Californians Reject Legalization Of Marijuana

[Saor]

It was the cliche line of the night - Proposition 19 went up in smoke as voters rejected legalizing marijuana in California.

The author of Proposition 19 conceded defeat as early results showed the initiative trailing by more than 10 percent two hours after the polls closed.

“And so, while we didn’t bring in enough votes tonight to pass Prop. 19, we know that we have achieved an enormous moral victory, and that there are millions of people across the country who are prepared to help finish the job they started here today when we come back to the polls stronger than ever in 2012," Prop. 19 author Richard Lee said in a statement.

Prop. 19 would have allowed possession of small amounts of marijuana for personal use, and given cities and counties the power to regulate and tax commercial marijuana sales.

The proposition was the brainchild of cannabis activist Lee, a 47-year-old libertarian in Oakland. Lee also founded Oaksterdam University, a quasi-college that offers courses in marijuana cultivation and harvesting, as well as the politics of marijuana.

“I always thought if alcohol is advertised and legal on television then cannabis should be legal, too. It’s hypocritical and unfair to lock people up for cannabis and not alcohol," Lee told KPBS in September.

The proposition had been leading in polls as recently as late September, but support began declining closer to election day.

Here in San Diego County, several elected officials expressed opposition to Proposition 19, including the entire County Board of Supervisors and District Attorney Bonnie Dumanis.

Dumanis said even those who want to legalize pot in California didn’t like this proposition because it left regulation up to cities and counties rather than the state.

“When they took a look at it they saw this was not the vehicle to do it," Dumanis said.

Dumanis says recent changes to the law which decriminalized marijuana in California also contributed to Prop 19’s demise.

Dumanis said the initiative was poorly written.

Under the proposition, cities and counties would have decided whether they wanted to license recreational pot dispensaries and/or grow and sell pot on a large scale. They could also tax sales of weed.

The underground pot market is estimated to be worth $14 billion, making the prospect of legalization and taxation attractive to some local governments.

The city of Oakland, for example, has already approved the large scale production of medical marijuana, which promises to create hundreds of new jobs and generate millions in tax revenue.

http://www.kpbs.org/news/2010/nov/02/proposition-19-election-result/

[Irukanji]

lol Prop. 19 was never going to pass, not with all those homos in California.

[Nero]

Fucking hilarious.

[Tunicate]

oh please, San Francisco voted vast majority yes

[THIS IS IMPORTANT GODDAMNIT]

So I guess this is how the world will end in 2012 :D

[LiquidIce]

Heh, I see the Californian butt cowboys and libertarians couldn't do shit for their beloved weed.

Oh well, nothing of value was lost.

[poast-bortem!]

It would have been retarded if weed was legalized anyway. They wouldn't legalize it if they weren't going to profit off it, they wouldn't give us the chance to vote if they didn't assume we were going to fuck ourselves over in their favor. Fuck the government, where I live weed is just as common as it would be if it were legal so I'd rather things stay that way.

eoPiJOubR-4

Another funny thought is that all the stoners in favor of prop 19 got high and forgot to vote.

[Trousersnake]

Oh my god what a fucking failure - America blows it.

Unbelievable. Way to fuck up guys, seriously. Enjoy continuing to pay taxes to make criminals out of users.

Any other Country/State/County outside the states would have passed it without a hitch - What was the opposition, I mean really? Religious kooks?

[Obbe]

Mostly assholes who think it's better the way it is. (It isn't).

[darkus]

What was the opposition, I mean really? Religious kooks?

Pretty much, yes. That and old people whose beliefs are stuck in the 1930s. I'd say a good 90% of the people I've debated with on the subject were against it for primarily biblical/moral reasons. It's quite sad, really. I'd say closer to 95% of people who voted against it know absolutely nothing of the plant.

[Trousersnake]

Pretty much, yes. I'd say a good 90% of the people I've debated with on the subject were against it for primarily biblical/moral reasons. It's quite sad, really. I'd say closer to 95% of people who voted against it know absolutely nothing of the plant.

Were there fear campaigns against it like modern day reefer madness and blown out of proportion health concerns...collapse of society theories etc?

