Rape of Nanking

[whocares]

The Japanese is sick... mass rape, mass ultra violence, sick contests, and to top it off the Japanese government denies it ever happened.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_C7tU8cKHb2A/TQgFLcUik_I/AAAAAAAAABI/VuaUunc35c8/s1600/59470595_d5d216e557_o.jpg
Human mutilations

http://edu.glogster.com/media/3/13/90/72/13907213.jpg
Human bayonet practice

http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/12.12.96/gifs/china2-9650.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/Contest_To_Cut_Down_100_People.jpg
Contest to kill 100 people using a sword

http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/12.12.96/gifs/china4-9650.jpg
A woman who had been gang-raped by Japanese soldiers (the photo was confiscated from a captured Japanese solider).

http://www.nanking-massacre.com/content_images/nanking_massacre_Rape_of_nanking_killing_children. jpg
Dead babies and disrupted fetuses.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/34/Rape-of-nanking-cover.gif
Even the author of this book committed suicide due to constant pressure and paranoia from Japanese officials and the FBI.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

[Dionysus]

So what is there possibly to say in this thread? Woopty fucking doo.

[DiStOrTiOn]

lol who cares the chinese are worthless anyway

however, it is nice to know that the japanese were sickos before we dropped a couple nukes on them

[Tachosomoza]

Throughout every conflict in human history, there have been atrocities. It's in our nature, we're fucking bloodthirsty, violent, vicious animals, for crissakes.

[Rolf]

There is little need to admit to it; the crime did not happen to Jews or Americans, notes Rolf.

[Sir Cornwell]

Human sacrifice of the unwilling is not a lost tradition.

It's alive and kicking today. When was the last time your country performed it?

[takedrugs_killpeople]

So what is there possibly to say in this thread? Woopty fucking doo.

lol

[whocares]

Throughout every conflict in human history, there have been atrocities. It's in our nature, we're fucking bloodthirsty, violent, vicious animals, for crissakes.

No shit, the sick part is that the Japanese denies it ever happened and excludes it in their history books.

[Ethan]

http://www.nanking-massacre.com/content_images/nanking_massacre_Rape_of_nanking_killing_children. jpg
Dead babies and disrupted fetuses.


Who else looked at this image and didn't feel a thing? We are sick, people. Sick!

I think I'll print this out and frame it, then cover it in black silk. Whenever I remove the silk I'll meditate upon it, until I can appreciate the immense brutality and horror of one of the world's lowest points.

[Sir Cornwell]

No shit, the sick part is that the Japanese denies it ever happened and excludes it in their history books.

And the US, with their pressing need to demonstrate to the entire world that they were as hard as they needed to be.

Maintain without reflection or discussion that both H. & N. needed to be bombed with neutrons and radiation at the end of WW2.

To give the demons their due, perhaps Japan was already ready to surrender, but others may have had their plans. Bombing might not have been necessary for the Japanese. It was a good lesson to Russia and China though. :D

[Dionysus]

Who else looked at this image and didn't feel a thing? We are sick, people. Sick!

I think I'll print this out and frame it, then cover it in black silk. Whenever I remove the silk I'll meditate upon it, until I can appreciate the immense brutality and horror of one of the world's lowest points.

By appreciate I assume you mean cut yourself while you jack off.

[Star Wars Fan]

The Japanese is sick... mass rape, mass ultra violence, sick contests, and to top it off the Japanese government denies it ever happened.


Care to explain all those apologies even world war II japanese officers, including TOJO did for their actions in the East Asia war?


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/34/Rape-of-nanking-cover.gif
Even the author of this book committed suicide due to constant pressure and paranoia from Japanese officials and the FBI.


Japanese Officials did NOT make her kill herself. I'm going to laugh if you'll claim the Ya-Ku-Za and some Uyoku went to the USA to harass her to death,

[Rolf]

SWF defending Imperial Japanese now, who is surprised? asks Rolf curiously.

[DiStOrTiOn]

A large portion of rapes were systematized in a process where soldiers would search door-to-door for young girls, with many women taken captive and gang raped.[39] The women were often killed immediately after the rape, often through explicit mutilation[40] or by stabbing a bayonet, long stick of bamboo,[41] or other objects into the vagina. Young children were not exempt from these atrocities, and were cut open to allow Japanese soldiers to rape them.


damn that is badass

[007GoldenShower]

Yuuuu ostraya kunt

u end yoorr america friend di not win da warrrrr. Nihon win da war, u not win da warrrr.

[whocares]

Care to explain all those apologies even world war II japanese officers, including TOJO did for their actions in the East Asia war?



Japanese Officials did NOT make her kill herself. I'm going to laugh if you'll claim the Ya-Ku-Za and some Uyoku went to the USA to harass her to death,

Bro, she killed herself due to a huge threats from ultra nationalists.

And no bro, they still vehemently deny it. Care to explain why the Japanese translation of the book was heavily delayed?

An accurate estimation of the death toll in the massacre has not been achieved because most of the Japanese military records on the killings were deliberately destroyed or kept secret shortly after the surrender of Japan in 1945.
Although the Japanese government has admitted the acts of killing of a large number of noncombatants, looting and other violence committed by the Imperial Japanese Army after the fall of Nanking,[8][9] some Japanese officials have argued that the death toll was military in nature and that no such crimes ever occurred. Denial of the massacre (and a divergent array of revisionist accounts of the killings) has become a staple of Japanese nationalism.[10] In Japan, public opinion of the massacres varies, and few deny the occurrence of the massacre outright.[10] Nonetheless, recurring attempts by negationists to promote a revisionist history of the incident have created controversy that periodically reverberates in the international media, particularly in China, South Korea, and other East Asian nations.[11]

[Ethan]

By appreciate I assume you mean cut yourself while you jack off.

Low blow.

