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johnplywd
03-16-2009, 02:59 AM
Casting spells is forcing ones will on other people, manipulating
them and their circumstances, and controlling other people and their circumstances, for their own good.
Has anyone here used spells for his/her own benefit in the real world ? Did it work ?
a giant pterodactyl
03-16-2009, 04:13 AM
Casting spells is forcing ones will on other people, manipulating
them and their circumstances, and controlling other people and their circumstances, for their own good.
Has anyone here used spells for his/her own benefit in the real world ? Did it work ?
i thought about it, but visualization techniques are much better IMO
Vox Ducis
03-16-2009, 02:42 PM
If anyone had the power to cast spells and actually succeeded, he or she could rule the world. So, I think it's impossible.
Toothlessjoe
03-16-2009, 02:43 PM
If anyone had the power to cast spells and actually succeeded they're mentally unstable and should seek medical help.
ArmsMerchant
03-16-2009, 06:02 PM
If anyone had the power to cast spells and actually succeeded, he or she could rule the world. So, I think it's impossible.
This is a common misconception.
You see, when you reach the spiritual level needed to do that sort of thing, you have already transcended your ego to the extent that you have no desire to.
cheech
03-16-2009, 06:05 PM
If anyone had the power to cast spells and actually succeeded, he or she could rule the world. So, I think it's impossible.
It's not that simple really. Now that I can, i don't want to rule the world...
Vox Ducis
03-16-2009, 09:19 PM
It's not that simple really. Now that I can, i don't want to rule the world...
This is a common misconception.
You see, when you reach the spiritual level needed to do that sort of thing, you have already transcended your ego to the extent that you have no desire to.
Yes, you can cast spells, and the aliens are knocking at my door.
Wait ! I go to see who it is ?
Oh, E.T ! I'm very pleased to see you. Do come in and have a seat. I give you the phone...
FireVein
03-21-2009, 01:46 AM
Yes, you can cast spells, and the aliens are knocking at my door.
Wait ! I go to see who it is ?
Oh, E.T ! I'm very pleased to see you. Do come in and have a seat. I give you the phone...
That's very insulting to those of us who actually CAN cast spells.
No, you misunderstand what spells actually are. They aren't casted on people to control them. If your a witch you know this violates our number 1 rule. The violation of will is a very bad thing and anybody who does such is severely punished. Not by mundane means either. Karma is the biggest bitch I know.
Yes it works but only if you aren't selfish about it. And while we're on the subject, no they don't work instantly and no, you can't conjure up a blond bombshell wife. Sorry.
Casting spells is forcing ones will on other people, manipulating
them and their circumstances, and controlling other people and their circumstances, for their own good.
Has anyone here used spells for his/her own benefit in the real world ? Did it work ?
You won't get me quoting on this subject too much but I have some incite and wisdom to impart.
Casting "spells" on people with out their permission and either forcing them to your will, manipulating the circumstances, or controlling them in some way or form even if you think "It's for their good" is a karmic wrong.
Everyone has been born with free will and it's not up to you to take it away.
I have used spells in the past and they have worked but in very strange ways... They were not to harm but instead to enable others to see who a person was and what they were like, To notify the universe of the hurt they had caused others including myself and let whatever Karma either good or bad go to where it was needed and that was it, No ill intention, I just didn't want her to hurt others or to hurt or others to hurt anymore from her own malicious behaviors.
As it stands I've practiced for many years as a high priest in a circle and I have come to the conclusion of a karmic balanced of will and energy.... Instead of saying "You will take this energy (spell)" I send it out with the intention of if it's needed to take it if it's not needed or wanted to dissipate and flow away.
I usually ask permission before hand but there is people I know where we have forwardly acknowledged each other and freely exchange energies if we think it's merited with the same basis.
As for using "spells" for my own benefit in some ways I can say yes.
For the most part though use common sense and don't expect some miracle spell to save your ass or get you a job. In those cases I find it's more to try to motivate yourself and give you an uplifted positive attitude and confidence to look good to a potential employer, Projecting "I will get this job".
