Modify the Infraction system

[Ntjrcm]

When you get banned, the message that appears simply states "You have been banned due to infractions"

This is absolutely fucked IMO.

The name of the moderator and reason for the ban needs to be included.

[DECI4]

The name of the moderator and reason for the ban needs to be included.

Moderator: Wires

Reason: Shes a cunt.

[mafiabro]

This is a great idea. I don't understand why they don't provide you with the reason at the very least.

[Daily]

This is a great idea. I don't understand why they don't provide you with the reason at the very least.

Fear.

[TheDarkRodent]

Lousy idea, if you get banned the community owes you nothing as you obviously gave it nothing worthwhile in the first place. I for one am hopeful that Zoklet yet might be turned into something useful in light of the recent wave of long overdue executions. I only lament that I do not have some input as to who walks those final steps to the gallows.

:hang:

[sAINT]

Unless someone is mass spamming , like a bot, there should be no reason for banning.

It's the internet. Who gives a fuck what who says? They're going to say it, mods shouldn't be so butthurt over little shit.

[spiralds123]

:eek:

I thought it seemed kind of quiet around here :mad:

I was thinking the same thing, not that I'm complaining.

[Olaparib]

Its absolutely insane.

There is no way of knowing which mod banned you or why until you get unbanned.

[thatsMYdog]

How long does it take to get unbanned??

[Olaparib]

How long does it take to get unbanned??

30 days generally

Although I think theres also one week bans.

[Kwinnie Bogan]

As the devil's advocate, why should anyone need to know the identity of the Moderator that banned them?

If they truly feel there is a personal grudge against them, they can try to contact M&A and explain that they feel a certain moderator is against them, and if things go how they should and it turns out also that the very same mod was the one who banned you, they will review your case and the ban may or may not be overturned or changed, (or maybe even lengthened).

Revealing the moderator's name only causes trouble on a personal level and grudges, in most cases, which will then continue to be a problem instead of the user just being pretty dissatisfied with the administration - which is often, even those who apparently deserve it think they were in the right. Funny thing is that spammers though are nearly always repentant.


That's Devil's advocate - my view, so you don't take task with me, is this: some bans are aren't finite enough. Banning people who post here is very counter productive for a dying community, unless they really really really offer nothing of value at all. Even stirring up discussion isn't bad.

I am 110% for cleaning the place up and , but banning and infractions, or anything where the admin is against the userbase, just isn't working in this context. Negative returns negative. Positive influence and encouragement, and most of all positive stimulation is key - but that's the hardest thing to do. Takes serious fucking commitment whihc for the longest time will only seem like it's being pissed down the sink rather than clicking your fingers and snapping someone's backbone.

[Olaparib]

As the devil's advocate, why should anyone need to know the identity of the Moderator that banned them?

If they truly feel there is a personal grudge against them, they can try to contact M&A and explain that they feel a certain moderator is against them, and if things go how they should and it turns out also that the very same mod was the one who banned you, they will review your case and the ban may or may not be overturned or changed, (or maybe even lengthened).
It may not be the case that the mod has a personal grudge, just that they made a bad call.

And why force people to waste the Mods & Admins time? Keeping in mind also it can take several days to get a reply. (OH NOES ZOKLET WITHDRAWLS :hrmph:)

It should be possible to contact the mod directly and resolve it. Right now, thats next to impossible.

More info needs to be given when a user is banned.

[Olaparib]

the really hilarious thing is how many of them i know for a fact are still posting under new names.

some of them aren't even currently banned.

The most annoying part of being banned is not being subscribed to all the threads you've previously posted in.

Which is why I now always set my subscriptions to email notification. :p

[SteveMcQueenFmousCarChase]

I suppose it makes sense.. you might as well let people log into UCP to check themselves and message from there?

:p Im brilliant.

[MandatorySuicide]

As the devil's advocate, why should anyone need to know the identity of the Moderator that banned them?