They'd be as funny as they would be annoying and infuriating.

[Nero]

Who gives a shit? Are you really going to let the government decide what you do?

Whether or not they consider my drug use acceptable has about fuck all influence on my life and my fun.

[Trousersnake]

Who gives a shit? Are you really going to let the government decide what you do?

Whether or not they consider my drug use acceptable has about fuck all influence on my life and my fun.

It's about the people deciding what the government can do...

California has really fucked up with this, and you have no idea.

[Nero]

It's about the people deciding what the government can do...

California has really fucked up with this, and you have no idea.

This just in: Most human beings are ignorant and stupid. More news at 11.

[Dionysus]

That is a pity, but I guess it is human nature. Culure seems to only change through slow atrophy and quick collapse. Ignor the bullshit and do what you want while it is still possible.

[ComradeAsh]

Heh, I see the Californian butt cowboys and libertarians couldn't do shit for their beloved weed.

Oh well, nothing of value was lost.

I had a vision of a body that ended at the buttocks...but it was wearing a stetson.

[Snoopy]

I told you faggot stoners I would LOL at this. Now I'm LOL'LERIN like mad.

[Trousersnake]

This just in: Most human beings are ignorant and stupid. More news at 11.

I'm just upset a real opportunity to make a positive change for awhile has been completely wasted for no good reason. A joke could be made that the stoners forgot to vote, the sad reality is that people actually went specifically to vote against it...I know people are stupid and what not but, man...this is the worst.

I'm actually in a state of disbelief.

[NamelessNom4d]

lol... I wasn't getting my hopes up too high. I wouldn't have been surprised if either outcome happened, but I actually kinda expected it not to pass. I live in Pennsylvania anyway, so it wouldn't have affected me much either way.

I was hoping it would pass though so there would be a ripple effect and cheap good weed would eventually make it en mass to the east coast.

Looks like I'm still payin $20/gram for good chronic :mad:

[Trousersnake]

I told you faggot stoners I would LOL at this. Now I'm LOL'LERIN like mad.

I don't get your angle. I'm genuinely interested.

[47 47 47]

I was on the norml chat last night, and people were bitching about Humboldt county for some reason. Saying "Boycott humboldt weed!"

Anyone know why?

[Trousersnake]

Some say the end is near.
Some say we'll see armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will.
I sure could use a vacation from this

Bullshit three ring circus sideshow of
Freaks

Here in this hopeless fucking hole we call LA
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.
Any fucking time. Any fucking day.
Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona bay.

Fret for your figure and
Fret for your latte and
Fret for your lawsuit and
Fret for your hairpiece and
Fret for your prozac and
Fret for your pilot and
Fret for your contract and
Fret for your car.

It's a
Bullshit three ring circus sideshow of
Freaks

Here in this hopeless fucking hole we call LA
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.
Any fucking time. Any fucking day.
Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona bay.

Some say a comet will fall from the sky.
Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still.
Followed by millions of dumbfounded dipshits.

Some say the end is near.
Some say we'll see armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will cuz
I sure could use a vacation from this

STUPID shit, silly shit, stupid shit...

One great big festering neon distraction,
I've a suggestion to keep you all occupied.

Learn to swim.

Mum's gonna fix it all soon.
Mum's comin' round to put it back the way it ought to be.

Learn to swim.

Fuck L Ron Hubbard and
Fuck all his clones.
Fuck all these gun-toting
Hip gangster wannabes.

Learn to swim.

Fuck retro anything.
Fuck your tattoos.
Fuck all you junkies and
Fuck your short memory.

Learn to swim.

Fuck smiley glad-hands,
With hidden agendas.
Fuck these dysfunctional,
Insecure actresses.

Learn to swim.

Cuz I'm praying for rain
And I'm praying for tidal waves
I wanna see the ground give way.
I wanna watch it all go down.
Mum please flush it all away.
I wanna see it go right in and down.
I wanna watch it go right in.
Watch you flush it all away.

Time to bring it down again.
Don't just call me pessimist.
Try and read between the lines.