As for harming anyone the usual "rule" to that is expect back what you sent out with entrust. You're putting out hate and dislike and naturally you will receive people or things within the same mindset and you'll only end up hurting yourself.
I have seen it happen a few times and it's no ones fault but by their own doings.
Al
FireVein
03-21-2009, 02:45 AM
You won't get me quoting on this subject too much but I have some incite and wisdom to impart.
Mayhaps you should quote more often. I understand secrecy is part of it all but many people have extreme misunderstandings and if they are willing to learn you should try to help.
Resign the King
03-21-2009, 03:04 AM
This is a common misconception.
You see, when you reach the spiritual level needed to do that sort of thing, you have already transcended your ego to the extent that you have no desire to.
Then how do you know it's even possible?
Mayhaps you should quote more often. I understand secrecy is part of it all but many people have extreme misunderstandings and if they are willing to learn you should try to help.
It's not about secrecy as I'm open about my beliefs to those that know me personally in life.
I just don't like to have to constantly explain to others why I choose the path I choose nor do I want them to Google facts about whatever religion or knowledge I haven't ascertained and have them shove it in my face in some childish show of mental superiority.
They'll back track and look at my other posts that range from mean to serious outrageous to kindly and try to analyze me by some nonsensical means and I choose for that not to happen even though after this post someone most likely will.
As it stand I find my self no worse and no better than anyone else... I may excel in some spots they don't but it's a two way path.
If people are willing to learn though it is possible like this post I may impart the various wisdom I have gained throughout my life as knowledge and leave it up to choice.
Al
FireVein
03-21-2009, 05:20 PM
It's not about secrecy as I'm open about my beliefs to those that know me personally in life.
I just don't like to have to constantly explain to others why I choose the path I choose nor do I want them to Google facts about whatever religion or knowledge I haven't ascertained and have them shove it in my face in some childish show of mental superiority.
=) That's understandable. It is much harder to explain things on the internet. Most people DO go off and google stuff they don't even understand then try to throw it in your face not realizing they are only making a fool of themselves. Stupid people are a good reason just not to say anything ;)
a giant pterodactyl
03-21-2009, 07:33 PM
=) That's understandable. It is much harder to explain things on the internet. Most people DO go off and google stuff they don't even understand then try to throw it in your face not realizing they are only making a fool of themselves. Stupid people are a good reason just not to say anything ;)
some people are just smart enough to get themselves in trouble. is the tl;dr version
i understand what you are saying
Vox Ducis
03-21-2009, 09:12 PM
That's very insulting to those of us who actually CAN cast spells.
No, you misunderstand what spells actually are. They aren't casted on people to control them. If your a witch you know this violates our number 1 rule. The violation of will is a very bad thing and anybody who does such is severely punished. Not by mundane means either. Karma is the biggest bitch I know.
Yes it works but only if you aren't selfish about it. And while we're on the subject, no they don't work instantly and no, you can't conjure up a blond bombshell wife. Sorry.
My goal was to mock those who think they can do evil or control one's mind by using spells.
I don't know what you exactly mean by "casting spells", but if you could give me an example of what you consider possible to do and how to do it, then we can discuss seriously.
My goal was to mock those who think they can do evil or control one's mind by using spells.
I don't know what you exactly mean by "casting spells", but if you could give me an example of what you consider possible to do and how to do it, then we can discuss seriously.
When I was going through a bad breakup I sent one out to see her one last time to just tell her how I felt and how hurt I was over what she was doing / kept doing... About a month later her brother that I got along with called me to say she'd be at her place for X amount of time for the night and I did get to see her that one last time... She lied to my face and that was the last I ever seen of her before she destroyed me Emotionally, Financially, and to some extent Mentally from which I have recovered from.
When I was able to calm down from what happened and with a level head I created another "spell"... I sent out a plea to the universe to do as it deemed fit and asked it to show people who she was on the inside and to send back any karma where it was due.
It wasn't in negativity or hatred. It was done out of once being loved in a lie and just wanting the hurt she gave out to me and others to stop.
Last I heard she was diagnosed with some form of malignant cancer.