[Star Wars Fan]

lol who cares the chinese

Yes. Expect a possibility of a second East Asia War from pissed-off Chinese nationalists. At least, expect China to use their economic wealth and resources on Japan disproportionately due to historical butthurt.

So what is there possibly to say in this thread? Woopty fucking doo.

Japanese actions and practices during the second sino-japanese war/greater east asia war and how they relate to modern day political issues between the japanese and taiwanese, koreans and mainland chinese.

No shit, the sick part is that the Japanese denies it ever happened and excludes it in their history books.

Japanese history texts do admit the Japanese were excessively violent in their actions in East Asia. The modern-day Japanese do NOT cover up their history.

To give the demons their due, perhaps Japan was already ready to surrender, but others may have had their plans. Bombing might not have been necessary for the Japanese. It was a good lesson to Russia and China though. :D

Japan wanted peace as early as fucking Midway and the Japanese did not want war against the USA. The Japanese saw themselves being set up by the United States to be forced into war with the US, and they did not like it. The fault is not entirely Imperial Japan's.

[whocares]

Japanese history texts do admit the Japanese were excessively violent in their actions in East Asia. The modern-day Japanese do NOT cover up their history.


"When [the Allied Powers] opened the so-called Tokyo war-crimes tribunal [after World War II], they needed evidence that Japan committed greater atrocities [than the Tokyo air raids and use of atomic bombs], so they made up the so-called Nanjing Massacre, which was completely unfounded," declares Mr. Kase, chair of the Committee for the Examination of the Facts about Nanjing.

Satoru Mizushima, the director of "The Truth of Nanjing," a soon-to-be-released film supported by such politicians as conservative Tokyo Gov. Shintaro Ishihara, echoes Kase, who served as a special adviser to two past prime ministers. Nanjing, he says, was a "fabrication, a campaign of Communist China."

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1214/p04s01-woap.html

Really?

[Star Wars Fan]

Bro, she killed herself due to a huge threats from ultra nationalists.

And no bro, they still vehemently deny it. Care to explain why the Japanese translation of the book was heavily delayed?

Given there were Japanese soldiers in the 1950s who recorded their actions (books on the "three alls" policy in northern china against the chinese communists), I'm going to say 'no they do not vehemently deny it'.

There are plenty of officials and uyoku as you said who do that but they are not all of japan. The average Japanese person is not a WWII-denying ultranationalist.

The Japanese are also not the ONLY people who point out that a decent portion of the deaths are not done by the japanese (the bolded part). The Chinese Nationalists were reported to have fucked up the retreat and shot several of their soldiers during the rout of the battle of nanking. And that's something Iris Chang writes about in her novel, "Rape of Nanking". The scorched earth of the nationalists are also a factor

P.S. here is a list of apologies the japanese gave. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan)

What's what about the Japanese not apologizing or denying their WWII actions?

Really?

Ishihara is a douche who has said a bunch of stupid shit before.

[Tachosomoza]

No shit, the sick part is that the Japanese denies it ever happened and excludes it in their history books.

Yeah, and the US excluded the atrocities against the Native Americans from our history books for a century. The winner writes the history.

[Dionysus]

Japanese actions and practices during the second sino-japanese war/greater east asia war and how they relate to modern day political issues between the japanese and taiwanese, koreans and mainland chinese.


Okay.

Trying to moralize or contextualize historical events is the height of futility, particularly events that happened 70 years ago during a world war. I think history is largely used as a weapon for present day ideological agenda's, almost all of which are nonsense anyway. The fact that Japan tries to sanitize it is just as stupid as the rest of the world holding the Japanese responsible. I can't talk about politics because I don't give a fuck about it. I couldn't care less if they all killed each other over the incident, since it would rid the world of yet more dumbass humanity.

[Ethan]

American Concentration Camps (http://issuesandalibis.org/campsa.html)

Not as bad as the disrupted fetuses of women raped in stab wounds, but does this comparison need to be made? I doubt myself.

Here's a reality check. Japanese people of today are not the Japanese people of 65 years ago. Governments aren't people. Governments are self perpetuating machines with useful idiots pulling the switches.

Citizens are people are humans.

For the depressed:
http://www.thingstobehappyabout.com/

[whocares]

Given there were Japanese soldiers in the 1950s who recorded their actions (books on the "three alls" policy in northern china against the chinese communists), I'm going to say 'no they do not vehemently deny it'.

There are plenty of officials and uyoku as you said who do that but they are not all of japan. The average Japanese person is not a WWII-denying ultranationalist.

The Japanese are also not the ONLY people who point out that a decent portion of the deaths are not dune by the japanese (the bolded part). The Chinese Nationalists were reported to have fucked up the retreat and shot several of their soldiers during the rout of the battle of nanking. And that's something Iris Chang writes about in her novel, "Rape of Nanking"

P.S. here is a list of apologies the japanese gave. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan)

What's what about the Japanese not apologizing for their WWII actions?

If the Japanese are admitting to it now, they are only doing so because they have been caught in a lie a thousand times and have no choice but to admit to it.

Proof:
Last week, the Japanese company Kashiwashobo announced that it had canceled plans to publish Chinese-American journalist Iris Chang’s “The Rape of Nanking” in Japan. Chang’s critically acclaimed 1997 history of the atrocities the Japanese Army committed during its occupation of Nanking in 1937 had already stirred debate in Japan. Basic Books, Chang’s American publisher, issued a statement saying that it could not come to an agreement regarding changes that Kashiwashobo had requested in the text and photographs. Chang, who maintains that these requests are the result of pressure on Kashiwashobo from “ultranationalist” organizations in Japan, refused to make the alterations.

Proof:
In the 1950’s as the Japanese Education Ministry regained its power, it banned one-third of all Japanese textbooks, and omitted any reference to the Nanking atrocity in the remaining Japanese textbooks. This effectively erased the Nanking atrocity from Japanese history for almost 20 years. The Education Ministry legitimized their actions by saying that there was no evidence supporting the Chinese claim that 300,000 people were killed at Nanking.