I can't imagine why you wouldn't
Welcome any change, my friend.

I wanna see it come down.
Come down.
Suck it down.
Flush it down.


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Fuck California

[-SpectraL]

There were so many young people coming in to vote that they had to bring in more polling booths. This result is a blatant fraud perpetrated by persons who had direct access to the poll results... there's no other way to look at it.

[zuperxtreme]

lol:

http://i.imgur.com/07jBN.png

[Reefer]

The intellectual capacity of the voting electorate really does make democracy a scary proposition sometimes...

[darkus]

Were there fear campaigns against it like modern day reefer madness and blown out of proportion health concerns...collapse of society theories etc?

Well, people with certain political standpoints are generally only going to watch the news stations or read publications that are geared and directed toward them. Every major news network has it's own political agendas, and because they know their audiences they know how to play them.

People aren't going to believe weed isn't nearly as bad as they were brought up to believe if they don't want to believe. Unfortunately A LOT of these people are so incredibly stubborn in their beliefs that no amount of evidence will make them change their minds. I mean, some of these people seriously think alcohol isn't that bad for you and weed is far more dangerous for fucks sake. The amount of hypocrisy I've seen in people's opinions of alcohol and marijuana is absolutely disgusting. The fact that the majority of these folks think weed is way worse than alcohol is depressing, and even more sad is how often some of them will go on to defend alcohol's laws with total fail logic. Worst of all, there are a lot of people like this.

If the ignorant want to remain ignorant, they're going to do so. What really needs to change is people should be forced to take a general knowledge test about a particular issue before they're allowed to vote on it. You fail, your vote doesn't count. Far too many people voted against prop 19 even though practically everything they know about cannabis they learned from D.A.R.E., church, their parents, or any other number of people who use their leverage on the young to brainwash them with their ignorant bullshit.

The battle was lost, but the war is far from over. We're going to win this, it's just a matter of time.

[zuperxtreme]

If the ignorant want to remain ignorant, they're going to do so. What really needs to change is people should be forced to take a general knowledge test about a particular issue before they're allowed to vote on it. You fail, your vote doesn't count. Far too many people voted against prop 19 even though practically everything they know about cannabis they learned from D.A.R.E., church, their parents, or any other number of people who use their leverage on the young to brainwash them with their ignorant bullshit.

Nononono, voting should stay the way it is. If you start discriminating based on test results, they'll soon be discrimination based on wealth, area of residence, etc. I think history has taught us that that doesn't work.
I understand were you're coming from, but excluding any percentage of the population based on anything is the least democratic thing you could do.

What people need is education before hand, fliers in the streets, rallies, school programs, etc.

[darkus]

Nononono, voting should stay the way it is. If you start discriminating based on test results, they'll soon be discrimination based on wealth, area of residence, etc. I think history has taught us that that doesn't work.

I don't think so, really. The test isn't an intelligence test -- just a general knowledge quiz. Even the stupid can learn, and even the smart can be wrong.

I understand were you're coming from, but excluding any percentage of the population based on anything is the least democratic thing you could do.

Would they be excluded? No, absolutely not. But what they would be forced to do is LEARN about what they're voting on. These days, people aren't voting for people, rather they're voting against people. So often do these fools not realize what their candidate is even about. They just know that he's not "the other guy", so he must be the right choice.


What people need is education before hand, fliers in the streets, rallies, school programs, etc.

That's all I'm saying. Damn near everyone has access to information these days, so there's no excuse in these people being ignorant. Like I said earlier, if someone doesn't want to learn, they're not going to. Problem with this is they can still use their complete lack of knowledge to make the laws.

[-SpectraL]

Now they're going to continue to spend billions of taxpayer's dollars prosecuting 900K+ people a year in the Californian courts for simple possession of small amounts of personal usage marijuana when the country's economy is already at rock bottom and the country is literally falling apart at the seams. Makes a whole lot of sense. Fucking chimps... you really gotta hand it to them for their consistent stupidity.

[darkus]

I'd have to put my blame on religion this time. Like one of my posts earlier, some of the most common reasons anti-weeders use involve biblical/moral standpoints.

