If the south had won?

[DirtySanchez]

What are your opinions on what america would be like if the south had won the civil war? i think the main difference would be the federal goverment would know its place and the states would have more rights.

[rabbitweed]

Are you the same dirty sanchez from like 2005 on totse!? :eek:

[007GoldenShower]

The earth would be nuked to all fuck

[Lucifereus]

america would be even more religious and racist and uneducated. soviet union would have raped the world and i would move there haha yess

[Mr. Dazed and Confused]

Watch the movie C.S.A, it's a mockumentary about how America would be like if the South won the war.

[Stock Market Anomalies]

If the south won the USA would not have entered WWII on the side of Britain and Hitler would have won.

[TheDarkRodent]

Watch the movie C.S.A, it's a mockumentary about how America would be like if the South won the war.

I saw that is was hilarious especially the "commercials".

You can download it for free (legally) here
http://tv-links.cc/download.php?name=c-s-a-the-confederate-states-of-america-2004&cat=movie

or here

http://tv-links.cc/movie/c-s-a-the-confederate-states-of-america-2004.htm just a trailer sorry

or stream it here

http://www.zimbio.com/watch/G-jXnADXqI4/Csa+Confederate+States+America/Csa+Confederate+States+Of+America

[FrY]

What are you talkin bout, south did win.

[BungHole]

As much as I hate our central, federal government, we'd be pretty screwed without it....

Forcing a land and people into unification is pretty key to power and success. Doesn't make it right though.....

[Yggdrasil]

If the south won the USA would not have entered WWII on the side of Britain and Hitler would have won.

No no no... had the South successfully seceded, the Central Powers would have won WWI. Without American support, the Germans would have barreled through the Marne and captured Paris. They'd have signed a peace treaty, taken back Alsace-Lorraine, and humiliated the Allies. Great Britain would have likely entered a severe economic depression, and possibly fallen to a Communist revolution. Maybe France as well. In the end, a Second World War would have most likely pitted Communist European powers against the German and Austro-Hungarian Empires, and Japan, on the side of the communists, would have fought a similar conflict with the Chinese. The Communists would have won the war, methinks, and the world would have indeed been a strange place.

[TheDarkRodent]

No no no... had the South successfully seceded, the Central Powers would have won WWI. Without American support, the Germans would have barreled through the Marne and captured Paris. They'd have signed a peace treaty, taken back Alsace-Lorraine, and humiliated the Allies. Great Britain would have likely entered a severe economic depression, and possibly fallen to a Communist revolution. Maybe France as well. In the end, a Second World War would have most likely pitted Communist European powers against the German and Austro-Hungarian Empires, and Japan, on the side of the communists, would have fought a similar conflict with the Chinese. The Communists would have won the war, methinks, and the world would have indeed been a strange place.\

That is an interesting hypothesis Yiggy, where do you think the two Americas would have fit into that scenario?

[HippieTrippie]

I think had the South won, they wouldn't be able to sustain themselves. Think about it, they had 1/4th the industry of the North, whose industry grew exponentially farther each YEAR, from the South. The Race war that would have ensued, considering blacks made up 2/3rds of the South's population, would have destroyed any prosperous, populous city. With the increasing pressure from the North and the economy, while prosperous is crushed by slave rebellion.

[Haiti's Space Agency]

I saw that is was hilarious especially the "commercials".

You can download it for free (legally) here
http://tv-links.cc/download.php?name=c-s-a-the-confederate-states-of-america-2004&cat=movie

or here

http://tv-links.cc/movie/c-s-a-the-confederate-states-of-america-2004.htm just a trailer sorry

or stream it here

http://www.zimbio.com/watch/G-jXnADXqI4/Csa+Confederate+States+America/Csa+Confederate+States+Of+America
Please don't post links to things you found off google while being ignorant of the security threats those links might contain. Thank you.

[Bleeding Kansas]

If the south won a slave revolt would come to fruition within the decade.

In the words of the failed, soon to be hung, American abolitionist John Brown

"You may dispose of me very easily. I am nearly disposed of now. But this question is still to be settled, this Negro question, I mean; the end of that is not yet."

Imagine a true slave revolt like in Haiti but state side. It would truly be a grim sight

[JustAnotherAsshole]

Depending on what happened after the war (How much land the North and South lost/gained, and which land), a number of situations could have come about.

[Cory]

A lot of you guys are forgetting something:

"The South" was never out to "conquer the North". If they "won" it would be a white peace in which they simply get to keep their independence for a while until their economy collapses and they are retaken eventually by the massivley more powerful "Federals" (aka the rest of the country).

The Confderate States of America's pre-industrial and borderline feudal economy is just no match for the devloped and industrial United States.

[TheDarkRodent]

Please don't post links to things you found off google while being ignorant of the security threats those links might contain. Thank you.