If they truly feel there is a personal grudge against them, they can try to contact M&A and explain that they feel a certain moderator is against them, and if things go how they should and it turns out also that the very same mod was the one who banned you, they will review your case and the ban may or may not be overturned or changed, (or maybe even lengthened).

Revealing the moderator's name only causes trouble on a personal level and grudges, in most cases, which will then continue to be a problem instead of the user just being pretty dissatisfied with the administration - which is often, even those who apparently deserve it think they were in the right. Funny thing is that spammers though are nearly always repentant.
It's just a natural human inclination. When you feel someone has wronged you, it's easily arguable that confronting them directly and trying to reason (not bitch) is the best way to get positive results. When you immediately consult some higher authority, it's pretty common for the other party to take it personally and get defensive. In the case of a mod, it could make them feel like the reg is just on a mission to get them removed. By confronting them directly, and calmly, you can get your point across, and it implies that you respect them enough to think they're capable of having such a discussion. It doesn't matter if you really do. As far as I can tell, a very high percentage of reversed infractions are the result of a simple PM like that. Even in a world full of assholes, good manners can go a long way.

And even if a mod is dead wrong and stubborn as hell, it never hurts to try to make your case. If they're truly being unreasonable, then you've really lost nothing anyway, and the conversation log will make your case that much clearer when you bring it up with someone 'higher'.

To be fair, it's a bit different with bans. After all, a mod could give someone a 3 point infraction without thinking anything of it, and the user gets banned because they already had 7 points racked up. If the user were to blame the whole thing on that one mod, then sure, it would be unfortunate. I don't see why that means a user shouldn't be able to see what that final infraction was for, though. The fact that it resulted in a ban seems like even more of a reason to give someone a chance to talk it out. Some people don't realize how much they like posting here until they have to stop or 'start over' with a new account.

Honestly, I never realized that banned users couldn't see the details on their final infraction. It almost seems like something that was overlooked to me, but Kwinnie has made a good enough case here that I really don't know. The suggestion has my support, but it's not worth much in this case, because I'm pretty sure I can't edit things that are quite that deep. I'm looking forward to seeing what an admin thinks.

That's Devil's advocate - my view, so you don't take task with me, is this: some bans are aren't finite enough. Banning people who post here is very counter productive for a dying community, unless they really really really offer nothing of value at all. Even stirring up discussion isn't bad.

I am 110% for cleaning the place up and , but banning and infractions, or anything where the admin is against the userbase, just isn't working in this context. Negative returns negative. Positive influence and encouragement, and most of all positive stimulation is key - but that's the hardest thing to do. Takes serious fucking commitment whihc for the longest time will only seem like it's being pissed down the sink rather than clicking your fingers and snapping someone's backbone.
Well put. I couldn't agree with you more. I've never been one to say that my ways are best (far from it), I'm just really glad to see someone I can share a page with on this. Seriously, thanks for posting that.:thumbsup:

[Olaparib]

I think this is tricky for most mods to understand, being in the position they are, but when you go to log in only to randomly find you've been banned due to "infractions" with no way of knowing why or who did it, its annoying as fuck and honestly my first reaction (after taking a smoke break) is to just make another account, PM one of the friendlier mods that happens to be online (generally faster than waiting for a supermods response) and ask them to check my profile to see who did the banning and why...then promptly get banned for multiple accounts before anyone replies. :facepalm:

Really its just a waste of time and annoying as hell. It could all be avoided by either

1) Allowing banned used to VIEW but not POST on the forums - so they have access to their User CP (this might cut down on ban evasion too)

2) Change the message from

"You have been banned due to infractions. The ban will be lifted...."

to

"You have been banned for *REASON* by *MODERATOR NAME (CONTACT EMAIL)* the ban will be lifted...


Really, how hard would that be? The only possible downside I can think of is the occasional cunt might spam the mods email, but these days email spam can be dealt with in about two clicks.

Pretty close to HALF of my infractions handed out have been reversed, that should tell you something about both the mod team and how important it is to include contact info when a user is banned.

[AtrainV]

I think you're all neglecting the fact that the moderator who ends placing the infraction that bans an individual may not necessarily be the only moderator involved. In some cases where a 10 point infraction is concerned, then yes, there is only one moderator to consider. However, chances are that a lot of bannings come from accruing a large number of infractions in a short amount of time, and likely includes more than one moderator. Why should the notification then just tell you who laid down the final infraction? Again, it's not important who gave you the infraction, but I can understand why a reason for the banning would be appropriate.

Chances are, however, that if somebody has been banned, they're not going to be surprised by it. They most likely know what they've done that warranted either a large infraction or many small ones (which they would've been notified of before).

[xxNxIxGxGxExRxxJxIxMxx]

hey niggas i dont think that it should even say that u been banned when u get banned it should just show you some sick ass gay porno or sumthing like that lol these mods bein too loenient with ya fagass hos anyway its time to start crackin that whip and banning some muthafuckas up in this peace

[Jesus Christ v2.0]

I think you're all neglecting the fact that the moderator who ends placing the infraction that bans an individual may not necessarily be the only moderator involved. In some cases where a 10 point infraction is concerned, then yes, there is only one moderator to consider. However, chances are that a lot of bannings come from accruing a large number of infractions in a short amount of time, and likely includes more than one moderator. Why should the notification then just tell you who laid down the final infraction? Again, it's not important who gave you the infraction, but I can understand why a reason for the banning would be appropriate.

Chances are, however, that if somebody has been banned, they're not going to be surprised by it. They most likely know what they've done that warranted either a large infraction or many small ones (which they would've been notified of before).

Every single time I've been banned its been the result of a 10pt infraction...and that is why I suggested people be allowed to access their user CP while banned...the easiest solution I think.

Some faggot just banned me again. :facepalm:

I'M WAITING FOR THE INFRACTION TO BE REVERSED YOU CUNTS, FUCK OFF.

[zombo.com]

lmao, the account with the june reg date may not help molosh much. I think he may be more other people than all the rest of us combined.

Seriously though, i'm a talker type, if i've got an issue with someone or if i'm forced to infract them i'd MUCH prefer them to be able to message me about it and discuss it calmly, rather than have them cut off and have no recourse but to get pissed and strike back. It's true that there may be more than one infraction active, but presumably the earlier ones they'd already had a chance to discuss with the mod involved, or higher authority, each infraction is a special case, especially a ten point ban infraction.

[EIONE NOYA/TAMARIBA]

Which account would you like to use while your review is under way?

This one I suppose, save me logging in with another one.

Any why did you delete that post? :confused:

[Earthbound01]

I think this is tricky for most mods to understand, being in the position they are, but when you go to log in only to randomly find you've been banned due to "infractions" with no way of knowing why or who did it, its annoying as fuck and honestly my first reaction (after taking a smoke break) is to just make another account, PM one of the friendlier mods that happens to be online (generally faster than waiting for a supermods response) and ask them to check my profile to see who did the banning and why...then promptly get banned for multiple accounts before anyone replies. :facepalm:

Really its just a waste of time and annoying as hell. It could all be avoided by either

1) Allowing banned used to VIEW but not POST on the forums - so they have access to their User CP (this might cut down on ban evasion too)

2) Change the message from

"You have been banned due to infractions. The ban will be lifted...."

to

"You have been banned for *REASON* by *MODERATOR NAME (CONTACT EMAIL)* the ban will be lifted...


Really, how hard would that be? The only possible downside I can think of is the occasional cunt might spam the mods email, but these days email spam can be dealt with in about two clicks.

Pretty close to HALF of my infractions handed out have been reversed, that should tell you something about both the mod team and how important it is to include contact info when a user is banned.

I second this. It would suck to lose all your subscriptions and such. :(