What, why delay Japanese translation? Why ban 1/3 of all Japanese textbooks, denying the Nanking rape?

[whocares]

Yeah, and the US excluded the atrocities against the Native Americans from our history books for a century. The winner writes the history.

The US still teaches Native American history and don't DENY the incident, like the Japanese. Derp.

[Star Wars Fan]

American Concentration Camps (http://issuesandalibis.org/campsa.html)

Not as bad as the disrupted fetuses of women raped in stab wounds, but does this comparison need to be made? I doubt myself.


Yes the comparison needs to be made as WWII white america was pretty fucking uncivilized in its' own regards, killing surrendering soldiers and exterminating cities with weapons of mass destruction & then complaining about the Japanese for their excesses when trying to liberate other Asians from white colonialism.

If the Japanese are admitting to it now, they are only doing so because they have been caught in a lie a thousand times and have no choice but to admit to it.

Proof:


Proof:


What, why delay Japanese translation? Why ban 1/3 of all Japanese textbooks, denying the Nanking rape?

Tojo admitted at the end of WWII when he knew the Allies were going to EXECUTE HIM that he takes responsibility for the excesses of the second world war Japan conducted. If the fucking OFFICERS and the EMPEROR HIMSELF, the representative of the japanese nation went and apologized for WWII, then yes they admit they did a lot of bad in the war.

EDIT: those banning of the nanjing incident happened because, well the japanese were trying to reassert their control and were still haunted and traumatized by their defeat in WWII. They believed that they literally were the good side and were still full of a lot of social conflict over bring conquered. It doesn't make it good that they tried restricting the data and what happened, but it is what happened. And even with that the Japanese apologized for their excesses in China.

[whocares]

Yes the comparison needs to be made as WWII white america was pretty fucking uncivilized in its' own regards, killing surrendering soldiers and exterminating cities with weapons of mass destruction & then complaining about the Japanese for their excesses when trying to liberate other Asians from white colonialism.



Tojo admitted at the end of WWII when he knew the Allies were going to EXECUTE HIM that he takes responsibility for the excesses of the second world war Japan conducted. If the fucking OFFICERS and the EMPEROR HIMSELF, the representative of the japanese nation went and apologized for WWII, then yes they admit they did a lot of bad in the war.

Explain why the Rape of Nanking is heavily omitted from Japanese history books?

[Tachosomoza]

The US still teaches Native American history and don't DENY the incident, like the Japanese. Derp.

We denied the Indian incidents for years, whocares. And let's not forget the suffering of the Japanese in internment camps, or the mistreatment of African-American/Asian/Latino soldiers in WWII. These incidents had to be FORCED into our nation's history books.

[whocares]

EDIT: those banning of the nanjing incident happened because, well the japanese were trying to reassert their control and were still haunted and traumatized by their defeat in WWII. They believed that they literally were the good side and were still full of a lot of social conflict over bring conquered. It doesn't make it good that they tried restricting the data and what happened, but it is what happened. And even with that the Japanese apologized for their excesses in China.

Yeah bro, try to justify their actions because they were "haunted and traumatized". :facepalm:

[Star Wars Fan]

Explain why the Rape of Nanking is heavily omitted from Japanese history books?

Collective issues with the second world war and the fact that they were so badly crushed by the allied powers in the war.

The US still teaches Native American history and don't DENY the incident, like the Japanese. Derp.

White America didn't report on re-enslaving black americans post-civil war to WWII, nor does it report on pogroms like Rosewood. Black Americans reported on those and reported on it via their media and cultural organizations to bring those to life.

[whocares]

We denied the Indian incidents for years, whocares. And let's not forget the suffering of the Japanese in internment camps, or the mistreatment of African-American/Asian/Latino soldiers in WWII. These incidents had to be FORCED into our nation's history books.

When did we deny Indian incidents? If you went to a university, you would know that we openly discuss the suffering of Indians, African Americans, Asians, whoever. We don't deny them in our history books, why should the Japanese?

[Star Wars Fan]

Yeah bro, try to justify their actions because they were "haunted and traumatized". :facepalm:

I'd like to see how well you'd react to having your country destroyed in front of your very eyes, have experimental weapons tested on you, see your people starving to death and bombed to utter shit and be humiliated and told that your side was the "Wrong" side when you believed what you were doing was the right thing, and then to have the representative of your people defiled. The Japanese people acted REALLY damn calm after all of that.

[whocares]

White America didn't report on re-enslaving black americans post-civil war to WWII, nor does it report on pogroms like Rosewood. Black Americans reported on those and reported on it via their media and cultural organizations to bring those to life.

Bro, we have photos, stories, and history to back up these claims.

[La Paz]

The Chinese seem to be back on their feet now. All's well that ends well.

[whocares]

I'd like to see how well you'd react to having your country destroyed in front of your very eyes, see your people starving to death and bombed to utter shit and be humuliated and told that your side was the "Wrong" side, and then to have the representative of your people defiled.

Are you saying just because they lost moral, it's justifiable?

[Jive Talka]

The US still teaches Native American history and don't DENY the incident, like the Japanese. Derp.

Hell, all you have to do is visit a reservation and you'll see how bad off most of them are.

Feels bat man. :(

[Star Wars Fan]

Bro, we have photos, stories, and history to back up these claims.

Yeah. Black americans reported on it and white americans tried covering it up (again, Rosewood and reensalvement of blacks in prison systems until the 1940s in the southeast USA). And again, Jefferson and his slave mistrsses.

Are you saying just because they lost moral, it's justifiable?

No, but understandable. And again, the Japanese nationalists would say it IS justifiable.

When did we deny Indian incidents? If you went to a university, you would know that we openly discuss the suffering of Indians, African Americans, Asians, whoever. We don't deny them in our history books, why should the Japanese?

1: Again, pogroms and re-enslaving of black americans. they covered that up. Hell, you see an underemphasization of black resistance to slavery (e.g. the Seminole war). They were pretty damn effective in suppressing that in that time and still up to now. They did not reveal Jefferson's children by black slaves either until blacks brought it up

2: (to bolded part) Because the united states was not crushed overwhelmingly in a war. The confederate regionalists do the same damn thing, they underfocus on USCT being massacred or re-enslaved during the first US civil war.

[whocares]

Hell, all you have to do is visit a reservation and you'll see how bad off most of them are.

Feels bat man. :(

We still don't deny these accusations, and we've at least given Indians casino reservations, where it's basically a money generator.

[whocares]

Yeah. Black americans reported on it and white americans tried covering it up (again, Rosewood and reensalvement of blacks in prison systems until the 1940s in the southeast USA). And again, Jefferson and hi sslave mistrsses.



No, but understandable



1: Again, pogroms and re-enslaving of black americans. they covered that up. Hell, you see an underemphasization of black resistance to slavery (e.g. the Seminole war). They were pretty damn effective in suppressing that in that time and still up to now. They did not reveal Jefferson's children by black slaves either until blacks brought it up

2: (to bolded part) Because the united states was not crushed overwhelmingly in a war. The confederate regionalists do the same damn thing, they underfocus on USCT being massacred or re-enslaved during the first US civil war.

Bro, do you see any white historians denying slavery the same way Japanese historians deny Nanking today?

[Star Wars Fan]

Bro, do you see any white historians denying slavery the same way Japanese historians deny Nanking today?

No. But....

Erm, which japanese historians? Those examples you mention are politicians not historians.

And remember you still have people like David Irving for the actions of Nazi Germany who were pretty respected historians (still are)

[Cory]

InB4 Weaboos apologize for this.... oh wait. :o

Yes the comparison needs to be made as WWII white america was pretty fucking uncivilized in its' own regards, killing surrendering soldiers and exterminating cities with weapons of mass destruction

The actions of the Americans in WWII do not compare to these type of actions that quite frankly the Japanese were known for doing all over Asia, not just Nanking. Killing surrendering soldiers, although bad, is something that happens in the heat of battle often times. Also there is a difference between stratigec bombing against industrial centers making arms for the enemy and the systematic brutalization of entire populations just for the hell of it.

This is stuff that even the Soviets entering Germany had the decency not to do. And everyone knows how they were.

then complaining about the Japanese for their excesses when trying to liberate other Asians from white colonialism.

C'mon SWF. You're one of the smarter people on these forums and I like engaging with you on intelligent topics here often, but you simply can't seriously think the Japanese were intrested in the genuine liberation of the Asian peoples. Surely you realize that many of the Communist movement in the region began as anti-Japanese partisan groups.

Tojo admitted at the end of WWII when he knew the Allies were going to EXECUTE HIM that he takes responsibility for the excesses of the second world war Japan conducted. If the fucking OFFICERS and the EMPEROR HIMSELF, the representative of the japanese nation went and apologized for WWII, then yes they admit they did a lot of bad in the war.

C'mon. Tojo wasn't "sorry" for nanking/others. He was sorry he lost the war. At least many of the Nazis had the moxy to get up and say "Yeah, we did it and liked every fucking second of it".

[whocares]

No. But....

Erm, which japanese historians? Those examples you mention are politicians not historians.

And remember you still have people like David Irving for the actions of Nazi Germany who were pretty respected historians (still are)

Chang's book was not published in a translated Japanese language edition until December 2007. Problems with translation efforts surfaced immediately after a contract was signed for the Japanese publishing of the book. A Japanese literary agency informed Chang that several Japanese historians declined to review the translation, and that one professor backed out due to pressure placed on his family from "an unknown organization".

Hmm.. I wonder why.

[Star Wars Fan]

Chang's book was not published in a translated Japanese language edition until December 2007. Problems with translation efforts surfaced immediately after a contract was signed for the Japanese publishing of the book. A Japanese literary agency informed Chang that several Japanese historians declined to review the translation, and that one professor backed out due to pressure placed on his family from "an unknown organization".

Hmm.. I wonder why.

Yakuza threats. (Yakuza tend to team up with rightist groups in Japan, at least AFTER WWII. I believe pre-WWII they were suppressed more effectively - and the rightist groups were more 'pure' - more of being ideological fascists or natioaslists and not being as corrupted by Yakuza )

[whocares]

Cory's right. The Japanese did not only deny the Nanking Massacre. They pretty much denied anything that doesn't show them in positive light.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_history_textbook_controversies

[whocares]

Yakuza threats. (Yakuza tend to team up with rightist groups in Japan, at least AFTER WWII. I believe pre-WWII they were suppressed more effectively - and the rightist groups were more 'pure' - more of being ideological fascists or natioaslists and not being as corrupted by Yakuza )

I'm going to laugh if you'll claim the Ya-Ku-Za and some Uyoku went to harass them to death. Sounds more like ultra nationalist Japanese officials threatened them.

[Star Wars Fan]

InB4 Weaboos apologize for this.... oh wait. :o

Ganbaru, Nippon!

The actions of the Americans in WWII do not compare to these type of actions that quite frankly the Japanese were known for doing all over Asia, not just Nanking. Killing surrendering soldiers, although bad, is something that happens in the heat of battle often times. Also there is a difference between stratigec bombing against industrial centers making arms for the enemy and the systematic brutalization of entire populations just for the hell of it.

The Japanese military did not brutalize populations just for the hell of it. If that was true Homma would not have rescinded those orders to shoot filipino POWs among other things and Yamashita would not have acted to prevented the lawlessness by Japanese soldiers in Singapore after the city surrendered to the Japanese.

Again, I admit the Japanese did plenty of excesses in the East Asia War. It's hard to deny that lol.


This is stuff that even the Soviets entering Germany had the decency not to do. And everyone knows how they were.