As for me there will always be a mistrust of her and if I ever see her I would be tempted to do something rash but she isn't worth it.
All she does is hurt others and in turn she hurts herself by her own doing.
More so than that she is pitied... She gave up a great guy just to keep playing petty cruel games. All the lies she tells leaves an unloved person inside her that will torment her someday when she realizes how much more she could of had.
Al
Vox Ducis
03-23-2009, 06:07 PM
When I was going through a bad breakup I sent one out to see her one last time to just tell her how I felt and how hurt I was over what she was doing / kept doing... About a month later her brother that I got along with called me to say she'd be at her place for X amount of time for the night and I did get to see her that one last time... She lied to my face and that was the last I ever seen of her before she destroyed me Emotionally, Financially, and to some extent Mentally from which I have recovered from.
When I was able to calm down from what happened and with a level head I created another "spell"... I sent out a plea to the universe to do as it deemed fit and asked it to show people who she was on the inside and to send back any karma where it was due.
It wasn't in negativity or hatred. It was done out of once being loved in a lie and just wanting the hurt she gave out to me and others to stop.
Last I heard she was diagnosed with some form of malignant cancer.
As for me there will always be a mistrust of her and if I ever see her I would be tempted to do something rash but she isn't worth it.
All she does is hurt others and in turn she hurts herself by her own doing.
More so than that she is pitied... She gave up a great guy just to keep playing petty cruel games. All the lies she tells leaves an unloved person inside her that will torment her someday when she realizes how much more she could of had.
Al
That doesn't prove anything.
When you speak of spells, others can think you met her a last time by chance.
If you think your spell might be responsible for her cancer, others will answer it's a punishment from God.
If you think her behaviour is the reason for her cancer, explain me why children die of leukemia ? They robbed too much at the candy shop ?
And did you wonder why you suffered so much ? Maybe you acted wrong like her ?
Believing these things are true is only superstition.
That doesn't prove anything.
When you speak of spells, others can think you met her a last time by chance.
People can believe whatever they choose to believe.
It's possible but I choose to believe due to circumstances not stated for it to be otherwise.
If you think your spell might be responsible for her cancer, others will answer it's a punishment from God.
Depending which belief or faith they follow, They're entitled to their own opinion and thoughts as I am entitled to mine.
If you think her behaviour is the reason for her cancer, explain me why children die of leukemia ? They robbed too much at the candy shop ?
If you believe in past lives it could be due to something they did that they never payed for or in this time around it's an experience they had to gain to move onto the next life.
I will admit though either way that it's sad when a child is sick and die.
And did you wonder why you suffered so much ? Maybe you acted wrong like her ?
A few reasons...
I believe that every on of my pasts has had "the one" ultimately bad thing to happen in it and they weren't able to move past it and soon after died. This was my "one" to get past, Since this I have learned many lessons and allot of them are hard but it's up to me to move past them take with me what I've learned and move from there.
I have also done bad things in this life and I have payed for them many many times over.
As for her she seen me who was willing to believe in her and used it as a means to an end which was to play her game and money.
Believing these things are true is only superstition.
As is every religion... You choose to believe it or not it's up to the individual.
I could argue the Bible is complete bull or Buddha was a masochist that liked to touch children.
I don't believe the above stated about the Bible or Buddha to be true but it's not my place to judge if it is or it isn't.
To me what religion is, Is just belief.
It could be your own personal belief, Someone elses, Something based off one belief, Or one based of multiple beliefs.
As for me what I believe is there's bigger things out there and that mental thought can be a powerful thing.
I have "seen" things and have "felt" things that most people would argue is bull but they are not me and I am not them.
It's what I believe to be part of my own personal "Religion" as I don't see it as such but just my ow personal beliefs.
Either way neither party has walked in the others shoes so how can you know it to be true or not until you experience it yourself?
Al
FireVein
03-23-2009, 08:52 PM
Either way neither party has walked in the others shoes so how can you know it to be true or not until you experience it yourself?
Al
Ah, very excellent insight. That is the reason we have stupid arguments and fights and maybe even some wars. If anyone knew what the other persons story was that wouldn't happen. If there is one lesson I would like everyone to learn it is that one.
Vox Ducis
03-23-2009, 09:36 PM
People can believe whatever they choose to believe.
It's possible but I choose to believe due to circumstances not stated for it to be otherwise.
Depending which belief or faith they follow, They're entitled to their own opinion and thoughts as I am entitled to mine.
So, it's useless to talk about religion, beliefs...
If you believe in past lives it could be due to something they did that they never payed for or in this time around it's an experience they had to gain to move onto the next life.
I will admit though either way that it's sad when a child is sick and die.
I know someone who thinks like you. He accuses a lot of people (children starving to death, burned "witches", people having Aids, cancer...) of paying what they did in a past life or in their current life.
But when it comes to a member of his family or a friend or himself, he completely changes his mind and speaks of fate.
That's why I have a bad experience about talking of past lives and don't want to believe in them.
Vox Ducis
03-23-2009, 09:37 PM
Ah, very excellent insight. That is the reason we have stupid arguments and fights and maybe even some wars. If anyone knew what the other persons story was that wouldn't happen. If there is one lesson I would like everyone to learn it is that one.
Absolutely true !
The Jitterskull
03-23-2009, 10:08 PM
But when it comes to a member of his family or a friend or himself, he completely changes his mind and speaks of fate.
That's why I have a bad experience about talking of past lives and don't want to believe in them.
I know people with selfish thoughts will leave a bad aftertaste, but remember hes only one person. If hes a service-to-self being, he will do anything to show that he is not wrong.
I don't blame you though, I've had tons of great experiences put off by some negative person-- only for me to rediscover something amazing in the future when I open my eyes.
PS: When I say open my eyes, I don't mean that in a negative way to anything you said, my choice of words is probably poor.
So, it's useless to talk about religion, beliefs...
I find that in allot of cases if the person is close minded yes. Other than that I actually enjoy the stories and experiences people have to share within reason.
I know someone who thinks like you. He accuses a lot of people (children starving to death, burned "witches", people having Aids, cancer...) of paying what they did in a past life or in their current life.
But when it comes to a member of his family or a friend or himself, he completely changes his mind and speaks of fate.
That's why I have a bad experience about talking of past lives and don't want to believe in them.
I wouldn't blame you on your views.
It happens allot of "Do onto others but fuck it not me".. The guy sounds like a hypocrite but allot of people are when it comes to close relatives and acquaintances.
I find it's very hard for people to see both sides of a story...
As for people believing in past lives I've heard teenagers tell me they're a half goth dragon of diagon of the sixth moon of Hades and that in a past life they were a vampire knight in heavens unknown legion.:rolleyes:
In these cases I really have to bite my tongue because it so far fetched even for me and when you question them about their reasoning it's usually "someone on the internet told me".:facepalm:
That's their personal beliefs and that's fine but out of respect for me please don't bother talking about it unless you're willing to actually take a journey and find out for yourself who you are instead of what someone else says you are.
For me I try to direct them to useful information that may help and sometimes even give out books that I have bought so that there can at least be some sort of basis for them to start thinking for themselves or to learn of other peoples experiences to start making their own.
As for why I believe in past lives is because I actually meditated on myself and seen who I believe was me in different lives... I was never a king and I wasn't always someone of even mediocre importance.. I was the foot soldier, The husband, The farmer, The pervert, The lover, and many many more.
Either way I can respect your views on not wanting to believe in past lives and won't bother you about them as you started you disliked talking about them.
I leave an invitation open for you though if ever you so choose to do so.
And I may not have explained my ideals properly... If not I'll try to re illiterate them.
Al
JANUS
03-24-2009, 01:02 AM
So to summarize the thread:
"spells are real"
"prove it"
"i've done them"
"how?"
"i willed it"
"that's not real"
"it's my belief it is real"
"oh ok, lets both believe what we want"
Drewski
03-24-2009, 05:13 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66FAkLLDrZY
johnplywd
03-24-2009, 05:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66FAkLLDrZY
whats the connection
FireVein
03-25-2009, 11:21 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66FAkLLDrZY
You do understand that was roleplaying right?
