Is it possible to have a lucid dream, and not know it?

[driveby]

I always have dreams where I am flying, or where I can move my arms, and shoot far above the house. I have dreams where I am flying over water, and being pulled down. I thought, at most, these were predictions of death, or memories pre-life, I never remotely suspected I was out of my body. I went to the lucid dreaming thread in shrink wrap, and the mother fucker was describing what I had. I have also felt like I was levitating, once when jumping in my backyard, and I felt like if I acknowledged the scientific possibility, I would fly into the air. I also saw an ambulance, while walking through the desert, thought it was cops, and skipped to the house, clearing 200 feet in like 8 seconds. I felt like I did in the dreams, but my heart was beating fast, and I was out of breath. When you AP, does your body just pass out?

[ArmsMerchant]

To answer your titular question (heh ehe, he said titular), no. A lucid dream is by definition,one in which you know you are dreaming.

[driveby]

I meant, did I leave my body, and not know it? I KNEW I was dreaming, I'm not that stupid. This is in response to the shrinkwrap thread: http://bbs.zoklet.net/showthread.php?p=205917#post205917.

[Frank]

You were most certainly not lucid, you just did some seemingly impossible things which is quite common in dreams.

[driveby]

How the fuck was it not astral projection?

[Dream of the iris]

I've read that when we dream we do astral project, or at least sometimes we do. There's not really enough solid info about it, though. Maybe I just haven't looked hard enough.

When you AP, you're in a semi conscious state. You are still conscious of your body, but you are much more..lucid? Hm. Much more clear. I don't know I can't really describe it right now. It's like being in a dream, but conscious. Lol, that sucked. Well, maybe I'll try again later.

[driveby]

Well, the dreams of flying, over accurate locations... How can you make yourself do it? I can't really type either, since I may be dodging a jail sentence in a few minutes.

[BungHole]

Well, considering we forget most of our dreams, I think it is very probable. . .

[GreatestGatsby4]

The real question here is, is it possible to not have a lucid dream and be aware of it while you're dreaming?

[Figure-8]

In the dream experience, I have found that it is almost as seemingly unlimited as out here, but even more. For instance, I have had every experience, for the most part, I have had in life, many times over and in various dreams.

About a direct paradoxical notion to consciousness being relatively aware yet remaining non-lucid?

Yes. Imagine being in a nightmare that you are aware of. You know it's that similar nightmare because of the theme, the sounds, the location, etc. Most of us probably have no been plagued by nightmares in such a way since childhood, so we may have to remember, but when this happened we would become aware of the dream without having any knowledge of how to get out of it!

By buying into the emotional response warranted in the subjective view of the dream, by being the dreamer, we make the dream become more real. It seemingly reacts. In reality this is all a reflection of our very mind and memories and the conscious decisions/"acts" that we can be said to make or understand in-the-moment.

The in-the-moment part is interesting, because normally our dreams are kind of spread out and variously in the moment, but never enough so that we are aware of our totality of decisions to make based upon what is happening when it's happening. Only after the waking do we normally remember. This is all a metaphor.

When we wake "within" the dream (which is just reflection of ourselves and our experiences in life), we are gaining the possibility of dictating a much larger aspect of the situation. One that seemingly goes beyond the "conscious"/subconscious barrier, or the separation between the environment and our conscious decision making process, our will.

I always thought it was interesting thinking this growing up, because nightmares seem to be the perfect tool to learn how to navigate the opportunities of various emotional or mental involvement. With the lessened, fear-turned-to-steam attitude, I found that I Could negate the moment. Whenever the "worst" would happen, bodily harm or a monster getting you or falling or something, I could change my focus from being a reactive and "out of the moment" one that has no power, and become 'in the moment' and simply think of a joke or something like that to convince myself that I am ok.

I learned very quickly the importance of the knowledge of the use of SYMBOLS in dreams and how what you do in life always reflects in your dreams. I realized that by making a metaphor out of the dream, you can convince the rest of reality to fall in place. If a monster tries to scare you, laugh, it will seem funny. The lights will brighten and the "set" will have to readjust. This is also another metaphor I learned early on. The dream is always like a movie "set". You change the theme and the setting will change. The theme is in your mind, you're the main character.

It's always interesting going through the current selections of options in a dream, always remember to keep that main character reflective of what you want in life, because the subconscious that your consciousness is only a single slice of, literally does not see the difference between the dreams and waking life. So it will reflect within and throughout your life the same.

[dephdiddy]

Is it possible to have a lucid dream, and not know it?

ONLY if at your highest moment of lucidity in waking life, you dont know what the fuck is going on. so to reword that, only if you fail blood tests and try to drown gold fish i'd imagine.