Abolish The Trashcan Threads

[poast-bortem!]

All the stickied threads at the top of sections are obnoxious and posts always disappearing sucks as well. People invest time and energy into their posts... posts that even get thanked, and still they are forced to watch as their ideas are crumpled up and thrown away. If the posts get thanked then it proves that somebody was entertained or educated, so how can content that is appreciated be garbage? Just because a mod thinks it is? Who are they to judge? Some of our mods are total noobs (and it shows) so they let their ego get in the way and end up harassing members and moving quality posts just because the posts insults them. Most of those posts are on topic given, the chaotic nature of this community, and even though they end up insulting a mod, those should be left alone. Why can't mods just clean up spam, personal info, child porn, and stuff like that? I suggest you abolish the trashcan threads and just stop moving people's posts in general. People post where they do for a reason. And further more I think threads go faster, get bigger, and spawn WAY more ideas when you let the flow of information manifest itself naturally. All you do when you move posts around is make things confusing in one thread, and completely senseless in another. It's a fucking waste of space and annoying as well. What do YOU think?

[FireStarter]

I find it a good way to remove blatant off-topic posts, PEOO-style insults, and spam without deleting people's precious "quality posts" that they care so much about. You have to understand that not every forum is a free for all like BC, and specialized ones have somewhat tighter rules. Most forums have their individual rules (please read them before posting) and they are expected to be followed.

This section for instance has a listed rule that doing nothing but insulting users for their ideas while adding nothing to actually intelligently disagree isn't tolerated. For instance, if someone makes a suggestion, and someone doesn't like it so they post "OP is a massive fucking faggot" rather than state why they dislike the idea, their post is not needed and is trashed.

[poast-bortem!]

Well, considering you're the one who's been moving tons of legitimate posts just because they happen to insult you, I'll take all that with a grain of salt. There's really no point in saying you're doing them a favor by not deleting their content because throwing it in a trashcan thread that makes no sense isn't much better. Those threads have no actual conversation, and half the time they are locked, so if the mod responses to your point after moving it to a trashcan thread, you can't reply back because it's locked. The whole thing just turns into a huge garbage heap that sits at the top of sections and makes them look... trashy. It's a self defeating solution to a problem that not only will never go away, but doesn't even need to be fixed in the first place.

[Fish]

Over 80% of the userbase wants there to be some level of moderation of off-topic posts. A trashcan thread is an easy way to separate those posts into a place where interested posters can continue the conversation. Putting an end to trashcan threads means that we'd either have mods outright deleting anything off-topic (even stricter than it is now, imo) or simply not taking care of off-topic posts at all, which is definitely not going to happen.

I WILL make sure that the trashcan threads don't get locked, which defeats the purpose of the thread, but I see absolutely no reason whatsoever to tell mods to simply not deal with off-topic posts, as it's already been demonstrated that four fifths of the users want them to.

[poast-bortem!]

Yeah but what about when mods move on topic posts just because the post is insulting to them personally? If a post is legitimate but also appears off-topic: what then?

[Fish]

Yeah but what about when mods move on topic posts just because the post is insulting to them personally? If a post is legitimate but also appears off-topic: what then?

In that scenario, we (the admins and supers) talk to the moderator. And believe me - just because you don't see that happening, doesn't mean that it isn't.

Alternately, users are also allowed to either talk with the moderator to negotiate these things, or even a supermoderator, if that isn't working out.

[poast-bortem!]

Alright, so long as legitimate posts are protected from butt hurt cry baby noob mods that don't know how to do their job, then I'm happy. Thanks for the input Fish...

[DaGuru]

In that scenario, we (the admins and supers) talk to the moderator. And believe me - just because you don't see that happening, doesn't mean that it isn't.

Alternately, users are also allowed to either talk with the moderator to negotiate these things, or even a supermoderator, if that isn't working out.

Care to share with us how Firestarter was "talked to" in regard to what you are discussing here? Because I STILL see erroneous bullshit infractions on my record for nonsense all because he is a butthurt little cunt. Threads YOU started Fish, so you can't claim you haven't witnessed him wrongfully moving people's posts to the off-topic thread.

