New gun in the safe(don't laugh at it, it feels inadequate).

[Groundhog whacka]

My daughter has always liked going out groundhog hunting with me and even went out bowhunting with me a couple of times when the weather wasn't too nasty.
So I figured it was about time to get her a little more involved. My wife thinks six is still too young but I think she is mature enough. Besides she already has gun safety drilled into her head.
It look a little out of place sitting next to my AR and I am sure it feels slightly inadequate but every gun in there has a purpose.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/Groundhogwhacka/P3170037.jpg

[Yodabutter]

Tell her "You'll shoot your eye out kid!" and take it away.

EDIT: It was A Christmas Story reference dumbass

Hey, dumbass, I know and don't give a fuck. It's easier to infract you here for ONE post instead of three separate infractions in another thread.

Unless you want me to take away the warning and give an actual infraction, three times. Hmm?

-RL.

[ILTST9]

6? You should have done this when she was 4!

[JANUS]

When are you getting her her first vibrator?

[Rocky]

Is she hot?

[1983]

Good job on getting your kid her first gun.

Six is about the right age for kids to have their first pellet gun... I gave my old one away to my little six year old cousin about a year ago after asking his dad to make sure it was all right.

Uncle Al was planning on getting him one soon anyways and I've never seen a kid so happy... He got a gun and a puppy in the same day.

And his father drilled into his head safety first and is always around when he's out with it.

Either way there's not much in the way of squirrels left around their cottage anymore. :D

Al

[The Savage]

Nice, wont be long now and she'll be asking for a .22.....or given who her father is, maybe a .220 Swift :thumbsup: .

don't laugh at it
Sorry, couldn't help myself :D .

[Random_Looney]

Awesome.

[God Like]

Tell her "You'll shoot your eye out kid!" and take it away.

EDIT: It was A Christmas Story reference dumbass

lol, loved where the teacher commented on his Christmas assignment

[wu-soldier]

Good idea, teach your kid to use a gun. While your at it, why don't you just enlist her for the army right now.

[LavaRed]

Good idea, teach your kid to use a gun. While your at it, why don't you just enlist her for the army right now.

I had my first pellet rifle at around 6 or 7. Its the best age I think. My dad never let me play with toy guns tho, because he always said that guns weren't toys.

You know guys, a good, timely spanking once in a while when the kid is young and behaves badly will go far more towards preventing them from becoming murderous psycopaths than not teaching them how to shoot young.
Thats all I'm saying.

[Eskorbuto]

Good idea, teach your kid to use a gun. While your at it, why don't you just enlist her for the army right now.

What's your major malfunction, you "liberal" douche?

Why don't you just go jump off a bridge?

[The Savage]

I had my first pellet rifle at around 6 or 7. Its the best age I think. My dad never let me play with toy guns tho, because he always said that guns weren't toys.
Aye, i got a single shot .22 and air rifle around the same age but hardly got to use the .22 till a couple of years later

You know guys, a good, timely spanking once in a while when the kid is young and behaves badly will go far more towards preventing them from becoming murderous psycopaths than not teaching them how to shoot young.
Thats all I'm saying.
+1

[Vox Ducis]

- Hey daddy, can I have a hand grenade and an RPG for my birthday ?
- Sure...

- Hey daddy, can I stick my baseball bat in the dog's ass ?
- Who cares ???

[elf omg]

Giving a firearm to a 6-year old sounds like willful neglect and endangerment to me.

[rabbitweed]

I for one don't care if some dudes daughter shoots himself.

Fuck I don't know you, why should I?

Get her a flamethrower as well!

[Rainycity]

im in no place to judge. i have no gun

[The Savage]

Giving a firearm to a 6-year old sounds like willful neglect and endangerment to me.

And you're a fucktard.

this place really has gone to shit.

I for one don't care if some dudes daughter shoots himself.
Anyone else see the genius in this post?

[rabbitweed]

And you're a fucktard.

this place really has gone to shit.


Anyone else see the genius in this post?

The first letter of that sentence should be capitalised.

[elf omg]

And you're a fucktard.

this place really has gone to shit.

When I was 6, I stuck a fork in an electrical outlet and was electrocuted. I was aware that it was dangerous, and would probably hurt me.

You don't give little kids weapons.

[The Savage]

When I was 6, I stuck a fork in an electrical outlet and was electrocuted. I was aware that it was dangerous, and would probably hurt me.

You don't give little kids weapons.

You were a very stupid child then. If you wait till kids are in their late teens to teach them about guns you're inviting trouble, they're cocky and think they know all and that is when you see accidents happen or dickheads shooting their friends with "unloaded" guns. When it's drilled into them from a young age you don't see anywhere near as many problems. It's not like you're just throwing a rifle to a kid and saying "Here have fun, i'll be back in a few hours". I can think of atleast a dozen people off the top of my head who have been using guns since they could pick them up and they have been ZERO accidents, However i can not say the same thing about people that have been taught to use guns in their late teens - twenties.

It's all about the child in question, if you have a dumb shit child like you're telling me you were then of course you don't give them a gun.

[elf omg]

You were a very stupid child then. If you wait till kids are in their late teens to teach them about guns you're inviting trouble, they're cocky and think they know all and that is when you see accidents happen or dickheads shooting their friends with "unloaded" guns. When it's drilled into them from a young age you don't see anywhere near as many problems. It's not like you're just throwing a rifle to a kid and saying "Here have fun, i'll be back in a few hours". I can think of atleast a dozen people off the top of my head who have been using guns since they could pick them up and they have been ZERO accidents, However i can not say the same thing about people that have been taught to use guns in their late teens - twenties.

It's all about the child in question, if you have a dumb shit child like you're telling me you were then of course you don't give them a gun.

You don't know anyone that got their guns in their teens-20's that hasn't had an accident with the gun? Or do you mean, less than a dozen? Move out of hick country and maybe you'll find a few people who weren't raised as murderers.

[The Savage]

You don't know anyone that got their guns in their teens-20's that hasn't had an accident with the gun? Or do you mean, less than a dozen? Move out of hick country and maybe you'll find a few people who weren't raised as murderers.

hahahaha go hit the bong you fucking hippie, and while you're at it GTFO of our forum.

[Random_Looney]

Giving a firearm to a 6-year old sounds like willful neglect and endangerment to me.

Then don't give your child a firearm. You're obviously extremely ignorant of what a BB gun is and what a firearm actually is, which means you should refrain from talking, voting, or having opinions about them.You don't know anyone that got their guns in their teens-20's that hasn't had an accident with the gun? Or do you mean, less than a dozen? Move out of hick country and maybe you'll find a few people who weren't raised as murderers.

If someone hasn't been properly exposed to firearms and trained, preferably from a young age, the risk of improperly handling one is increased.

Also, keep your assaults on peoples' upbringing out of this forum, preferably by extricating yourself, or I will start infracting you.

