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1983
03-19-2009, 08:07 PM
I'll be posting this in both Right to Bear Arms and in Flora and Fauna for a more brod range of ideals and knowledge and quick linking them together.

For right to bear arms I'd like to find out the practical use in military and guerrilla warfare both what you know about anything, from what you can process from plant matter, fungi, animals.

For Flora and Fauna if you know anything about toxic or poisonous plants or fungi if it's even just a name and how commercially or locally available it is or found in the wild around the world.

I will post things that I do know and eventually expand as I re-read some of my stored PDF files on the subject and expand my first post as to not create multiple posts.

As it stands I'd like to keep this as professional as possible as I hope it stays as a reference guide.

Some of it will also be short formed but I'll track down or upload references, PDFs, Ect later on.

Any and all materials posted have not yet been tested or preformed so use at your own risk.


Ricin
Seeds found at Home Depot for $1.79 a package of 13.
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Source: Mujahideen_Poisons

Name: Poison from Castor Nuts or Ricin
Appearance: White powder
Lethal Dose: 0.035 gm
Time to Death: Orally-a few minutes. By injection- several hours.
2.3.2 Preparation and precautions:
1. Take the skin off several castor nuts and weigh the white part of the nuts.
2. Grind the nuts and add 4xtheir weight of acetone.
3. Leave the mixture in a plastic container for three days.
4. Filter the mixture.The residue, once it is dried, is Ricin in powder form.
NOTE: WEAR MEDICAL GLOVES THROUGHOUT THE PROCEDURE. If the mixture is left in the acetone for another three days then the whole of it will be Ricin in liquid form.
2.3.3 Results of tests
1. 1ml of the acetone solution was given orally to a rabbit. It experienced an immediate problem in breathing. Mucus came from its mouth. It died after four hours.
2. 2ml of the acetone solution was give to a rabbit orally. It died in 2 minutes.
2.3.4 Notes
The acetone solution is convenient to administer, especially in alcohol. The powder form may be difficult to dissolve but can be used inside food since it is not of strong taste.


Betaluminum Poison
Source: Mujahideen_Poisons
Name: Betaluminum Poison
Appearance: Sticky coffee coloured liquid.
Lethal Dose: 0.000028 gm
Time to Death: 12-36 hours
Effect will start after 12 hours. It will stop the breathing. Victim will die between 24-36 hours.
2.4.1 Preparation and Precautions
1. Fill a jam jar to just over the half-way mark with powdered maize or corn flour.
2. Place 2 spatulas of meat or fish into the jar.
3. On this place 1.5 to 2 spatulas of fresh horse dropping (N.B. cow dropping can be used if horse is not available).
4. Fill up the jar with water and let the water soak through the maize to the bottom, then put more water until the jar is COMPLETELY FULL (very important that no air-space is left in the jar). Close the jar tightly.

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Figure 3: Meat (before)
5. Leave the jar in a dark warm (25-35oC) place for ten days. Leave it in hay, as hay stays at approximately this temperature.
6. After ten days, if the preparation has been successful, the lid will be bent from the pressure inside.

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Figure 4: Meat (after)
7. AT THIS STAGE MEDICAL GLOVES, A GAS MASK, A HEAD COVER AND A
FULL BODY COVER IS ESSENTIAL. NO PART OF THE BODY OR SKIN MUST BE
EXPOSED.
8. Open the lid very very carefully. and there will be a coffee coloured red/brown crystals (may look like a layer of liquid) on top. This will mainly be stuck to the lid and can be removed by means of a syringe (preferable) or a spatula. There will also be a little bit remaining on top of the water. There will be a PHENOMENALLY bad smell but it will not be from the substance- only from what is underneath.
9. These crystals are called Betaluminum Poison. The crystals are very refined in the shape of coffee and do not dissolve in water.
2.4.2 Results of tests
1. gm was dissolved in a ethyl alcohol. 1ml of this solution was given to a rabbit orally. It died in about ten hours.
2. The same amount was given to the rabbit but in water - it died in about 30 hours.
3. 1ml from the water underneath the substance in the jar was injected into a rabbit. It died in 12 hours.
4. 1ml was dissolved in DMSO (Di-Methyl-Sulphur-Oxide). The solution was touched onto a rabbit's skin. It died in 42 hours.
2.4.3 Notes
There is no evidence to suggest that a greater dose leads to death quicker than 12 hours. This is a biological poison i.e. bacteria- not a chemical one.
- Effects: Dizziness, extreme tiredness, headache, constipation.
- No treatment.
- Recommended use is to place a minute quantity in food, just before serving.

Alkaloid of Potato
Source: Mujahideen_Poisons
Name: Alkaloid of Potato
Appearance: Green-grey liquid
Lethal Dose: 0.06 gm
Time to Death: Less than 2 minutes
2.2.1 Preparation and Precautions:
The preparation procedure is exactly the same as for Nicotine except for the fact that the spuds on the skins of GREEN potatoes is used instead of tobacco.

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Figure 2: Alkaloid of Potato
2.2.2 Results of tests
3ml was given orally to a strong rabbit. It started shrieking immediately. Blood came out from its mouth. It died after 100 seconds.
The same dose was given to a small rabbit. It died in 7 seconds.
2.2.3 Notes
Cannot be used through the skin by itself - orally or by injection only. Orally is better.


Nicotine
Source: Mujahideen_Poisons
Name: Nicotine
Appearance: Dark brown sticky/oily liquid
Lethal Dose: 0.06gm pure but 3-4 drops for this homemade version
Time to death:12-24 hours
2.1.2 Preparation
1. Remove the tobacco from ten cigarettes of a cheap brand (more expensive brands contain less nicotine)
2. Grind the tobacco very well and then place it inside a small beaker.
3. Pour iso-propyl alcohol (in emergency burbonal can be used instead).
4. Cover the beaker with aluminium foil.
5. Place the beaker on a bunsen burner or electric fire and heat gently. DO NOT ALLOW THE ALCOHOL TO BOIL OVER. Everytime the alcohol begins to boil remove the beaker by means of tongs (holders) and then replace on the flame once the bubbles subside. The vapours of the alcohol will catch fire if not removed everytime boiling starts.
If this happens remove the beaker, blow out the flame and continue as before.
6. After one hour of heating, filter the contents of the beaker using filter paper. Throw away the residue remaining on the filter paper.
7. Evaporate the liquid obtained by placing in strong sunlight or gently heating. Nicotine remains in the dish.