InB4 this post goes *poof* and that's all a fuckin mystery too. :paranoid:

[Fish]

I just told him my idea of how this forum should work. It's not a "locked-down" forum like the Trading Pit - it's basically one step above the General Forums. Some really good ideas have resulted from the off-topic conversations that happen in here and so I just asked him to continue to move blatant trash poss to the garbage thread, but to take it easy on the off-topic stuff.

I don't think he's a terrible mod, I think he was just assuming that this forum was to be moderated much more strictly than it needs to be, and so I told him otherwise.

[DaGuru]

I just told him my idea of how this forum should work. It's not a "locked-down" forum like the Trading Pit - it's basically one step above the General Forums. Some really good ideas have resulted from the off-topic conversations that happen in here and so I just asked him to continue to move blatant trash poss to the garbage thread, but to take it easy on the off-topic stuff.

I don't think he's a terrible mod, I think he was just assuming that this forum was to be moderated much more strictly than it needs to be, and so I told him otherwise.

And in the meantime, this account and several other members have their records tainted with bogus infractions with you people putting him "in training" in one of the more controversial sections of the website. I guess we are all just test dummies until he's figured it the fuck out, huh? : /

[DaGuru]

I just told him my idea of how this forum should work. It's not a "locked-down" forum like the Trading Pit - it's basically one step above the General Forums. Some really good ideas have resulted from the off-topic conversations that happen in here and so I just asked him to continue to move blatant trash poss to the garbage thread, but to take it easy on the off-topic stuff.

I don't think he's a terrible mod, I think he was just assuming that this forum was to be moderated much more strictly than it needs to be, and so I told him otherwise.

Seems like he needs another talking to, becuase he is still a fuckin clueless putz......as well as closing legit threads since he can't swallow truthful commentary.
Remember this question you put up to the masses, less than 36 hours ago?

http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showpost.php?p=2042752&postcount=111

So, what do you guys think about the new policy?

Hey..... fuck the users input, fuck you getting a handle on everyone's take, and fuck you trying to make an informed decision about community policy.....as long as Firestarter's ego remains intact, everything else comes a far second in I & F, right? :thumbsdown:

Oh, and we are still waiting to see how you are going to "resolve" the member's problems/infractions/bans that were wrongfully moderated by Firestarter while he is fumbling around so badly trying to figure out this job.

[DECI4]

Seems like he needs another talking to, becuase he is still a fuckin clueless putz......as well as closing legit threads since he can't swallow truthful commentary.
Remember this question you put up to the masses, less than 36 hours ago?

http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showpost.php?p=2042752&postcount=111



Hey..... fuck the users input, fuck you getting a handle on everyone's take, and fuck you trying to make an informed decision about community policy.....as long as Firestarter's ego remains intact, everything else comes a far second in I & F, right? :thumbsdown:

Oh, and we are still waiting to see how you are going to "resolve" the member's problems/infractions/bans that were wrongfully moderated by Firestarter while he is fumbling around so badly trying to figure out this job.

Quit flapping your wrists you fucking queen. No one likes you or gives a shit what you have to say. I think pretty much anyone would rather have Firestarter as a mod than you as a poster.

[FireStarter]

Poll was complete, and a ruling was made by the admin, thus the thread was locked. It is common practice to lock suggestions that have either been completed or rejected within 24-48 hours, as there is no sense in discussing it further. It has nothing to do with my ego, or shutting anyone up. I welcome you to cry your eyes out in PEOO all you want, and nobody will tell you not to. I find it amusing how much time you have to dedicate to little ol' me. :lol:

Anywhoo, no more commentary about me, other users, etc in I&F. We are here to discuss the ideas that are suggested. We have been over this.