[THIS IS IMPORTANT GODDAMNIT]

There are so many retards in this world

[Nero]

I'm just upset a real opportunity to make a positive change for awhile has been completely wasted for no good reason. A joke could be made that the stoners forgot to vote, the sad reality is that people actually went specifically to vote against it...I know people are stupid and what not but, man...this is the worst.

I'm actually in a state of disbelief.

We're in Australia, dude. (Both from Canberra too, I'm pretty sure?)

How does this affect us, despite the outcome?

[Trousersnake]

We're in Australia, dude. (Both from Canberra too, I'm pretty sure?)

How does this affect us, despite the outcome?

I'm actually in NSW, but close to Canberra - I believe that had this passed that it would have shaken the foundation of laws affecting this plant and its use worldwide. In the ACT you can get away with a civil fine for possession of what like 50g? And what 2? of 1 plants...that's not the case here. NSW is sick of its state government I sort of believed that someone would maybe see the positive change in CA and decide it would be worth doing here.

I also read up a lot on the subject when I have free time - All the Users Associations considered pot to be a gateway drug...in that it would affect perception on all drug policy. Also I was reading if this got through in CA that you could pretty much expect the US federal law in this area to come under scrutiny.

I also think anything to stabilize an allied nation of ours world be a good thing. I honestly believe the US is seriously fucking up the future in what they do - This would have given some hope that they can change, that they want to change and good things can happen.

Canberra eh? Did you attend Stonefest at all on the weekend?

[OnTheFringe]

lol:

http://i.imgur.com/07jBN.png

I'm so mad at old people now. Once younger people get into positions of power shit is going to change so fast and make old people so mad but im going to say fuck you haha and deport them all to antartica

[Impolite]

lol:

http://i.imgur.com/07jBN.png

The elderly voted Perry in for his unprecedented third term as govenor in Texas as well.

Fucking old people.

[dysik]

does that pic say 3,809 respondants?

you have to be fucking kidding me..

[Borat]

I don't smoke pot but I would have voted yes. Why should I care if somebody else wants to smoke weed and get high. Let them do it.
They're not harming anybody.

[Iskalla]

Lies, scare tactics and archaic bigoted, opinions won over logic and progress then. What a sad day.

[Corey]

Next year guys!!! JK

But why would it pass? Why would we want to save hundreds of millions nationwide not arresting for marijuana possession and not make $16- $23 billion dollars a year?


Fuck the govt

[iMagiNation]

Lies, scare tactics and archaic bigoted, opinions won over logic and progress then. What a sad day.

What little hope I had for humans has been utterly raped. I saw the failure, and the failure was us.

[Cito]

I'm so mad at old people now. Once younger people get into positions of power shit is going to change so fast and make old people so mad but im going to say fuck you haha and deport them all to antartica

wont happen...

who do you think is in power now?

remember woodstock and the massive amount of drugs back then?


I'm 34 and my age group is slowly coming into power but I can see people have already changed, people I knew who got stoned in their teens are now working for police, state patrol, local city politics and all are against it now.


people change as they get older. If anyone could have passed legalization it would have been the hippy and height-ashbury movement of the 60's but now those guys are in power and they are now against it.


it wont happen, and the young people for it now will change as they get older (speaking as a majority) and they will refuse to pass it when older just as it has happened generation after generation.

the 20's had the beatnicks, they changed their mind also and was against it when they got into power. their children the hippies were for it, but got older and now are against it.

just how things work

[zuperxtreme]

What little hope I had for humans has been utterly raped. I saw the failure, and the failure was us.

It's not all lost.

In Argentina, for example, they've recently passed a Glacier protection law (http://www.enn.com/climate/article/41899). All the Glaciers in our territory, specially "Perito Moreno (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perito_Moreno_Glacier)", are now protected against any type of mining and dumping of chemicals. This one really surprised me, specially since lots of possible mining operations had to be canceled and we're talking lots of money, 12-13k million USD easy.
Throughout this year we've had gay marriage legalized, higher wages for retirees and a big change to mass media laws(effectively splitting the signals 33% private, 33 NGO's and 33 government), breaking up media monopolies(companies that had TV, radio, newspapers, magazines, etc, virtually monopolizing the distributed content), etc.