I am not ignorant of security threats which is why I run NoScript and NOD32. If others are ignorant then they get what they get. I visited all of those links with my configuration and came out clean.

[Deadlock]

A lot of you guys are forgetting something:

"The South" was never out to "conquer the North".

Wow, someone actually gets it.

The USA & CAS would certainly be different places. I'm sure that the CAS would have eventually done away with slavery, and industrialized in it's own time. Of course the CAS wouldn't have been the post-war shit-hole it historically resembled after Sherman had finished raping it.

And now, a history lesson. The civil war wasn't about slavery, it was about 'decentralized vs. centralized' federal government, as well as 'states rights vs. federal rights'.

The south's rich plantation owners held slaves, which made up about 2% of the population. The average mountain hick didn't have the money or resources to sustain slave labor.

If you want any more proof that it wasn't about slavery...


None other than abolitionist Frederick Douglass, a former slave and one of the most prominent African Americans in history, declared:

There are at present moment [autumn 1861], many colored men in the Confederate Army doing duty not only as cooks, servants, and laborers, but as real soldiers, having musket on their shoulders and bullets in their pockets, ready to shoot down loyal troops and do all that soldiers may do to destroy the Federal government and build up that of the traitors and rebels.

In 'Black Confederates and Afro-Yankees in Civil War Virginia', Professor Ervin L. Jordan, Jr., writes:

Numerous black Virginians served with Confederate forces as soldiers, sailors, teamsters, spies, and hospital personnel.... I know of black Confederate sharp-shooters who saw combat during the 1862 Seven Days Campaign and [of] the existence of black companies [which] organized and drilled in Richmond in March-April 1865. Integrated companies of black and white hospital workers fought against the Union army in the Petersburg trenches during March 1865. There were several recruitment campaigns and charity balls held in Virginia on behalf of black soldiers and special camps of instruction were established to train them.

The book 'Black Confederates' contains loads of primary documents testifying to the role of African Americans: letters, military documents, tributes, obituaries, contemporaneous newspaper articles, and more. In an 1862 letter to his uncle, a soldier at Camp Brown in Knoxville, Tennessee, wrote that his company had recently gunned down six Union soldiers and that "Jack Thomas a colored person that belongs to our company killed one of them."

The obituary of black South Carolinian Henry Brown states that he had never been a slave and had served in three wars: the Mexican, the Spanish-American, and the Civil (on the side of the South). He was given a 21-gun salute at his funeral.

In 1890, black Union veteran Joseph T. Wilson wrote in his book, 'The Black Phalanx: A History of the Negro Soldiers of the United States', that New Orleans was home to two Native Guard regiments, which comprised 3,000 "colored men." Referring to these regiments in an 1898 book, Union Captain Dan Matson said: "Here is a strange fact. We find that the Confederates themselves first armed and mustered the Negro as a solider in the late war."

An article from Smithsonian magazine relates: "A New York Times correspondent with Grant in 1863 wrote: 'The guns of the rebel battery were manned almost wholly by Negroes, a single white man, or perhaps two, directing operations.'"

Unlike claims that the "Holocaust didn't happen", slavery did. It's simply that the (not so) Civil War has been portrayed as something very different in today's history books.

[Haiti's Space Agency]

I am not ignorant of security threats which is why I run NoScript and NOD32. If others are ignorant then they get what they get. I visited all of those links with my configuration and came out clean.

I am not persuaded.

[TheDarkRodent]

I am not persuaded.

That's OK I still like you. :D

[JoePedo]

Simple. The united states would be an enlightened liberal democratic republic instead of the fucktarded backwater it is now. The confederate republic of america, otoh, would look like the US does now.

As Cory noted, prior to the civil war, the south was never out to conquer the north. After the civil war, this changed - leaving us the southern strategy of the 1970s-present, retarded "babies come from the cabbage patch and aliens made the earth" schooling, ethnic internment camps, and a whole host of the most retarded, primitive, luddite, and frankly regressively neotroglodyte state on the face of the earth. Which was made by aliens.

I... really wish it had won. It can fuck up its own 'hood all it wants...

[Cory]

Simple. The united states would be an enlightened liberal democratic republic instead of the fucktarded backwater it is now. The confederate republic of america, otoh, would look like the US does now.

That's not nessarly true. It's possible tha the United States could've become a militaristic state hell bent on some kind of "vengance war" against the Confederates. Kinda like France after the Prussians beat them in 1870.

I... really wish it had won. It can fuck up its own 'hood all it wants...

The United States woul be nowhere near as powerful if Noth America split into two rival, hostile camps. Which is exactly what would happen if this scenario unfolded. One of the reason the American economy is so great is because for soo long we never had to worry about an imminent threat of major war on our own soil. In this scenario there would be no "two oceans of sea to protect us", only a thin decrimation line, just waiting for the next conflict to break it.