close minded fucks are going to disagree and say "this isn't a science/nerd site," but guess what, just because your beliefs are the idiotic ones of the general population, you're still an idiot. That being said....
Normally I don't get involved, and I keep my mouth shut(and I'm sure many of you would like me to keep it that way:rolleyes: ), but this is serious shit for the site.
You see, our current organization of the text files is shit. It's no wonder they aren't popular. Yet.
So these are our categories:
Bad Ideas (a combination of many things, including social sciences(social sciences and natural sciences, and technology, and it's sort of an art)
Conspiracy(a social science)
Drugs(a natural and social science, but mainly biology and chemistry, so a natural science)
Original Thought(art)
Site News(mainly about politics, so a social science)
Society(let's guess what that is)
Technology(well, it's obviously, well, technology)
So, like all things, this makes no sense, and there is no fine line dividing these categories. I mean, isn't Conspiracy part of Society, and Site News part of our Society? Wouldn't some say drugs are a bad idea? Aren't some technologies an original thought?
My point is, there aren't fine lines. There never are. It's always all or nothing, dark or light, and never good nor bad.
Now, I understand making it "scientific" would draw people away from the site. But luckily, it will mostly draw away the idiots. Not to say they don't have valuable gems of information, or a certain potential. But when I joined totse when I was 14, back around 2005, I was a kidiot. Plain and simple. The ka fucking boom textfiles and bad ideas were like a gift from God Himself to me. So I read them. Like crazy.
Then I found BB. I realized everything I did wasn't some random act of evil, that I was in fact, a scientist, seeking enlightenment. I went from making "1337 bomz" and seeking "botanical/legal highs," to a botanist, chemist, and pharmacologist. My life has been this way ever since, and one day I know it will be my career, or I will die trying to make it my career, even if society doesn't accept it and I have to seclude myself.
So you see, we don't have to make it a science at point blank range. But what it boils down to is information. That's what this site and totse were about. And what is science in general? Some hard class you failed in middle school? No. Science is general study and research. Science is information.
Yes, science doesn't encompass everything. Science is fact. There are also opinions, beliefs and feelings. These are the arts. Our sense of emotion. This is where there is a fine line, or atleast a greyish area in between.
We don't have to have a site that says "Hard Science" or "Soft Science." We don't have to have a site that says "Natural Science" or "Social Science." But we do need something better. Something more scientific. Because information is science.
Now, I'm not a good leader of a whole any bigger than myself, so what happens exactly isn't my decision. I also don't know much about programming, site design, and the inner workings of the site.
But this is what I do know, and this is what I recommend.
We Divide it something like this:
-Site News and Information.
-Arts;
--Literature, Imagery(---Sub-subcategories?-Film, TV, Drawing, Painting, Sculpting), Music, Edibles, maybe even Architecture.
-Science and Math;
--Math, Physics, Biology, Chemistry.
-Society;
--Social Sciences (---Sub-subcategories?-Anthropology, History, Psychology), Politics, Conspiracies and Paranormal, Education/Acedemics, Survival (whether using currency or obtaining resources from the land), Religion, Relationships, Morality and Philosophy, Travel, and Conflict and War.
-Sports and Games;
--Athletics, Video Games, Board Games/Card Games, Mind Games And Puzzles.
-Hobbies;
--Bad Ideas, Pyrotechnics, DIY, and so many other "hobbies."
-Technology;
--Electronics
---(sub-subcategories) Computers(----Sub-sub-subcategories?-Programming, Networking, Hardware[I don't find these"sub-sub-subcategories appealing]), Telecommunications.
--Mechanics
---(Sub-subcategories)Automobiles, Simple Machines, Complex machines (this one I have no clue about, so I just say the last two I said).
--Weapons
---(Sub-subcategories)Guns, Primitive weapons, Sharp Objects, Explosive Weaponry.
If it were up to me, it would be something like this.
Also, you see, this isn't perfect either. Nothing is. All of these subjects combine at some point. Are drugs a Bad Ida, Society, Or Biology? Are Explosives a Bad Idea, a Weapon, Pyrotechnics, Or Chemistry?
Isn't Technology part of Science? Isn't there an Art to Philosophy? Why The fuck does Sports and Games not fall under Society?
See, no fine lines. This is why we cross link/ cross section everything we can. This way, no matter what we click on, we'll find what were looking for.
Yes, this is very complex, just to once again jumble everything together, but what is the choice, have one big section for everything all without organization or have everything so accurate it's hit or miss for the average thinking person? This is why we have to do both.
So, let's try to be logical here, and think outside the realm of our own minds. Everyone has an idea of what fits where in their own "categories" of "things." How can we make it so that everyone understands where to look?
I believe in taking a scientific approach in disguise, and categorize things in the most simple, general terms, then crossing them all together so no matter how you understand things, you'll know where to find them.
Atleast, this is what I believe.
The only reason I don't try to contribute to the text files is, I hate how Zok did it. What happened to the chemistry section I so badly wanted to add articles to? Why does the chem here always have to be clandestine? I mean, don't get me wrong, most of my research is on drugs, illicit drugs, but I'm not touching that drug section with my chem knowledge. I'll write trip reports, but I'm not writing out some "1337 durgz recipe," I'm talking about chemistry. If they want to put a psychoactives section under the chemistry section, that'd be great, but I am way too stuck up to post in what we have now. But hell if we all think like this, nothing will be done.
I'm not on good terms with any mods or admins except the ones in S2S/CC and F&B, so they wont listen to me I'm sure. So, can someone do me a favor and pass on the message to the admins that we need reform?