It doesn't happen often, but I'm pretty proud of those accomplishments.

[Case Sensitive]

lol:

http://i.imgur.com/07jBN.png
almost 70% of the elderly population seems to have absorbed decades of reefer madness style propaganda. if those charts are accurate though, you can garauntee weeds going to be legal within 10 years, once all the brainwashed old folks die

[Cito]

I do as well, but going from history, every generation always thought once their generation was in power things would change, but it never did.

as majority gets older and between television, commercialization, mass media, colleges, etc people become indoctrinated into the system of the previous generation therefore nothing changes unless some major radical shift occurs.

which I hope happens in 2012 for the next election.
but I'm not optimistic

[-SpectraL]

Hey! I'm old and I like weed!

*grumbles*

[Trousersnake]

Hey! I'm old

You heard him, firing squad

[Siu3d]

Ah shit!:mad: I knew I was suppose to do something yesterday but for the life of me I couldn't remember what.

[zuperxtreme]

Ah shit!:mad: I knew I was suppose to do something yesterday but for the life of me I couldn't remember what.

Simpsons did it.

http://vimeo.com/16469712

[-SpectraL]

Well, the vote was lost, but consolation can be found in a Beavis and Butthead episode, so chin up...

jPn4v9Ak55Q

[Vizier]

It's a dawggy dawg world.

[Borat]

We're so concerned with being civil and avoid taking violence to those in power. You Americans should pull out the guns and take it to the man.

[Kleenotse]

I was on the norml chat last night, and people were bitching about Humboldt county for some reason. Saying "Boycott humboldt weed!"

Anyone know why?

Well, have you ever been to Humboldt? There is a ridiculous amount of weed produced there, and they obviously fear that legalizing weed in CA would hurt their business. The main opponents and financial backers of the anti-19 campaign were clearly the weed growers/sellers, many of whom reside in Humboldt county.

[-SpectraL]

Were the votes counted in Humboldt?

[Nero]

It's not all lost.

In Argentina, for example, they've recently passed a Glacier protection law (http://www.enn.com/climate/article/41899). All the Glaciers in our territory, specially "Perito Moreno (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perito_Moreno_Glacier)", are now protected against any type of mining and dumping of chemicals. This one really surprised me, specially since lots of possible mining operations had to be canceled and we're talking lots of money, 12-13k million USD easy.
Throughout this year we've had gay marriage legalized, higher wages for retirees and a big change to mass media laws(effectively splitting the signals 33% private, 33 NGO's and 33 government), breaking up media monopolies(companies that had TV, radio, newspapers, magazines, etc, virtually monopolizing the distributed content), etc.

It doesn't happen often, but I'm pretty proud of those accomplishments.

I care not a fuck for glaciers and homosexuals. What does that have to do with drugs?

[DiStOrTiOn]

Even if these people change their attitudes as they get older they must see how retarded it is to prevent the others who think differently from doing something they enjoy (well legally anyway). These people aren't affected by the smokers but the smokers are definitely affected by them. I still hope it will happen in the future.

no, they won't see how retarded it is after they've changed attitude because the reason they've changed is because they too have become retarded and also trained to resent their youthful partying experience by getting slapped with responsibilities which completely displace any logic they once had in their brain and drown out all of their fond memories. they will acknowledge that it happened and that it "seemed" like a good idea at the time, but they can no longer truly remember what its like nor regain that feeling of mental awareness

[Borat]

I rigged Florida.

[zuperxtreme]

I care not a fuck for glaciers and homosexuals. What does that have to do with drugs?

It was directed towards iMagiNation's post where he said he lost all hope. Plus weed is cool down here, it's not legal, but cops usually don't give you shit.

[Impolite]

Remember the bliss of being a naive child when the world was simple?

You know how now, you look back, and wonder why kid-you was such a retard?

That's why the baby boomers voted republican.

[Om Namah Shivaya]

this is bullshit D:<