The Official Gateway to Political Leftism Thread

[Hobo]

No, not Obama "left". Anarchism, socialism, marxism, communism etc.

This thread is dedicated to realizing how fucked our world is, anti-capitalist propaganda, leftist indy media sites and forums, music, movies and documentaries etc etc etc. Ill start

The Party's Over - Beyond politics, beyond democracy. But what could there possibly be beyond democracy?! (zine)
http://thecloud.crimethinc.com/pdfs/democracy_reading.pdf


America: Freedom to Fascism. "A documentary that explores the connection between income tax collection and the erosion of civil liberties in America" (movie)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173


American Drug War: The Last White Hope. "AMERICAN DRUG WAR shows how money, power and greed have corrupted not just drug pushers and dope fiends, but an entire government." (movie)
http://www.videosift.com/video/American-Drug-War-The-Last-White-Hope-Full-Movie-1


Zeitgeist. What does Christianity, 911 and The Federal Reserve all have in common? (movie)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197&ei=Vkv9SL3UOJLu-gGSjYSJBA&q=zeitgeist


Unconstitutional: The War on Our Civil Liberties. "A documentary that investigates the ways in which the civil liberties of American citizens and immigrants have been rolled back since the September 11 and the Patriot Act." (movie)
http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/unconstitutional.php


The Weather Underground. "...violently confront the US government that started with street riots and escalating to bombing government targets" (movie)
http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/weather_underground.php


Emma Goldman, writings on Anarchy. (essays and books)
http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/goldman/GoldmanCW.html



The Communist Manifesto. Written by Karl Marx, edited by Friedrich Engels (ebook)
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/61/61.txt


Zeitgeist: Addendum. "The film discusses the Federal Reserve System in the United States, the CIA, corporate America, other government and financial institutions, and religion, concluding that they are all corrupt institutions detrimental to humanity and are in need of replacement" (movie)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912



RevLeft. Leftist forum (website)
http://www.revleft.com/vb/



Axis of Justice. Independent media website. Run by Tom Morello and Serj Tankian (website)
http://www.axisofjustice.org/



Dead Prez - Hip Hop (music video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jNyr6BJZuI


More to come later.

[The Cheshire Cat]

Just links, no content?

[WAN]

Just links, no content?

i smell a mod fight

[Mantikore]

theres a difference between socialism and anarchism

[DBag]

You only bash on the far left. You want a challenge? Prove that capitalism is more valid than TRUE socialism/communism.

And don't you dare try and convince anyone Russian Communism is the same as True Communism.

E:
At first, I thought you had something intelligent to say. Rereading your content only proves how close-minded you are about others ideas.

Norway, Finland, and Switzerland are all (at least somewhat) socialist countries. Hell, even America has a few traits of socialism. What do all of these countries have in common? WEALTH. Switzerland has the most and largest international banks IN THE WORLD. Tell me socialism fails. DO IT.

[Hobo]

This thread wasnt necessarily intended to be used as a debate thread; it's purpose was simply to share online resources in regards to ideological left movement.

Also, under normal circumstances, I'm typically not one to blatantly express my views for a two reasons:
1) Yes, I am very closed minded and biased, therefor I'd like to hear the other side of an argument prior to stating my own personal opinions.
2) Im "so idealistic that you shit dreams" so most people find my ideas insane anyway.

I dont exactly fully agree with all, or even any of the material in which I posted, and I also dont fully conform to a certain political ideology, be it socialism, communism or even fascism. My ideal society would be one without politics, without hierarchical power, without social inequalities.

[Major Major]

I wish I knew a good socialist bookstore in Tampa, Florida.

[Hobo]

I wish I knew a good socialist bookstore in Tampa, Florida.

There is a food not bombs in your area (http://ayp.subvert.info/org_display.php?org=2350). If you were to get involved with them I'm sure they could point you in the direction of some resources, or possibly an infoshop in the area.

[Launchpad]

How could 'true' communism be implemented? It has never happened in the past - I've always seen it as more of an ideal than an attainable political goal.

[Azure]

How could 'true' communism be implemented? It has never happened in the past - I've always seen it as more of an ideal than an attainable political goal.

Many critics point to the fact that most human beings are not altruistic or possess the ability to share, but there are a few problems other than that, which have led to the inability of Communism to occur within our society.

Perhaps the biggest, is the fact that a proletarian revolution would have to occur in all countries, creating a socialist bloc(not to be confused with the Eastern European bloc of the USSR), thereby eliminating all bourgeoisie and the threat of a counter revolution, before the next stage of a classless, stateless society could be implemented. The main oppressor of the proletariat, the bourgeoisie would have to be fully, and utterly destroyed in order for the revolution to properly take root, obviously such a global revolution has yet to occur, and is unlikely anytime within the near future(speaking realistically).