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Figure 1: Nicotine
2.1.3 Precautions
Wear medical rubber gloves throughout the procedure.
2.1.4 Dosage
Ten cigarettes should be enough to kill three men, therefore 3 cigarettes is enough to kill 1 man.
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2.1.5 Results of Tests
1. The liquid was touched onto the back of the shaven neck of a rabbit (N.B. the neck was used sothat the rabbit could not lick it off). There was an immediate slowness in its movements. After 11 hours the rabbit went into a frenzy and died.
2. 2ml was given to a rabbit orally. It had the same effects as above and died after 12 hours.
2.1.6 Notes
Nicotine is a good skin penetrator -be very careful NOT TO TOUCH IT. The best way to give it orally is in strong coffee -3-4 drops from an eye dropper will be sufficient.


Source: The Poisoners Handbook
Precatory Beans
Source: The Poisoners Handbook
The phytotoxin abrin from precatory beans, also known as jequirty beans, is very similar to ricin.
http://www.drugs.com/npp/precatory-bean.html
http://image36.webshots.com/36/3/7/55/2746307550052954010EOfyXl_ph.jpg

Water Hemlock
http://www.agf.gov.bc.ca/cropprot/weedguid/waterhmlk.htm
http://www.methowconservancy.org/images/water_hemlock.jpg

Tung-Oil Tree
http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/0/1/8/0/5/5/webimg/94883904_o.jpg

Yellow Orleander
http://qjmed.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/92/9/483
http://www.floridata.com/wallpaper/jpg/Nerium_oleander800yellow.jpg


The Alkaloids
The following Plants are the most Commonly Available sources of lethal alkaloids.

Tobacco
http://www.parmaq.com/truecrime/Tobacco.htm
http://www.ndcinfrared.com/ndc/images/tobacco%20crop%20small.jpg

Yew
http://museum.gov.ns.ca/poison/default.asp?id=122&section=species
http://gallery.hd.org/_exhibits/leaves/_more2006/_more11/Yew-aka-Taxus-tree-and-bright-red-berries-in-November-in-Kingston-London-England-closeup-10-DHD.jpg

Monkshood
http://library.thinkquest.org/C007974/1_1com.htm
http://www.juneauphotos.net/images/alaska-monkshood.jpg

Zigadenus
http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/consumer/poison/Zigadsp.htm
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Zigadenus.jpeg
Potato Sprouts
Woods Hemlock
Autumn Crocus - Introduced from Europe.


Mushrooms
Death Cap (Amanita Phallcides)
Destroying Angel (Amanita Virosa)
Fool's Mushroom (Amanita verna)
Galerina Autumnalis
Venenata
Cortinarius Orellanus


Not So Poisonous Plants
Poinsettia
Holly
Wisteria
Rhubarb Leaves
Christmas Rose
Lilly-Of-The-Valley
Lupine
Mistletoe (More dangerous)
Fly Agric


Animal Toxins
U.S snakes
Copperhead
Cotton Mouth
Coral Snake
Rattlesnake - Best type - Eastern or Western Diamond Back


Spiders
Black Widow - Not as lethal as though unless against children elderly or the sick.


Scorpions
Centruroides Exilicauda - Arizona Area


Tetrodoxin
Comes from the egg sac of the female Tetraondontidae.


Tarichatoxin
Is secreted from the skin of the California newt Tarcha Torosa.


Batrachotoxin
Kokoi Frog of South and Central America release a toxin ten times as deadly as tetrodoxin and identical in its effects.



Torrents

NBC Related Material Collection (Nuclear Biological Chemical Weapons Safety)
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4132893/NBC_Related_Material_Collection_(Safety_Measures_a nd_Protection)

Assorted Nastiest
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3808373/Assorted_Nasties_(Poison_How-To)

Al

http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?p=266357#post266357

Cliche Guevara
03-19-2009, 08:13 PM
maybe you shouldn't be going on websites called 'mujahideen poisons' lol.

1983
03-19-2009, 08:40 PM
maybe you shouldn't be going on websites called 'mujahideen poisons' lol.

Wasn't a web site was a PDF file I stumbled across...
I'll use whatever weapons given to me by my enemies or friends as long as it kills the other guy I don't care were it comes from.

Get information, Research it, Cross reference it, Produce said product if needed.

Al

Random_Looney
03-19-2009, 08:52 PM
Military use of toxins is typically limited. They're often not great since the bioweapons producing them are uncontrollable, they aren't as good at area denial as chemical weapons, etc. Purification is also annoying. Think the source above has relatively pure ricin as your product? Nope.

They are best used as assassination and perhaps psychological warfare tools. Mostly the former.

1983
03-19-2009, 09:06 PM
^I know it's not a pure product and I do have better refinement processes around... Somewhere... Gotta find them again.:rolleyes:

Either way I'm looking at it as any form of military whether it is a people militia or some third world country "military".

I know there's better chemical and biological weapons out there that have been manufactured by the US and other countries but I'm looking for more layman assessable sources for whatever reason they're used by that can be grown and harvested / collected by him or her.

Like how the Vietcong used to poison wells and the like and I'm sure there's other circumstances where small traps could make life hell for an advancing troupe and the more people that become sick / infected / dead the better it is for the defenders.

http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=b7654e669a564f2b&q=booby%20trap%20foot%20spike&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbooby%2Btrap%2Bfoot%2Bspike%26hl%3Den %26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DG%26um%3D1

http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/weapons-recent/traps01.jpg

Al

Random_Looney
03-19-2009, 09:13 PM
Trust me, I'm aware. Chemical weapons would be far more useful, in my opinion. I made a multi-thousand word series of posts on them on Totse.

Vargus
03-19-2009, 09:30 PM
Looks like I'll have plenty of reading to do.

There was an immediate slowness in its movements. After 11 hours the rabbit went into a frenzy and died.

I laughed hard at the thought of a chain-smoking rabbit going nuts and then falling over.

Just a note, nearly all food crops that are green before they ripen are nightshades and will have the same effect as the potato. Cucumbers, zuchinis and the like are obviously exempt. I suspect the spuds are used as they may have the alkaloids in concentrated form. It would be quite a waste since the skin also contains them.

Reyin
03-20-2009, 02:21 AM
One of the things you listed was spelled wrong o__O

Oleander

They are pretty easy to find, and one of the more potent plants in the world. If you live in the southern US they are everywhere. In the north you'd have to find them at a nursery, they're also not hardy so you can't keep them outside if you get frost in the winter. They're actually quite pretty shrubs; I have a few pink and whites that have to be kept in the garage with a heat light in the winter.

The main poisons in them are Cardiac Gycosides, which cause heart problems including arrthymia and heart failure.

Struwwelpeter
03-20-2009, 07:05 AM
Can somebody here verify the legitimacy of the recipes given? I would also like to know, are the deadly effects of these poisons transferable? I.E. if I were to inject someone with ricin, take them back to my house and cannibalize them, would I die too?

TripleDot
03-20-2009, 07:40 AM
Can somebody here verify the legitimacy of the recipes given? I would also like to know, are the deadly effects of these poisons transferable? I.E. if I were to inject someone with ricin, take them back to my house and cannibalize them, would I die too?I'm fairly certain getting Ricin on your skin alone will kill you. So yes, I'd imagine eating someone who died of Ricin would have some negative health benefits, Read: Horrible Death.

Vargus
03-20-2009, 07:50 AM
I'm fairly certain getting Ricin on your skin alone will kill you. So yes, I'd imagine eating someone who died of Ricin would have some negative health benefits, Read: Horrible Death.

Yea, but would cooking destroy it? I suppose if you did the poisoning you would know where you spread it on the person, so you could just not eat that. Maybe bitchslap someone with a palm full of it since you don't generally eat the head anyway. (unless you are a Zed :D )

TripleDot
03-20-2009, 07:51 AM
Yea, but would cooking destroy it? I suppose if you did the poisoning you would know where you spread it on the person, so you could just not eat that. Maybe bitchslap someone with a palm full of it since you don't generally eat the head anyway. (unless you are a Zed :D )But again, get it on your skin, and your dead. Or so I've heard.

Butcher
03-20-2009, 08:04 AM
The manual he was talking about can be found here: http://thedisease.net/?ejaculate=library&your_poison=NBC%20Warfare


I don't know if I would trust it, those mujahideen groups tend to be careless when it comes to making their own weapons, whether they be explosives or poisons or whatever. The point is you're better off doing the research yourself rather than trusting some uneducated sand niggers.

1983
03-20-2009, 06:07 PM
^That's why there's a disclaimer. :D

Al

talonner
03-21-2009, 04:34 AM
If you can get that close to them why not use your bare hands or a knife? Poisons are.... poisonous. Not a good idea to play with.

LavaRed
03-21-2009, 07:43 PM
If you can get that close to them why not use your bare hands or a knife? Poisons are.... poisonous. Not a good idea to play with.

knives are also all pointy and sharp my friend ;) :D.
Just messing with you.

a giant pterodactyl
03-21-2009, 07:58 PM
Who are you going to kill OP?

1983
03-21-2009, 08:11 PM
talonner if you had a choice of a face to face life and death situation or being able to kill from a distance which would you choose?

Also if you were in the situation of a one on one life or death fight and died would you not want him or her to follow suite soon after?

el reformador I'd be killing absolutely no one, I just want to have the information for information purposes.

I hope I never have to see the day where I'd have to use it. Either way it's better to have or to know than be ignorant, beaten, and left for dead in the dark.

I'll update more in a couple days time I'm away from my place and references until then.

Al

ilovechronic
03-22-2009, 05:35 AM
That is good to know. I am studying in the homeland security field and that is something useful as it goes with some of the stuff in my "terrorism handbook for operational responders" but it goes over things that are used to kill or with some of the types of chems it is only meant to incapcitate large groups, chemical asphixiants,nerve agents,neurotoxins,respitory irritants. But it seems like it is useful to know. I could add the informations and examples of some of these if anyone is interested.

this book: "terrorism handbook for operational responders" is a great book and full of interesting information. interesting classes also.

samguy700
03-23-2009, 05:55 PM
i don't know much about poison, although i liked the tetanus one because of its ease to produce, but best ones i ever heard of were blue ringed octopus because you feel tired and go to sleep and don't wake up, due to suffocation feeling tired is never suspicious and by the time you realise its too late also you don't feel the bite wish there was a way to administer it like that but the way the poison doesn't show any symptoms aside tiredness is why i like it.
next one i like is hydrogen something something its the one they use to put people down in america when they are sentenced to death basically your heart is controlled by a chemical in your blood or something and when you inject this the heart either stops or speeds up and has an attack which kills you, i like this one for its speed its more or less instant and if in a fight stab a needle in his neck and wait out the max 30 seconds to one minute and he's dead
next i like the bubble idea although i m sceptical of how effective it would be and how long it takes to act how it kills how much etc
hey if chloroform goes into the blood etc why bother getting the person to breathe it could you inject it i m thinking this would kill them cus of the shock if inhaling too much kills somebody a needle full of chloroform would make light work of it right?
also what is the longest acting poison and what are the best tranquillisers i can make i really need some whenever i want to go into an abandoned building and there's a dog there.....

Random_Looney
03-23-2009, 10:41 PM
talonner if you had a choice of a face to face life and death situation or being able to kill from a distance which would you choose?

Also if you were in the situation of a one on one life or death fight and died would you not want him or her to follow suite soon after?

el reformador I'd be killing absolutely no one, I just want to have the information for information purposes.

I hope I never have to see the day where I'd have to use it. Either way it's better to have or to know than be ignorant, beaten, and left for dead in the dark.

I'll update more in a couple days time I'm away from my place and references until then.

Al

You left out making assassinations look as though the killer knew them, in some cases. Also it minimizes some forms of forensic evidence.

Akagi
03-23-2009, 10:58 PM
If you try to make Ricin you will probably end up killing yourself.

ilovechronic
03-23-2009, 11:59 PM
neurotoxins/military nerve agents: TWA-ppm

-Sarin(GB), Isopropyl methylphosphonofluoridate .00002ppm
Odor: fruity

Route of Entry into body: primarily inhalation,
skin absorbtion, all routes possible.
boiling point: 297F
vapor density 4.86


-Soman(GD),pinacolyl methylphosphonofluoridate .000004ppm
odor:camphor

Route of entry, same as sarin

Boiling point: 225 f

Vapor density:6.33

-Tabun (GA), 0-ethyl N, N-dimethylphosphoramidocyanidate .00001 ppm
Odor: fruity

Route of entry:same as sarin/soman

boiling point: 475 f

vapor density:5.6

-VX, 0-ethyl S-(2-diisopropylamino) ethyl .0000009 ppm
methylphosphonothiolate

Odor: sulfur

route of entry:primarily skin absorbtion, inhalation,all routes possible

Boiling point 568 F
vapor density:9.2

Symptoms of nerve agent poisoning:
-Nose: Rhinorrhea (watery nose)

-Eyes: constricted pupils(pin point pupils) Lacrimation(teary eyes) conjunctivitis9dim/blurred vision,pain)

-Respiratory: hypersecretion production, bronchospasms(dyspnea cough)

-Gastrointestinal: cramps, diarrhea, vomiting, hypermotitlity(ecessive movement of intestinal tract)
-Somatic: weakness, fasciculations(muscle twitches), seizures

-Central nervous system: Anxiety, restlessness, coma, respiratory and circulatory depression

-Other: salivation, sweating

Nerve Agent Treatment

1. remove victim from the enviorment.
2. decontaminate imediately using appropiate solutions
3. Maintain open airway in victim
4.Administer high flow 02
5. continue decontamination
6. consider advanced treatment if necessary
7.monitor patient during transport, suction if necessary
8.consider secondary contamination
9. responders should have appropiate protection from secondary contamination from the patient.

Advanced nerve agent treatment:
1. first follow procedures in basic treatment
2. evaluate oxygenation. high-liter flow before advanced life support (ALS)
3. give 2-6mg atropine IVP every 5 minutes
4. give 1 gm of pralidoxime over 2 minutes
5. valium for seizures
6. monitor patient for respiratory difficulty. suction if necessary. prepare for transport.

Chemical Asphyxiants(military blood agents): TWA-PPM
Hydrogen cyanide (AC), HCN 4.7ppm
-Odor: bitter almonds or peach kernels

-Route of entry: primarily inhalation,skin absorbtion, all routes possible
-boiling point: 79 F
-vapor density: .93

Cyanogen Chloride (CK),CNCL .3ppm
-Odor: Faint bitter almonds or peach kernels
-route of entry: primarily inhalation,if in liquid form (<55F) can be absorbed by skin
-boiling point:55F
-Vapor density: 2.1

signs and symptoms of cyanide (hydrogen cyanide and cyanogen chloride) and hydrogen sulfide poisoning:
Respiratory system effects,Early signs:
-Tachypnea (rapid breathing)
-Hyperpnea (deep breathing)
-dyspnea(shortness of breath)

Late signs:
-decreased respiratory rate
-respiratory depression
-apnea and death

Cardiovascular system Effects, Early Signs:
-flushing(circulatory system fully oxygenated)
-hypertension(high blood pressure)
-Reflex bradycardia(abnormal bradycardia, decrease in body pulse rate)
-Arterioventricular (AV) nodal intraventricular rhythms

Late signs:
-hypotension(low blood pressure)
-acidosis(increased acidity)
-tachycardia (heart rate exceeds the range of normal resting heartrate)
-EKG-ST segment changes


if peopl are interested i can post Respiratory Irritants (choking Agents),military choking agents,military blister agents (vesicants),riot control choking agents(lacrimating agents),Biological agents(biological toxins,bacterial agents,Viral agents,etc

Random_Looney
03-24-2009, 02:20 AM
I don't see how it fits in the toxin thread, as it's for natural poisons, nor do I see it as particularly useful as I doubt Joe Dumbfuck is going to pull off a fluorination or maintain positive pressure and prevent any kind of skin absorption, etc. That's even with binary weapon systems. I just don't see someone without a chemical background pulling any of it off. That's assuming they had access to the precursors without setting off big warning lights with the DEA.

ilovechronic
03-24-2009, 03:29 AM
I don't see how it fits in the toxin thread, as it's for natural poisons, nor do I see it as particularly useful as I doubt Joe Dumbfuck is going to pull off a fluorination or maintain positive pressure and prevent any kind of skin absorption, etc. That's even with binary weapon systems. I just don't see someone without a chemical background pulling any of it off. That's assuming they had access to the precursors without setting off big warning lights with the DEA.
I wasn't trying to give any synths. Just giving some examples of what they teach to look for. I didn't go into the biological ones yet, which are natural.


Also the thread says poisons, cyanide is a natural poison.

Non of the poisons listed are even mentioned for use for large scale attacks. Like vapor density is important because it could mean whether it hugs the ground,float into the atmosphere, or float down wind.

So I kind of was just sharing what they prepare for, for large scale attacks.

aAso I truly hope anyone looking at this was not going to actually imploy the use of any of these chemicals, i assumed it was purely hypothetical.

If that is the case the may be better suited for bad ideas or uncle bobs since it has nothing to to do with small arms. i know this was originally weapons and combat which it does fit with that.

Random_Looney
03-24-2009, 03:40 AM
I agree that cyanide is natural, but the thread seems to be drifting.

Space Monkey
03-24-2009, 08:54 AM
So are there natural poisons that have a very short half life?

Let's say some toxin that simulates a natural aliment but cannot be detected after a brief time, let's say the body doesn't get found for 24 hours or even more after death, which means the autopsy will be conducted even after, are there poisons that by then would be completely undetectable?

Random_Looney
03-24-2009, 11:15 AM
It depends. If the autopsy is particularly thorough, various residues may be found in specific areas of the body even later.

Even if not, the chemical constituent byproducts can be used to give a rough estimate of possible causes of death because of our advanced knowledge of metabolism.

Also, you have to consider that due to expense and improbability of use, many things aren't tested for.

ilovechronic
03-25-2009, 01:17 AM
So are there natural poisons that have a very short half life?

Let's say some toxin that simulates a natural aliment but cannot be detected after a brief time, let's say the body doesn't get found for 24 hours or even more after death, which means the autopsy will be conducted even after, are there poisons that by then would be completely undetectable?

Once the brain has stopped the bodies functions are going to quickly cease meaning anything that was detectable at the time of death is probably going to be detectable at the time of th autopsy. We are talking a fresh body though because once it is just bones then testing will be far more limited. But they still figure out causes of death even after the bodies flesh has decomposed.

like R_L said it also depends on if they even test for that subsance based on the probability of it being used and also financial reasons.

Dread_Lord
03-25-2009, 12:44 PM
I agree that cyanide is natural, but the thread seems to be drifting.

If it's natural you seek.
http://rapidshare.com/files/213337019/CAOHPAE.pdf < Link is broken, see post below.

Click it and you will be rewarded with knowledge and wisdom.

I won't tell any of you what it is, fortune favors the brave.

ComradeAsh
03-25-2009, 12:53 PM
No digitalis?

Random_Looney
03-25-2009, 01:54 PM
If it's natural you seek.
http://rapidshare.com/files/213337019/CAOHPAE.pdf

Click it and you will be rewarded with knowledge and wisdom.

I won't tell any of you what it is, fortune favors the brave.

I appreciate the attempt, but if you knew some of the places I worked....

I'm just trying to keep the thread on topic.

Dread_Lord
03-25-2009, 02:04 PM
I appreciate the attempt, but if you knew some of the places I worked....

I'm just trying to keep the thread on topic.

I don't really understand your reply, to be honest.


As for the link, that's for everyone.

Irukanji
03-25-2009, 02:24 PM
Botox

Botulinum toxin, produced by the bacterium "Clostridium botulinum".

On wikipedia;
It is the most acutely toxic substance known, with a median lethal dose of about 1 ng/kg.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botulinum_toxin#Biochemical_mechanism_of_toxicity

Very poisonous shit, but it get's destroyed over 60C and wont grow under 3C, so keep your meat chilled or cook it well. Unless of course you get the spores, in which case.....dun dun duuuuuu

Random_Looney
03-25-2009, 03:17 PM
I don't really understand your reply, to be honest.


As for the link, that's for everyone.

I'm not seeking natural :-). I've worked in a biomedical research lab.

ilovechronic
03-25-2009, 11:01 PM
Botox

Botulinum toxin, produced by the bacterium "Clostridium botulinum".

On wikipedia;
It is the most acutely toxic substance known, with a median lethal dose of about 1 ng/kg.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botulinum_toxin#Biochemical_mechanism_of_toxicity

Very poisonous shit, but it get's destroyed over 60C and wont grow under 3C, so keep your meat chilled or cook it well. Unless of course you get the spores, in which case.....dun dun duuuuuu Botulinium is a neurotoxic protein that is produced by a bacterium called Clostridium botulinum.
Edit i guess it does produce spores which can germinate under anaerobic conditions,

the naural toxins that are bacteria that are included in my handbook for operational responders are:
-Bacillus anthracis (anthrax,yes anthrax is a bacteria, NOT A FUNGUS)
-cholera, Yersinia pestis (the bubonic plague)
-Francisella tularensis(tularemia)
-q fever
-salmonellae

Viruses that could be used include:
-variola virus (small pox)
-venezuaelan equine encehpalitis(VEE)
-Viral hemorrhagic fever

i did find that some of the toxin th eop listed are found in my book.

Biological toxins:
-botulinum toxins(botulism)
-Staphylococcal entereotoxin B (SEB)
-ricin
-tricholthecene mycotoxins(t2s)

Dread_Lord
03-26-2009, 03:02 PM
Okay I had to re-up these links and I put them in rar files. I'll just tell you guys what they are.
This is:
http://www.amazon.com/Poisoning-Toxicology-Handbook-Fourth-Palouceks/dp/1420044796

http://rapidshare.com/files/213778115/PATH.rar

This is:
http://www.amazon.com/Color-Atlas-Human-Poisoning-Envenoming/dp/0849322154

http://rapidshare.com/files/213784630/CAOHPAE.rar

HowlinJayByrd
03-26-2009, 03:44 PM
So are there natural poisons that have a very short half life?

Let's say some toxin that simulates a natural aliment but cannot be detected after a brief time, let's say the body doesn't get found for 24 hours or even more after death, which means the autopsy will be conducted even after, are there poisons that by then would be completely undetectable?

They can find any poison used, and also any drug the person used over their life via spinal tap.

ilovechronic
03-26-2009, 11:26 PM
They can find any poison used, and also any drug the person used over their life via spinal tap.

I am going to call bs. First of all they cant find everything. second i highly dobt they could find every drug a person ever used from a spinal tap. I would like to see a source. There many factors that go into a decomposing body and it is not as simple as you put it. some poisons or toxins may be undetectable and some substance the body produces naturally in minute quantities.

Also there are many drugs that you can absorb from tap water because they do not take measures to get out the metabolites and unmetabolised drugs that may get into tap water.

Random_Looney
03-27-2009, 03:33 AM
They can find any poison used, and also any drug the person used over their life via spinal tap.

Wrong. It's called a chemical halflife. Metabolism and catabolism, but primarily the former, just don't work like that.

blue_monday
03-27-2009, 04:08 AM
They can find any poison used, and also any drug the person used over their life via spinal tap.

as an aspiring chemist I call bs too, i'll need to see a very good source on this to believe it.

ilovechronic
03-28-2009, 01:35 AM
as an aspiring chemist I call bs too, i'll need to see a very good source on this to believe it.

Cleary he is someone who watches too much CSI.

blue_monday
03-28-2009, 09:08 PM
Cleary he is someone who watches too much CSI.

No, i'm in my second year in college for a chem degree, and i'm going on to grad school. That and i've never seen a single episode of CSI.

ilovechronic
03-28-2009, 09:51 PM
No, i'm in my second year in college for a chem degree, and i'm going on to grad school. That and i've never seen a single episode of CSI.

not you lol.

blue_monday
03-28-2009, 10:39 PM
not you lol.

ok, good. At first i was all like:mad: but now i'm like:)

HowlinJayByrd
03-29-2009, 03:40 AM
as an aspiring chemist I call bs too, i'll need to see a very good source on this to believe it.

Maybe it's not true, I don't know, I'm not an encyclopedia, if you don't believe it the do the research and prove me wrong, I don't give a shit if people don't believe me, but I don't believe that a spinal tap would be effective if body is decayed because it relies on mostly spinal fluid and obviously the hair sample wouldn't be good if there is no hair left. You are an aspiring chemist, I'm assuming that is including bio chemistry, I would think that if you were serious about it, you would want to find out about it and do the research yourself. Do some research on forensics and autopsy and I'm sure you will learn something.

1983
03-29-2009, 12:27 PM
I'm not 100% on this but wouldn't you go after a liver biopsy as well as checking the stomach contents?

It's like if a girl is raped you go for fibers under her fingernails (defensive strikes) and cootch... Any sort of filter the body has will more of less be damaged wouldn't it?

Either way most often it's too expensive to do an in depth autopsy, Also just use some form of protein based toxin and it'll be like trying to find a virgin on prom night.

Al

Mantikore
03-29-2009, 12:32 PM
Botox

Botulinum toxin, produced by the bacterium "Clostridium botulinum".

On wikipedia;
It is the most acutely toxic substance known, with a median lethal dose of about 1 ng/kg.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botulinum_toxin#Biochemical_mechanism_of_toxicity

Very poisonous shit, but it get's destroyed over 60C and wont grow under 3C, so keep your meat chilled or cook it well. Unless of course you get the spores, in which case.....dun dun duuuuuu

i attempted something similar to this when i was in school. i actually brought a bacterial sample to my school lab and could identifiy it as C. Botulinum.

however, i wasnt sure of the concentration of the toxin in the water, as i had no means to test it. I also wasnt sure about the shelf life of the protein, and wasnt sure if other bacteria may ingest the toxin.

ilovechronic
03-30-2009, 07:22 AM
Maybe it's not true, I don't know, I'm not an encyclopedia, if you don't believe it the do the research and prove me wrong, I don't give a shit if people don't believe me, but I don't believe that a spinal tap would be effective if body is decayed because it relies on mostly spinal fluid and obviously the hair sample wouldn't be good if there is no hair left. You are an aspiring chemist, I'm assuming that is including bio chemistry, I would think that if you were serious about it, you would want to find out about it and do the research yourself. Do some research on forensics and autopsy and I'm sure you will learn something.

proves oyu were just talking out of your ass.

You said it like it was a fact. now you admit it was not fact.

I highly doubt a spinal tap "could detect all of the drugs you have ever used" it is just not likely. And they cannot detect everything. Some things breakdown into things that are found naturally in the body. some thing they dont test for becaus eit is not likely to have been used. or it could be for financial reasons.

HowlinJayByrd
03-31-2009, 12:50 AM
proves oyu were just talking out of your ass.

You said it like it was a fact. now you admit it was not fact.

I highly doubt a spinal tap "could detect all of the drugs you have ever used" it is just not likely. And they cannot detect everything. Some things breakdown into things that are found naturally in the body. some thing they dont test for becaus eit is not likely to have been used. or it could be for financial reasons.

No you ass, I never said it was a fact, never meant it to be, but far as I know, spinal fluid and hair are the two biggest tell tails when it comes to detecting drugs and poison, hair more acurate over only a short span, not life time like the spinal tap, which wouldn't work if the spinal fluid is no longer, and blah blah blah, who gives a shit!


I stand corrected, I decided to do the research and it is inconclusive that the spinal tap is even accurate enough for either, and hair can nearly any drug within a 90 day period except for LSD which can only within 3 days, but that is on a live person, maybe more, maybe less on a dead person and many poisons can be detected by hair sample, not sure the time frame, but probably about the same as drugs, but most of the drug detection is by trial and error, they don't just do one test and know what it is, they have to have a sample to compare it with, so probably as long as isn't someone important, someone rich, or a little girl, probably wont go that far.

HowlinJayByrd
03-31-2009, 03:54 AM
Oh yeah, if you tried to kill someone with the nicotine poisoning, I would recommend almost a double dosage for an avid smoker, lets say a pack a day smoker, "not from personal experience! ;)"

Dread_Lord
03-31-2009, 12:57 PM
For those of you who have got the other two books here is a 3rd for you. Not natural poisons, but somewhat similar.

http://www.amazon.com/Chemical-Warfare-Agents-Pharmacology-Therapeutics/dp/1420046616

http://rapidshare.com/files/215731859/CWA.rar

Random_Looney
04-06-2009, 04:19 PM
I stand corrected, I decided to do the research and it is inconclusive that the spinal tap is even accurate enough for either, and hair can nearly any drug within a 90 day period except for LSD which can only within 3 days, but that is on a live person, maybe more, maybe less on a dead person and many poisons can be detected by hair sample, not sure the time frame, but probably about the same as drugs, but most of the drug detection is by trial and error, they don't just do one test and know what it is, they have to have a sample to compare it with, so probably as long as isn't someone important, someone rich, or a little girl, probably wont go that far.

Please stop posting things you don't know about.

samguy700
04-06-2009, 07:10 PM
does anybody know a good poison for suicide? painless, quick if possible and no hope of saving?
example you stab somebody in a fight and your a die hard so you dont want to go to prison and stabbing yourself is undignified (dont argue just assume it isent an option) and you need to kill yourself whats the best poison keep in mind the police could pull up at any time so you must not show any signs or if you do nobody should be able to save you

Random_Looney
04-06-2009, 07:21 PM
You mean a knife-wielding badass who's too much of a pussy to stab himself, and has to opt for a painless suicide pill?


Death hurts.

1983
04-06-2009, 08:27 PM
samguy700 your question has been answered multiple times in this thread... Download a book and read it.

If your worried about pain put it in a jell capsule and mix it with an opiate, problem solved.

Al

v0x
04-06-2009, 09:33 PM
Just curious, which poison do all of you think would be the best for an assassination?
Things to consider:
-Lethality
-Ease of use
-Detection
-Stability

Any ideas?

Bensozia
04-06-2009, 09:57 PM
Does anyone knows if deadly nightshade and aconite also make potent natural poisons?

Dread_Lord
04-06-2009, 10:56 PM
deadly nightshade

What do you think?

1983
04-07-2009, 05:50 AM
Just curious, which poison do all of you think would be the best for an assassination?
Things to consider:
-Lethality
-Ease of use
-Detection
-Stability

Any ideas?

Botulism... Download and read the books.

Al

Bensozia
04-08-2009, 05:09 AM
What do you think?

Simply heard it's not that deadly after all...

samguy700
04-08-2009, 03:15 PM
I'd imagine eating someone who died of Ricin would have some negative health benefits, Read: Horrible Death.




i lold, hard

samguy700
04-08-2009, 03:39 PM
You mean a knife-wielding badass who's too much of a pussy to stab himself, and has to opt for a painless suicide pill?


Death hurts.




actualy i was thinking more like if you were that guy in america (viginia tech massacre) he shot himself in the head but if you were going round and then you had one bullet left and there was somebody you realy hated you could just shoot him and take the pill its not like if you run out of bullets your going to shove the pill down his throat and wait 20 mins or whatever while holding him down so he doesent throw it up or anything and the reason i said painless wasent because i was scared of pain but its indignified to die screaming or be found caughing up blood like that potato peel one
and i know my question has been asnwered many times but hasent Quite for example in the op

drug name:
method of production:
administration method:
time taken to die:
symptoms of poison:


nobody has given me a suitable poison yet
also i m suprised nobody has touched on the hydrogen.... the one where the heart is controled by this chemical and you inject this chemical made artificialy and the heart either stops or has a heart attack.
also is it true injecting insulin can cause a heart attack?



ps to the person who talked about chemicals made by the body you are probly the most inteligent person to have posted in this thread for the simple reason you thought about its practical aplication and getting away with it and not just hey this poison works faster than your i win lolz

Random_Looney
04-08-2009, 07:57 PM
actualy i was thinking more like if you were that guy in america (viginia tech massacre) he shot himself in the head but if you were going round and then you had one bullet left and there was somebody you realy hated you could just shoot him and take the pill its not like if you run out of bullets your going to shove the pill down his throat and wait 20 mins or whatever while holding him down so he doesent throw it up or anything and the reason i said painless wasent because i was scared of pain but its indignified to die screaming or be found caughing up blood like that potato peel one
and i know my question has been asnwered many times but hasent Quite for example in the op

So you mean you're asking about Bad Ideas? Wrong forum.

Also, dignity is subjective. House MD says all death is undignified.

nobody has given me a suitable poison yet
Why should we just give you anything? Do your own research.

also i m suprised nobody has touched on the hydrogen.... the one where the heart is controled by this chemical and you inject this chemical made artificialy and the heart either stops or has a heart attack.
1. You're surprised yet don't know what it is.
2. It's synthetic when this is a biological/toxicological thread. Not synthetic.
3. It doesn't exist. The sinoatrial node controls the heart, to grossly simplify things. You wouldn't understand the biochemistry behind it.
also is it true injecting insulin can cause a heart attack?

No. Leave the biochemistry to those with knowledge on the subject, or molecular biology.

ps to the person who talked about chemicals made by the body you are probly the most inteligent person to have posted in this thread for the simple reason you thought about its practical aplication and getting away with it and not just hey this poison works faster than your i win lolz

Posting about naturally-occuring products in the body that are lethal in excess has nothing to do with intellect.

I could say injecting fucking draino (synthetic) and be a genius by your standards because Draino is everywhere. Oh wow, you caught me with draino, I must be the killer.


You're in the wrong forum.


I'm fairly certain getting Ricin on your skin alone will kill you. So yes, I'd imagine eating someone who died of Ricin would have some negative health benefits, Read: Horrible Death.

1. You're wrong. Check out the polarities. You need a skin penetrant solvent to use it as anything other than inhalational aerosol, ingestible, or injectible.
2. How are you cooking it? How concentrated is it? Chances are you'll denature it by cooking.
Yea, but would cooking destroy it? I suppose if you did the poisoning you would know where you spread it on the person, so you could just not eat that. Maybe bitchslap someone with a palm full of it since you don't generally eat the head anyway. (unless you are a Zed :D )

How hot?

HowlinJayByrd
04-10-2009, 03:59 AM
Please stop posting things you don't know about.

Please stop posting.!

King Owl
04-10-2009, 04:32 AM
Please stop posting.!

Shut the fuck up you self-important shitheel. This is not your turf.

Random_Looney
04-10-2009, 04:47 AM
Please stop posting.!

No, but I appreciate your politeness.

The less retarded you are, the less I feel inclined to post to either correct you, or implicitly point out your error.

karimmd
09-25-2013, 12:53 AM
I'll be posting this in both Right to Bear Arms and in Flora and Fauna for a more brod range of ideals and knowledge and quick linking them together.

For right to bear arms I'd like to find out the practical use in military and guerrilla warfare both what you know about anything, from what you can process from plant matter, fungi, animals.

For Flora and Fauna if you know anything about toxic or poisonous plants or fungi if it's even just a name and how commercially or locally available it is or found in the wild around the world.

I will post things that I do know and eventually expand as I re-read some of my stored PDF files on the subject and expand my first post as to not create multiple posts.

As it stands I'd like to keep this as professional as possible as I hope it stays as a reference guide.

Some of it will also be short formed but I'll track down or upload references, PDFs, Ect later on.

Any and all materials posted have not yet been tested or preformed so use at your own risk.


Ricin
Seeds found at Home Depot for $1.79 a package of 13.
http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt325/Taipan526/cap_007.jpghttp://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt325/Taipan526/cap_008.jpg

Source: Mujahideen_Poisons

Name: Poison from Castor Nuts or Ricin
Appearance: White powder
Lethal Dose: 0.035 gm
Time to Death: Orally-a few minutes. By injection- several hours.
2.3.2 Preparation and precautions:
1. Take the skin off several castor nuts and weigh the white part of the nuts.
2. Grind the nuts and add 4xtheir weight of acetone.
3. Leave the mixture in a plastic container for three days.
4. Filter the mixture.The residue, once it is dried, is Ricin in powder form.
NOTE: WEAR MEDICAL GLOVES THROUGHOUT THE PROCEDURE. If the mixture is left in the acetone for another three days then the whole of it will be Ricin in liquid form.
2.3.3 Results of tests
1. 1ml of the acetone solution was given orally to a rabbit. It experienced an immediate problem in breathing. Mucus came from its mouth. It died after four hours.
2. 2ml of the acetone solution was give to a rabbit orally. It died in 2 minutes.
2.3.4 Notes
The acetone solution is convenient to administer, especially in alcohol. The powder form may be difficult to dissolve but can be used inside food since it is not of strong taste.


Betaluminum Poison
Source: Mujahideen_Poisons
Name: Betaluminum Poison
Appearance: Sticky coffee coloured liquid.
Lethal Dose: 0.000028 gm
Time to Death: 12-36 hours
Effect will start after 12 hours. It will stop the breathing. Victim will die between 24-36 hours.
2.4.1 Preparation and Precautions
1. Fill a jam jar to just over the half-way mark with powdered maize or corn flour.
2. Place 2 spatulas of meat or fish into the jar.
3. On this place 1.5 to 2 spatulas of fresh horse dropping (N.B. cow dropping can be used if horse is not available).
4. Fill up the jar with water and let the water soak through the maize to the bottom, then put more water until the jar is COMPLETELY FULL (very important that no air-space is left in the jar). Close the jar tightly.

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Figure 3: Meat (before)
5. Leave the jar in a dark warm (25-35oC) place for ten days. Leave it in hay, as hay stays at approximately this temperature.
6. After ten days, if the preparation has been successful, the lid will be bent from the pressure inside.

http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt325/Taipan526/2.jpg

Figure 4: Meat (after)
7. AT THIS STAGE MEDICAL GLOVES, A GAS MASK, A HEAD COVER AND A
FULL BODY COVER IS ESSENTIAL. NO PART OF THE BODY OR SKIN MUST BE
EXPOSED.
8. Open the lid very very carefully. and there will be a coffee coloured red/brown crystals (may look like a layer of liquid) on top. This will mainly be stuck to the lid and can be removed by means of a syringe (preferable) or a spatula. There will also be a little bit remaining on top of the water. There will be a PHENOMENALLY bad smell but it will not be from the substance- only from what is underneath.
9. These crystals are called Betaluminum Poison. The crystals are very refined in the shape of coffee and do not dissolve in water.
2.4.2 Results of tests
1. gm was dissolved in a ethyl alcohol. 1ml of this solution was given to a rabbit orally. It died in about ten hours.
2. The same amount was given to the rabbit but in water - it died in about 30 hours.
3. 1ml from the water underneath the substance in the jar was injected into a rabbit. It died in 12 hours.
4. 1ml was dissolved in DMSO (Di-Methyl-Sulphur-Oxide). The solution was touched onto a rabbit's skin. It died in 42 hours.
2.4.3 Notes
There is no evidence to suggest that a greater dose leads to death quicker than 12 hours. This is a biological poison i.e. bacteria- not a chemical one.
- Effects: Dizziness, extreme tiredness, headache, constipation.
- No treatment.
- Recommended use is to place a minute quantity in food, just before serving.

Alkaloid of Potato
Source: Mujahideen_Poisons
Name: Alkaloid of Potato
Appearance: Green-grey liquid
Lethal Dose: 0.06 gm
Time to Death: Less than 2 minutes
2.2.1 Preparation and Precautions:
The preparation procedure is exactly the same as for Nicotine except for the fact that the spuds on the skins of GREEN potatoes is used instead of tobacco.

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Figure 2: Alkaloid of Potato
2.2.2 Results of tests
3ml was given orally to a strong rabbit. It started shrieking immediately. Blood came out from its mouth. It died after 100 seconds.
The same dose was given to a small rabbit. It died in 7 seconds.
2.2.3 Notes
Cannot be used through the skin by itself - orally or by injection only. Orally is better.


Nicotine
Source: Mujahideen_Poisons
Name: Nicotine
Appearance: Dark brown sticky/oily liquid
Lethal Dose: 0.06gm pure but 3-4 drops for this homemade version
Time to death:12-24 hours
2.1.2 Preparation
1. Remove the tobacco from ten cigarettes of a cheap brand (more expensive brands contain less nicotine)
2. Grind the tobacco very well and then place it inside a small beaker.
3. Pour iso-propyl alcohol (in emergency burbonal can be used instead).
4. Cover the beaker with aluminium foil.
5. Place the beaker on a bunsen burner or electric fire and heat gently. DO NOT ALLOW THE ALCOHOL TO BOIL OVER. Everytime the alcohol begins to boil remove the beaker by means of tongs (holders) and then replace on the flame once the bubbles subside. The vapours of the alcohol will catch fire if not removed everytime boiling starts.
If this happens remove the beaker, blow out the flame and continue as before.
6. After one hour of heating, filter the contents of the beaker using filter paper. Throw away the residue remaining on the filter paper.
7. Evaporate the liquid obtained by placing in strong sunlight or gently heating. Nicotine remains in the dish.

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Figure 1: Nicotine
2.1.3 Precautions
Wear medical rubber gloves throughout the procedure.
2.1.4 Dosage
Ten cigarettes should be enough to kill three men, therefore 3 cigarettes is enough to kill 1 man.
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2.1.5 Results of Tests
1. The liquid was touched onto the back of the shaven neck of a rabbit (N.B. the neck was used sothat the rabbit could not lick it off). There was an immediate slowness in its movements. After 11 hours the rabbit went into a frenzy and died.
2. 2ml was given to a rabbit orally. It had the same effects as above and died after 12 hours.
2.1.6 Notes
Nicotine is a good skin penetrator -be very careful NOT TO TOUCH IT. The best way to give it orally is in strong coffee -3-4 drops from an eye dropper will be sufficient.


Source: The Poisoners Handbook
Precatory Beans
Source: The Poisoners Handbook
The phytotoxin abrin from precatory beans, also known as jequirty beans, is very similar to ricin.
http://www.drugs.com/npp/precatory-bean.html
http://image36.webshots.com/36/3/7/55/2746307550052954010EOfyXl_ph.jpg

Water Hemlock
http://www.agf.gov.bc.ca/cropprot/weedguid/waterhmlk.htm
http://www.methowconservancy.org/images/water_hemlock.jpg

Tung-Oil Tree
http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/0/1/8/0/5/5/webimg/94883904_o.jpg

Yellow Orleander
http://qjmed.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/92/9/483
http://www.floridata.com/wallpaper/jpg/Nerium_oleander800yellow.jpg


The Alkaloids
The following Plants are the most Commonly Available sources of lethal alkaloids.

Tobacco
http://www.parmaq.com/truecrime/Tobacco.htm
http://www.ndcinfrared.com/ndc/images/tobacco%20crop%20small.jpg

Yew
http://museum.gov.ns.ca/poison/default.asp?id=122&section=species
http://gallery.hd.org/_exhibits/leaves/_more2006/_more11/Yew-aka-Taxus-tree-and-bright-red-berries-in-November-in-Kingston-London-England-closeup-10-DHD.jpg

Monkshood
http://library.thinkquest.org/C007974/1_1com.htm
http://www.juneauphotos.net/images/alaska-monkshood.jpg

Zigadenus
http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/consumer/poison/Zigadsp.htm
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Zigadenus.jpeg
Potato Sprouts
Woods Hemlock
Autumn Crocus - Introduced from Europe.


Mushrooms
Death Cap (Amanita Phallcides)
Destroying Angel (Amanita Virosa)
Fool's Mushroom (Amanita verna)
Galerina Autumnalis
Venenata
Cortinarius Orellanus


Not So Poisonous Plants
Poinsettia
Holly
Wisteria
Rhubarb Leaves
Christmas Rose
Lilly-Of-The-Valley
Lupine
Mistletoe (More dangerous)
Fly Agric


Animal Toxins
U.S snakes
Copperhead
Cotton Mouth
Coral Snake
Rattlesnake - Best type - Eastern or Western Diamond Back


Spiders
Black Widow - Not as lethal as though unless against children elderly or the sick.


Scorpions
Centruroides Exilicauda - Arizona Area


Tetrodoxin
Comes from the egg sac of the female Tetraondontidae.


Tarichatoxin
Is secreted from the skin of the California newt Tarcha Torosa.


Batrachotoxin
Kokoi Frog of South and Central America release a toxin ten times as deadly as tetrodoxin and identical in its effects.



Torrents

NBC Related Material Collection (Nuclear Biological Chemical Weapons Safety)
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4132893/NBC_Related_Material_Collection_(Safety_Measures_a nd_Protection)

Assorted Nastiest
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3808373/Assorted_Nasties_(Poison_How-To)

Al

http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?p=266357#post266357


Nice! good info!:lsd: http://www.mypixshare.net/files/img/user_uploads/displayimage.php?id=ikpiw6az3bi89093239.gif