An Idea to Better Quality Content in the Discussion Forums

[-SpectraL]

Every month, a $50 cash prize is given out to the member who provided the best possible posts and threads for that month. Judges would be pulled as a joint committee... one mod from each forum, including such forums as Bat Country and Lol Internet, get to vote for their favorite. Since the serious discussion forums are more plentiful than the non-serious forums, the serious discussion forums should have an edge on the voting, and that is an acceptable handicap for the less serious forums... after all, this is a BBS, not Romper Room. If a regular from one of the less serious forums wins it, so be it... perhaps that member also makes useful and more serious posts in multiple forums.

As for who pays the $50, these funds would come directly from member contributions, which either DaGuru, Fish, Rust, ShadyLady, wires, I or any trusted member can collect and store in their PayPal. There are enough members here who profess to want better quality content, so throwing $2 once a month toward this noble cause should not be a problem at all, and it only takes 25 members to contribute $2 each once a month to come up with the prize money. I could push and organize a donation subscription list for that, and then post the names of the donors publicly for recognition of their zeal for a better tomorrow for Zoklet.

The return on the $50 would be huge. Many posters would immediately pick up on the content of their posts and threads, hoping to get the $50, and they could try again and again each month. You need to give people a reason/incentive to do better, because they get more return on just following the crowd if there are no real incentives to do otherwise. As they say, money makes the world go 'round, and we need to get our world in orbit again, and we need to do it before there are no members left to work with.

[zuperxtreme]

How would we track the best poster of the month? By thanks or something?
Maybe a poll at the end of each month?
Also, what about the people *ehem* who don't have paypal? :/

Aaaaand, would the people who donate for the common fund benefit at all?

[Agathokakological]

I sincerely think that this would be unfair. Some great posters aren't well-known, and half decent yet well known poster would likely win over an obscure one.

I wouldn't count on $50 a month either. I don't have paypal and I'm unwilling to use my credit card to donate.

Tracking by thanks would just create silent "thanks parties" and users who wanted to win wouldn't use their thanks.

[Trousersnake]

I believe it would result in poor young people trying too hard to make a quick buck trying to be helpful by copy pasta-ing from other sources.

Also issue of how to keep such a system fair.

I truly believe instead of talking about good content, create it...if it's really of use, people will find it.

Being a consistent, good poster requires a lot of time and effort...you have to put up with idiots saying you are trying too hard, TL;DR posts, accusations that you want to be a mod...it's really not worth it.

Want good content? Read the news, understand it, think about the consequences, weigh up pros and cons through research, get off the internet and experience it yourself, try new products, develop a new use for something, watch movies, tv shows, documentaries...read books, magazines, newspapers, independent and credible blogs, listen in school, observe...etc, etc.

I'd like to see something that resembles totse myself, but I accept that it's probably never going to happen - I'm even tracking down an old led on how I may communicate with Jeff Hunter himself...perhaps offer him a business plan for something that will work, devise a way of making it happen and getting his public seal of approval. You know what weighs on my mind? The fact he wanted to leave all this in the past and he, where I manage to communicate with him, isn't happy about being approached.

Always gotta have a backup plan - I've corresponded with Jason Scott of textfiles.com in the past, we talked about the BBS Documentary he put together...I asked if he tried to get Jeff Hunter on the documentary - He did, but his attempts to communicate with Jeff were unsuccessful way back in 2002. Due to his passion for old BBS, tech, and free interchange of information perhaps he'd be able to suggest something - where attempts with Jeff fall on their face.

[Trousersnake]

^^Spelling mistakes and some poor wording but you get the idea. I'm tired, it's late.

[Little Miss Sunshine]

I would love to see better posts made....but it is pointless to suggest that we can do better till this site has a "mission statement" and some standards are made known and enforced. Till then, who are we to say what type of posts/users belong here?

[Duelist]

enforcing any type of absolute posting policy flies in the face of what totse stood for, the free exchange (of knowledge).

I think that a monetary reward is also contrary to these ideals. It is a FREE exchange, damnit. If the posters want to post quality, then they shall.

[Dfg]

An incentive like money will only make Zoklet more shitty, oh wait... icwatudidthar.

inb4indiantechusersstartregisteringoncocklet

[DaGuru]

Spectral, this is the exact kind of thing I suggested to Zok shortly after the jump....and because you are dealing with someone who's goals can't go beyond some kidiotic "user titles and avatars", it will never fly.