[The Methematician]

Over 80% of the userbase wants there to be some level of moderation of off-topic posts. A trashcan thread is an easy way to separate those posts into a place where interested posters can continue the conversation. Putting an end to trashcan threads means that we'd either have mods outright deleting anything off-topic (even stricter than it is now, imo) or simply not taking care of off-topic posts at all, which is definitely not going to happen.

I WILL make sure that the trashcan threads don't get locked, which defeats the purpose of the thread, but I see absolutely no reason whatsoever to tell mods to simply not deal with off-topic posts, as it's already been demonstrated that four fifths of the users want them to.

Include reference/source to your phaggotted statistics or risk getttin called lying phaggott who pulled numbers out of his fish ass,

cock sucker.

[Dose Me]

Include reference/source to your phaggotted statistics or risk getttin called lying phaggott who pulled numbers out of his fish ass,

cock sucker.

http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=126833

Here you go you giant dipshit it was like 5 threads down.

I can tell you've been poked in the eye a few times

cock sucker.

[DaGuru]

http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=126833

Here you go you giant dipshit it was like 5 threads down.

I can tell you've been poked in the eye a few times

cock sucker.

And where in that poll did it say ANYTHING about "trash can threads". There is no relevancy in the least between the two.

Face it, "Trash Can Threads" are just a lazy man's tool for moderating.....and if certain mods around here didn't have that easy crutch to fall on, they'd never be able to handle the job. Much like the moderator of THIS section. :facepalm:

[Daily]

I still don't understand why the fuck a mod would CLOSE a thread THEN move it to the Trashcan OR close a thread and leave it in the forum it was created in. This is horrible and inconsistent modding which makes absolutely NO sense. I made a thread months ago where I suggested that no threads get closed, but merely moved to the Trashcan and numerous users agreed with this idea. I think Fish posted something in my thread, but of course, nothing happened.

EDIT: http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=98575

I find Fish's answer to be unsatisfactory! ^

[Toothlessjoe]

It's almost as stupid as when a mod locks a thread because it's filled with "spam" or has been "de-railed" (in actual fact, conversation has just shifted direction), rather than doing their job and cleaning it up.

... but this has always been a problem, trying to force the direction of a conversation. Only blatant spam should get removed, people go off on tangents all the time in real life; it's just part of social interaction. Threads are conversations that start with a direction and ultimately change over time.

Threads are not wikipedia entries, stop treating them as such.

[HLC]

Just to clarify things:

the Trashcan is for entire threads that basically insult a forum's regulars. Yeah, basically trash.
Now, mind you, a good troll thread isn't necessarily trash, IMO.
But I use the Trashcan forum for copy-cat and horrendously bad trolling threads.

The so called trashcan sticky, like mine in CoW , is a catch-all for off-topic posts that disrupt a thread.
However the thread itself continues, sans off-topic BS, thus saving it from being sent off to the trashcan forum.
Entire threads should not be deposited there, just off topic posts.

The necessity to create the demi-trashcan stickies came about because deleting posts was not acceptable via Zok's decree.

I started the first one and if you wish to see a somewhat judicial use of it, check out the original:

http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=60880

my own post is the last one (as I post this), as sometimes I'm guilty of getting into off-topic flame wars, which after the war is over, the off-topic posts get moved, including mine.
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tldr: Those stickies keep posts from being "totally" deleted,
which is a good thang

[The Methematician]

http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=126833

Here you go you giant dipshit it was like 5 threads down.

I can tell you've been poked in the eye a few times

cock sucker.

[1] Opinion on how strict moderation should be =X= opinions on how trashcan should be modded.

[2]
Threads: 113,150, Posts: 1,899,503, Members: 14,218, Active Members: 2,215
Welcome to our newest member, nytrapzone


[2-b] Voters: 325. This poll is closed.

XX% out of 325 out of a total of 2215 active members =X= 80% ... muchless out of 14k regisstered members.

Conclusion : your a nigger and like all niggers, you phail at math cos affirmative actions made in mandatory for everyone else to calculate *FOR* you.

[Daily]

^ Haha, I really don't like you, but I'm gonna go ahead and thank your post. Faggot.

[The Methematician]

^ Haha, I really don't like you, but I'm gonna go ahead and thank your post. Faggot.

This reminds me about some neo-nazi-skinhead who'd barked just how much he hate niggers before he shove his dick into a nigger he got pinned down on the ground and he kept thrusting that nigger ass till he cummed.

And at the end of it he stood up and call that nigger a phaggott too before walking away.

You "hate" me somuch that you have to thank me just like that neo-nazi guy .... aint'ya.

[The Methematician]

I ... I am sorry, I'll now go suck a cock.

Damn .... another name kicken and his phaggotted ass taken. ANYONE WLSE WANT A PIECE OF ME ? FIGHT ME GOTT DAMN MIT,

FIGHT ME. PLEASE.

[The Methematician]

" and let's not forget where .... and out of whose ass this phaggotted idea of a thrashcan thread came out from ....

YESS ... they all came out from an ass of a prominent asshole we all knew and still remember ... the phaggott who'd been modded in shame and demodded in disgrace ... twice !

The verie same asshole which the current administration of &Z seemed fit to abandon his retarded policies and together with all of his retarded ideas ... and thus his demodtion.

But alas ... can we free ourselves from tyrants and their acts of tyranny if we continue to go by and adhere to tyrannous ideas and policies ??? What's the point of having Hitler removed but letting the racial purity laws remain in place ???? Can we then say "we had freed ourselves from Nazism" ????

To have that'd be an admission of retardation on the part iof &Z's administration ... an admission of either ONE of these are true :

[1] The asshole nad his policies were right and sensible and the &Z administration had been retarded to have him removed ...

or

[2] The administration odf &Z had bben right to have the phaggot removed because of his retarded ways of modding and his retarded policies, but aren't smart enough to remove his retarded policies and thus these retarded "thrash can thread" idea remained ... "

*door burst open and -scatraL enters*

5 minutes earlier ....

Ladies and gentleman ... let me remind you all that inalienable fact :

THRASH CAN THREAD = POST DELETION !

To tear someone's post out of the thread they're originally in and then put it in another thread, all out of context, and into a place where place where none is going to read them, including the OP *IS* post deletion ! Like if I go into your house and take the tapes of your answering machine and shove it up your ass while you sleep so you'll never be able to find them ... or evn know where they all went ...

that's just the same as message deletion. Although technically the messages aren't deleted and remained intact in your asses, but since you won;t be able to read it, and none'd be able to hear them, those messages had ceased to serve their purpose of messanging .... they're just as good as deleted. The same goes for posts posted.

and secondly ; telling a man to go into a soundproof pit to exercise his freedom of speech and shout .... on the top of his lungs whatever he wanted in a way none would be able to hear him *IS NOT* freedom of speech .....

It's just another way of saying the phaggotts are running the show ...

[Shrike]

Yeah, I think spictroll was the first to do a trash can thread. By having one in your forums, you are basically saying you agree with his style of moderation.

[DirtySanchez]

[1] Opinion on how strict moderation should be =X= opinions on how trashcan should be modded.

[2]

[2-b] Voters: 325. This poll is closed.

XX% out of 325 out of a total of 2215 active members =X= 80% ... muchless out of 14k regisstered members.

Conclusion : your a nigger and like all niggers, you phail at math cos affirmative actions made in mandatory for everyone else to calculate *FOR* you.

Damnit this faggot is over here too.:facepalm:

[-SpectraL]

I'd sure hate to be this asshole you're talking about.

*wipes single bead of sweat from brow*

Shows how much you know; I'm not the one that came up with the off-topic thread. All that bluster you spewed was was nothing, kid. I wasn't demodded either, I resigned because of crooked administration practices.

[poast-bortem!]

Don't listen to Spectral. He was demodded immediately after he apologized for throwing a huge temper tantrum. He had withdrawn his resignation because he believed he had reached an agreement with the admins, but they demodded his sorry ass anyway for being such a baby.

[-SpectraL]

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[Hobbit]

yeaa coool!