Another possible reason is that no country that has claimed the title of being "Communist" has followed Marx's model. Marx stated that the workers revolution would first spring up in a heavily industrialized nation(Germany, England of the time), where it was suspected the workers would be most unfairly treated in comparison with agrarian nations. The trademark Communist revolution, occurring in Russia, in 1917 occurred in perhaps the most technologically backward nation in Europe, and it was led by a small group of middle class intellectuals, not a large uprising of industrialized laborers. It could be said Lenin's model had been formed as a pipedream of intellectualists who merely wanted self serving positions of power, rather than actual revolution and change. History has shown us that Russia was doomed to a tyranny of the minority from the beginning.

China, on the other hand was even more agrarian and backward than 1917 Russia, and is even further from the Communist model than the USSR was, having implemented mass amounts of capitalistic policies within their economy, allowing foreign companies to swoop in and further oppress Chinese workers.

In order for Communism to be established, it absolutely MUST follow the Marxist model and the realization that a society has to go through stages of development before it reaches communism is necessary. It won't happen overnight and it must move in stages.

[Dichromate]

Many critics point to the fact that most human beings are not altruistic or possess the ability to share, but there are a few problems other than that, which have led to the inability of Communism to occur within our society.

Perhaps the biggest, is the fact that a proletarian revolution would have to occur in all countries, creating a socialist bloc(not to be confused with the Eastern European bloc of the USSR), thereby eliminating all bourgeoisie and the threat of a counter revolution, before the next stage of a classless, stateless society could be implemented. The main oppressor of the proletariat, the bourgeoisie would have to be fully, and utterly destroyed in order for the revolution to properly take root, obviously such a global revolution has yet to occur, and is unlikely anytime within the near future(speaking realistically).

Another possible reason is that no country that has claimed the title of being "Communist" has followed Marx's model. Marx stated that the workers revolution would first spring up in a heavily industrialized nation(Germany, England of the time), where it was suspected the workers would be most unfairly treated in comparison with agrarian nations. The trademark Communist revolution, occurring in Russia, in 1917 occurred in perhaps the most technologically backward nation in Europe, and it was led by a small group of middle class intellectuals, not a large uprising of industrialized laborers. It could be said Lenin's model had been formed as a pipedream of intellectualists who merely wanted self serving positions of power, rather than actual revolution and change. History has shown us that Russia was doomed to a tyranny of the minority from the beginning.

China, on the other hand was even more agrarian and backward than 1917 Russia, and is even further from the Communist model than the USSR was, having implemented mass amounts of capitalistic policies within their economy, allowing foreign companies to swoop in and further oppress Chinese workers.

In order for Communism to be established, it absolutely MUST follow the Marxist model and the realization that a society has to go through stages of development before it reaches communism is necessary. It won't happen overnight and it must move in stages.

Maybe to actually implement a just socialist society leftists need to get their mouths off of Marx’s desiccated cock.

(Also if an economic system requires altruism to function and subsequently fails because people are selfish, the fault lies with the system.)

[ComradeRock]

Many critics point to the fact that most human beings are not altruistic or possess the ability to share, but there are a few problems other than that, which have led to the inability of Communism to occur within our society.

Perhaps the biggest, is the fact that a proletarian revolution would have to occur in all countries, creating a socialist bloc(not to be confused with the Eastern European bloc of the USSR), thereby eliminating all bourgeoisie and the threat of a counter revolution, before the next stage of a classless, stateless society could be implemented. The main oppressor of the proletariat, the bourgeoisie would have to be fully, and utterly destroyed in order for the revolution to properly take root, obviously such a global revolution has yet to occur, and is unlikely anytime within the near future(speaking realistically).

Another possible reason is that no country that has claimed the title of being "Communist" has followed Marx's model. Marx stated that the workers revolution would first spring up in a heavily industrialized nation(Germany, England of the time), where it was suspected the workers would be most unfairly treated in comparison with agrarian nations. The trademark Communist revolution, occurring in Russia, in 1917 occurred in perhaps the most technologically backward nation in Europe, and it was led by a small group of middle class intellectuals, not a large uprising of industrialized laborers. It could be said Lenin's model had been formed as a pipedream of intellectualists who merely wanted self serving positions of power, rather than actual revolution and change. History has shown us that Russia was doomed to a tyranny of the minority from the beginning.

China, on the other hand was even more agrarian and backward than 1917 Russia, and is even further from the Communist model than the USSR was, having implemented mass amounts of capitalistic policies within their economy, allowing foreign companies to swoop in and further oppress Chinese workers.

In order for Communism to be established, it absolutely MUST follow the Marxist model and the realization that a society has to go through stages of development before it reaches communism is necessary. It won't happen overnight and it must move in stages.


Solid post man. One huge problem with Marx's model for communism is that the government is suppose to leave after everyone is equal. That never happened in the past because the people in power never wanted to give it up, and the reason it won't happen now is because a government has become nessassary (sadly) in order to deal with global issues. (trade, war, deplomacy) So my prediction is that we will never see a communist society like the one Marx wanted.

[Azure]

Maybe to actually implement a just socialist society leftists need to get their mouths off of Marx’s desiccated cock.

Yes, because the Utopians prior to Marx, and subsequent philosophes all provide substantial models of a Communist model. :rolleyes:

(Also if an economic system requires altruism to function and subsequently fails because people are selfish, the fault lies with the system.)

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