Its a big boy idea in a place run by silly children, and it's why it fell on deaf ears then....and why it will fall on deaf ears now.

The world wanted an adult entertainment spot like a thriving bar or club, and instead Zok's vision was Chuck E. Cheese. :thumbsdown:

[zuperxtreme]

The idea, as it is now, won't be implemented. Simply because it brings more problems than solutions(read posts above). Provide a viable way for them and maybe they will consider it. I do like the idea of more incentives, but when there's money in-between it has to be rock solid.

[yxnhpbjac]

I could never have it in my heart to accept money from my kind fellow posters. :o

A simple thanks here or there should meet my needs. :o

[DaGuru]

Provide a viable way for them and maybe they will consider it. I do like the idea of more incentives, but when there's money in-between it has to be rock solid.

How much more of a a "viable way" do you need....beyond "hey Zok, here is some cash, and here are some ideas what we could do with it???"

Seriously, Zuper....what MORE does it take? A loaded gun at his head while he is writing the code to make it happen?

Please, elaborate on yet MORE empty rhetoric while defending this fool......

[zuperxtreme]

How much more of a a "viable way" do you need....beyond "hey Zok, here is some cash, and here are some ideas what we could do with it???"

Seriously, Zuper....what MORE does it take? A loaded gun at his head while he is writing the code to make it happen?

Please, elaborate on yet MORE empty rhetoric while defending this fool......

Derp, derp, here we go again.

For starters:

How would we track the best poster of the month? By thanks or something?
Maybe a poll at the end of each month?
Also, what about the people *ehem* who don't have paypal? :/

Aaaaand, would the people who donate for the common fund benefit at all?

This one too:
I sincerely think that this would be unfair. Some great posters aren't well-known, and half decent yet well known poster would likely win over an obscure one.

I wouldn't count on $50 a month either. I don't have paypal and I'm unwilling to use my credit card to donate.

Tracking by thanks would just create silent "thanks parties" and users who wanted to win wouldn't use their thanks.

I DON'T THINK it's a BAD idea, I just think it NEEDS some REFINING.

[DaGuru]

Derp, derp, here we go again.

For starters:



This one too:


I DON'T THINK it's a BAD idea, I just think it NEEDS some REFINING.

Yeay!!! One of Zok's "finest" (?) mods relying on some 4-chan meme of "herp derp" to make his point.
:picard:
As for "who determines" who is best poster...the OP laid that out quite explicitly in the opening post. Perhaps if you slowed down and read the posts, you might see the answers were already there. Or is it too hard to read your screen with so much of Zok's shit plastered onto your eyelid's while swooping in to his "rescue" trying to come up with even sillier excuses then he would?

[-SpectraL]

Well, for those without PayPal we could offer a $50 value, such as one month subscription to premium downloads or another subscription/service worth about $50. Winners would be voted in by a panel of judges.

[InToXiCoLoGisT]

I'd do write ups again if I got a custom title out of it. Granted, it would mainly be about RC's, effects, dosage, how to obtain, new methods from personal experience.

[zuperxtreme]

*Holds DaGuru's hand*

See kiddo, this is how you reply to a question:

Well, for those without PayPal we could offer a $50 value, such as one month subscription to premium downloads or another subscription/service worth about $50. Winners would be voted in by a panel of judges.

Not with "MORE empty rhetoric".

Derp, derp.


Hurr.

[-SpectraL]

Wasn't thinking writeups. Was thinking more overall posting habits.

[DaGuru]

*Holds DaGuru's hand*

See kiddo, this is how you reply to a question:



Not with "MORE empty rhetoric".

Derp, derp.


Hurr.

You trying to erroneously condescend to me is pretty fuckin entertaining, since it was your oblivious stupidity that missed "how would we determine the best posters" right in the very first paragraph that made you ask such redundant and silly questions in the first place. :cool:

[zuperxtreme]

Doh, missed that. The rest are valid, though.







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[-SpectraL]

It seems to me the animal instinct for most members and mods on Zoklet is to immediately try to shoot down any idea related to generating quality content on this site. Instead of contributing auxiliary ideas to compliment the initial suggestion, members and mods are much more satisfied to sit there uselessly and criticize. This is a mentality we definitely need to get away from. Oh, I know where this mind-set came from... where it was taught, so to say... but keep in mind just how far that line of thinking has gotten us so far.

