Natural Toxins, Poisons

[1983]

I'll be posting this in both Right to Bear Arms and in Flora and Fauna for a more brod range of ideals and knowledge and quick linking them together.

For right to bear arms I'd like to find out the practical use in military and guerrilla warfare both what you know about anything, from what you can process from plant matter, fungi, animals.

For Flora and Fauna if you know anything about toxic or poisonous plants or fungi if it's even just a name and how commercially or locally available it is or found in the wild around the world.

I will post things that I do know and eventually expand as I re-read some of my stored PDF files on the subject and expand my first post as to not create multiple posts.

As it stands I'd like to keep this as professional as possible as I hope it stays as a reference guide.

Some of it will also be short formed but I'll track down or upload references, PDFs, Ect later on.

Ricin
Seeds found at Home Depot for $1.79 a package of 13.
http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt325/Taipan526/cap_007.jpghttp://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt325/Taipan526/cap_008.jpg

Precatory Beans
Source: The Poisoners Handbook
The phytotoxin abrin from precatory beans, also known as jequirty beans, is very similar to ricin.
http://www.drugs.com/npp/precatory-bean.html
http://image36.webshots.com/36/3/7/55/2746307550052954010EOfyXl_ph.jpg

Water Hemlock
http://www.agf.gov.bc.ca/cropprot/weedguid/waterhmlk.htm
http://www.methowconservancy.org/images/water_hemlock.jpg

Tung-Oil Tree
http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/0/1/8/0/5/5/webimg/94883904_o.jpg

Yellow Orleander
http://qjmed.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/92/9/483
http://www.floridata.com/wallpaper/jpg/Nerium_oleander800yellow.jpg


The Alkaloids
The following Plants are the most Commonly Available sources of lethal alkaloids.

Tobacco
http://www.parmaq.com/truecrime/Tobacco.htm
http://www.ndcinfrared.com/ndc/images/tobacco%20crop%20small.jpg

Yew
http://museum.gov.ns.ca/poison/default.asp?id=122&section=species
http://gallery.hd.org/_exhibits/leaves/_more2006/_more11/Yew-aka-Taxus-tree-and-bright-red-berries-in-November-in-Kingston-London-England-closeup-10-DHD.jpg

Monkshood
http://library.thinkquest.org/C007974/1_1com.htm
http://www.juneauphotos.net/images/alaska-monkshood.jpg

Zigadenus
http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/consumer/poison/Zigadsp.htm
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Zigadenus.jpeg
Potato Sprouts
Woods Hemlock
Autumn Crocus - Introduced from Europe.


Mushrooms
Death Cap (Amanita Phallcides)
Destroying Angel (Amanita Virosa)
Fool's Mushroom (Amanita verna)
Galerina Autumnalis
Venenata
Cortinarius Orellanus


Not So Poisonous Plants
Poinsettia
Holly
Wisteria
Rhubarb Leaves
Christmas Rose
Lilly-Of-The-Valley
Lupine
Mistletoe (More dangerous)
Fly Agric

Al

http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?p=266362#post266362

(Taking a break... will get the rest in a bit)

[SHARP]

We don't deal in poisoning each other in this forum, perhaps you'd have a bit more luck in Bad Ideas, but I can certainly guarantee you, that the users of this forum knows better than the users over at BI...

Another way to put it would be like "No, I'm not going to help you compile a list of poisons that can be manufactured or obtained from plants or animals, even though there's quite a lot".

And by the way, from quickly skimming your list, I spotted at least three errors...

EDIT: This doesn't even belong here, why should I let it stay?
Seriously, just give me a good reason and I might consider not deleting it!

[negz]

Submit this to totsepedia :thumbsup:

[1983]

Either way some poisonous and injurious plants can be useful like the Mayapple (Podophyllum peltatum) the fruit from it can be used to make a marmalade and some other plants such as wolfs bane are being tested for probably use in cancer medications.

Others can be beautiful but deadly.

Some people have them in their yard without knowing what they are and it could be a reference in case they have kids or pets while others may use it as a toxic agent.

Either way I'll revise what I originally posted and after I do so if you still want it remove I'll delete my post.

I also have a book
Handbook of Poisonous and Injurious Plants 2nd ed - L. Nelson, et al., (Springer, 2007)
That's very informative but I haven't gotten around to reading it yet but so far from what I seen it looks good.

Al

[SHARP]

Either way some poisonous and injurious plants can be useful like the Mayapple (Podophyllum peltatum) the fruit from it can be used to make a marmalade and some other plants such as wolfs bane are being tested for probably use in cancer medications.

Others can be beautiful but deadly.

Some people have them in their yard without knowing what they are and it could be a reference in case they have kids or pets while others may use it as a toxic agent.

Either way I'll revise what I originally posted and after I do so if you still want it remove I'll delete my post.

I also have a book
Handbook of Poisonous and Injurious Plants 2nd ed - L. Nelson, et al., (Springer, 2007)
That's very informative but I haven't gotten around to reading it yet but so far from what I seen it looks good.

Al

Well, let's just say the thread would be a hell of a lot more suitable for this forum, if the purpose of the OP wasn't to get a list more or less obtainable poisonous substances that'd be effective in subduing humans...

See where I'm going with this?

To tell you the truth, I don't think you should expect a tsunami of F&F regulars to come pouring in and help you out as it's quite obvious what you want...

[1983]

Never expected to but I'm still going to post what I find for either their knowledge or their health.

As for me I don't intend on killing anyone although I may synthesize a small quantity of poisons just to see if it can be done.

Either way the more knowledge I have the better. For me and anyone that may want to learn about any of what I retained over the years... A bit of a survivalist too so this would also help in the "what not to eat" category.

Al

[SHARP]

Never expected to but I'm still going to post what I find for either their knowledge or their health.

Great, now we're on the same page.
An by the way, nice info after the edit!

As for me I don't intend on killing anyone although I may synthesize a small quantity of poisons just to see if it can be done.

Go right ahead, who am I to judge? the thing is that your original post seemed to be aimed at a topic that isn't exactly suitable for the forum as the regulars here are more interested in learning something about how plant and animal life interacts, what to feed your pets and what to look out for in regards to symptoms of illnesses, as well as tips and advice about the animals and plants they keep as a hobby.
Not how to extract or synthesis harmful chemicals found in nature, that has one or more capabilities to be used in a hit.
Don't get me wrong, from a survivalist perspective I find it very valuable to read info on poisonous plants, what to avoid, how to break down the poisonous compounds and make the plant or animal edible, but the way you presented it originally didn't exactly give the impression that's what you were after...;)

Either way the more knowledge I have the better. For me and anyone that may want to learn about any of what I retained over the years... A bit of a survivalist too so this would also help in the "what not to eat" category.

Bingo!

[1983]

Either way sorry about my first post I was meaning to come back and fix it up all the same but people are lazy and to some extent so am I xD I will finish my first post though as soon as my computer starts cooperating...

(Backup and in bad shape...)

Al

[FoolishImp]

Angel Trumpet flowers/Datura grows very easily and is very toxic. My mom has grown them for years without knowledge of what they are.

It makes the victim go crazy and blind, if the dose is not lethal.

[Mr.Happy]

Plants from the family Solanaceae are exceptionally deadly. They contain tropane alkaloids, which are deadly even at fairly low doses. FoolishImp mentioned Datura, but there are some other common examples, namely belladonna (deadly nightshade), henbane (stinking nightshade) and mandrake. Wolfsbane/monkshood is also fairly toxic.

The only reason I know about this is that I once researched Medieval 'flying ointment', which was a balm supposedly created by witches that, when applied to the skin, was said to allow them to fly and bestowed upon them other magical powers. Turns out it was actually a powerful concoction of hallucinogenic and deliriant compounds contained within solanaceous plants. At low doses, tropane alkaloids don't kill you, but fuck you up for as long as a couple of days in an intensely dissociative and delirious hallucinogenic trip. That would doubtless explain why some people believed that these ointments gave you strange abilities and powers of perception. Poisoning from solanaceous plants doesn't necessarily cause you to go blind or crazy, but the nature of the trip can cause psychological damage in some individuals. There are some who deliberately take datura for the high, but generally only once. It's not a recreational substance, really.

Some of the other plants you named also contain compounds which are hallucinogenic at low doses, such as the fly agaric mushroom. The active compound is muscimol, and it was extensively used in an enthegenic context by Siberian cultures. Something I'd put in a modern-day flying ointment, if I were ever to create one (I did draw up a full recipe and preparation technique, but most of the plants don't grow around here).

By the way, the term "destroying angels" actually refers to several different - but closely related - Amanita mushrooms.

[Slave of the Beast]

You sound like a naughty boy, OP, which is why I'm going to point you towards some naughty plants. (http://botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/poison.html) Although it seems you have a fair list already.

Also, depending on your chemistry skills and after some of your own research, you might want to go into F&B and ask about synthesizing something horrendous like the neurotoxin dimethyl mercury. If somebody dropped a sealed ampoule of that on the floor and it broke, I'd run like a black man who just escaped out the back of a police van. Actually... you might want to give that idea a pass.

But you may also like to make enquiries about possibly increasing the contact toxicity of these plant poisons by mixing them with DMSO.

Wolfsbane/monkshood is also fairly toxic.

Plants of the genus Aconitum contain high levels of aconitine and are consequently extremely toxic.

[Space Monkey]

I think it's all about theoretical knowledge, it doesn't seem like OP is asking instructions on how to kill somebody but rather he seems only interested in compiling a list of poisonous substances and ways to obtain them.

[SHARP]

I think it's all about theoretical knowledge, it doesn't seem like OP is asking instructions on how to kill somebody but rather he seems only interested in compiling a list of poisonous substances and ways to obtain them.

From post #7:

nice info after the edit!