I don't care what people say, that this site isn't all about science, scientific methods are elite, and no other methods are better for information. Period. I liked the original front page, I really wanted to post in the chem section, but never got around to getting permission. Now I refuse, unless there is some change in organization.
http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=107538
This troll thread here is an example of Zoklet's greatness. It went from some guy trying to piss off the mods of NfHC, to a deep discussion of the inner workings of the site. Now I know Zok is very busy/a total procrastinator, and I know a bunch of straight edged idiots are going to knock me on this, saying "o noes durgz r stoopid, stoopid tweeker." But I'm not a tweaker, I'm a scientist, and this isn't about drugs, it's about a scientific reformation and enlightenment. And I know a bunch of close minded fucks are going to disagree and say "this isn't a science/nerd site," but guess what, just because your beliefs are the idiotic ones of the general population, you're still an idiot. That being said....
Normally I don't get involved, and I keep my mouth shut(and I'm sure many of you would like me to keep it that way:rolleyes: ), but this is serious shit for the site.
You see, our current organization of the text files is shit. It's no wonder they aren't popular. Yet.
So these are our categories:
Bad Ideas (a combination of many things, including social sciences(social sciences and natural sciences, and technology, and it's sort of an art)
Conspiracy(a social science)
Drugs(a natural and social science, but mainly biology and chemistry, so a natural science)
Original Thought(art)
Site News(mainly about politics, so a social science)
Society(let's guess what that is)
Technology(well, it's obviously, well, technology)
So, like all things, this makes no sense, and there is no fine line dividing these categories. I mean, isn't Conspiracy part of Society, and Site News part of our Society? Wouldn't some say drugs are a bad idea? Aren't some technologies an original thought?
My point is, there aren't fine lines. There never are. It's always all or nothing, dark or light, and never good nor bad.
Now, I understand making it "scientific" would draw people away from the site. But luckily, it will mostly draw away the idiots. Not to say they don't have valuable gems of information, or a certain potential. But when I joined totse when I was 14, back around 2005, I was a kidiot. Plain and simple. The ka fucking boom textfiles and bad ideas were like a gift from God Himself to me. So I read them. Like crazy.
Then I found BB. I realized everything I did wasn't some random act of evil, that I was in fact, a scientist, seeking enlightenment. I went from making "1337 bomz" and seeking "botanical/legal highs," to a botanist, chemist, and pharmacologist. My life has been this way ever since, and one day I know it will be my career, or I will die trying to make it my career, even if society doesn't accept it and I have to seclude myself.
So you see, we don't have to make it a science at point blank range. But what it boils down to is information. That's what this site and totse were about. And what is science in general? Some hard class you failed in middle school? No. Science is general study and research. Science is information.
Yes, science doesn't encompass everything. Science is fact. There are also opinions, beliefs and feelings. These are the arts. Our sense of emotion. This is where there is a fine line, or atleast a greyish area in between.
We don't have to have a site that says "Hard Science" or "Soft Science." We don't have to have a site that says "Natural Science" or "Social Science." But we do need something better. Something more scientific. Because information is science.
Now, I'm not a good leader of a whole any bigger than myself, so what happens exactly isn't my decision. I also don't know much about programming, site design, and the inner workings of the site.
But this is what I do know, and this is what I recommend.
We Divide it something like this:
-Site News and Information.
-Arts;
--Literature, Imagery(---Sub-subcategories?-Film, TV, Drawing, Painting, Sculpting), Music, Edibles, maybe even Architecture.
-Science and Math;
--Math, Physics, Biology, Chemistry.
-Society;
--Social Sciences (---Sub-subcategories?-Anthropology, History, Psychology), Politics, Conspiracies and Paranormal, Education/Acedemics, Survival (whether using currency or obtaining resources from the land), Religion, Relationships, Morality and Philosophy, Travel, and Conflict and War.
-Sports and Games;
--Athletics, Video Games, Board Games/Card Games, Mind Games And Puzzles.
-Hobbies;
--Bad Ideas, Pyrotechnics, DIY, and so many other "hobbies."
-Technology;
--Electronics
---(sub-subcategories) Computers(----Sub-sub-subcategories?-Programming, Networking, Hardware[I don't find these"sub-sub-subcategories appealing]), Telecommunications.
--Mechanics
---(Sub-subcategories)Automobiles, Simple Machines, Complex machines (this one I have no clue about, so I just say the last two I said).
--Weapons
---(Sub-subcategories)Guns, Primitive weapons, Sharp Objects, Explosive Weaponry.
If it were up to me, it would be something like this.
Also, you see, this isn't perfect either. Nothing is. All of these subjects combine at some point. Are drugs a Bad Ida, Society, Or Biology? Are Explosives a Bad Idea, a Weapon, Pyrotechnics, Or Chemistry?
Isn't Technology part of Science? Isn't there an Art to Philosophy? Why The fuck does Sports and Games not fall under Society?
See, no fine lines. This is why we cross link/ cross section everything we can. This way, no matter what we click on, we'll find what were looking for.
Yes, this is very complex, just to once again jumble everything together, but what is the choice, have one big section for everything all without organization or have everything so accurate it's hit or miss for the average thinking person? This is why we have to do both.
So, let's try to be logical here, and think outside the realm of our own minds. Everyone has an idea of what fits where in their own "categories" of "things." How can we make it so that everyone understands where to look?
I believe in taking a scientific approach in disguise, and categorize things in the most simple, general terms, then crossing them all together so no matter how you understand things, you'll know where to find them.
Atleast, this is what I believe.