[Satyr]

Yeah, getting paid for posting Toothless Joe-shoops.. Awesome. (Isn't JJJB the most thanked user on the site?)

[Irukanji]

Stupid idea, we just need to get mods who will enforce forum rules such as no trolling, no off topic posting, etc.

[-SpectraL]

Stupid idea, we just need to get mods who will enforce forum rules such as no trolling, no off topic posting, etc.But there only so many members who are willing to give up their right to open expression to be a moderator, so we need to think of alternative solutions.

[Irukanji]

But there only so many members who are willing to give up their right to open expression to be a moderator, so we need to think of alternative solutions.

No amount of money will improve posters, because at the end of the day the forum is over run with kidiots and kewls and all them gay fucks.

[-SpectraL]

No amount of money will improve posters, because at the end of the day the forum is over run with kidiots and kewls and all them gay fucks.Absolutely. That's why DaGuru, I and a few others have always insisted that all that always go back to the root problem of incompetent management, and we've always said everything else is useless effort if the root problem remains... but the thing is here, we can't do anything about the root problem. And since we are practically powerless to affect the root problem, I figured we should look at at least some bandaid solutions for the time being.

[SnowmanJoe]

dickhead, no one's gonna cough 50 bucks so that cunts act more civilized. even the nigga that owns this forum don't give a fuck.

[Captain Politik]

NOO that wouldnt work as it creates too big a problem when you add money.


What needs to happen is ONE POST A MONTH needs to be nominated. I say a single POST and maybe THREAD would be the winners.

The prize WOULDNT be money but maybe special privilages or a new title for winners, etc

Brining money in would just make it sustainable to cheats

[Agathokakological]

I just don't think it's realistic for $50 to come from users on a monthly basis. I have no idea how many "Regular" users we have - I'm sure the more obscure one, with very few exceptions, won't donate money. Most regulars don't.

If we kept this up for a year and have 100 users who care enough, that's $600 in prizes a year. While this is $6/user, it's not realistic to expect it. Ever check out Bad Ideas? People here aren't that rich. I know $6 isn't a lot, but when you see a lot of "need x $ by end of week" threads, it's not realistic to expect. I think we might be able to find 25 willing to do it. 600/25 bring it up to $24 per person - I know this is a year, but still don't see it happening.

I'm sort of a pessimist - but the ones donating would be the already decent posters. 1-2 might try to step it up. Some people will step it up, win, and revert to their old habits. Or not win, and say "screw it" and stop trying, also reverting to their old habits.

It's a great idea on paper/screen, but realistically I have my doubts.

Custom title prizes might do the trick, it's free, and if it fails, there's no question of where the "Extra" money went. There's also no "I donated x amount, where'd it all go" question. Many users here are quite paranoid.

[ShadyLady]

The details would need to be worked out & if the admin doesn't have any issue with it, count Bad Ideas in.

[Yurpen]

Maybe make something like Shark Week or something.

[-SpectraL]

Ah, well... I can see where all this is heading... excuse me for posting.

[DaGuru]

Ah, well... I can see where all this is heading... excuse me for posting.

With this current userbase, you are talking WAY over their heads. Just witnessing the responses and questions on this thread prove they don't even have the capabilities to understand the posts.....much less wrap their minds around the idea for a few seconds.

[-SpectraL]

With this current userbase, you are talking WAY over their heads. Just witnessing the responses and questions on this thread prove they don't even have the capabilities to understand the posts.....much less wrap their minds around the idea for a few seconds.Absolutely, although I'm sure there's more than a few members out there who actually care. We just have to single out those ones from this great cloud of moron-children and focus on those ones, I guess.

[Trousersnake]

Look at the posts here that have been thanked - There's mine that no one has said anything about in 30-ish posts and one that just says the OP is a fucking bad idea.

[Mr.Happy]

Yeay!!! One of Zok's "finest" (?) mods relying on some 4-chan meme of "herp derp" to make his point.
:picard:

O, the delicious irony of flaming him for using a chan meme, then using a chan meme to reinforce your point.

DEE EE FUCKING ERP!

~

Bad idea IMO.

How would you prevent the competition becoming a popularity contest?

How would you counter inevitable allegations of favouritism or scamming?

What would you do if the monthly donation target wasn't met?

Don't you think we'd get a plethora of Dfg types making endless inane how-to guides?

How would you choose an impartial panel?

~

However, what about a system where a forum's moderators can make a smaller contribution - say, $5 or $10 - to a particularly active and contributory member of their forum?

I can still think of several downsides and kinks, but at least it's not outright unworkable like the original idea.

[iMagiNation]

I'd love to get paid to post on zoklet.

[-SpectraL]

...How would you prevent the competition becoming a popularity contest?The differing opinions of the mods on a vote avoids a popularity contest.


How would you counter inevitable allegations of favouritism or scamming?You can't scam simply by making interesting and useful posts, and favoritism is canceled out by the decisions of the judges.


What would you do if the monthly donation target wasn't met?We would sell cold lemonade and hot dogs for $1.50 each in front of the park.


Don't you think we'd get a plethora of Dfg types making endless inane how-to guides?Is that supposed to be a bad thing if they are moderated properly?


How would you choose an impartial panel?
As I stated from the opening posts, one judge pulled from each forum's mods.

[Dfg]

O, the delicious irony of flaming him for using a chan meme, then using a chan meme to reinforce your point.

DEE EE FUCKING ERP!

~

Bad idea IMO.

How would you prevent the competition becoming a popularity contest?

How would you counter inevitable allegations of favouritism or scamming?

What would you do if the monthly donation target wasn't met?

Don't you think we'd get a plethora of Dfg types making endless inane how-to guides?

How would you choose an impartial panel?

~

However, what about a system where a forum's moderators can make a smaller contribution - say, $5 or $10 - to a particularly active and contributory member of their forum?

I can still think of several downsides and kinks, but at least it's not outright unworkable like the original idea.
I don't make How-to guides. And fuck you for including me in that categoy.

[-SpectraL]

I don't make How-to guides. And fuck you for including me in that categoy.I didn't notice the part where he put your name in there, or I would have made comment on it. You're right... you've never made crappy guides... not that I've ever seen anyways.

[Mr.Happy]

I don't make How-to guides. And fuck you for including me in that categoy.

Didn't the S&A section of Totse.info have a bunch of how-to guides you wrote, stickied on the front page?

Or was that helladamnleet or somebody? If it wasn't you, substitute their name for yours.

[-SpectraL]

Dfg and DaGuru were onto this incentive thing way before all of us, and all Dfg got for his troubles was no backing and a rude chastisement, and all DaGuru got for it was ridicule and scorn. I'd say it's about time to wake up and listen to these people.

[patton]

But there only so many members who are willing to give up their right to open expression to be a moderator, so we need to think of alternative solutions.

Moderators really don't give up free expression rights.

I know there's a lot of controversy currently in the zoklet community about "free speech," among other things. And, I'm not all that up to date on that controversy. I spend my time on zoklet in der politik, and debating issues that are relevant to the world, not to zoklet. But I really haven't experienced any lessened free speech since being modded. I'm just a user who was given a few limited powers that other users have. But primarily, I'm a user.

So I guess what I'm saying is I don't really see the problem here. I don't see why we should need to pay $50 to contribute to the community. It's not like we're publishing a magazine here; it's not like the posts from this forum are going to be published and sold. The zoklet community is just that: a community. People come here to express their opinion, and to receive feedback on that opinion -- not to get paid for expressing what us moderators (who as I said earlier, are first and foremost users) think is "good content."

Furthermore, people aren't going to all the sudden become capable of generating "good content" simply because there's a monetary reward involved. The good posters here are here because they enjoy discussing the issues they care about, whether it be politics, religion, spirituality, bad ideas, weapons, technology, or anything that we have a forum for on this site. For simplicity, I'll use the example of my forum, der politik. The people who are going to generate good content are the users interested in politics -- and people interested in politics are going to post in der politik simply because they have an interest in the subject matter, not because there's money involved. This is true for all forums, not just der politik. People interested in computers will post in the computers forum, people interested in religion are going to post in R and S, and so on and so forth.

Also, there are the objections that others have raised. If all the sudden we say there's going to be a $50 reward for being the best poster in der politik, then every schmuck who reads an article in the local paper is going to come in there and try to wax poetic in the form of a renowned political scientist. your suggestion may help increase quantity, but not necessarily quantity.

But really overall, I just don't understand what the big deal is. I keep seeing people in various places bitching about the administration here, and I really don't know what's going on. Maybe I don't spend enough time in PEOO reading the pissy complaints of every user here; maybe I'm naïve.

[negative_zero]

how bout we say we're going to do it, but we don't.

[Dfg]

Didn't the S&A section of Totse.info have a bunch of how-to guides you wrote, stickied on the front page?

Or was that helladamnleet or somebody? If it wasn't you, substitute their name for yours.

:facepalm:

You really have no idea what you're talking about.

[-SpectraL]

Moderators really don't give up free expression rights... Because you've apparently "missed the boat" on that, I'll fill you in and spell it out for you that SLIM and I were removed solely on the basis of our public opinions on various issues. Yes, you might find that totally unbelievable, but that's exactly what happened. And let me confirm for you that, yes, if you are going to be a moderator here you need to give up your right to open expression on all topics first. Argue it all you want, but the documented history already proves this beyond all argument.

As for members just "waxing and waning" to get the prize, let's hope the judges would be able to see right through that kind of thing. I know that's asking a lot, considering the ...errr... caliber of the mods on Zoklet these days, but that's the general idea.

[Mr.Happy]

:facepalm:

You really have no idea what you're talking about.

I just checked and it was fanglekai, mostly (hey, good for you guys, threads stay on the front page for a month there, makes for real easy access to thinkgs you're trying to find). How to unhook a bra, how to kiss a girl, how to find the g-spot, how to make a fake vagina, how to sit on your left hand until it goes numb and jerk off with it so it feels like a stranger, whatever. That kind of stuff takes ten seconds to Google and isn't really worthwhile, but implementing any kind of reward for better-quality content would doubtless lead to a bunch of people spam-producing this kind of aimless guide to try and snag a cool 50 bucks.

[patton]

if you are going to be a moderator here you need to give up your right to open expression on all topics first. Argue it all you want, but the documented history already proves this beyond all argument.


I certainly haven't experienced that...

In my time since being modded I've:

ridiculed ate

http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showpost.php?p=2222161&postcount=152

http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showpost.php?p=2166311&postcount=17

http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showpost.php?p=2195916&postcount=35

http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showpost.php?p=2162957&postcount=78

I even voted for him as "biggest douchefag of 2010" in a poll in PEOO

and I've made similar posts about ArmsMerchant

http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showpost.php?p=2253100&postcount=20

http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showpost.php?p=2250820&postcount=14

http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showpost.php?p=2127873&postcount=8

http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showpost.php?p=2128947&postcount=32

Heck, I've even posted a blatant troll thread in R and S

http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=133702

Yet, I've received no rebuke whatsoever. Nothing.

As, I said, I'm simply a user with a few extra powers.

[docus]

You can't force stupid people to make quality post. Why does ICP attract fat, ignorant retards? Because they're a band that makes ignorant, retarded but catchy music that's easy for stupid people to understand. When you think a site that contains information about shoplifting, scams, conspiracy theories and drug manufacturing will attract the best 'n brightest of our society, your expectations are too high.

[Dfg]

I just checked and it was fanglekai, mostly (hey, good for you guys, threads stay on the front page for a month there, makes for real easy access to thinkgs you're trying to find). How to unhook a bra, how to kiss a girl, how to find the g-spot, how to make a fake vagina, how to sit on your left hand until it goes numb and jerk off with it so it feels like a stranger, whatever. That kind of stuff takes ten seconds to Google and isn't really worthwhile, but implementing any kind of reward for better-quality content would doubtless lead to a bunch of people spam-producing this kind of aimless guide to try and snag a cool 50 bucks.

Those guides were targeted at a certain audience. Since you're out of the loop and don't really care. I am not going to bother explaining it. Have fun modding cocklet and think of ways to get more quality poster using money as an incentive.
:rofl:

[Mr.Happy]

Those guides were targeted at a certain audience. Since you're out of the loop and don't really care. I am not going to bother explaining it. Have fun modding cocklet and think of ways to get more quality poster using money as an incentive.
:rofl:

The audience, presumably, being "people who can't figure out how to kiss a girl, find the g-spot or make a fake vagina". Have fun with that audience.

