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IIIII
01-04-2011, 02:01 AM
So is this the perpetual energy machine? Some say it is...... Discuss!!!

Karpen's Pile: A Battery That Produces Energy Continuously Since 1950 Exists in Romanian Museum
By Ovidiu Sandru | 27 December 2010

The "Dimitrie Leonida" National Technical Museum from Romania hosts a weird kind of battery. Built by Vasile Karpen, the pile has been working uninterrupted for 60 years. "I admit it's also hard for me to advance the idea of an overunity generator without sounding ridiculous, even if the object exists," says Nicolae Diaconescu, engineer and director of the museum.

The invention cannot be exposed because the museum doesn't have enough money to buy the security system necessary for such an exhibit.

Half a century ago, the pile's inventor had said it will work forever, and so far it looks like he was right. Karpen's perpetual motion machine now sits secured right in the director's office. It has been called "the uniform-temperature thermoelectric pile," and the first prototype has been built in the 1950s. Although it should have stopped working decades ago, it didn't.

The scientists can't explain how the contraption, patented in 1922, works. The fact that still puzzles them is how a man of such a scientific stature such as Karpen's could have started building something "that crazy."

The prototype has been assembled in 1950 and consists of two series-connected electric piles moving a small galvanometric motor. The motor moves a blade that is connected to a switch. With every half rotation, the blade opens the circuit and closes it at the the start of the second half. The blade's rotation time had been calculated so that the piles have time to recharge and that they can rebuild their polarity during the time that the circuit is open.....

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According to some who studied Karpen's theoretical work, the pile he invented defies the second principle of thermodynamics (referring to the transformation of thermal energy into mechanical work), and this makes it a second-degree perpetual motion machine. Others say it doesn't, being merely a generalization to the law, and an application of zero point energy.

If Karpen was right, and the principle is 100% correct, it would revolutionize all of the physics theories from the bottom up, with hard to imagine consequences. Though I guess this isn't going to happen very soon, the museum still needs proper private funding to acquire the necessary security equipment required by the police to exhibit the device.

Build your free energy device, with off-the-shelf components you can purchase cheaply. Basically, what it does is extracting energy out of radio waves. More information is available here

http://www.greenoptimistic.com/2010/12/25/karpen-pile/



http://uk.ibtimes.com/articles/20101227/karpen-039pilebattery-produces-energy-continuously-since-1950-exists-romanian-museum.htm

Tre!nt
01-04-2011, 02:56 AM
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Son of Liberty
01-04-2011, 03:03 AM
reminds me of this hogwash
CLAIMS that the world’s first human clone has been created by a company linked to a religious cult has been greeted by scepticism from leading scientists. linky!~ (http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories/Scientists-scoff-at-cloned-baby.2389471.jp)

Erorr
01-04-2011, 03:03 AM
This pleases me

BastardLunatic
01-04-2011, 03:40 AM
cool story brah
romanian bullshit =/= perpetuum mobile

Figure-8
01-04-2011, 04:20 AM
Sorry no embed.

http://video.godlikeproductions.com/video/Video_Proof_of_Concept

BastardLunatic
01-04-2011, 05:29 AM
blah

DiStOrTiOn
01-04-2011, 11:50 AM
fuckin magic

matt110
01-04-2011, 12:19 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics

IIIII
01-04-2011, 10:22 PM
So how can we be sure that these batteries will not last for ever?

Here is one that has produced energy since 1840!!!

Highlights of the Clarendon Laboratory Archive

The Clarendon Dry Pile was purchased by Robert Walker (Professor of physics 1839-1865) and bears the label in his handwriting "Set up in 1840", though a later note indicates that it may have been constructed some 15 years earlier. It consists of two voltaic "dry-piles", covered with an insulating layer of sulphur, connected in series and, at their lower ends, to two bells. Between the bells is suspended a metal sphere about 4mm in diameter which is attracted alternately by the bells and transfers charge from one to the other. The frequency of its oscillation is about 2Hz; so far the bells have been rung of the order of 10 billion times.
The internal construction of the piles themselves remains a matter for conjecture, but records of similar popular curiosities of the period e.g. Zamboni piles, indicate that they are probably of alternate layers of metal foil and paper coated with manganese dioxide.
Some published reports of the Pile unfortunately refer to it as an example of perpetual motion but the Guinness Book of Records has it under the "worlds most durable battery" delivering "ceaseless tintinnabulation". It may be seen but not heard as the ringing is muffled, in the ground floor display cabinet near the main entrance of the Clarendon Laboratory.

http://www.physics.ox.ac.uk/history.asp?page=Highlights

Jukebox_Hero
01-05-2011, 01:58 AM
Sorry no embed.

http://video.godlikeproductions.com/video/Video_Proof_of_Concept

Does anyone have this? http://www.nikolateslasecret.com/index2.php

Vargus
01-05-2011, 03:31 AM
Does anyone have this?

No, but the proof of concept is sound, although you will get very little energy. The amount of power you can source will be directly dependent on the size of your antenna and the bandwidth of the diodes. (The choice listed in the video is a good one.) The circuit is also not optimal, though.

I've read about similar things being done with railway lines since they are very long and electrically connected.

Bin "Fuck Towers" Laden
01-05-2011, 03:56 AM
Whether or not this is true. I imagine it extremely likely in time the physics laws will have to be revised or new ones discovered.

If I had a free energy device, I would quickly release the plans to the whole world, hopefully anonymously. Perhaps get some GNU so people cannot copy-write it.

Jukebox_Hero
01-06-2011, 03:05 AM
No, but the proof of concept is sound, although you will get very little energy. The amount of power you can source will be directly dependent on the size of your antenna and the bandwidth of the diodes. (The choice listed in the video is a good one.) The circuit is also not optimal, though.

I've read about similar things being done with railway lines since they are very long and electrically connected.

Cool.

Anyone down for a group buy? I don't want to pay full price for something I could research on my own. My curiosity is kinda getting the best of my here.. like how they're advertising that you can power an entire home this way.

IIIII
01-07-2011, 12:35 AM
Tesla's secret radiant energy collector revealed

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I think that the device that he is describing is the Tesla invention that Samual Chase stopped financing after learning it would provide free energy to everyone.

The link in the video.

http://www.lucidcafe.com/library/96jul/teslaauto06.html

Vargus
01-07-2011, 01:36 AM
Cool.

Anyone down for a group buy? I don't want to pay full price for something I could research on my own. My curiosity is kinda getting the best of my here.. like how they're advertising that you can power an entire home this way.

No need. All it is is an antenna, which taps electromagnetic radiation over all wavelengths, and a full wave DC rectifier circuit. A large bandwidth antenna is advisable unless you have a local hotspot of certain wavelength where you are.

The video's circuit is a full wave rectifier also acting as a voltage doubler.

Hydroponichronic
01-07-2011, 05:29 AM
http://cdn.buzznet.com/media-cdn/jj1/headlines/2009/12/cameron-diaz-tom-cruise-knight-and-day-trailer.jpg

Pretty good movie, IMO.

Masterdanger
01-13-2011, 08:54 AM
Electrical engineer here. Vargus is right.

It's just a rectifier that doesn't even convert to a completely stable DC source, and the power received by antennas is really really small, even if you are taking in a large range of frequencies. And really, perpetual energy device is a poor description, since the power is coming from the stations that are broadcasting the signal.