Drewski
03-25-2009, 04:45 PM
You do understand that was roleplaying right?
Yes, and I believe they are pretending they have magic powers even though they'd like it to be true.
The Jitterskull
03-25-2009, 07:25 PM
Yes, and I believe they are pretending they have magic powers even though they'd like it to be true.
:facepalm:
FireVein
03-26-2009, 11:34 AM
Yes, and I believe they are pretending they have magic powers even though they'd like it to be true.
No. They don't want it to be true. They know it's fake. That guy is just there for entertainment purposes. And we've already explained in this thread that we are talking about a completely different type of magick.
JANUS
03-26-2009, 09:48 PM
A lot of people know that their bullshit is fake, they just want attention.
Knight of Blackness
03-27-2009, 10:48 AM
I tried Hado San juu san; Sokatsui. But it didn't work. :( Same goes for Shakkahou and even Byakurai. I must fail as a shinigami.
Vox Ducis
03-27-2009, 02:20 PM
I tried Hado San juu san; Sokatsui. But it didn't work. :( Same goes for Shakkahou and even Byakurai. I must fail as a shinigami.
:Dlulz:D
ArmsMerchant
03-27-2009, 06:47 PM
Then how do you know it's even possible?
Personal experience.
Resign the King
03-27-2009, 08:03 PM
Personal experience.
Please elaborate.
a giant pterodactyl
03-28-2009, 02:10 AM
Please elaborate.
things of a spiritual nature can't be put into mere human words. feelings, emotions, the soul, they were not meant to be expressed in words. some may try and come close, but you can NEVER understand until you have experienced it for yourself/
Dread_Lord
03-28-2009, 02:12 AM
Casting spells is forcing ones will on other people, manipulating
them and their circumstances, and controlling other people and their circumstances, for their own good.
Has anyone here used spells for his/her own benefit in the real world ? Did it work ?
Well since you put it like that, I have had to use the asswhooping spell a few times and had more powerful asswhooping spells used on me as well. :(
Resign the King
03-28-2009, 04:06 AM
things of a spiritual nature can't be put into mere human words. feelings, emotions, the soul, they were not meant to be expressed in words. some may try and come close, but you can NEVER understand until you have experienced it for yourself/
You assume wrongly I haven't had spiritual experiences in my life.
He is suggesting that by getting to the level where you could have the power to make yourself president you have to surpass your ego to get there. Which is somewhat like saying you can jump to the moon but to achieve the ability you first have to destroy your ability to jump and never jump to the moon. So a reasonable question, how do you know it's even possible if it cannot be done? He replies personal experience, honestly if he is going to take the energy to even reply to my post in the first place I would appreciate something less ambiguous then just 'personal experience'.
Also another question, if the goal was spiritual evolution couldn't many people be helped by a spiritual teacher who took the selfless opportunity to help others evolve by becoming a leader? If people could get to the level of superpowers where greyfox claims to have personal experience of couldn't they use their powers selflessly to gain positions of power with the goal of enlightenment for all humans?
Mirana
03-28-2009, 04:41 AM
If anyone had the power to cast spells and actually succeeded they're mentally unstable and should seek medical help.
Lol, possibly the only post you've made on zoklet I approve of.
FireVein
03-28-2009, 04:45 PM
You assume wrongly I haven't had spiritual experiences in my life.
He is suggesting that by getting to the level where you could have the power to make yourself president you have to surpass your ego to get there. Which is somewhat like saying you can jump to the moon but to achieve the ability you first have to destroy your ability to jump and never jump to the moon. So a reasonable question, how do you know it's even possible if it cannot be done? He replies personal experience, honestly if he is going to take the energy to even reply to my post in the first place I would appreciate something less ambiguous then just 'personal experience'.
Also another question, if the goal was spiritual evolution couldn't many people be helped by a spiritual teacher who took the selfless opportunity to help others evolve by becoming a leader? If people could get to the level of superpowers where greyfox claims to have personal experience of couldn't they use their powers selflessly to gain positions of power with the goal of enlightenment for all humans?