Za Rodinu :p


C'mon SWF. You're one of the smarter people on these forums and I like engaging with you on intelligent topics here often, but you simply can't seriously think the Japanese were intrested in the genuine liberation of the Asian peoples. Surely you realize that many of the Communist movement in the region began as anti-Japanese partisan groups.

Yes many communists were originally anti-japanese, but there were other cases of Japanese soldiers who assisted the chinese communists after the surrender to the allies. I cannot see the Japanese actions as purely driven for resources and control, remember there were Japanese dreams of pan-asianism actually before the contact with Perry's fleet. I cannot say that the idealistic officers who were trying to overthrow the (civilian) government of Japan, nor the fascists, nor the various other groups who were legitimately paranoid over the Soviet Union and the actions of european colonialists in other parts of Asia were only interested in power and control, and not out of some sort of sense of fear or righteous anger that gripped the chinese when they had the boxer rebellion or the may fourth movement.

The Asians themselves, even those who hated the Japanese and were brutalized by their excesses often saw this as a race war between the white countries and the yellow races. Other races, including black intellectuals of the era saw it as a race war and a war of liberation, and said China was in its' shitpile because it allied with european powers for help instead of japan.


C'mon. Tojo wasn't "sorry" for nanking/others. He was sorry he lost the war. At least many of the Nazis had the moxy to get up and say "Yeah, we did it and liked every fucking second of it".

Tojo did not have a plan on killing and expelling chinese for the "superior yamato race". The closest thing to that was settling Manchuria and POSSIBLY
Australia/New Zealand. Also Tojo's actions were not advocating killing the 'inferior race'. There is a big difference between Japanese who were not wanting lebansraum in china at all (NOT 'manchuria' which remember the han chinese considered foreigners and still had a bit of pan-han ethnic nationalism against even then) and "drive to the east expel all the slave past the urals' nazi german actions.

[thecuriousgeorge]

When did we deny Indian incidents? If you went to a university, you would know that we openly discuss the suffering of Indians, African Americans, Asians, whoever. We don't deny them in our history books, why should the Japanese?

You do realize that they're not talking about the present, right? And history books get re-written plenty of times.

[Star Wars Fan]

I'm going to laugh if you'll claim the Ya-Ku-Za and some Uyoku went to harass them to death. Sounds more like ultra nationalist Japanese officials threatened them.

In Japan the ultranationalists ARE in league with the Yakuza. The ultranationalists often use yakuza resources and aid for their ultranationalsm, and it often pisses off a lot of the nationalists. The government officials don't go around threatening people, the rightist political groups who you see going around in vehicles decked with the imperial japanese flag and whatnot are.

[Ethan]

My grandfather was in World War II. He found 5 nazis tied to trees with their dicks cut off and put in their mouthes.

The theory that Auschwitz wasn't a death camp because the water table was too high to dig mass graves is pretty interesting. Tell that to the survivors.

If you could speak Japanese I'm sure the Japanese survivors would have an interesting story to tell.

[whocares]

In Japan the ultranationalists ARE in league with the Yakuza. The ultranationalists often use yakuza resources and aid for their ultranationalsm, and it often pisses off a lot of the nationalists. The government officials don't go around threatening people, the rightist political groups who you see going around in vehicles decked with the imperial japanese flag and whatnot are.

What makes you think the Yakuza didn't threaten Iris Chang then? :facepalm:

[Star Wars Fan]

What makes you think the Yakuza didn't threaten Iris Chang then? :facepalm:

They could have, that's what I assumed when the article said "unknown organization".

Remember there was a government official (Hiroshima city mayor) who once said the Emperor had some responsibility for WWII and he got shot or stabbed by a rightist. It's not going to be government officials.

[whocares]

You do realize that they're not talking about the present, right? And history books get re-written plenty of times.

You do realize that the Nanking massacre happened 80 years ago right?

They could have, that's what I assumed when the article said "unknown organization".

Remember there was a government official (Hiroshima city mayor) who once said the Emperor had some responsibility for WWII and he got shot or stabbed by a rightist. It's not going to be government officials.

You don't even know what you're talking about, now it seems.

[The Methematician]

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ok ... i'm tired ... the rest can be found here ....

http://www.asyura2.com/0411/war61/msg/390.html

[water bottle]

It's not the Japanese who are sadistic, vicious people, it's humans in general. We're generally reasonable animals, but we really are capable of some fucked up shit under the right (or rather wrong) conditions. Every culture has events like these that are just outrageously disgusting. Though indeed Nanking was particularly nasty.

[Star Wars Fan]

You don't even know what you're talking about, now it seems.

We are discussing that government officials do not give those threats in Japan, it is yakuza who tend to do that in league with nationalists. And those nationalists often get joked about on the internet and in 'left-leaning' japanese newspapers like asahi shimbun


ok ... i'm tired ... the rest can be found here ....

http://www.asyura2.com/0411/war61/msg/390.html

Have you seen "Nanking: City of Life and Death", the chinese film on the battle and its' aftermath?

[whocares]

We are discussing that government officials do not give those threats in Japan, it is yakuza who tend to do that in league with nationalists. And those nationalists often get joked about on the internet and in 'left-leaning' japanese newspapers like asahi shimbun

If the government hires a organized group for a hit, then it's still the same. It doesn't matter who the killer is, but the person who hired the killer.

[The Methematician]

Have you seen "Nanking: City of Life and Death", the chinese film on the battle and its' aftermath?

not yet. my hdd is filled to the brim and i havent got anytime to burn out dvds so i havent got time and space to download movies like in months.

