An eye for an eye

[bornkiller]

It's the ultimate case of an eye for an eye - a judge has given an Iranian woman permission to pour acid into a man's eye after the spurned suitor blinded her by doing the same thing.
Ohhh...sweet revenge
http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/bild-english/world-news/2009/03/26/acid-attack-revenge-eye-for-an-eye/iran-court-allows-victim-to-blind-culprit.html

[Magpie_Tendencies]

He gets an anaesthetic as she does it.
Lame.

What a half-assed version of an eye-for-an-eye.

[bornkiller]

He gets an as she does it.
Lame.

What a half-assed version of an eye-for-an-eye.
True! but to realize you've lost your site when your anaesthetic has worn off isn't exactly a walk in the park. ;)

[kirby]

Amazing; if we had that system inplanted here we would see a severe reduction of crime.

Deterrence would be the ultimate affect; and by making certain crimes the punishment of death e.g. rape (not because I care much about the women; but because the people that usually resort to it are the lows of society) we will see a reduction in the number of "violent" people and society will evolve more. But it will evovle at a fear of the judical system.

Catch-22

[Kidney Punch]

I was just about to post this actually.

She's brutal, but then if I looked like her I'd be pretty pissed at the guy too.

[Valheru]

Amazing; if we had that system inplanted here we would see a severe reduction of crime.

Deterrence would be the ultimate affect; and by making certain crimes the punishment of death e.g. rape (not because I care much about the women; but because the people that usually resort to it are the lows of society) we will see a reduction in the number of "violent" people and society will evolve more. But it will evovle at a fear of the judical system.

Catch-22


Wrong on all counts.

Eye-for-and-eye justice isn't justice, it's revenge. It's also logically inconsistent. If it's okay to chuck acid into somebody's eye after he did it to you, as a punishment, then it means that it was okay for the other guy to do it in the first place. The punishment should FIT the crime, not match it. Same goes for the death penalty.

If it's okay because the government said so after the fact, then it's nothing other than fascism. Shariahdic Islamic nations are fucking underdeveloped shitholes for exactly the reasons you're trying to promote. There's no focus on the cultivation of a egalitarian society based on human rights - just religious dogma, fear and oppression.

[kirby]

Wrong on all counts.

Eye-for-and-eye justice isn't justice, it's revenge. It's also logically inconsistent. If it's okay to chuck acid into somebody's eye after he did it to you, as a punishment, then it means that it was okay for the other guy to do it in the first place. The punishment should FIT the crime, not match it. Same goes for the death penalty.

If it's okay because the government said so after the fact, then it's nothing other than fascism. Shariahdic Islamic nations are fucking underdeveloped shitholes for exactly the reasons you're trying to promote. There's no focus on the cultivation of a egalitarian society based on human rights - just religious dogma, fear and oppression.
Can't argue that it works and creates results; whats the worth of a few lives when you have to control order and retain authority over people when you're running a state? Of course this; and what I've said is an extreme course of action it provides results. Places like the USA allow "too" much freedom, but even with too much people either don't use it, or exploit it to get out of ways which they should be punished for because of technalities or exploits in the legal system.

Atleast with a system like this; if you do someting like jump someone and stab them and they catch you, they should be able to do the same to you stab you or worse because the drama and pain and suffering you've caused to the victim and the mortality of death to the victim themselves; but even then it's not true revenge because atleast the perperator of the crime has prior knowledge of what's going to happen to him.


Having acid thrown into his eye and making him blind is a punishment that fits the crime because this women; even though I'd admit I don't like her and is prolly a bitcht gluttonous waste of life is getting her worth back because she herself is doing justice to the perperator, even if you don't agree with it. Theres nothing that can be done to fix her eye so why should the guy who has done it live with the fact that he's unaffected while she has to life her live in a glutonous bitchy non-efforted sad pathetic way.

it's all nice in theory; but the inplanation of such a judical system would never happen under current presidence of USA society standards.

[bornkiller]

Wrong on all counts.

Eye-for-and-eye justice isn't justice, it's revenge. It's also logically inconsistent. If it's okay to chuck acid into somebody's eye after he did it to you, as a punishment, then it means that it was okay for the other guy to do it in the first place. The punishment should FIT the crime, not match it. Same goes for the death penalty.

If it's okay because the government said so after the fact, then it's nothing other than fascism. Shariahdic Islamic nations are fucking underdeveloped shitholes for exactly the reasons you're trying to promote. There's no focus on the cultivation of a egalitarian society based on human rights - just religious dogma, fear and oppression.
Don't push it on an Islamac belief, The Death sentence is still standing in western society also...would you consider that an eye for an eye.
This is the sort of shit society needs.
Never mind 5yrs inside.
Shit would never get sorted.
The only good thing about jail?...it doesn't teach you a lesson, merely teaches you to be a better criminal.

[Big Ben]

Yea all these criminals get "punished" for there crimes by being locked away with shelter and fed free meals. Great use of our tax dollars, looking after the criminals so they can learn better ways not to get caught.

[Valheru]

Can't argue that it works and creates results; whats the worth of a few lives when you have to control order and retain authority over people when you're running a state? Of course this; and what I've said is an extreme course of action it provides results. Places like the USA allow "too" much freedom, but even with too much people either don't use it, or exploit it to get out of ways which they should be punished for because of technalities or exploits in the legal system.

It does NOT work and does NOT create results. Please do some research before you talk via your thumb.

The average murder rate in non-death-penalty US states is consistently lower (percentage wise) than those with the death penalty.

The death penalty is NOT a deterrent. