Can the possibility of a Green Planet forum be reevaluated please?

[Trousersnake]

I know "...and Green Living" is tacked onto Flora and Fauna but there are like two threads in there for environmental matters. I know I will avoid creating a thread on environmental issues simply because it's too cluttered and people go there for the animals and planets threads.

Slave of the Beast didn't like the idea (supposedly) when this was first raised by me awhile back, but I rather think he wanted an environmental forum to be treated as a second case and tacked onto a forum that was established as a 'go to' for animals and plants discussion.

Totse had Green Planet and sure it got some troll shit but it also generated some good discussion.

Again, as I said whenever it was I first raised this, there are already threads suitable for this forum scattered around Zoklet, if you just wanted to talk environment you'd have to go through a whole bunch of forums fishing them out.

The environment is a big deal these days - I think we should have a forum for it. If you're hard pressed determining a moderator I'll do it, but that's not what I want it for...I rather want it so instead of arguing about pointless shit in PEOO and so on I can contribute real content - Isn't that what we need more of around here.

Seriously how hard is it to just create the forum and give it a 2 month probation period to see if it flies or not? What's the big problem?

[zuperxtreme]

I have no objections. Lets hear it, Zoklet.

[Shrike]

Timberlake here just wants to be a mod of said forum.

[elf omg]

I know "...and Green Living" is tacked onto Flora and Fauna but there are like two threads in there for environmental matters. I know I will avoid creating a thread on environmental issues simply because it's too cluttered and people go there for the animals and planets threads.

Green Planet got very little traffic on totse. If there are only 2 threads in the current environment forum about the environment, why do you feel zoklet would benefit from creating a brand new forum? We don't have a need for it.

Flora and Fauna is not too cluttered. That forum, as a whole, does not generate nearly as much traffic as most other specialist forums. Your reason for not posting threads there is not a problem 99% of the rest of us have, because we recognize that it's a very poor reason. Environmental discussion in that forum would not be drowned out by other threads, considering that threads there stay on page 1 for roughly a month, maybe 2 weeks with 0 replies.

What forums are the environmental threads scattered about in? Politics? Humanities? Please provide examples of this. If this is a problem, I don't see why some threads could not be moved to Flora and Fauna.

[SHH]

Timberlake here just wants to be a mod of said forum.

Pretty much, this. The fact there's only 2 threads on environmental issues in F&F just shows how unnecessary the forum would be. The only calls for one are from some guy that wants it just so he can be mod.

[elf omg]

Lol and he was such a terrible mod.

[HOLLISTER GUY]

We should have a forum for earth destruction things like cutting down trees and salting the land. It would be like bad ideas but for vandalizing our own mother nature.

[SHH]

Lol and he was such a terrible mod.

I remember he banned someone and gave the reason as "I don't like you".

[Jubal Harshaw]

Why? A lot of this green bullshit can be tucked into other forums. A thread about reducing car emissions would fit nicely in Greasemonkeys, get more exposure and actual response from people who know something about cars and not just a bunch of hippies that think wind turbines on their cars would be a good idea.

You have a question about solar power? This would fit into Math, Science & Engineering where you'd get input from people with a technical background and not just a bunch of hippies who think our energy needs can be solved with a single alternative.

Point being that this sub-forum you're proposing isn't all that useful. "Green" is nothing new.

[zombo.com]

If you do see something you think would be better, or more appropriate in the enviro forum, PM the enviro forum moderator and draw their attention to it, ask if they can get it.

BI, nfhc, and CC trade shit around pretty often. i've even been known to steal from this just in if i see something good :P

[Trousersnake]

I remember he banned someone and gave the reason as "I don't like you".

Get your facts straight...it was "Because you're gay" and it was either a troll account during an attack or mindhaX0rz or whatever his name was being a dick..

This suggestion is riddled with people that I have put shit on in the past of course they are going to not like the idea because I am suggesting it.

Zek - Generally speaking most relevant 'Green Planet' content originates in "This just in" because environmental matters are all over the press because it's a hot topic, there's at least one thread in the conspiracy forum about Global Warming which has a fair bit of discussion...whereas not everyone would go to that forum because they know it's full of crazies. That's why SotB didn't want this, it would have taken traffic away from him.

Zos - There is no environmental forum...do yourself a favor and go in there. This question was raised months ago and to do some patchwork they extended the name of the Animal and Plant forum but nothing changed, as I knew it wouldn't.

Jubal Harshaw - Where would at thread about recycling go? So you solution is to continue thinking it's not worth forum jumping where car people are more interested in how something looks and packing in as much horsepower as is possible...yeah a thread about hybrid vehicles (I don't like them either) would go down real well there. I don't think they'd welcome something like what to do with waste tires either.

HOLLISTER GUY - I'm not sure if you're the kind of troll that has ADHD, posts a stupid comment and leaves or one that comes back to see if someone took the bait. Either way an idiotic thread like that would still get addressed pointing out how landowners generally wouldn't allow for their asset to be trashed like that and how it never actually happens.

SHH + Shrike - No, I don't want to be mod. The only reason I would want to be mod is so I could infract you both for my amusement and then be made a regular again. I don't know anyone on Zoklet that is patient enough and well rounded on the topic besides Rust so I'd be pleased to see him do it but that assumes he'd want to do it where the the fucking around was cut out and it was just made.

[Jubal Harshaw]

Jubal Harshaw - Where would at thread about recycling go? So you solution is to continue thinking it's not worth forum jumping where car people are more interested in how something looks and packing in as much horsepower as is possible...yeah a thread about hybrid vehicles (I don't like them either) would go down real well there. I don't think they'd welcome something like what to do with waste tires either.


You'll have a bunch of trolls like every other section on this site. You will have a few thoughtful responses too. I know for a fact there are a couple of people that would gladly tell you where old tires go from tire changes at the shop they personally work at.

[Trousersnake]

You'll have a bunch of trolls like every other section on this site. You will have a few thoughtful responses too. I know for a fact there are a couple of people that would gladly tell you where old tires go from tire changes at the shop they personally work at.

Up in smoke? Waterways? Illegal dump sites? Somewhere responsible? I've heard them all in my job/schooling

How about the recycling scenario?

I hope whoever reviews this goes by the protocol of how to make a suggestion - I still think it's worth trying out at least, saying it will get trolls is invalid I mean this site is open.

[Dr rocker]

Snake, you are going to have to make a shit load more arse licking threads before this ever becomes a reality.

If you want to mod something that bad, you would be better off handing over a couple of hundred in hard cash - I am sure you have made threads or posts about how this place needs X type of forum quite a few times now.

I for one however, would like to see this forum. Not for the fact I would like to troll it, but for the fact that in a couple of years, people will be burning car tyres to keep warm rather than making them into swings and soft paths.

Every thread that could be posted in there could have a home in another forum as others have said. If you do not accept that, post some possible thread ideas and I will give my opinion.

Zos, for the record, if it ever did happen, put my name forward for shits and giggles. I am sure I have not stepped on that many toes that it would not be out of the question?

I know I have said several times that I would not be a mod, but TS is such a dweeb I would go back on my feelings simply for the purpose of TS wants the forum that bad.

You know when I am taking something seriously, I do it right.

How about it TS?

[zombo.com]

Sure rocker, i'll get right on that. You're such a joy to work with.

[Dr rocker]

Sure rocker, i'll get right on that. You're such a joy to work with.

Cheers man.

[zombo.com]

hey trousersnake, if you want this to move forward you need to get the mods of the current section involved.

Drop them a PM and see if you can convince them, or ask em to come comment on the thread.

[Trousersnake]

hey trousersnake, if you want this to move forward you need to get the mods of the current section involved.

Drop them a PM and see if you can convince them, or ask em to come comment on the thread.

I just requested that SHARP help in fast forwarding a decision without trying to influence what that decision be.

I still don't believe Flora and flora (...and green living) is a true forum to discuss environmental issues.

The main arguments against this are:

1) I just want to be mod - forum isn't necessary

This is incorrect, I'd suggest Rust as he stands firm in discussions of Climate Change. However a forum on Climate Change is not what is sought after and Rust my not like the other elements of this sort of forum. I work in the field of environment and often just want to spark up discussion, so a forum for me would be desirable.

2) There are no threads on environment in Flora and Fauna...this means there will be none in any Green Planet-like forum/no threads on Totse

I believe this to be pretty out there speculation. Sure there are maybe 2 'active' threads on environmental matters in the current arrangement for environmental discussion, however as I have said before I believe people won't post there because it's the go to place for plants and animals and anything else seems out of place there.

You can't know for sure how much traffic there will be until you give it a go, if it doesn't fly in a few months scrap it.

Green Planet on totse may not have been the most traffic-ridden forums on the site but it was one of the longer standing forums, and it DID have more traffic than other forums on totse (which have been duplicated here...). But more importantly it was more about quality, sure there were trolls but they got weeded out, genuine posters were passionate, sought information/knowledge/experience and liked that there was a platform for it.

3) Too many forums

That's hardly the possibility of an environmental forum's fault. Get rid of other ones if that's really a problem. Close everything except Generally Speaking and change the forum name to "Generally speaking and everything else"

4) It's troll bait

So is Love, Lust and Relationships. I doubt a day goes by that that forum doesn't have a troll thread or a thread filled with trolls. But it's still active.

5) 'Green' topics can 'fit' other forums

I personally hate jumping forums especially when there could be a one stop place for particular discussion. It's like saying close TV and Movies and the Music Forums because movies like Wall Street can be discussed in the economics forum or songs about love can be talked about in LLR or songs about hate in PEOO. A lot of threads environmentally based could be talked about to different degrees, such as scientifically in the science forum, technologies in the tech forums, politics driven stuff in politics, and news in the news forum. Very inconvenient...why? Because just there are 4 different forums content COULD be in...and anyone interested in the environment has to sift through the rest of those forums content.

[zombo.com]

sounds logical to me. but didnt we have one that got merged because it was completely dead?

[Trousersnake]

sounds logical to me. but didnt we have one that got merged because it was completely dead?

I made a thread of this nature (no pun) before and the action taken was to include the words "and green living" to flora and fauna and add an extra bit of description..

No promotion, no threads moved there, nothing.

I'm not aware of this sort of forum being standalone here on zoklet, then again I only registered sometime this year...I think.

[ShutMeUp]

I'm for it, right now I wouldnt say there's enough traffic for a seperate forum but since we have Outdoor Living as a subforum it kind of makes sense to have Green Living in the same set-up

if there's interest I dont see what's wrong with creating the forum and giving it a test drive to see how it does

[DaGuru]

You forgot to add "pity post" to the end of that SMU......but its nice to see you take in strays again. :thumbsup:

Trouser, you just admitted you got here sometime this year....and all one has to do is see your reg date is March 2010. Now that you've made it abundantly clear you've missed OVER 2/3 of the history of all things Zoklet......kindly shut your stupid pie hole whenever trying to involve yourself in any thread pertaining to its issues or politics.

As for your moronic idea for a section.....it was a huge pile of phail on Totse with a userbase exponentially larger then this shithole. All the text you yourself have put in this thread, is more than all the other users would contribute in the entire form combined over many months.

CLEARLY nobody really gave a fuck about it then, or now (except for the usual softy/emotional case SMU).....so wake up and realize you look as sane as a homeless guy with a sandwich board around him reading "the end is near". :s

[Dfg]

Oh great more sub-forums.

[zombo.com]

Oh great more sub-forums.

oh great a wandering pedo.

[Dr rocker]

I really dont see the point in it at all. I mean, what would you discuss? What advice could you give? Make sure you keep your bags for life in your car so if you happen to go to the supermarket, at least you have them with you rather than using disposable bags?

Seriously, the whole green agenda is a scam. Bags for life? Fuck, I used a few of those to take a lot of empty beer bottles down my garden to shoot. They have been outside of about 10 months and they have fallen to bits.

Having said that, at least I am recycling the bottles by using them for a secondary function. I have a whole pile of broken green glass now. I will probably put it in the sandpit at the local park - after all sand = glass.

Bags for life? Yeah, if you're a brine shrimp.

[Dfg]

oh great a wandering pedo.

:facepalm:

You really are a class act.

[DaGuru]

:facepalm:

You really are a stupid piece of garbage.

Fixed after sarcasm was removed. :thumbsup:


What's the matter Zos. You get so butthurt that other people have different things to discuss, and *GASP* some of them aren't in your arena of interest....and now you have to walk around with some insignificant grudge.

ELL OH FUCKIN ELL @ the FAKE Totsean, getting uptight and indignant because people have different moralities than him. Yeah, you REALLY belong here, don't ya?:muahaha:

Now go back to your growing operation and all the fire hazards you have around YOUR children, and continue to try to fool the world you have some altruistic morals towards little kids' safety or mental health.

[zombo.com]

hey daguru, dunno if you've noticed, but totse's dead nigga.
One hundred percent, never fucking coming back.

People like your dumb ass most likely killed it. Wouldn't know personally, i think i was in the joint at the time.
But either way, it's dead and gone move on.

i'm a zokleteer.

[Dr rocker]

hey daguru, dunno if you've noticed, but totse's dead nigga.


Now that depends. Depends on if you think it was a URL, a community that was made by people or a set of ideals.

Me? I think it was people and ideals.

I think Jeff does too. He has laughed at the US department of justice in his latest twitter.


Oh, did you not know he had a twitter?

Like I have said before, it took me around about two hours to find it on a rainy sunday afternooon. Knowing the way he was, he has made it findable, rather than it being discovered by accident.

He mostly posts links to information that they do not want you to know. I think if I had have been him, I would have done that - he probably gets no heat from his twitter compared to what he got from Totse.

It is understandable - years of the pressure of knowing you are being watched was probably enough for him.

I just cannot wait for the day for the same to be said of zok. I just hope he is as considerate as Jeff and points the community in the direction of some place the can regroup.

Well, I hope he is more considerate actually. I hope he points them in the direction of a place the are allowed to grow.

[Lord hang man]

Sure why not, I'd post there sometimes.

[Dr rocker]

http://i55.tinypic.com/akewlz.jpg

That one is for you zos.

Sure, its only Lanson. I am saving the Pol Roger for a couple of weeks time.

After all, when you open a vintage, it should be for a real occasion.

[Trousersnake]

I really dont see the point in it at all. I mean, what would you discuss? What advice could you give? Make sure you keep your bags for life in your car so if you happen to go to the supermarket, at least you have them with you rather than using disposable bags?

Seriously, the whole green agenda is a scam. Bags for life? Fuck, I used a few of those to take a lot of empty beer bottles down my garden to shoot. They have been outside of about 10 months and they have fallen to bits.

Having said that, at least I am recycling the bottles by using them for a secondary function. I have a whole pile of broken green glass now. I will probably put it in the sandpit at the local park - after all sand = glass.

Bags for life? Yeah, if you're a brine shrimp.

Cool story bro.

What's with you and these "bags for life"? I've never heard that bullshit before and it's no doubt some localized American shit. I know they must be reusable bags but why can't you just call them that?

I cleaned up under my kitchen sink a week ago and there were approximately 2 years worth of shopping bags, one of my projects as a trainee was to swap over 20 plastic bags for a reusable "ZOMG BAG 4 LYF!" bag, the uptake was pretty massive. I had a laboratory where I was keeping the bags and that room was filled with them, literally - I have a photo somewhere.

Most people know how stupid plastic shopping bags are, I don't get your criticism. Smart companies are already using the cornstarch bags anyhow. It's pretty funny how it went from paper bags/boxes to plastic and now back to the biodegradable stuff...like we ever needed shitty plastic.

http://c1.planetsave.com/files/2010/04/ocean-of-plastic1.jpg

Topics I'd start in the forum?

1. Discussion about Carbonic Acid Rain and it's potential impacts. Such as making invasive weeds/undesirable plants really take off. Making grass grow longer, quicker and how idiots with their power tools for the garden will be revved up more often and how much you can expect to pay for the fuels just to keep a 1/4acre block maintained.

2. A thread that seemed to pop up every year on totses forum. Real Xmas Tree's versus fake plastic trees. I heard statistics in the range of 36 million real trees are used for a month or two in America to celebrate Christmas. I'd probably tack onto that most wasteful and unnecessary things that have become part of Christmas "tradition" AKA American Greed Holiday

And maybe a thread on recycling prices, cost benefit analysis of solar power/water tanks/etc

I know I'm wasting my time with Dr Rocker but it's justification nonetheless to the original idea.

[Trousersnake]

Oh great more sub-forums.

I went to dot info and noticed they had Green Planet...didn't register though, obvious reasons.

[Dr rocker]

Cool story bro.

What's with you and these "bags for life"? I've never heard that bullshit before and it's no doubt some localized American shit. I know they must be reusable bags but why can't you just call them that?

Well, for a start, anyone on this site that has read more than 5 of my posts will know I am not an american (and yes, you had responded to many more than 5 of my posts)

I cleaned up under my kitchen sink a week ago and there were approximately 2 years worth of shopping bags, one of my projects as a trainee was to swap over 20 plastic bags for a reusable "ZOMG BAG 4 LYF!" bag, the uptake was pretty massive. I had a laboratory where I was keeping the bags and that room was filled with them, literally - I have a photo somewhere.

Wow, you are environment hardcore.

Most people know how stupid plastic shopping bags are, I don't get your criticism. Smart companies are already using the cornstarch bags anyhow. It's pretty funny how it went from paper bags/boxes to plastic and now back to the biodegradable stuff...like we ever needed shitty plastic.

It is called economic realism - if it is cheaper to do one thing, then the cheaper thing is done. If you miss that, you miss the bigger picture. If you want me to spell that out for you, then no amount of telling you most of your ideas are retarded will help.



1. Discussion about Carbonic Acid Rain and it's potential impacts. Such as making invasive weeds/undesirable plants really take off. Making grass grow longer, quicker and how idiots with their power tools for the garden will be revved up more often and how much you can expect to pay for the fuels just to keep a 1/4acre block maintained.

Yeah, that problem was pretty much solved in the late '80's by nations that care. Those that do not can see the evidence of how the UK used scrubbers in their power plants to prevent acid rain in Norweigen counties near 20 years ago.

If countries ignore the evidence drawn from a continent, fuck em. Your shitty forum will not make them listen.

2. A thread that seemed to pop up every year on totses forum. Real Xmas Tree's versus fake plastic trees. I heard statistics in the range of 36 million real trees are used for a month or two in America to celebrate Christmas. I'd probably tack onto that most wasteful and unnecessary things that have become part of Christmas "tradition" AKA American Greed Holiday

So where do you stand on that? For me, growing a tree locks carbon. Making one from fossil fuels releases it. We can shred real trees into compost, we cannot do that with plastic.

This shit is fed down the throats of the developed world evey day. Do not think you are such a big man that you will have an impact on how people world wide think on this issue. Its not going to happen.


And maybe a thread on recycling prices, cost benefit analysis of solar power/water tanks/etc

And maybe a thread on how all new build projects should use a ground source heat pump? Even tho it is ignored in every building regulation I have read for every country I have read the building regulations for.

Come on, deny the fact that this, if enacted in 'cold' countries, we would see the biggest drop in energy consumption that could be easily enacted.

Oh, you cannot.

I know I'm wasting my time with Dr Rocker but it's justification nonetheless to the original idea.

Yeah, I am thinking you are wrong, so will everyone else that reads the above.

Want to create an eco friendly dwelling? Post in DIY. Same going for any of your ideas, a forum allready exists.

You may have ideals, I have answers and they allready fit in other places.

Keep licking balls if you want to be a mod that bad tho.

AND FINALLY

I went to dot info and noticed they had Green Planet...didn't register though, obvious reasons.

So you do not care as much about the ideals your spout of about to share them in other places.


I can understand, you want your name bolded here.

Do not make it sound like the environment matters just to get a mod position however.

[Trousersnake]

Sorry Dr Rocker, you're not important enough to know nor care where you come from. I assumed America because you display the traits of a moron.

I'll just point out your 'points' on the economic influences (of shopping bags :rolleyes: and installing heat pumps on new buildings? are contradictory).

I am also a building surveyor...or was...I gave it up for Public Health and there's a reason 'heat pumps' aren't conditions of new development...I'll let you think about why.

I'm making no comment on the Christmas Tree thing, also way to avoid the other nonsensical components of Christmas.

The part about shopping bags was to point out how stupid your liking of them was...trying to make fun of me just made a joke out of you. To top that off you mentioned the economics of it, but you don't get much more economical than having one bag and reusing it over and over.

Thanks for the content filled bullshit opinion post you made - It's the sort of shit real thinkers and doers would love dismantling in the forum...and you say there'd be nothing there.

[Trousersnake]

Fail



And that is why 'eco' allways fails - it may cost more, but it is worth more. Any many from what you claim to be you side that is worth their salt would have pointed it out.

Thanks for proving why you failed at being a mod and why you should never be a mod or be listened to on site policy.



You are a moron. Come up with one reason other than initial cost. You cannot.



I am seeing no argument there other than you atempting to appeal to athiests and non christians - so no argument against my point - you brought up christmas trees so you cannot defend your oringal point.

I must admit, had I been stupid, I might have fell for it.



Cool. I will wait for the Xmas special on DVD




Or the fact that disposable bags are free and 'BAGS4LYF' have to be paid for. The econimics that count are the ones that reflect on the pocket of the consumer.




Yeah, it would be just like that space between your ears.

Can I buy some pot from you?

Any many from what you claim to be you side that is worth their salt would have pointed it out.

Can I buy some acid from you?


Fun Fact - You said I failed by assuming...yet you assumed my gripes with Christmas are Atheist/Non Christian...which is incorrect. Also my original point is...that it would be something to discuss duhhhh, I'm not posting my stance here just as I'm not going to open a thread about it in an animal/plant forum...geddit?

You also want me to discuss the heat pump matter...lol

[DaGuru]

i'm a zokletqueer.

Fixed for accuracy and honesty.

If nothing else Zos, thanks a bunch for finally coming forward and admitting you don't know the first thing about Totse.....or its history and culture. But the simple thing you keep missing in all of this, be it not for the fact there WAS a Totse.....you wouldn't be here right now with all of your cherished awesome bod perks.

At least maintain SOME respect for the place that enabled you to get this ego stroke and validation every day, because if not for the temple you'd just be member number 6 or 8 on ZOklet having slower discussions than if you were chatting with a pen pal via snail mail. :muahaha:

[Trousersnake]

You are a moron.

If your derp that they are inefficient is based on the fact in some locations, coal is burned to generate electricity to power the pump, you are a confusing two seperate issues.

Kindly lrn2science.

Oh don't let me bother you having a conversation with yourself.

Dumbass.

[Trousersnake]

I will read that as you accepting you are wrong.

Throw all of the insults around you want to - until you come back with why 'ground source heat pumps are shit'.

You claim to know oh so much - having been a buildings inspector and now work in public health (which says to me at first glance that you could not cut the mustard in the private sector and had to seek the comfort and ease of the public sector - at second glance it says you worked maintenance changing light bulbs and now work as an admin clerk).

Come on. Come back at me with some empirical evidence on why I am wrong on this. I have done you the favour of providing it to refute you point.

You would be surprised at how I would read it and take it on board if it was indeed correct.

Until that point in time... you have no point.

Good thing that I have made no point other than that I won't discuss it anywhere but an Environment forum.

Carry on though, long ass posts talking to yourself and addressing nothing at all must keep you busy and away from other boards for at least a little while.

[SHH]

You might as well do it here.

[SHARP]

Unless I'm mistaken, the original reason why F&F was combined with GL was because both forums were of the low traffic variety, and that the administration had decided to slim down the site as a whole. A few proposals came up, one of them was to merge the two forums in question as they were somewhat related, and I didn't object because I felt that both poster groups could learn something from each other.

Needless to say, environmental issues can and will be discussed elsewhere on the site, and I think it'd be close to impossible to expect that all discussions on that certain subject take place in only one forum, considering the far reaching consequences of screwing up our environment, and the fact that so many other factors, besides what's purely biological, is influential in whether or not our children or grand children will have a place to live when they grow old.

Personally, I welcome any and all serious threads on the environmental issue, unfortunately we haven't had many of them since the merge...

[zombo.com]

Unless I'm mistaken, the original reason why F&F was combined with GL was because both forums were of the low traffic variety, and that the administration had decided to slim down the site as a whole. A few proposals came up, one of them was to merge the two forums in question as they were somewhat related, and I didn't object because I felt that both poster groups could learn something from each other.

Needless to say, environmental issues can and will be discussed elsewhere on the site, and I think it'd be close to impossible to expect that all discussions on that certain subject take place in only one forum, considering the far reaching consequences of screwing up our environment, and the fact that so many other factors, besides what's purely biological, is influential in whether or not our children or grand children will have a place to live when they grow old.

Personally, I welcome any and all serious threads on the environmental issue, unfortunately we haven't had many of them since the merge...

that was pretty much how i remembered it going down, thanks for inputting.

Marking closed. if you really want an environmental forum i suggest getting conversation going on those types of threads in the current forum, bring the traffic up to the point where it actually needs it's own spot so F&F isn't being overrun.

[elf omg]

But now trousersnake can't discuss environmental issues :(

[SHH]

And for the record, I did say it was something I would support at the beginning of the thread. Trousersnake took a mental on me when I joked I would be mod.

It's because he wanted to be a mod. He denies it of course, but he does.

[Trousersnake]

You're an idiot SHH. I'm not on here enough to be a mod, I mean it would be fun to abuse the powers and edit/delete/infract stupid people like you but how long would that last before you all went into a nerd tears frenzy?

Dr Rocker you assume I read whatever it is you're referring to and "took a mental on you", so you do the same and read/reread the post where I said I won't post in an animal/plant forum to discuss environmental matters...so there's no way I'll post in that thread.

I will do you a favor and put it to you, where did I say it was a shit/stupid idea? I stated there is a reason they aren't mandatory/standard condition. /double facepalm

[Trousersnake]

Again I'm not reading all that shit, I read the first sentence and a bit of the second.

You're right, I didn't refute it...instead I told you to continue having a conversation with yourself. Remember? Because I didn't say shit about it, and although I think this is a bad decision I said from the onset that I don't and won't discuss/post environmental subjects in that forum, so saying I'm bitter now is moronic.

You're no doubt aware I've posted a little teaser in your thread, and I do have genuine 'concerns' or 'issues' whatever you want to call it with these installations. But well you'll never know them will you. I guess you can add that grievance to your list for Zoklet

[Trousersnake]

If you like the idea how about YOU raise the question? I've asked twice and both times idiots threaten to troll, traffic is mentioned, number of forums is mentioned....people accuse me of wanting to mod it...

In total maybe 4 people post. The people that say they would use it get shat on and the end result remains the same...forum jump or post in a forum that's not designed for it and enjoy seeing any thread you naively begin in there have maybe one post, generally someone trying to be funny. Then lost in amongst threads about reptiles, pets, ethics of killing insects, someones cat having kittens, etc

[DECI4]

Yea this idea is really shit. Thank god the mods had the sense to reject it. They are already so swamped with work and responsibilty I can't imagine the effort it would take to implement a new forum, not to mention finding someone to mod it.

[Trousersnake]

Yea this idea is really shit. Thank god the mods had the sense to reject it. They are already so swamped with work and responsibilty I can't imagine the effort it would take to implement a new forum, not to mention finding someone to mod it.

Lulz

[DaGuru]

Again I'm not reading all that shit,

Trousersnake....just end this ridiculous farce already, and GTFO of here. You aren't here for any "discussion", instead just to troll and attention whore like you always do. How many times have you said, "I'm not reading that".....yet you keep this lying nonsense up about wanting a 2-way "discussion". You don't want to discuss jack squat....instead just stand on a soap box and spew your silly opinions, without any debate, disagreement, or discussion.

Face it fool.....you have always been a ponderous little blowhard that didn't know much about anything, and your ONLY claim to any kind of recognition from your Totse days was you were such a toxic and annoying presence Hunter himself had to come off the ivory throne to take care of your blithering stupidity.

Hell, that isn't even something you yourself "did"......instead its just yet another EPIC FAILURE FROM ZOK, because he was doing such a pitiful job managing(?) his staff members. Poor Jeff had to take matters into his own hands since Zok is such a cowardly and stunned leader(?), his "ignore it and it will go away" mantra didn't work (when does it ever? :confused:)....for the betterment of the community Jeff did the common sense thing that Zok himself was too much of a scared moron to do.

Now keep responding to all these truthful takes about your petty ideas and misguided history about what Zoklet "is"....with nothing more than.."I don't wanna listen to you"....and everyone will continue to mock just how ridiculous you are by claiming you want "discussion", when all you really desire is a platform to pout and whine without any dissenting text being thrown your way.

ELL OH FUCKIN ELL @ the feeble fuck-up supposedly wanting "discussion", but not willing to read or listen to anyone else's posts. :muahaha:

[Trousersnake]

^^Thanks for the bit of Totse fiction :rolleyes: