ATTN: JFLC

[IWD]

What do you have to say about the welfare system? The people that drink Coca-Cola all day while chainsmoking, all while getting paid to live for free while the rest of us have to work and money comes off of our paycheques to support them?

Single mothers getting baby bonuses and saying things like "Sweet, baby bonus coming in tomorrow! Gonna get me a fat QP of weed!"

What do you think about people like this? I'm surrounded by it. If not welfare than disability. It disgusts me. I guess I just have the feeling you might feel the same way and I would be satisfied to hear someone else say it.

[felonious_monk]

of course anyone who thinks at all is disgusted by it. like not trying 2 speak for jflc ok so hey how r u doing IWD?????

[IWD]

of course anyone who thinks at all is disgusted by it. like not trying 2 speak for jflc ok so hey how r u doing IWD?????

Not bad, you?

[felonious_monk]

Not bad I hope u r doin well with staying off meth

[Struwwelpeter]

There was a point in my life where I detested the existence of welfare programs. I won't go in to detail about what it was that I disliked about them, but I will say that my resistance to them was based on a reasoning that differs from the norm. However, several life-changing events that I experienced from 2009-2010 led me to reconsider my outlook the world. After about a year of reminiscing and deep thinking I began to formulate an entirely new system of values and my focus shifted in a different direction. The new system that I created for myself revolved around the advancement of technology (or at least many forms of it) as well strong bureaucratic government, both of which I felt were changing the world for the worst.

I now have a positive opinion of welfare, even though I am disgusted by mainstream welfare culture just as you are. If taxpayer money is not spent on welfare, where else will it go? It will go straight to the sorts of things that I dislike: funding for science projects, education, infrastructure, more licensing bureaus, more freedom-destroying gadgets and gizmos for government entities, lower-level government jobs, etc. It only helped me to adopt this position when I saw many self-described Communists admit that they were opposed to the giving of welfare to people who would clearly never make any effort to improve their condition and integrate as productive members of society. And that is exactly the kind of welfare that I support.

As you can tell, I support welfare specifically because I am a conservative, not because I have any real concern for the poor. I have found that the biggest liberals in this country are the ones who call themselves "conservatives." The economic decline of the past few years has allowed anyone who takes a look to see with clarity that there is really not that big of a difference between the left wing and the right wing. They are all Communists. The left wing people are soft Communists and the right wing people are hard, militaristic Communists. On social issues they are one in the same. But I subscribe to something that transcends the values of Communism, and never forget that Communism is nothing is a juvenile way of life that is personified by visions of the dirt scum of 'humanity' rising up from a dark lagoon and crafting from natural materials weapons and monsters which they intend to use to destroy Nature and this planet and any sort of beauty where it may exist. I subscribe to and internalize something called Total Freedom and if you don't want humans to have a monopoly on control over Nature and if you don't like the arrogance and the depravity of modern society then you are a comrade of mine.

[IWD]

There was a point in my life where I detested the existence of welfare programs. I won't go in to detail about what it was that I disliked about them, but I will say that my resistance to them was based on a reasoning that differs from the norm. However, several life-changing events that I experienced from 2009-2010 led me to reconsider my outlook the world. After about a year of reminiscing and deep thinking I began to formulate an entirely new system of values and my focus shifted in a different direction. The new system that I created for myself revolved around the advancement of technology (or at least many forms of it) as well strong bureaucratic government, both of which I felt were changing the world for the worst.

I now have a positive opinion of welfare, even though I am disgusted by mainstream welfare culture just as you are. If taxpayer money is not spent on welfare, where else will it go? It will go straight to the sorts of things that I dislike: funding for science projects, education, infrastructure, more licensing bureaus, more freedom-destroying gadgets and gizmos for government entities, lower-level government jobs, etc. It only helped me to adopt this position when I saw many self-described Communists admit that they were opposed to the giving of welfare to people who would clearly never make any effort to improve their condition and integrate as productive members of society. And that is exactly the kind of welfare that I support.

As you can tell, I support welfare specifically because I am a conservative, not because I have any real concern for the poor. I have found that the biggest liberals in this country are the ones who call themselves "conservatives." The economic decline of the past few years has allowed anyone who takes a look to see with clarity that there is really not that big of a difference between the left wing and the right wing. They are all Communists. The left wing people are soft Communists and the right wing people are hard, militaristic Communists. On social issues they are one in the same. But I subscribe to something that transcends the values of Communism, and never forget that Communism is nothing is a juvenile way of life that is personified by visions of the dirt scum of 'humanity' rising up from a dark lagoon and crafting from natural materials weapons and monsters which they intend to use to destroy Nature and this planet and any sort of beauty where it may exist. I subscribe to and internalize something called Total Freedom and if you don't want humans to have a monopoly on control over Nature and if you don't like the arrogance and the depravity of modern society then you are a comrade of mine.

Wow. I'm really impressed with this response. I don't even really know what to say. Thanks for sharing your views. Whether everything you say is serious or not, you definitely know your shit. Maybe YOU should be a politician?

[IWD]

Not bad I hope u r doin well with staying off meth

Haha yeah man, it's not me that has the meth problem. It's everyone else in this fucking area. Mine was always with painkillers, but I decided being addicted to any sort of a drug is for losers. No grey areas. I've quit hanging out with most people I know, and I've been completely sober. I'm definitely depressed as hell though, but it should pass.

[Fetus-Smasher]

Haha yeah man, it's not me that has the meth problem. It's everyone else in this fucking area. Mine was always with painkillers, but I decided being addicted to any sort of a drug is for losers. No grey areas. I've quit hanging out with most people I know, and I've been completely sober. I'm definitely depressed as hell though, but it should pass.

Good for you. Glad to hear it.

[IWD]

Good for you. Glad to hear it.

I'm dead inside. :(

[The Methematician]

......If taxpayer money is not spent on welfare, where else will it go? It will go straight to the sorts of things that I dislike: funding for science projects, education, infrastructure, more licensing bureaus, more freedom-destroying gadgets and gizmos for government entities, lower-level government jobs, etc. .......

War, it will be seen, accomplishes the necessary destruction, but
accomplishes it in a psychologically acceptable way. In principle it would
be quite simple to waste the surplus labour of the world by building
temples and pyramids, by digging holes and filling them up again, or even
by producing vast quantities of goods and then setting fire to them. But
this would provide only the economic and not the emotional basis for a
hierarchical society. What is concerned here is not the morale of masses,
whose attitude is unimportant so long as they are kept steadily at work,

Welfare is the new war.

[King of the world]

I have found that the biggest liberals in this country are the ones who call themselves "conservatives."

Too fucking right. I've commented about this issue on this website before and it deserves mention here again. A conservative government could not slowly reform society in its image if progress was irreconcilable. The conservative would not be able to effectively remodel society without a concept of progress as a transformative agent. The true conservative believes in adapting or perishing, because our existence is governed by a crude social Darwinism where survival of the fittest is the name of the game. The conservative is first and foremost, a realist who must respond logically to the course of historical development within his own social and cultural milieu.

Conservative theory should be based on objective reality and reinforced by hard empirical data. There is no 'civilization and progress' if the only outcome is hysteria and downgoing. Government and law are worthless if their ripened harvests are men without sap. It depends whether you adhere to the traditionalism of Burke or the conservatism of Prince von Metternich. The latter definition states that in a constantly changing world, conservative theory should be based on objective reality and reinforced by hard empirical data. I believe in gradual change in society.

It is a shame that referring to yourself as a conservative envokes a lot of confusion. This stems mostly from the misdefinition of classical liberalism as "conservative." We must do what we can at every opportunity to bring conservatism back under the banner of what it really is and once again give true meaning to the word.

While I am a fascist, I firmly hold myself in a traditional heritage and political structure. I do not see conservatism and fascism in direct opposition to each other, I don't mean "conservative" in an issue-based manner but as a political structure, which we seek to modernize economically to deal with the realities of an industrial society. Most "conservatives" are, by definition, classical liberals; supercapitalists who worship money as god, at the displacement of integrity, the environment, race integrity, national pride and at the expense of causing unnecessary war and conflict.

I believe economic conservatism should be torn down in favour of state capitalism, which is where our views will probably differ slightly. I'm for a strong government and dictatorship, but that's no good if it is leftist.

[IWD]

King of the world:

I haven't really noticed you around here much, but I'll watch out for your posts from now on and make sure to give them a read.

[iMagiNation]

ITT: trolls trolling trolls being trolled by gnomes.

[The Methematician]

Welfare is the new war.

24hours on and still no reply ??? Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy ... I'm seriously .. severely disappointed with you.

I thought your original. I thought your brilliance (cos Rolf somehow ended inside you or something like that) and I thought your the kind of guy that will think none had thought before ....

But sadly and in this thread you'd proven yourself to be otherwise. Your years of reminiscing and thoughts of great depth turns out to be nothing but the dead and dugout body of a weltanschauung of another great mind once lived and breathed

George Orwell ....

Your so-called "new" outlook on welfare is nothing but his old outlook on war .... recycled ... repainted with modern colors .... and refurbished and repacked with recycled "green" materials perhaps .... but its nothing new.

I expect more from you.