[-SpectraL]

..
As, I said, I'm simply a user with a few extra powers.You must be an ass-kisser!! :lsd:

:D jk thanks for all those examples and the effort to produce facts

But seriously... you're just fortunate the evil eye of censure and broken-down ego never happened to turn your way.

[ShadyLady]

However, what about a system where a forum's moderators can make a smaller contribution - say, $5 or $10 - to a particularly active and contributory member of their forum?

Oh hell no. I have a mortgage. :mad:

[iMagiNation]

Give me money!
I want all your money

[get me a beer]

How about best poster gets one of these?

http://www.keepembusy.co.uk/ekmps/shops/keepembusy/images/smiley-sticker-sheets-[2]-330-p.jpg

[poast-bortem!]

I can't wait to give this by being the biggest attn whore pain in the ass

POAST 4 ADMINZ!!!111

[iMagiNation]

Or how about we come up with some sort of fucking PURPOSE for zoklet?

[Shrike]

Or how about we come up with some sort of fucking PURPOSE for zoklet?

I don't know that it can really have one. Big general discussion forums are kind of an evolutionary dead-end, and have been replaced by facebook etc for most people. And more specialised websites and forums do their specific niche far better than places like zoklet or totse ever could.

I mean most forums out there have a few general discussion sections and other stuff, but they centre around their main topic, and that generates new stuff to talk about.

I mean, what was Totse's purpose by the mid 2000's? We all know what it was originally for, but nobody gave a fuck about the text files by then, and they were pretty worthless except as historical curios. I mean, what was the point of hosting a bunch of text files written in the 80s and early 90s that told you how to hack into Telnet, or talked about modems with speeds not even in the kb/s range?

So it was basically just the forums, and the people there, and the interesting stuff they were writing about their lives. Sure there was bitching at mods, although there wasn't so much at the admins because they barely posted, so they were kind of not such a big deal.

But fuck it, this is what i'm trying to say, does it need a special Purpose with a capital P? Totse didn't have one for the last few years of its life and it did just fine. Just chill the fuck out and fucking enjoy yourselves. If you don't like the way the place is being run, sure point that out. But don't fucking spend years of your life on a crusade to overthrow the admininistration and act like you're righting some wrong or injustice to the world.

It's an internet forum. If you don't like it, there are millions of other websites you could visit that do things more to your own taste. So go there, and stop wasting our time.

...

Well, that went a bit off-tangent. Anyway my point is that this idea is dumb, and good posting should be encouraged naturally, by other good posting.

[Mr.Happy]

Oh hell no. I have a mortgage. :mad:

Oh, I don't mean out of our own pocket, I mean out of a contribution fund. Damned if I'm paying people.

FWIW I don't think the pay-to-post model is good at all, I was just trying to spark up some more discussion

[-SpectraL]

Or how about we come up with some sort of fucking PURPOSE for zoklet?Let's not get too ridiculous now. You don't want to scare the admins, do you?

[elf omg]

Is post quality really so bad?

[-SpectraL]

Is post quality really so bad?Yes, it is. I'm seriously thinking about leaving. People like DaGuru and I really have no place here. We're useless throwbacks to the golden age of information is power (with a few lulz thrown in), and I can't see us doing anything but complaining indefinitely. When you have dipshits like zos placed right into a critical forum section ... people who obviously don't give two shits about the community... it becomes quite clear that this community is doomed to fail.

Thanks for coming through on everything, Fish. :sarcasm smiley:

[Agathokakological]

Yes, it is. I'm seriously thinking about leaving. People like DaGuru and I really have no place here. We're useless throwbacks to the golden age of information is power (with a few lulz thrown in), and I can't see us doing anything but complaining indefinitely. When you have dipshits like zos placed right into a critical forum section ... people who obviously don't give two shits about the community... it becomes quite clear that this community is doomed to fail.

Thanks for coming through on everything, Fish. :sarcasm smiley:

If you're going to look for crappy posts, you're going to find them. If you look for quality posts, you're going to find them as well.

Idealizing the community isn't going to work. Ignore the "low quality" posts, and pretend they aren't even there.

[elf omg]

at this point i think it's just something for you to talk about

you SHOULD leave spec, not because you suck and we hate you, but because you're complaining to pass the time and i can't imagine that being healthy

[zuperxtreme]

-Spec, wander the other not-as-general forums and you'll see the community isn't as bad as you think. I'll also be modding I&F.

[Satyr]

Give me money!
I want all your money

I am a weapon of mass destruction.
I am a brutal dictator.

RIO GRANDE BLOOD!

No, but seriously.. Some people should stop taking Zoklet so seriously. It's a website man.

Another major point: who judges what good quality is? I mean, JFLC has a lot thanked posts, but I think he's a dumbass most of the time (no disrespect). Or JJJB, who has a huge amount of thanks just for his TJ-shops.

If you want better content, you have to encourage discussions. And you can't say that someone's opinion is better than the other. Are you really willing to pay someone because they made a post you agree with in 'Der Politik'?

Or are you going to value posts that genuinely made you laugh above posts that expressed an opinion?

With all respect, but no... this isn't going to work out. I would even think of this idea as immoral.

[Mr.Happy]

Yes, it is. I'm seriously thinking about leaving. People like DaGuru and I really have no place here. We're useless throwbacks to the golden age of information is power (with a few lulz thrown in), and I can't see us doing anything but complaining indefinitely. When you have dipshits like zos placed right into a critical forum section ... people who obviously don't give two shits about the community... it becomes quite clear that this community is doomed to fail.

Thanks for coming through on everything, Fish. :sarcasm smiley:

You actually get involved in the forums and contribute quite a bit, but DaGuru does nothing but hang around PEOO, bitching repetitively about the administrators, overusing the facepalm smiley and saying EL OH FUCKING EL! occasionally. Useless throwback? Sure. To anything? Nope.

Agathokakological has a point. Confirmation bias.

[The Methematician]

this thread is an utter failure and proved beyond all shadows of doubts of the OP's retardation.

This thread meant nothing without a clear cut, clearly defined ....

defination of the term "quality". I mean how the fuck are we .... and everybody else are to judge which post is "good qualty" and which one is "better quality" without the fool proff definition of quality ???

Does a post have to be helpful to users/op to be quality ??? Does it have to entertaining ????

How about a post which offends the mods or op or some other phaggotts but is entertaining and funny to the rest of the users ???? Is this a quality post ????

Or is a "hi-quality" post a post that contaINED some deep, extraordinary insights to life ... or w/e so enlightening and yet so unfathomable that only a handful of members here among hundreds of registered retards could understand and comprehend ......

personally I find posts with goatses and links to meatspin.com "hi-quality" and I wish more posters post them .....

that's ..... my definition of hiiiiii qualityyy.

[The Methematician]

tl/dr : op is a retarded cock sucker and a cock should have been stuffed down his throat before he could make this thread ...

[Struwwelpeter]

I don't care if Satyr thinks I am a dumbass for the same reason Osama bin Laden probably does not care about what some hog-headed patriotard making comments on YouTube with his $5 garage sale computer has to say about him.

By the way, I have only around 1,070 thanks because I have been banned for about a consecutive year from this website. Had I never been banned I would have surpassed 2,000 thanks a long time ago.

I did not read this thread but anything that allows people to make money is a great idea so as long as no gay ass faggots fuck the shit up. No moderator control, free. Market birch, I fuck all faggot azz bitches..

[Duelist]

I thought one of the core tenants of modship was the "just another user" adage. To change this would be criminal. I dont know all the details of the mod drama but it would be a shame for mods to sensor themselves.

Why not just write a program that does the modding for you, if the mod's personality is irrelevant?

Perhaps we should jettison the "hot topics" bar on the right. For some it is a handy tool, but I would imagine it would allow those who seek only the lulz to intrude on discussions that they would never have discovered otherwise.

(I know I have)

[-SpectraL]

This thread was more an exercise in sarcasm than anything else.

[zombo.com]

i'm not wading through 75 posts of crap to see if this is worth anything. My apologies to the OP if it is. If the idea is still in play (and isn't some troll bullshit) please resubmit it, clearly, in a fresh thread so that i can make sure fish sees it, alright?

I'd also be willing to open it and move it if you folks would prefer. PM me if so.

[zuperxtreme]

Reopened; Thread is valid. You'll all want to start bitching, I'm sure, but try and stick to the OP. Cool?

[-SpectraL]

...

personally I find posts with goatses and links to meatspin.com "hi-quality" and I wish more posters post them .....

that's ..... my definition of hiiiiii qualityyy.And that's perfectly understandable. But you need to remember that there are other members here, not just you and your ilk. Other members want to see posts of a different nature than you, and we need to consider the preferences of those members just the same way as we are to consider yours. Some people here do not want to shovel through reams and reams of utter shit just to get to something readable, and so this is why I created this thread... to bring out ideas to better satisfy everyone on the site, not just the retards and 4channers.

[zombo.com]

zuper says there's something good here. I'll take his word for it <washes hands of it>

[The Methematician]

And that's perfectly understandable. But you need to remember that there are other members here, not just you and your ilk. Other members want to see posts of a different nature than you, and we need to consider the preferences of those members just the same way as we are to consider yours. Some people here do not want to shovel through reams and reams of utter shit just to get to something readable, and so this is why I created this thread... to bring out ideas to better satisfy everyone on the site, not just the retards and 4channers.

Loll .... I didn't even knew it was your thread .... I just clicked it from the side and scroll down and began replying .... didn't read any of it .... didn't have to ....cos the idea is so retarded on a multitude of scales and level anyway.

If I knew it was your thread .... I'd have ridiculed you more than your retarded idea. anyay ...

if this retarded "suggestion" ever got thru withOUT the clear cut and un redifinable definition of "quality post" ..... its gonna lead to one and only one consequence :

that is eventually some posters are going to win the "quality post of the month" contest which either YOU, hereinrefer as "the phaggott", or SNOOPY, hereinrefered to as "another phaggott" .... ooooorrr DAGURU hereinrefered to as "da hardcore phaggott" orrr all the 3 of you are going to be really unhappy ....

followed by the creation of an B&M thread where eventually the 3 of you are going to have an assfuck contest about what is and what is not "quality post" non stop for hundreds of posts that spewed all over other threads ..... and eventually I'll have to come in and post this

http://themethematician.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/n-rampant-phaggottries.jpg

warning label in that thread for the sake of other community members,

p/s ... I just remember why I made the warning label in the 1st place some 6months ago ....

[The Methematician]

and now that I read some of the op ....

WTF is $50 ????? Is it 50 American dollars ???

Or is it Canadian dollars ??? Pussie Aussie dollars ???? New Zelandicks dollars ????

Or Haitian dollar ????? which had devaluated so badly after the flood/quake that the smallest denomination begin with 50'000 dollars.

what fucking dollar is that 50 dollar ????? what ????

[Duelist]

see, we should get rid of hot topics...

[-SpectraL]

and now that I read some of the op ....

WTF is $50 ????? Is it 50 American dollars ???

Or is it Canadian dollars ??? Pussie Aussie dollars ???? New Zelandicks dollars ????

Or Haitian dollar ????? which had devaluated so badly after the flood/quake that the smallest denomination begin with 50'000 dollars.

what fucking dollar is that 50 dollar ????? what ????

50.0000 USD
49.8844 AUD
50.0996 CAD
31.1079 GBP
4,126.62 JPY
2,214.22 INR
64.0371 NZD
48.7018 CHF
344.886 ZAR
2,151.25 AFN
3,714.97 DZD [Algerian Dinars]
198.050 ARS
501.090 ATS
974,750.00 VND [Vietnam Dong]
1.82616 XAG [Silver in ounces]
0.0357796 XAU [Gold in ounces]
0.0285850 XPT [Platinum in ounces]
0.0702358 XPD [Palladium in ounces]

[The Methematician]

see, we should get rid of hot topics...

ooooooooo ..... their callled hot topics. cnat remember what their called when i post just now.

[The Methematician]

50.0000 USD
49.8844 AUD
50.0996 CAD
31.1079 GBP
4,126.62 JPY
2,214.22 INR
64.0371 NZD
48.7018 CHF
344.886 ZAR
2,151.25 AFN
3,714.97 DZD [Algerian Dinars]
198.050 ARS
501.090 ATS
974,750.00 VND [Vietnam Dong]
1.82616 XAG [Silver in ounces]
0.0357796 XAU [Gold in ounces]
0.0285850 XPT [Platinum in ounces]
0.0702358 XPD [Palladium in ounces]

you gott damm missed RMB you cock sucker. whtf ????

are u racist ?????

and EU too.

[Yurpen]

Maybe someone can write a guide on how to make informational and meaningful threads perhaps.