[whocares]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Chinese_to_be_beheaded_in_Nanking_Massacre.jpg/442px-Chinese_to_be_beheaded_in_Nanking_Massacre.jpg
beheading practice

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Boy_killed_in_Nanking_massacre.jpg
the boy didn't take off his hat, so this is what happened to him

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/Nanjing_Massacre_rape_killed.jpg
omg


Rape
The International Military Tribunal for the Far East estimated that 20,000 women were raped, including infants and the elderly.[38] A large portion of these rapes were systematized in a process where soldiers would search door-to-door for young girls, with many women taken captive and gang raped.[39] The women were often killed immediately after the rape, often through explicit mutilation[40] or by stabbing a bayonet, long stick of bamboo,[41] or other objects into the vagina. Young children were not exempt from these atrocities, and were cut open to allow Japanese soldiers to rape them.

There are also accounts of Japanese troops forcing families to commit acts of incest.[46] Sons were forced to rape their mothers, fathers were forced to rape daughters. One pregnant woman who was gang-raped by Japanese soldiers gave birth only a few hours later; although the baby appeared to be physically unharmed (Robert B. Edgerton, Warriors of the Rising Sun). Monks who had declared a life of celibacy were also forced to rape women.

[The Methematician]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Chinese_to_be_beheaded_in_Nanking_Massacre.jpg/442px-Chinese_to_be_beheaded_in_Nanking_Massacre.jpg
beheading practice

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Boy_killed_in_Nanking_massacre.jpg
the boy didn't take off his hat, so this is what happened to him

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/Nanjing_Massacre_rape_killed.jpg
omg

I saw a pict those jap took of an 8yeear old girl naked from waist down who're forced to spread her legs open for the camera ...

cant find it thru google img, the uncensored version that is ....

[Cory]

The Japanese military did not brutalize populations just for the hell of it.

See thread title.

If that was true Homma would not have rescinded those orders to shoot filipino POWs among other things and Yamashita would not have acted to prevented the lawlessness by Japanese soldiers in Singapore after the city surrendered to the Japanese.

A few decent acts does not a accurate narrative make. The Japanese were well known for commiting major brutalizations all across China, SE Asia, the East Indies, the Filipines, and almost everywhere else the occupied.

Riddle me this: We all know that the American occupation of Japan was more or less non-violent and 'decent', as far as occupations go. What do you think the treatment of civilians would've been like with a Japanese occupation of a major American city? Nanking 2.0.

Yes many communists were originally anti-japanese, but there were other cases of Japanese soldiers who assisted the chinese communists after the surrender to the allies.

They only did that as a last-minute "fuck you" to the Allies (esp. France).

I cannot see the Japanese actions as purely driven for resources and control, remember there were Japanese dreams of pan-asianism actually before the contact with Perry's fleet.

"Dreams" =/= serious foreign policy objectives. The only reason they went to war with China was for resources, then again they had to go to war with the West to secure the oil in the East Indies due to the American embargo (resulting from their invasion of China).

As I mentioned before, Japan was a modern industrial nation with a large population. However they had almost no natural resourced in their home islands (think oil, rubber, ect.). They needed to expand, and that's just what they did.

I cannot say that the idealistic officers who were trying to overthrow the (civilian) government of Japan,

If by them you mean the hard-core militrists who established the ultra-nationalist narrative in Japan that greatly contributed to these atrocities, and the belief in Japanese racial superiority. They were by no means "idealistic".

nor the various other groups who were legitimately paranoid over the Soviet Union and the actions of european colonialists in other parts of Asia were only interested in power and control,

They feared the Soviets and the West because Japan was a rising power and they knew that their geo-political intrests were fundementaly in contradiction with those of their neighbors. The same reason that the Soviets didn't like Japan, or the Americans ect.

The Asians themselves, even those who hated the Japanese and were brutalized by their excesses often saw this as a race war between the white countries and the yellow races.

Say that to the Chinese who helped Western pilots who were shot down and saved by them. Maybe a few so-called "intellectuals" thought that, but the broad mass of the people utterly hated the Japanese and wanted them out at all costs.

Other races, including black intellectuals of the era saw it as a race war and a war of liberation,

C'mon. They would just say whatever was against white people. They saw it that way because they wanted to see it that way.

and said China was in its' shitpile because it allied with european powers for help instead of japan.

If they think that then it proved they have little/no understanding of the situation.

Tojo did not have a plan on killing and expelling chinese for the "superior yamato race". The closest thing to that was settling Manchuria and POSSIBLY Australia/New Zealand. Also Tojo's actions were not advocating killing the 'inferior race'. There is a big difference between Japanese who were not wanting lebansraum in china at all (NOT 'manchuria' which remember the han chinese considered foreigners and still had a bit of pan-han ethnic nationalism against even then) and "drive to the east expel all the slave past the urals' nazi german actions.

Race is not the question, it's resources. Although the Japanese did not seek as a matter of policy to exterminate people based on race, they did seek to completely rape the land of it's resources to provide to the needs of their own people.

[whocares]

Is SWF Japanese? It would make sense.

[The Pat-Man]

Anyone who defends the massacre of thousands or tries to excuse it in anyway is no better than those who defend Hitler, if not worse.

[Jive Talka]

Anyone who defends the massacre of thousands or tries to excuse it in anyway is no better than those who defend Hitler, if not worse.

Yeah but this is zoklet, the trolls don't give a fuck.

Is SWF Japanese? It would make sense.

lulz, he wishes.

[The Pat-Man]

Yeah but this is zoklet, the trolls don't give a fuck.



lulz, he wishes.

I think SWF is serious though. No troll gives that much effort.

[Jive Talka]

I think SWF is serious though. No troll gives that much effort.

Yeah, but he's autistic so he gets a free pass.

[DiStOrTiOn]

I think SWF is serious though. No troll gives that much effort.

SWF is autistic so it's highly unlikely he is able to understand the sarcasm and social satire that it takes to troll.

He is just a weird nigger by nature, which makes the stupid shit he says more hilarious to read than an actual troll.

[DiStOrTiOn]

Is SWF Japanese? It would make sense.

Nah, he's only a weeabo who frequents 4chan.


he's also black and autistic. i dunno about you, but an aspie nigger weeabo is a hella funny combination

[Ethan]

Autistic people have feelings too you know. Oh wait, you trolls don't give a flying fuck. Why should I let it get to me?

[Rolf]

Is SWF Japanese? It would make sense.

No, said Lando is worse, notes Rolf. Said Lando is a Japanophile, the lowest of the low, proclaims Rolf.

Yeah, but he's autistic so he gets a free pass.

"They" didn't give Hitler a pass for being syphilitic or Stalin a pass for being Georgian, notes Rolf.

[Jive Talka]

"They" didn't give Hitler a pass for being syphilitic or Stalin a pass for being Georgian, notes Rolf.

Once again, Rolf, your voice echoes with truth.

Come, join me in a toast. :gentleman:

[DiStOrTiOn]

Autistic people have feelings too you know.

Really? The only feelings they seem to express is retard-rage and apathy. What other characteristics of a normal human being can they exhibit?

[Rolf]

Really? The only feelings they seem to express is retard-rage and apathy. What other characteristics of a normal human being can they exhibit?

Said aspies tend to scream occasionally if one places them in a small bird cage, notes Rolf. Normal people sometimes do this too, adds Rolf.

[Ethan]

Really? The only feelings they seem to express is retard-rage and apathy. What other characteristics of a normal human being can they exhibit?

In My Language - YouTube

Go ahead and laugh, but be sure to listen to the second part, where the woman uses a computer voice to communicate her very different perception of the world in the english language. 3:14

[DiStOrTiOn]

In My Language - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnylM1hI2jc)

Go ahead and laugh, but be sure to listen to the second part, where the woman uses a computer voice to communicate her very different perception of the world in the english language. 3:14

I fucking LOL'd hard

[Rolf]

I fucking LOL'd hard

That voice just made it much funnier, proclaims Rolf in agreement.

[Ethan]

I fucking LOL'd hard

This is apathy. If I wanted to define retard-rage I could point to hundreds of your posts.

This sort of attitude allows global climate to build up to the fever pitch of mass rape and genocide.

[DiStOrTiOn]

This is apathy. If I wanted to define retard-rage I could point to hundreds of your posts.


Laughter is apathy?

What kind of alternative dimension do you live in? fucking hippie

[Ethan]

Laughter is apathy?

What kind of alternative dimension do you live in? fucking hippie

apathy: noun
Complete lack of emotion or motivation about a person, activity, or object; depression; lack of interest or enthusiasm; disinterest

"How is laughter a complete lack of emotion?? (you fucking retard!)"
But wait, there's more!

apathetic: adjective
Void of feeling; not susceptible of deep emotion; passionless; indifferent.

Its not hard to imagine what your laughter sounds like. It probably sounds more like a mother grieving than an expression of joy when you listen with your heart!

"What the fuck are you talking about? Go eat some acid and kill yourself for God's sake."

This is what I'm talking about. Next time you laugh, observe. It is more of an emergency release valve than an expression of true happiness.

"You don't know me! You don't know anything about me!"

It doesn't take an expert to recognize that you're deeply conflicted. This deadening of compassion, this judgemental and vindictive attitude, fuels the fire of hatred ultimately contributes to mass death.

Now fight over brass tacks because I won't shoehorn the word "apathy" into its literal definition, when we both know damn well what I'm saying makes sense.

[DiStOrTiOn]

apathy: noun
Complete lack of emotion or motivation about a person, activity, or object; depression; lack of interest or enthusiasm; disinterest

"How is laughter a complete lack of emotion?? (you fucking retard!)"
But wait, there's more!

apathetic: adjective
Void of feeling; not susceptible of deep emotion; passionless; indifferent.

Its not hard to imagine what your laughter sounds like. It probably sounds more like a mother grieving than an expression of joy when you listen with your heart!

"What the fuck are you talking about? Go eat some acid and kill yourself for God's sake."

This is what I'm talking about. Next time you laugh, observe. It is more of an emergency release valve than an expression of true happiness.

"You don't know me! You don't know anything about me!"

It doesn't take an expert to recognize that you're deeply conflicted. This deadening of compassion, this judgemental and vindictive attitude, fuels the fire of hatred ultimately contributes to mass death.

Now fight over brass tacks because I won't shoehorn the word "apathy" into its literal definition, when we both know damn well what I'm saying makes sense.

LOL, nope.

[adhesive tape]

Meanwhile every high school/college teacher teaches students how "bad" America is for putting Japs in internment camps during ww2, and how we are the fucked up ones...

[Jive Talka]

Well, it was "bad".

[The Pat-Man]

Well, it was "bad".

http://www.freeinfosociety.com/media/images/805.jpgvs.http://www.tribo.org/nanking/heads.jpg

[Jive Talka]

http://www.freeinfosociety.com/media/images/805.jpgvs.http://www.tribo.org/nanking/heads.jpg

Innocent Americans imprisoned because people in their home country were doing bad things.

Seems pretty bad to me.

[Ethan]

I'm getting tired of the blame game.

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/8371/demonsconjoined.png

[whocares]

Innocent Americans imprisoned because people in their home country were doing bad things.

Seems pretty bad to me.

Which one would you pick though? lol. I think the answer is obvious.

[Dread_Lord]

A lot of people point at the wars the west has had and say "you're so cruel". They have no fucking idea how brutal the Asians have been. Several times more violent and brutal than the west.

[Ethan]

A lot of people point at the wars the west has had and say "you're so cruel". They have no fucking idea how brutal the Asians have been. Several times more violent and brutal than the west.

Continents aren't countries aren't flags aren't states aren't provinces aren't cultures aren't cities aren't people.

[Jive Talka]

Which one would you pick though?

Neither.

[Jeff Gatherer]

:mad: Nanking wouldn't have got raped if she didn't dress like a whore

[whocares]

Neither.

If you had to pick.

[Dread_Lord]

Continents aren't countries aren't flags aren't states aren't provinces aren't cultures aren't cities aren't people.