You do make a good point. But that's not what they mean be surpassing ego. You don't have to surpass your ego. That's just most good people. There are those that would use spells for bad. But the thing is, the karmic backlash is so powerful that once they use one bad spell, they pretty much fucked up their life. And I'm sure after that, they have no desire to use spells to manipulate/gain power/etc.
And when people embark upon a path like this, most of it is self discovery. They need to do it for themselves. Greyfox can only guide them. He can't actually dig in and help. Taking your self to a position where you can be the ultimate enlightenment pretty much defeats itself since most religions that cast spells have no stable hierarchy and if we ever had one the entire religion would collapse.
johnplywd
03-29-2009, 06:38 AM
people power and ego go hand in hand. The more power you have the bigger your ego will get thinking about what you can accomplish with all that power. As far as anybody transcending past there ego is BS. Your ego is part of you you cannot transcend past your ego just like you cant get rid of any part of your human nature it will always be there waiting to grow bigger and bigger
FireVein
03-29-2009, 02:08 PM
people power and ego go hand in hand. The more power you have the bigger your ego will get thinking about what you can accomplish with all that power. As far as anybody transcending past there ego is BS. Your ego is part of you you cannot transcend past your ego just like you cant get rid of any part of your human nature it will always be there waiting to grow bigger and bigger
That's untrue. Take Ghandi for example. He was in such a position that if he told his followers to kill everyone they would gladly do it. But he didn't because he transcended his ego and that want for power.
And maybe your right. Maybe you cannot actually 'transcend' your ego. But perhaps you can make it lay dormant. It is possible to repress human nature.
JANUS
03-29-2009, 03:57 PM
why the talk about ego, who says you have to remove your ego to do become enlightened?
FireVein
03-30-2009, 04:45 AM
why the talk about ego, who says you have to remove your ego to do become enlightened?
We were talking about the want for power. Enlightenment is different.
Cathy McGee
03-30-2009, 04:46 AM
count of one
this spells begun
count of two
all lights in tune
count of three all lights stay green for me
(tap 3 times)
so mote it be
use this spell when you dont want any red lights.
FireVein
03-30-2009, 08:36 PM
count of one
this spells begun
count of two
all lights in tune
count of three all lights stay green for me
(tap 3 times)
so mote it be
use this spell when you dont want any red lights.
lol you pulled that right out of Silver
Miaow
03-30-2009, 08:40 PM
I use the spell for the benefit of itself, it worked for me.
I was at school she told me after more than two times that I was drawing a big circle with the stars, sitting in the center had hoped to work fine girl like me to hear MARIRINMANSON.
Work in this case.
Cathy McGee
03-31-2009, 04:59 AM
lol you pulled that right out of Silver
wass silver??
BungHole
08-27-2011, 07:46 PM
I would never use a spell against another person in order to harm them unless it was in self defense. You have to put love and benevolence into your practice if you want your powers to grow.
GreatestGatsby4
08-27-2011, 07:48 PM
Would it be ok to have mutually friendly spell battles then? In order to hone your attack spells?
Would it be ok to have mutually friendly spell battles then? In order to hone your attack spells?
Harm is harm but do as thy will. Most children learn the stove is hot not by words but actions.
If you want to gain anything though try learning to pass energies back and forth and learn to recognize how it feels and flows and with time the things you put work into will grow.
Al
The Pat-Man
09-01-2011, 01:17 AM
I'm still trying to join the mages guild :hrmph:
wyndancer
09-01-2011, 03:23 AM
If anyone had the power to cast spells and actually succeeded they're mentally unstable and should seek medical help.
Anyone who doesn't believe in magick needs to be examined. Not everything can be explained by science and scientists are the some of the first that will acknowledge that. what we take for granted today would have been considered magick 300 years ago.
wyndancer
09-01-2011, 03:34 AM
Would it be ok to have mutually friendly spell battles then? In order to hone your attack spells?
Why would you want to attack? It comes back 3-fold on you. This is not Harry Potter hollywood magic. :whistle: That is SO fake.
Nolte
09-01-2011, 04:02 AM
How can I use spells to harm people?
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