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Fish
04-23-2007, 05:23 PM
since we don't have a video games section, and this isn't really about software...
Wired.com (http://www.wired.com/gaming/virtualworlds/commentary/games/2007/04/gamesfrontiers_0423) has an interesting article about game cheating.

"A small hardcore group are die-hard purists, like my friend. They don't use any cheats or guides, because they consider it "cheating yourself" of the subtle pleasure of getting stuck in a game -- then suddenly spying the way out." - from the afore-linked article

I can dig that; I've played many games where I got that great feeling of "OOOOOHHH!" when I finally figured something out or was able to beat it - I did that in many games before. That's always a brilliant, almost unmatchable feeling; I distinctly remember the day that I figured out how to beat Monkey Island 2, 18 months after pausing at the final puzzle. But it doesn't always turn out that way. I also own games that I never managed to beat, and that I no longer even consider playing simply because I'm just done trying. And it's not that I'm not a persistent gamer, it's just that sometimes, enough is enough. Sometimes, playing for 10 hours to achieve one single goal so that you can continue the game is just unreasonable to me.


So, with that in mind...
I'd say that looking at hints, FAQs and guides isn't "cheating" if you're only finding out how to beat one part. In fact, I've even entered typed cheats in some games when I just wanted to be able to complete part of the game that was impossible. I usually first try to find out if its just my approach that's faulty (sometimes you just didn't see the correct doorway to go through or something). If I'm doing that correctly, I make sure that my characters (or whatever) are appropriately powerful or leveled up (sometimes you can get to an area WAY before you should be able to beat it). If I'm of the correct level, and I'm doing it correctly, and I STILL can't beat it, then I look for hints or ways to simply circumvent the difficulty(sometimes there's a very subtle way to make a task much easier to complete). Sometimes, this means just reducing the difficulty mid-game (some games let you do this). In other cases, I'll turn on no-clipping or invincibility to bypass something annoying. I mean, no game is perfectly designed - that's WHY there are cheats in some games: so that you don't quit playing it forever just because one part is too hard or stupid.

So yes, I cheat, but only if I feel more cheated by not being able to finish the game or get past a part. I don't completely demystify all of the game's secrets or cheat to beat the whole game without losing any life (or whatever constitutes over-cheating in a given game). I do that AFTER I've beaten it.


And if someone wants to call me a cheater for that, my response is this:
"Fuck you: I payed $50+ for this goddamn game and I'm PISSED at it and I'm frustrated and I want to be able to play ALL of it. I'm not hacking or breaking the game. I'm enabling myself to get through a poorly designed area that is no longer fun."

So when do you cheat?

zuperxtreme
06-04-2009, 10:57 PM
I only cheat a little in sim city-like games. It's fun to just have a ton of money. :mad:

I rarely cheat, though ...

pleasure_to_burn
06-04-2009, 11:18 PM
since we don't have a video games section


The Game Corner (7 Viewing)
Any sort of game you can think of. Even ones you can't! Video games, board games, role playing games, computer games, console games, and even those flash games you play during work while your boss isn't watching.


You'd think a mod would've scrolled down the page at least once or twice...

Monkmaster
06-04-2009, 11:23 PM
The Game Corner (7 Viewing)
Any sort of game you can think of. Even ones you can't! Video games, board games, role playing games, computer games, console games, and even those flash games you play during work while your boss isn't watching.


You'd think a mod would've scrolled down the page at least once or twice...

And you'd think a user would make note of when the OP was made...2007.

The Games Forum wasn't around back then. :facepalm:

Haiti's Space Agency
06-04-2009, 11:23 PM
I only cheat in online games when beating the other people seems impossible so its alright because I'm feeling cheated because I'm not as good as other players so I use hax.

pleasure_to_burn
06-04-2009, 11:30 PM
And you'd think a user would make note of when the OP was made...2007.

The Games Forum wasn't around back then. :facepalm:

Cause everyone looks at the time on every thread they open:rolleyes:

zuperxtreme
06-04-2009, 11:41 PM
And you'd think a user would make note of when the OP was made...2007.

The Games Forum wasn't around back then. :facepalm:

lol

Didn't notice that. :mad:

HTS
06-05-2009, 12:20 AM
lol

Didn't notice that. :mad:

Way to necro the thread.

yxnhpbjac
06-05-2009, 12:54 AM
Way to necro the thread.

I'm the one who originally bumped it, my post was deleted.

HTS
06-05-2009, 12:55 AM
I'm the one who originally bumped it, Fish deleted my post.

Oh. Well.

Daily
06-05-2009, 12:57 AM
I only cheat after I complete the game...

Please insert username
06-10-2009, 05:06 PM
Cause everyone looks at the time on every thread they open:rolleyes:

I do:)

and wats with threads from years ago getting posted in?:confused:

The Cheshire Cat
06-10-2009, 05:06 PM
Alright, I'm sick of this shit. Anyone else bumping old threads gets an infraction. No warning shots. I'm sick of this.

Haiti's Space Agency
06-10-2009, 05:12 PM
Alright, I'm sick of this shit. Anyone else bumping old threads gets an infraction. No warning shots. I'm sick of this.

They're good threads though.