[Random_Looney]

Move out of hick country and maybe you'll find a few people who weren't raised as murderers.

Okay, the willful ignorance expressed here repeatedly along with your admission of sticking conductors into electrical sockets makes me question your intelligence.

If you honestly believe that despite the fact that morally and ethically, hunting is not murder (coming from someone who has never hunted), hunting is murder within the extremely provincial (why don't you try living in hickville? I grew up in suburbs and cities, have lived in several of the top ten murder cities of the country at the time, and have also lived in a small town... which I didn't like, but that's another story) confines of your skewed morality, keep sucking down tofu in your little naive solipsism and stay the fuck out this forum.

Obviously civilized debate is just beyond you. It's one thing to ignore all my posts tearing apart your illogical, emotional, trolling bullshit, but to go and incense members here to intentionally start arguments is not allowed.

[Random_Looney]

- Hey daddy, can I have a hand grenade and an RPG for my birthday ?
- Sure...


Those are armament, not arms, and not protected by the Second Amendment.

If you have anything productive to say (or perhaps any intelligence to display as you obviously don't know what was pictured) feel free to come back and redeem yourself.

[virgil caine]

good choice on the Red Ryder just make sure you have good eye protection they bounce bbs like nothing else ive seen the only problem i have with them is they can be a real bitch to cock sometimes due to the spring. your gonna have a sore arm if she takes a likeing to it lol.

[1983]

You don't know anyone that got their guns in their teens-20's that hasn't had an accident with the gun? Or do you mean, less than a dozen? Move out of hick country and maybe you'll find a few people who weren't raised as murderers.

Yes I do know someone that got their first gun in their teens and believe you me they've don't some of the most stupid illogical things you could think of, It was only after they got hurt they wised up... Some of the times...

I've had a gun in my hand since I was about 6 - 7... The only gun I ever had an accident with would be a nail gun due to freak circumstances.

Teaching kids how to properly use and maintain a gun will teach them respect for the gun and in turn they'll most likely do the same to other kids around them and someday their own children.

As for me I had friends that would come over and want to shoot that never have before and I'm all right with that as long as the rules of them are followed... I teach them how to aim the safety and how to load the gun properly and the "treat the gun like it is always loaded" thing.

One time a friend of mine after shooting one of my single shot .22s pointed it in my direction so I yanked it out of his hands and he hasn't touched any of my guns since. Needless to say he's a real dumb fucker.

Starting em at a young age is a plus for them and unless your so stuck up in some granola eating heaven where guns pull heir own triggers and rape, murder and other crime doesn't happen your arguments are bull and not wanted here.

Learn to look at the "gun issue" properly and maybe you'll see the "statistics" are biased and done to make guns look bad....

If you really want a place to go and bitch about gun control go to Africa where there actually is a rampant problem with them instead of small incidences here and there.

Al

[Vox Ducis]

Those are armament, not arms, and not protected by the Second Amendment.

If you have anything productive to say (or perhaps any intelligence to display as you obviously don't know what was pictured) feel free to come back and redeem yourself.

Well, "Mr. I know everything", you don't seem to be as smart as you pretend.

Do you know what is a hyperbole ? It's "a figure of speech in which statements are exaggerated. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression, but is rarely meant to be taken literally." (Wikipedia)

My post was a hyperbole, as you can see lots of them everyday on Zoklet.

Buy yourself a piece of sense of humour.

[Random_Looney]

Well, "Mr. I know everything", you don't seem to be as smart as you pretend.

You don't know how smart I pretend to be because I haven't stated it as a fact, and therefor any claim to know my thoughts or opinion is a logical fallacy.

Do you know what is a hyperbole ? It's "a figure of speech in which statements are exaggerated. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression, but is rarely meant to be taken literally." (Wikipedia)

I understand what hyperbole is. You were either using it to make a point, which I discredited, or were posting a non-sequitur, in which case you need to post elsewhere.

My post was a hyperbole, as you can see lots of them everyday on Zoklet.
Which is a non-sequitur meaning exactly jack shit. Zoklet isn't RTBA.

Buy yourself a piece of sense of humour.

My sense of humor is obviously above you. Why don't you buy some for me?

[LavaRed]

Whatever happened to the days when every kid grew up with a Red Ryder or some other BB gun, there were no school shootings, and boys actually looked like boys and not girls in a costume. :(

[blue_monday]

I got my first BB gun at 7, my little brother got his at the same time as me and he was 6. We took them along when we went hunting with our dad too. I think 6 is a great time to start, and the BB guns in the safe so no worries about unsupervised accidents.

[Vox Ducis]

You don't know how smart I pretend to be because I haven't stated it as a fact, and therefor any claim to know my thoughts or opinion is a logical fallacy.?

As you had a doubt about the "intelligence" I could "display" in your previous post, it means that you can recognize intelligence. If you can do that, it means that you pretend to be intelligent. (I don't doubt you are)


I understand what hyperbole is. You were either using it to make a point, which I discredited, or were posting a non-sequitur, in which case you need to post elsewhere.?

If you don't accept that people want to write funny posts, what can I do for you ? Answering to my post like a philosopher is nonsense. If you react this way everytime you see a lack of intelligence, you must have a lot of work...


Which is a non-sequitur meaning exactly jack shit. Zoklet isn't RTBA.

I wouldn't have dared writing "non sequitur" and "shit" in the same sentence.


My sense of humor is obviously above you. Why don't you buy some for me?

Obvious ? For whom ? Apparently, we don't live in the same world.

[Random_Looney]

As you had a doubt about the "intelligence" I could "display" in your previous post, it means that you can recognize intelligence. If you can do that, it means that you pretend to be intelligent. (I don't doubt you are)
That's not a logical syllogism and doesn't mean what you said at all.




If you don't accept that people want to write funny posts, what can I do for you ? Answering to my post like a philosopher is nonsense. If you react this way everytime you see a lack of intelligence, you must have a lot of work...

Answering your post the way I did was not nonsense, and in fact displayed a rebuttle to a very real misconception about the Second Amendment-- namely that all supporters of the Second Amendment want bazookas, etc. Even if you made it in jest, I hear it very seriously proposed as fact quite frequently and it annoys me since it's historically and logically a falsehood.

I did mistakenly believe you were criticizing the legitimacy of the Second Amendment due to this misconception. I'm sorry that I misinterpreted you.




I wouldn't have dared writing "non sequitur" and "shit" in the same sentence.
But I did. Before Marlowe, Spenser, and Milton no one would dare blend Greek and Roman mythology and Epic structure with Christian allegory.




Obvious ? For whom ? Apparently, we don't live in the same world.

That was just me being an asshole.

[Vox Ducis]

Answering your post the way I did was not nonsense, and in fact displayed a rebuttle to a very real misconception about the Second Amendment-- namely that all supporters of the Second Amendment want bazookas, etc. Even if you made it in jest, I hear it very seriously proposed as fact quite frequently and it annoys me since it's historically and logically a falsehood.

I did mistakenly believe you were criticizing the legitimacy of the Second Amendment due to this misconception. I'm sorry that I misinterpreted you.

I understand now where the problem is. I know little about the enflamed debates surrounding the Second Amendment as I am not an American and don't live in the US. I didn't think anyone would take my comments seriously. Be sure that I will never criticize the legitimacy of the Second Amendment or the US Constitution. I am sorry if you thought I wanted to prevent the american citizens from defending themselves.

[reggie_love]

Giving a firearm to a 6-year old sounds like willful neglect and endangerment to me.

It's a BB gun for Christ's sake. :facepalm:

[Random_Looney]

I understand now where the problem is. I know little about the enflamed debates surrounding the Second Amendment as I am not an American and don't live in the US. I didn't think anyone would take my comments seriously. Be sure that I will never criticize the legitimacy of the Second Amendment or the US Constitution. I am sorry if you thought I wanted to prevent the american citizens from defending themselves.

I'm glad you have more respect for the Constitution than many of the US citizens, including those in office and who have otherwise sworn to protect it.

I admit I was irritable, and shouldn't have been.

[LuKaZz420]

I know I will be hated for this but I honestly don't think children should be given firearms as gifts, at least not until they're in their mid to late teens.

I think it's good to bring them out hunting, introduce them to shooting, teach them gun safety and how to operate firearms, make them shoot under constant adult supervision at a gun club/shooting range.

However I don't think minors should have access to firearms without adult supervision, letting your kids shoot your guns it's okay, but giving them one to keep, I think not.

I think children and even teenagers are way to prone to mood shifts, acts of rebellion and most importantly do not have the right level of maturity to be around instruments that have the potential of causing death or serious injury.

I really don't think it should be legal for somebody under 16 years of age to own a firearm, even if it was a parent who gave it to them.

If I have children one day I'm definately going to bring them shooting with me, teach them safety and proficiency, however all my guns will be locked in a safe and out of reach when I'm not around, and there's no way I would entrust a child with a gun without my supervision.

BTW I'm aware the OP gave her a pellet gun I was just replying to some of the other posts.

[Random_Looney]

Well, the interesting thing is groundhog whacka said it was in his gun safe, so I don't think even with a BB gun he or anyone else is necessarily promoting allowing children to keep firearms without adult supervision.

[elf omg]

Hehe.

I realize that it is a BB gun. But the girl is only 6! In my opinion, that's much too young.

Obviously civilized debate is just beyond you. It's one thing to ignore all my posts tearing apart your illogical, emotional, trolling bullshit, but to go and incense members here to intentionally start arguments is not allowed.

Also, keep your assaults on peoples' upbringing out of this forum, preferably by extricating yourself, or I will start infracting you.

My bad, I missed the sticky that stated we were only allowed to "flame" posters if the mods here agree with us. But some things here are different than totse, and I can be infracted for posting off-topic and such.

Okay, the willful ignorance expressed here repeatedly along with your admission of sticking conductors into electrical sockets makes me question your intelligence.

Then don't give your child a firearm. You're obviously extremely ignorant of what a BB gun is and what a firearm actually is, which means you should refrain from talking, voting, or having opinions about them.

hahahaha go hit the bong you fucking hippie, and while you're at it GTFO of our forum.

You were a very stupid child then.

...

It's all about the child in question, if you have a dumb shit child like you're telling me you were then of course you don't give them a gun.

And you're a fucktard.

this place really has gone to shit.


Anyone else see the genius in this post?

What's your major malfunction, you "liberal" douche?

Why don't you just go jump off a bridge?

Okay. What was it that I said?

Move out of hick country and maybe you'll find a few people who weren't raised as murderers.

I guess I was insulting the way some people are raised, but it wasn't a specific person.

My opinion just doesn't match up with the mod's. I remember in gradeschool, living in hick country (this is where I've always lived), parents would take their YOUNG CHILDREN out of class for a while during hunting season. It did the kids good to ditch school in order to shoot at animals, I'm sure. To me, it seems immoral to give a kid a gun, because they KNOW guns are used to kill animals. Teaching them that it's normal, right or, heaven forbid, FUN to murder does sound like neglect to me.

And it is murder. Maybe you call it "sport," but when someone intentionally kills another sentient being, that's really what it is. You can call me a troll, but you know I'm not the only person that thinks this way.

Maybe giving them a gun at a young age would help with gun safety in the future, which is good, but the negatives here far outweigh the positives.

[JANUS]

And it is murder. Maybe you call it "sport," but when someone intentionally kills another sentient being, that's really what it is. You can call me a troll

Animals are not sentient. If you argue that they are, then all carnivorous animals are murderers by your definition. The shark is a murderer, the frog is a murderer, the spider is a murderer, the blue whale who eats tons of krill is a murderer. Is this your argument?

No, I won't call you a troll. You're just being difficult.

[Random_Looney]

Hehe.

I realize that it is a BB gun. But the girl is only 6! In my opinion, that's much too young.

You said firearm. You don't know what you're talking about. You think that's too young? Good for you. Don't give your children BB guns. He's the father, knows the child, and has the legal responsibility.


My bad, I missed the sticky that stated we were only allowed to "flame" posters if the mods here agree with us. But some things here are different than totse, and I can be infracted for posting off-topic and such.
You miss a lot....

You had plenty of flame time in another thread, didn't respond to legitimate criticisms of your illogical, emotional, and incorrect arguments. That negates your right to flame based on the same wrong arguments because it's apparent to me you're just trying to get a rise from posters.

I let plenty of people disagree if they do so in a logical and generally polite manner. You had been polite, but you're intentionally ignoring the fact you're wrong, and it looked like you were trying to incense members here for your amusement.
And it is murder. Maybe you call it "sport," but when someone intentionally kills another sentient being, that's really what it is. You can call me a troll, but you know I'm not the only person that thinks this way.

No it is NOT. You might not be the only idiot who's just fucking wrong, but the LEGAL and ethical definition of "murder" does not entail hunting.

Your subjective moral definition no one cares about may be that hunting is murder, but that is irrelevant. You may call it "murder" but it is not murder legally or ethically. Get it through your head and educate yourself or don't post here.

[elf omg]

You said firearm. You don't know what you're talking about. You think that's too young? Good for you. Don't give your children BB guns. He's the father, knows the child, and has the legal responsibility.



You miss a lot....

You had plenty of flame time in another thread, didn't respond to legitimate criticisms of your illogical, emotional, and incorrect arguments. That negates your right to flame based on the same wrong arguments because it's apparent to me you're just trying to get a rise from posters.

I let plenty of people disagree if they do so in a logical and generally polite manner. You had been polite, but you're intentionally ignoring the fact you're wrong, and it looked like you were trying to incense members here for your amusement.


No it is NOT. You might not be the only idiot who's just fucking wrong, but the LEGAL and ethical definition of "murder" does not entail hunting.

Your subjective moral definition no one cares about may be that hunting is murder, but that is irrelevant. You may call it "murder" but it is not murder legally or ethically. Get it through your head and educate yourself or don't post here.

I don't miss a lot, I just cannot maintain an interest in anything for long these days (the other thread). Don't penalize me for that.

[Random_Looney]

I don't miss a lot, I just cannot maintain an interest in anything for long these days (the other thread). Don't penalize me for that.

Well, you sure missed where I said legal and ethical definition, making a point of distinguishing between moral irrelevancy and you tried to say i was incorrect, which is laughable. I corrected you in the other thread too. Hunting is not murder ethically or morally.

[elf omg]

Well, you sure missed where I said legal and ethical definition, making a point of distinguishing between moral irrelevancy and you tried to say i was incorrect, which is laughable. I corrected you in the other thread too. Hunting is not murder ethically or morally.

I read your entire post, don't worry.

I'm always gonna see hunting as murder, and I'm not gonna change your opinion either. It's really a social/societal problem with it being legal and accepted.

/shrug

[crazzyass]

Hehe.

I realize that it is a BB gun. But the girl is only 6! In my opinion, that's much too young.





My bad, I missed the sticky that stated we were only allowed to "flame" posters if the mods here agree with us. But some things here are different than totse, and I can be infracted for posting off-topic and such.













Okay. What was it that I said?



I guess I was insulting the way some people are raised, but it wasn't a specific person.

My opinion just doesn't match up with the mod's. I remember in gradeschool, living in hick country (this is where I've always lived), parents would take their YOUNG CHILDREN out of class for a while during hunting season. It did the kids good to ditch school in order to shoot at animals, I'm sure. To me, it seems immoral to give a kid a gun, because they KNOW guns are used to kill animals. Teaching them that it's normal, right or, heaven forbid, FUN to murder does sound like neglect to me.

And it is murder. Maybe you call it "sport," but when someone intentionally kills another sentient being, that's really what it is. You can call me a troll, but you know I'm not the only person that thinks this way.

Maybe giving them a gun at a young age would help with gun safety in the future, which is good, but the negatives here far outweigh the positives.

The negatives outweigh the positives? Like the girl hunting is definately a worse outcome than her blowing her head off by accident? God, you are a sick fuck.

Bows are also used to hunt. Should we keep those out of sight, too? Eh, don't answer that, I know where it's going.



Humans are predators by nature. Are you going to start arresting tigers?

Besides, if humans didn't hunt, the animal populations would rage out of control and we'd have animals dying of starvation and disease left and right. Which do you prefer?

[crazzyass]

I read your entire post, don't worry.

I'm always gonna see hunting as murder, and I'm not gonna change your opinion either. It's really a social/societal problem with it being legal and accepted.

/shrug

Why is it murder? If an animal kills an animal, you see that as okay, but why? A "sentient" being still died, and whether it is at the hands of a human predator or a tiger/lion predator, I fail to see the difference. If it is wrong for "sentient" creatures to die period, then we have to stop this epidemic of predator/prey relationships!

[blue_monday]

I'm always gonna see hunting as murder, and I'm not gonna change your opinion either. It's really a social/societal problem with it being legal and accepted.

If you have ever eaten meat or worn leather then you are a murderer by your definition.

There is nothing wrong with hunting, and there is something wrong with you thinking there is.

[Groundhog whacka]

Shit, I do hate it when RTBA threads hit the hot topics. If I really gave a shit what the general populous thought of it I would have posted it in generally speaking. If I had known there would be a shload of asshat posts I would have mead it a point to check here last night. But I thank the RTBA regulars for defending our cause and making the asshats look stupid again. I refrain from posting on subjects I know very little about, and I wish others would do the same. If you know fuckall about guns and shooting other than what so and so said, keep your nose out of it.

I am the only one with the combination to the safe so she won't be shooting without me. I really think she is mature enough to get started shooting some. If she proves to not be it will stay in the safe for another year or so. Hell, she might not even enjoy shooting. If she decides that she doesn't like it I am not going to force it on her but I do want to at least expose her to it.

To the regulars here thanks for the support. To the rest, fuck you.

Lava. I believe you hit the nail on the head. There are quite a few people out there who would be better off if they got their hides tanned more when they were a kid.

[The English Gentleman]

As long as you are supervising her the whole time and you are in the prone shooting at targets I think that a six year old is fine shooting a bolt action .22lr. The other important thing is alot of ear protection, you dont want a deaf kid, its a little bit embarrassing.

[elf omg]

While non-human animals ARE sentient, we have something they don't. For the sake of argument, let's say it has to do with us having different reasoning skills. We can point at the moon, Buddha-mind, and consider it. If you try to point out the moon to a cat, they will look at your finger.

Non-human animals killing one another is alright. Not because, "They don't know any better," but because they know differently.

Modern-day hunters seem to have this belief that it's alright to murder creatures who aren't as "smart" as they. "I'm going to kill you, as I am the hunter and you are the prey."

I question the wisdom of these people, for their lack of empathy. It's sport when you kill a deer, but a TRAGEDY (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lane_Frost) (clicky) when a man dies while riding a mistreated and abused bull for money.

What if another race of human-esque reasoning ability comes along, and turns YOU hunters into livestock? Would that be okay, if someone came into "your" world and made it theirs, killing you for convenience, making you suffer for a cruel form of entertainment and destroying all you have accomplished in life to build an unnatural highway?

Maybe they'd say, "They're only animals, look at them. They kill each other and weaker animals."

[Frank]

What if another race of human-esque reasoning ability comes along, and turns YOU hunters into livestock?

Man slaughter already exists...It sucks but that's the way the cookie crumbles.

[Random_Looney]

Aliens or whatever killing humans wouldn't be murder unless you argue that murder is sentient rational beings killing other sentient rational beings.

I know better than to say hunting is murder. You apparently don't. That means YOU don't know any better. Therefor your argument about people knowing better is wrong.

You can say killing animals is wrong morally. Go ahead.

Killing animals is NOT murder by any commonly-accepted definition of the word. Get over it.

[elf omg]

Aliens or whatever killing humans wouldn't be murder unless you argue that murder is sentient rational beings killing other sentient rational beings.

I know better than to say hunting is murder. You apparently don't. That means YOU don't know any better. Therefor your argument about people knowing better is wrong.

You can say killing animals is wrong morally. Go ahead.

Killing animals is NOT murder by any commonly-accepted definition of the word. Get over it.

I like how, instead of discussing the morality behind murdering other creatures, you're still stuck on the definition of a word.

[Frank]

I like how, instead of discussing the morality behind murdering other creatures, you're still stuck on the definition of a word.

Dude you jerk off to human misery.
http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?p=266514#post266514

And for some reason you want to discuss morals? HA!

Morals are not universal, some people hunt for sport, some people jerk off to rape fantasy, is your head shoved so far up your dead beat dad ass you can't understand this?

[AnalHerpes]

I like how, instead of discussing the morality behind murdering other creatures, you're still stuck on the definition of a word.

Do you believe eating meat is murder? Plenty of hunters eat what they hunt so all they're doing is cutting out the middle man. Furthermore, a lot of hunting is population control. In many areas natural predators are removed and as a result the deer or whatever population has exploded. Since we've modified the environment, we're trying to modify it again to restore the status quo.

Even if the entire world population converted to veganism (as in, eating organic), we'd still be driving countless species extinct. We are doing this via overexploitation of natural resources as well as excessive habitat modification/destruction which you are guilty of just like the rest of us. You are indirectly responsible for the killing of MANY animals so you shouldn't be snubbing your nose at other people for doing the same.

[Proots]

Hehe.

I realize that it is a BB gun. But the girl is only 6! In my opinion, that's much too young.





My bad, I missed the sticky that stated we were only allowed to "flame" posters if the mods here agree with us. But some things here are different than totse, and I can be infracted for posting off-topic and such.













Okay. What was it that I said?



I guess I was insulting the way some people are raised, but it wasn't a specific person.

My opinion just doesn't match up with the mod's. I remember in gradeschool, living in hick country (this is where I've always lived), parents would take their YOUNG CHILDREN out of class for a while during hunting season. It did the kids good to ditch school in order to shoot at animals, I'm sure. To me, it seems immoral to give a kid a gun, because they KNOW guns are used to kill animals. Teaching them that it's normal, right or, heaven forbid, FUN to murder does sound like neglect to me.

And it is murder. Maybe you call it "sport," but when someone intentionally kills another sentient being, that's really what it is. You can call me a troll, but you know I'm not the only person that thinks this way.

Maybe giving them a gun at a young age would help with gun safety in the future, which is good, but the negatives here far outweigh the positives.


Dude, you're fucked up.

Do you have ANY IDEA what would happen to all the deer and other creatures we hunt if all of a sudden WE WEREN'T ALLOWED TO HUNT THEM?

Like at all? Do you even know what you're talking about?

P.S. : Stuck a fork in a electrical outlet when you were a kid.....knowing FULL WELL what it would do? Christ, you're one stupid ass motherfucker.

[AnalHerpes]

Those are armament, not arms, and not protected by the Second Amendment.

If you have anything productive to say (or perhaps any intelligence to display as you obviously don't know what was pictured) feel free to come back and redeem yourself.

Actually, I believe RPGs and hand grenades would be protected by the Second Amendment considering that there was personally owned artillery at the time. I think that their definition of arms is anything used for protection of self and those around you. By today's standards that would go up to maybe recoilless rifles or somewhere around there, but that's wishful thinking. ;)

But for the original argument. Using the same logic "that you might as well buy him RPGs and enlist her in the army", sending a kid to driver's ed would be like buying him a Porsche and signing him up for the Indy 500 and sex ed would be telling him to aspire to John C Holmes.

Children are not nearly as helpless as people think they are. The only reason they are like that is because you treat them like that.

[elf omg]

Do you believe eating meat is murder? Plenty of hunters eat what they hunt so all they're doing is cutting out the middle man. Furthermore, a lot of hunting is population control. In many areas natural predators are removed and as a result the deer or whatever population has exploded. Since we've modified the environment, we're trying to modify it again to restore the status quo.

Even if the entire world population converted to veganism (as in, eating organic), we'd still be driving countless species extinct. We are doing this via overexploitation of natural resources as well as excessive habitat modification/destruction which you are guilty of just like the rest of us. You are indirectly responsible for the killing of MANY animals so you shouldn't be snubbing your nose at other people for doing the same.

I don't eat meat. I also don't think eating a human corpse would be murder (unless you killed the person). It doesn't make it right, especially if you're giving "business" to the murderers, as most do.

It's about limiting the suffering, as of yet there is no way to eliminate it entirely.

Dude, you're fucked up.

Do you have ANY IDEA what would happen to all the deer and other creatures we hunt if all of a sudden WE WEREN'T ALLOWED TO HUNT THEM?

Like at all? Do you even know what you're talking about?

P.S. : Stuck a fork in a electrical outlet when you were a kid.....knowing FULL WELL what it would do? Christ, you're one stupid ass motherfucker.

One human mistake to correct a previous one. If we were willing to spend the cash, we could find a more ethical solution.

[Proots]

I don't eat meat. I also don't think eating a human corpse would be murder (unless you killed the person). It doesn't make it right, especially if you're giving "business" to the murderers, as most do.

It's about limiting the suffering, as of yet there is no way to eliminate it entirely.



One human mistake to correct a previous one. If we were willing to spend the cash, we could find a more ethical solution.

Um....and what would that solution be?:confused:

[elf omg]

Um....and what would that solution be?:confused:

I dunno, but I bet if we offered a group of people a large sum of money they'd figure something out. Shooting them for "their own good," sounds so barbaric.

[Proots]

I dunno, but I bet if we offered a group of people a large sum of money they'd figure something out. Shooting them for "their own good," sounds so barbaric.

:facepalm:

I'm sorry it sounds so "barbaric". I must be such an uncultured neanderthal for wanting to shoot and eat an animal, rather than let it starve to death, rot and in turn, be eaten by crows/other scavengers.

Oh - and let's not forget, since I SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO HUNT THEM how many of them there would be. And since....there's an overpopulation of deer...........that would make DEER RELATED CAR ACCIDENTS ALL THE MORE LIKELY!

For someone who thinks it's so barbaric, you sure don't seem to have a better idea of what to do.

Kinda silly, don't you think?

[elf omg]

:facepalm:

I'm sorry it sounds so "barbaric". I must be such an uncultured neanderthal for wanting to shoot and eat an animal, rather than let it starve to death, rot and in turn, be eaten by crows/other scavengers.

Oh - and let's not forget, since I SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO HUNT THEM how many of them there would be. And since....there's an overpopulation of deer...........that would make DEER RELATED CAR ACCIDENTS ALL THE MORE LIKELY!

For someone who thinks it's so barbaric, you sure don't seem to have a better idea of what to do.

Kinda silly, don't you think?

There's a massive overpopulation problem with the human race, too. Should we hunt them, for the greater good? No, I don't think so. Do we know how to fix that situation? No.

[crazzyass]

Zok, you still haven't really addressed my posts. If animals being killed is such a horrific thing, then we should illegalize it, regardless of species. Don't discriminate!

If tigers kill an animal, they should be arrested or made to stop killing. Duh.

[crazzyass]

There's a massive overpopulation problem with the human race, too. Should we hunt them, for the greater good? No, I don't think so. Do we know how to fix that situation? No.

What massive overpopulation problem? In America people still only take up 4% of all land.

In some countries it is bad, but there is a leveling off point coming up soon. Animals have a leveling off point as well, but its called starving to death.

[elf omg]

Zok, you still haven't really addressed my posts. If animals being killed is such a horrific thing, then we should illegalize it, regardless of species. Don't discriminate!

If tigers kill an animal, they should be arrested or made to stop killing. Duh.

It's 'Zek.

Some things should be left alone. The problem from the start was human intervention. Humanity just takes things WAY too far.

[Proots]

There's a massive overpopulation problem with the human race, too. Should we hunt them, for the greater good? No, I don't think so. Do we know how to fix that situation? No.

Please, answer my question.

[elf omg]

Why is it murder? If an animal kills an animal, you see that as okay, but why? A "sentient" being still died, and whether it is at the hands of a human predator or a tiger/lion predator, I fail to see the difference. If it is wrong for "sentient" creatures to die period, then we have to stop this epidemic of predator/prey relationships!

It's okay for sentient creatures to die. Everyone dies.

The thing is, humans do it needlessly and recklessly. The other animals have shown to be more responsible, and less wasteful.

[AnalHerpes]

I don't eat meat. I also don't think eating a human corpse would be murder (unless you killed the person). It doesn't make it right, especially if you're giving "business" to the murderers, as most do.

It's about limiting the suffering, as of yet there is no way to eliminate it entirely.



One human mistake to correct a previous one. If we were willing to spend the cash, we could find a more ethical solution.

You didn't really answer any of my questions. And you probably could do a lot more to limit the suffering of animals but it's not really convenient.

Don't get me wrong, I never said that I am against vegetarianism or doing whatever you can that is practical to preserve. I am saying that condemning others for doing something you do to a lesser extent still makes you a tosser.

[AnalHerpes]

There's a massive overpopulation problem with the human race, too. Should we hunt them, for the greater good? No, I don't think so. Do we know how to fix that situation? No.

The fix to that problem will be when mother nature decides to wipe out humanity along with most other life on this planet then start anew. Everything will eventually be fixed given enough time.

[blue_monday]

I like how, instead of discussing the morality behind murdering other creatures, you're still stuck on the definition of a word.

It is morally ok to kill animals, sentient or not. If you wanna talk about the killing of animals go to flora and fauna, GS or the religion section. This isn't the place to discuss morality.


Modern-day hunters seem to have this belief that it's alright to murder creatures who aren't as "smart" as they. "I'm going to kill you, as I am the hunter and you are the prey."
That is not the mentality of anyone i've met who hunts. Me personally, I really just hunt for the meat.

I question the wisdom of these people, for their lack of empathy. It's sport when you kill a deer, but a TRAGEDY (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lane_Frost) (clicky) when a man dies while riding a mistreated and abused bull for money.
How do you know what a hunters mindset is like about killing at all? I'm still sticking to my guns about eating meat and wearing leather, if you've ever done either you're a hypocrite. The only thing hunting does is cut out the store.

What if another race of human-esque reasoning ability comes along, and turns YOU hunters into livestock? Would that be okay, if someone came into "your" world and made it theirs, killing you for convenience, making you suffer for a cruel form of entertainment and destroying all you have accomplished in life to build an unnatural highway?


So now you don't want highways or any construction projects? I'm an environmentalist, but your just being cranky.
Now i gotta ask, are the hormones just getting you to cranky today?

This thread is off topic, and has ventured beyond the scope of that which should be covered in RTBA.

[Random_Looney]

I like how, instead of discussing the morality behind murdering other creatures, you're still stuck on the definition of a word.

I like how even though you agree you were wrong and I'm right, you keep using words incorrectly.

You want to discuss morality of hunting? I think it's morally neutral. You think it's morally reprehensible. What else is there to discuss?

[Random_Looney]

The other animals have shown to be more responsible, and less wasteful.

You're making a sweeping generalization. Just because most people don't seem to make ample use of an animal carcass doesn't mean all people who kill are guilty of your incorrect definition of murder. "Murder" you're complicit in if you use any animal products such as leather, eat meat, etc.

How do you think scavengers live in the animal kingdom? Apex predators don't utilize their prey efficiently, according to your logic. No animal truly does.

[The Savage]

BOOM HEADSHOT!

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu137/The_Savage762/100_1346.jpg

[Random_Looney]

One human mistake to correct a previous one. If we were willing to spend the cash, we could find a more ethical solution.

Um, no... we couldn't. Hunting is ethical. Yet again, you seem to miss the distinction between morality and ethics.

[1983]

I say we just ignore Zek or any other idiot that derails topics and causes a bunch of blatant shit. That's what we got bitch and moan for and bad ideas.

If he or anyone else does the same report them and get them banned or just ignore them until they inevitably post something stupid that will end with a ban on their part.

It's like talking over a misbehaving child to someone else... They don't have anything good to say or refuse to listen then there's no point... They'll lash out and get reprimanded.

Either way Groundhog whacka I hope your daughter has some fun with her little pea shooter and I hope some day we get to see some pics of you and her having some good old father daughter times out on the range.

Let us know when she gets her first .22 too. :p
Al

[blue_monday]

BOOM HEADSHOT!

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu137/The_Savage762/100_1346.jpg

http://www.burtonenterprises.com/hunting/hunting.jpg
http://www.louisianasportsman.info/Louisiana_Pheasant_Hunting/LOUISIANA_PHEASANT_HUNTING_LOUISIANA_HUNTING02.jpg
http://www.wildlifedepartment.com/photogallery/hunting%20006.jpg
http://www.skwierzyna.net/hunting_boar.jpg
http://neatorama.cachefly.net/images/2007-10/hunting-shark-with-kayak.jpg
http://www.discoversouthcarolina.com/files/gallery/lg/fishing_girl_lg.jpg
Maybe this will scare zek off

[1983]

http://neatorama.cachefly.net/images/2007-10/hunting-shark-with-kayak.jpg


I'm sorry but you'd have to have a dick as big as that kayak to pull a fucking shark out of the water like that in that situation.

(sorry for derailing the thread)
Al

[Groundhog whacka]

BOOM HEADSHOT!

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu137/The_Savage762/100_1346.jpg

:headbang: That was so out of the blue I laughed my ass off!! :headbang:
Since we are at it
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/Groundhogwhacka/4-20-06h1p3.jpg
BOOM, HEADSHOT!
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/Groundhogwhacka/5-27-04p2.jpg
BOOM, HEADSHOT!
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/Groundhogwhacka/5-27-04.jpg
BOOM, HEADSHOT!
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/Groundhogwhacka/5-27-04p3.jpg
BOOM, HEADSHOT!
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/Groundhogwhacka/4-10-031.jpg
Damn I didn't realize I had that many headshot pics on photobucket
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/Groundhogwhacka/5-15-04p3.jpg
And the hits just keep on coming! BOOM, headless shot!
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/Groundhogwhacka/2004hog40-2.jpg
OOF, GUTSHOT!
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/Groundhogwhacka/DSCF0007lightened.jpg
One more for the road
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/Groundhogwhacka/2006double.jpg
My first double, and BOOM, HEADSHOT!
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/Groundhogwhacka/sabretooth1.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/Groundhogwhacka/sabretoothedwodchuck.jpg
Sabretooth woodchuck.

But to the off topic topic. I get tired of hunters automatically defending their actions. Why the fuck should we have to defend ourselves. We are carnivores and evolved from hunters. I say I HUNT AND I DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT IT SO SHUT YOUR MAMBI PAMBI COCKSUCKER!

[The Savage]

hahaha if thats an eyeball i spy.....

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/Groundhogwhacka/4-10-031.jpg
I vote for it to be made the official RTBA :eek: smiley.

[Struwwelpeter]

Crazy ass why would someone be considered sick if they would rather see someone blow their heads off rather than shoot an animal?

[Craigslist.org]

Get her a ruger 10/22 then and get the Krinker Plinker mod for it.
http://www.krinkerplinker.com
I dont know about the laws over there but in Canada we can have high capacity .22 rifle magazines. If your allowed then add a twin drum magazine.

She'll look fine with you and your ar with this thing. :cool:

10/22 ruger
http://www.keepshooting.com/productimages/firearms/rifles/ruger10_22carbinebig.jpg

to this.
http://www.krinkerplinker.com/pics/db/gallery/large/000017.JPG

lCMm0pn0rw4:D

[Groundhog whacka]

hahaha if thats an eyeball i spy.....

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/Groundhogwhacka/4-10-031.jpg
I vote for it to be made the official RTBA :eek: smiley.

I knew I had a better one but I hadn't loaded it on photobucket yet. My friend calls this double blueberries.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/Groundhogwhacka/ChuckNumber212of02.jpg

POT, why would I bastardize a perfectly good 10/22 that way. I like 10/22's just the way they are, an excellent plinker and foundation for a tack driver buildup.
Plus I have a 22LR AR sitting in the safe now too.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/Groundhogwhacka/0105091210.jpg

[ilovechronic]

When I was 6, I stuck a fork in an electrical outlet and was electrocuted. I was aware that it was dangerous, and would probably hurt me.

You don't give little kids weapons.
I guess you were slow and still are. You dont give the kid a weapon and let them go run off and learn their lesson if something goes wrong. You teach the kid to shoot. You go take them with you and supervise them. You teach them proper safe technique.

Okay, the willful ignorance expressed here repeatedly along with your admission of sticking conductors into electrical sockets makes me question your intelligence.
. Yeah I couldnt help but lol at that one.

While non-human animals ARE sentient, we have something they don't. For the sake of argument, let's say it has to do with us having different reasoning skills. We can point at the moon, Buddha-mind, and consider it. If you try to point out the moon to a cat, they will look at your finger.

Non-human animals killing one another is alright. Not because, "They don't know any better," but because they know differently.

Modern-day hunters seem to have this belief that it's alright to murder creatures who aren't as "smart" as they. "I'm going to kill you, as I am the hunter and you are the prey."

I question the wisdom of these people, for their lack of empathy. It's sport when you kill a deer, but a TRAGEDY (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lane_Frost) (clicky) when a man dies while riding a mistreated and abused bull for money.

What if another race of human-esque reasoning ability comes along, and turns YOU hunters into livestock? Would that be okay, if someone came into "your" world and made it theirs, killing you for convenience, making you suffer for a cruel form of entertainment and destroying all you have accomplished in life to build an unnatural highway?

Maybe they'd say, "They're only animals, look at them. They kill each other and weaker animals."

Ok first of all there is so many things wrong with what you are saying. We do not "hunt livestock" please look up domestication.

Do you honsetly think that humans are seperate from all other animals. We have many similaritys in anatomy,Physiology,psychology,biological functions. Humans may have more advanced cognition than animals does not mean we are not animals. there are animals that are vary similar and happen to be in the same family called the primates. Humans which are the homo sapiens are a member of a species of bipedal primates in the family Hominidae.
For example chimpanzees. Do you think chimps are leaf eating,peacful, non meat eating animals? no they are very violent they eat meat, and they even ENGAGE in WAR LIKE violence over their territories. They bruttally beat kill chimpanzees from other territories and even employ blunt objects as weapons(hmm sounds familiar?)
http://books.google.com/books?id=weoc7eW9kCIC&dq=humans+and+hunting+and+meat+eating&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=qKohbP3NW2&sig=uxsBG5enqYTcTY4XU-5x9Go--jI&hl=en&ei=tenFSfPtEqrlnQemgYnbDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=5&ct=result#PPA5,M1

Humans have always been this way and they HAVE ALWAY EATEN MEAT in their diets. EDIT:it is possible our early ancestors did not eat meat but for millions of year meat has been apart of the humans diet. You are the one here who s being unatural here.Your disagreement with the practice of livestock only backs up the point of hunting game for food and it is what we have alway done. Fathers traditionally teach their male children to hunt.this tradtion is replicated throughout the species. It is possible that their were small groups the only had herbavore diets because of there location or enviorment but it is unlikely.
Tribes today that are still cut off from the modern and western world still hunt game as a primary source of food and they teach their children to do the same. Like I said this is replicated throughout the human species. It is what we have always done.

I understand that livestock is unnatural and for example the use of cows milk is a relatively new thing for humans as a species. But live stock has to be used in our overpopulated world to be able to feed everyone and there is still plenty of starvation.
The farming of produce and fruits has an effect on the enviorment also. That is what alot of the rainforest has been lost to.

So if you want to try and be different because it is so cool to you and you want to chew on grass for the rest of your life that is fine with us meat eaters. OH WAIT IF YOU EAT VEGGIES INSTEAD OF MEAT YOU HaVE TO KILL A LIVING THiNG. Where do you draw the line? a vegetable is still alive. You still have to kill it. We dont want to here you push your bullshit on us though. You try to be all openminded and different.

Have fun with you with your deficiencies!

Animals may be killed because they are eating the farmer crops most farmer will kill varmin they see. There is farms out side of the city here and I have seen the a guy driving around his crops and he stopped and talked to us and he had his sscoped .22. It is about money, if they kill the varmin they have less crop damage. Animals die off because of the land that is destroyed and made in to flat crops.

Murder is something made up by humans and is when a human kills another human, a human harvesting game(animals) is not murder it is simply what we have done since we begun.


I read your entire post, don't worry.

I'm always gonna see hunting as murder, and I'm not gonna change your opinion either. It's really a social/societal problem with it being legal and accepted.

/shrug

Lol. hunting is not a societal problem. hunting is basic HUMAN NATURE, almost a human right. We are a part of the food chain.
You are so ignorant it is beyond me.
There's a massive overpopulation problem with the human race, too. Should we hunt them, for the greater good? No, I don't think so. Do we know how to fix that situation? No.. Population control would be immoral and there is alot of opposing viewspoints an oppinions. When the planet has had enough we will go extinct and the planet will heal with time. pWe are naturally selfish creatures. We do things for our benefit. If predatores are attack our livestock we kill them. If animals eat our CROPS we kill them.

It's 'Zek.

Some things should be left alone. The problem from the start was human intervention. Humanity just takes things WAY too far.

here you are trying to exclude yourself. you also take things way too far.


The other animals have shown to be more responsible, and less wasteful.now the consumption and energy issues that humans have is a societal problem. but that has nothing to do with hunting. At least hunting for food. Most try to use as much of the animal as possible and some tribes and cultures make use of every part of the animal. there is such thin g as overhunting but that could be bacause of things like greed like hunting for profit. hunting for the most part is not wastful and is like others have said neutral.

[crazzyass]

It's okay for sentient creatures to die. Everyone dies.

The thing is, humans do it needlessly and recklessly. The other animals have shown to be more responsible, and less wasteful.

My apolgies for referring to you as Zok in the other post.


I disagree. The government makes very strict laws about game limits that they enforce to the best of their ability. Hunters are a way for us to keep our ecosystem up and running. The game limits, which are adjusted each season depending on the population and reproduction rate of the animals in question, are designed to very specifically keep the animals in a good range.


I would say that hunting is far more responsible than it is irresponsilbe.


If you don't want to hunt, that's cool. I don't either, it's just not my thing. However, I know that the consequences would be disastorous if it was made illegal. When game limits aren't met, disease spreads, overpopulation occurs, and a lot of animals suffer needlessly. Not to mention all the hunting liscenses and fees pay for all the conservation work the government does.

[crazzyass]

Crazy ass why would someone be considered sick if they would rather see someone blow their heads off rather than shoot an animal?

I didn't specify "see". (at least I don't think so)

Zek said that early education would likely result in her being safer and not hurting herself, but that it would also increase the chances of her being a hunter.


So the negatives outweigh the positives, in her opinion.


I merely pointed out how her feeling that animal life actually supercedes human life in importance is unusual and a little sick, especially if she'd actively prefer that this guy's little girl accidentally kill herself instead of hunt.

[blue_monday]

guys, i think zek left. We can let this thread die.

[Groundhog whacka]

Well I did double duty today working on future shooters. I was going to do some reloading but my daughter asked if we could shoot since it was nice. So I set her up a little shooting range on the deck. After a review of the safety rules I took a few shot to sight it in. This thing shoots horrible(the best I could muster was about a 6" group at 15yds), but what do I expect for $30. It took her some getting used to, but she never missed a 16"x16" target at 15yds. After she shot the target up some I hauled out some pop cans and let her shoot some holes in them. The gun really doesn't shoot minute of pop can at 15yds but she had a good time anyway. I only had to bawl her out once for fondling the gun when I was down range.

In the middle of our shooting session I noticed the neighbor boy was out shooting his pellet gun too. He was shooting in the dirt but somewhat in our direction so I went over to talk to him. After I gently gave him hell I told him the next time he heard or saw me out shooting the rifles he was invited to come over and shoot if it was all right with his parents. You should have seen the look on his face, he was totally jacked about it.

My daughter shot the hell out of the cans for a while and was really disappointed when we had to quit shooting. I was pretty excited how quickly she took to it. She was really getting the hang of it. I think I need to look into something that actually shoots well now.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/Groundhogwhacka/P3220037.jpg

[ilovechronic]

Well I did double duty today working on future shooters. I was going to do some reloading but my daughter asked if we could shoot since it was nice. So I set her up a little shooting range on the deck. After a review of the safety rules I took a few shot to sight it in. This thing shoots horrible(the best I could muster was about a 6" group at 15yds), but what do I expect for $30. It took her some getting used to, but she never missed a 16"x16" target at 15yds. After she shot the target up some I hauled out some pop cans and let her shoot some holes in them. The gun really doesn't shoot minute of pop can at 15yds but she had a good time anyway. I only had to bawl her out once for fondling the gun when I was down range.

In the middle of our shooting session I noticed the neighbor boy was out shooting his pellet gun too. He was shooting in the dirt but somewhat in our direction so I went over to talk to him. After I gently gave him hell I told him the next time he heard or saw me out shooting the rifles he was invited to come over and shoot if it was all right with his parents. You should have seen the look on his face, he was totally jacked about it.

My daughter shot the hell out of the cans for a while and was really disappointed when we had to quit shooting. I was pretty excited how quickly she took to it. She was really getting the hang of it. I think I need to look into something that actually shoots well now.
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after she gets a little more into it you could get her a decent break action pellet gun that is a lot more powerful and accurate. i woud say let her get used to the safety side of things first. And make sure she is actually going to stick with it before you spend a little more money on one. You can get decent "break -barrel" ones or what ever they are called for like 70-200$. I have seen up to 1000 fps. I dont think she needs anything that powerful.

The other option could be a C02 one that is semiauto i bet she would enjoy that.

that is great that you are really jamming in the safety at a young age it will prepare her fo rfirearms. Did you say she shoots your guns also?
It really demonstrates that you are a very responsible gun owner.

[.it]

you got her the daisy red ryder...

i got the daisy 880 recently, its not to accurate either, but it seems to have enough power to kill a squirrel so a ground hog shouldnt be too bad. it was about 50 bucks, so maybe switch them off. the red ryder should and probably will last her over 10 years, it could just be a fun gun to shoot stuff with.

[The Savage]

Awesome man :thumbsup: .

[1983]

Not sure if I buggered trying to post this last time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGRKYcsTImo

Enjoy :D

Al

[Iolite]

There's a massive overpopulation problem with the human race, too. Should we hunt them, for the greater good? No, I don't think so. Do we know how to fix that situation? No.

Do you not understand what blind fanaticism is? Almost all of your posts REEK of it.
Yeah, it takes more forms than nationalism, racism and religion.
You have no clue that no one is taking you seriously because what you are saying is so outlandishly stupid and wrong----And no, it isn't a case of you having better moral integrity than us, not a case of you knowing something we don't know (I used to hold this belief, but I stopped being a fucking idiot...in short), not a case of a man standing on a silent platform looking down on all the people that are wrong, it's just that you are SUCH an idiot that no one is going to bother to type up a reasonable, understandable response that penetrates at home.
We'd all rather you run around for the rest of your life, with these both imposed and chosen beliefs (beliefs that are just wrong, this is only a subjective issue to idiots. And that's the flat out truth) until you die, which is the time you will have full realization of who you actually were.