I'm not speaking of continents or countries, I am speaking of race.

[DiStOrTiOn]

http://www.tribo.org/nanking/heads.jpg

LOL those are some ugly sumbitches


Bravo for cleaning up the gene pool.

[whocares]

LOL those are some ugly sumbitches


Bravo for cleaning up the gene pool.

lol upload your pic and we'll see who's ugly

[DiStOrTiOn]

lol upload your pic and we'll see who's ugly

nah i don't wanna hurt anyone in hurz self-esteem

[whocares]

nah i don't wanna hurt anyone in hurz self-esteem

lol you mean your own self esteem

[DiStOrTiOn]

lol you mean your own self esteem

lol you wish

faggot

[Jeff Gatherer]

No genocide ever happened: The Darfur genocide, the Balkan massacres, The Rwanda Genocide, Armenian/Assyrian, the Holocaust, Nanking, Herero, slavery, Neanderthal extinction. They are all lies by the NWO!

[White Jesus]

Their plan for the end of the war was pretty badass though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall
Making your entire population fight whitey with bamboo poles is lulz

[Tachosomoza]

Lol at the huge number of Purple Hearts made.

[whocares]

Lol at the huge number of Purple Hearts made.

What... does... that... have to do with anything?

[Tachosomoza]

It was in the Wiki for Operation Downfall.

[White Jesus]

It was in the Wiki for Operation Downfall.

Yupp if we hadn't nuked those nips around 15 million lives would have been lost on both sides

[Rolf]

Yupp if we hadn't nuked those nips around 15 million lives would have been lost on both sides

That almost sounded like justification for the atomic bombings on Japan... thee is a baby murdering scumbag! proclaims Rolf sarcastically.

[Tachosomoza]

I guarantee you if we had went along with Operation Downfall it would have been the most brutal operation in US history.

[Captain Falcon]

lol u sed rape lol

[White Jesus]

That almost sounded like justification for the atomic bombings on Japan... thee is a baby murdering scumbag! proclaims Rolf sarcastically.

Shit happens in total war, proclaims Jesus. Shit just would have happened on a greater scale had the nukes been spared.

[Rolf]

Shit happens in total war, proclaims Jesus. Shit just would have happened on a greater scale had the nukes been spared.

Rolf agrees, agrees Rolf.

[Cory]

I guarantee you if we had went along with Operation Downfall it would have been the most brutal operation in US history.

Yep. It would've easily been the biggest battle of WWII. It would also have a massive effect on the development of the Cold War.

[White Jesus]

Seriously imagine for a second 20 million pissed off and malnourished nip civilians all armed with bambo polls and farming tools banzai rushing 1 million allied troops. It would have been an absolute bloodbath

[Cory]

The USA was speculating that we would take about 1 million losses. That's more then what the US lost in the rest of the war combined.

[Tachosomoza]

You want to know something about the Japanese, read about the soldiers who held out until the mid 1970s. They were gray headed, worn the fuck out, eating bugs in the jungle, and murdering natives, and had to be persuaded by Hirohito himself to surrender.

[White Jesus]

You want to know something about the Japanese, read about the soldiers who held out until the mid 1970s. They were gray headed, worn the fuck out, eating bugs in the jungle, and murdering natives, and had to be persuaded by Hirohito himself to surrender.

Yeah i think I remember reading about one that held out till 92
Those japs are a resilient people

[Irukanji]

Who cares, honestly? We all do fucked up shit when we are fucked up. It was kill or be killed, you can't trust the civilians in a country you have just invaded with force. They are prepared to treat you as the invaders, and deal with you appropriately.

Look at the Middle East right now, if they are prepared to kill their fellow countrymen, then what are they prepared to do to us?(Oh right. Torture, rape, murder, behead). Same shit was going through the Japanese's head 70 years ago when they went to China.

Pull your head out of your arse over shit which happened a long time ago. I bet you're still butt hurt over Pearl Harbour. It's Ancient history to most. The Jews still go on and on and on about the Holocaust as if it happened yesterday. Ever time I hear the figures, its going up and up. When you say WW2, people think "Holocaust", as opposed to everything else which happened at the same time.

[Tachosomoza]

Well, history doesn't just stop when you say it does. There's ramifications to everything. Who cares? You should, if you want to understand some aspects of the modern Far East.

[mizled]

In the interests of full disclosure:
Nanking was dressed rather provocatively and was seen flirting with Japan earlier that evening.

[Rolf]

Who cares, honestly? We all do fucked up shit when we are fucked up. It was kill or be killed, you can't trust the civilians in a country you have just invaded with force. They are prepared to treat you as the invaders, and deal with you appropriately.

The Chinese definitely care and will exact a similar treatment upon the Japanese given the chance, notes Rolf. Personally Rolf does not truly care if the Chinese do get to take revenge, the Japanese have been in continuous unapologetic denial about their WWII war crimes for seven decades now, states Rolf.

[DiStOrTiOn]

fuck the japs

when they stop pushing blue whales to the brink of extinction along with the second smartest species on earth (dolphins), then i'll stop hating the goddamn japs

[WAN]

Even the author of this book committed suicide due to constant pressure and paranoia from Japanese officials and the FBI.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

if this is true, it is truly terrible. how come there is no outrage about it?

also, do you have any proof?

[Oct]

If that happened today i would consider it a miracle.

Tang Shengzhi announced the city would not surrender and would fight to the death. Tang gathered about 100,000 soldiers, largely untrained, including Chinese troops who had participated in the Battle of Shanghai. To prevent civilians from fleeing the city, he ordered troops to guard the port, as instructed by Chiang Kai-shek. The defense force blocked roads, destroyed boats, and burnt nearby villages, preventing widespread evacuation.

Bet the communists loved that one, talk about a propaganda booster for anti nationalism.

Perhaps the most notorious atrocity was a killing contest between two Japanese officers :lulz: