Is it true?

[Cliche Guevara]

That if someone is holding a rifle pressed against your back, you can spin around and grab the gun faster they can shoot you. (because of leverage).

Also another thing I skeptical about, is the idea that you can break someones neck by twisting it. I think it takes alot more force then as seen on tv.

[Nagasaki911]

I am no expert but if you have ever let your neck go loose and twisted it with your hands it doesn't feel like to much force would be needed (considering you would have a better grip most likely). And as to the shotgun thing it depends on the reflexes of the guy holding the gun to your head.

[The Swede]

Pressed against your back and shitty reflexes sounds like it would be possible, but i doubt it really, and depending on the situation i wouldn't recommed it.

[reggie_love]

Don't know about the rifle thing, but as far as breaking someone's neck goes it can be done. You just need to use leverage to apply sufficient force with your body weight, so unless you're some kind of Ronnie Coleman, you can't do it standing up like they do in the movies.

That's what I've read anyway, it could be a total load.

[blue_monday]

sounds like a recipe for a shot in the back to me...

[jackketch]

I am no expert but if you have ever let your neck go loose and twisted it with your hands it doesn't feel like to much force would be needed (considering you would have a better grip most likely). And as to the shotgun thing it depends on the reflexes of the guy holding the gun to your head.

Thing is no one who knows anything about killing will ever press any sort of gun into your back. Yes it IS possible to spin faster than they can pull the trigger IF YOU KNOW when they are going to pull. You see a trigger is a mechanical device and on most guns (be it handguns, shotgun or rifles) it takes a fair amount of time and effort relatively speaking to pull.

Chances are anyone pressing a rifle into your back won't be ready to fire after the first few seconds. However grabbing it doesn't sound like a good idea to me. Assuming you have some training I'd say spin into a side step and maybe take his eye out as you pass. THEN from behind him, as it were, go for the gun.

[The English Gentleman]

it takes a fair amount of time and effort relatively speaking to pull.

Ketch' dont know about my anchutz target trigger...

[LavaRed]

Thing is no one who knows anything about killing will ever press any sort of gun into your back. Yes it IS possible to spin faster than they can pull the trigger IF YOU KNOW when they are going to pull. You see a trigger is a mechanical device and on most guns (be it handguns, shotgun or rifles) it takes a fair amount of time and effort relatively speaking to pull.

Chances are anyone pressing a rifle into your back won't be ready to fire after the first few seconds. However grabbing it doesn't sound like a good idea to me. Assuming you have some training I'd say spin into a side step and maybe take his eye out as you pass. THEN from behind him, as it were, go for the gun.

QFT. Holding a gun anywhere close to someone you are holding at gunpoint makes it liable to be snatched away, or other unsavoury circumstances.

[Lao Tzu]

Stop, Drop, Go mental in a backwards direction

[Random_Looney]

1. It's possible. Action-reaction continuum. I've trained for it. Even since WW2 with Get Tough by Fairbain, the educated or knowledgeable don't touch you with the weapon.

2. Theoretically. Not practically.

[supperrfreek]

1. it sounds like they would have to be very distracted. I wouldn't want to test it out.

[ilovechronic]

certain people can grab a hand gun and point it in a safer direction before the person with the gun can pull the trigger.

Reaction and reflex varies from person to person so you never know. When you try and grab one guys gun he may have a fast enough reaction to pull the trigger.

Think about it, the gun holder must first see the person go for the gun then the message goes to their brain and has to be sent back down to their finger.
By this time, the gun grabber already has grabbed the gun and is working on pointing it away from their body.

There is a show called fight science and they had a Israeli special forces guy try grabbing the pistol before the guy could pull the trigger and he was sucessful in grabing the gun and pointing it away from him and then taking the gun and pointing it back at the original gun holder.

this same person also managed to run under 200 degree heat lamps for 20 minutes until he had a core body temp of 104 degrees, after that he redid the challenge where he had to assemble a beretta and then pick it up and aim at a guy that pops out on th e second floor. He then has to aim for the COM and empty the mag in to it to complete the challenge.

He did itFASTER in the stressful conditions (with he 104 body temp) than he did in normal conditions.

Not everyone can do what this guy does. as in most cant.

[LavaRed]

certain people can grab a hand gun and point it in a safer direction before the person with the gun can pull the trigger.

Reaction and reflex varies from person to person so you never know. When you try and grab one guys gun he may have a fast enough reaction to pull the trigger.

Think about it, the gun holder must first see the person go for the gun then the message goes to their brain and has to be sent back down to their finger.
By this time, the gun grabber already has grabbed the gun and is working on pointing it away from their body.

There is a show called fight science and they had a Israeli special forces guy try grabbing the pistol before the guy could pull the trigger and he was sucessful in grabing the gun and pointing it away from him and then taking the gun and pointing it back at the original gun holder.

this same person also managed to run under 200 degree heat lamps for 20 minutes until he had a core body temp of 104 degrees, after that he redid the challenge where he had to assemble a beretta and then pick it up and aim at a guy that pops out on th e second floor. He then has to aim for the COM and empty the mag in to it to complete the challenge.

He did itFASTER in the stressful conditions (with he 104 body temp) than he did in normal conditions.

Not everyone can do what this guy does. as in most cant.


My bodyguard had a gun pointed at him years ago when he was still atcive duty, and he managed to point it away from himself before the guy pulled the trigger. His only mistake was placing his finger in front of the muzzle: He nearly had it shot off, and required extensive surgery to keep it on his hand, albeit a centimeter or so shorter.

[Cliche Guevara]

wtf you have a body guard? are you some kind of pop music sensation?

[reggie_love]

wtf you have a body guard? are you some kind of pop music sensation?

He lives in Guatemala and goes to college. That's pretty much enough to get you kidnapped/murdered there.

[blue_monday]

He's a farmer:cool:

Better a piece of a finger than dead though right?

[Random_Looney]

wtf you have a body guard? are you some kind of pop music sensation?

It's like in the Philippines. Everyone has a bodyguard, unless you're poor.

It's definitely possible to deflect a weapon if someone isn't already pulling the trigger, you just need certain techniques such as particular movements that minimize your cross sectional area to the target, get you out of the muzzle path, and aren't as readily picked up ala peripheral vision. You also need to train and be fast.

I'm not saying it's a great thing to go try out, but it's more than possible.

[Mephistos Minion]

If its a front on situation grab the slide and get the fucking thing outta battery. Then you go from there.

[JoePedo]

Can? Yes. Absolutely guaranteed? Not exactly.

If you're hell-bent on it, my personal choice would be actively striking the rifle with the oblique of the side turning towards him, while moving up the gun... for a variety of reasons.

As for popping necks - it's actually more technique than force.

[Random_Looney]

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If you're hell-bent on it, my personal choice would be actively striking the rifle with the oblique of the side turning towards him, while moving up the gun... for a variety of reasons.


This is one of the absolute best techniques I've practiced. It can work more or less with handguns, too. While doing it, one can gain muzzle control by sort of cupping the weapon with the oblique-side arm, bent at the elbow.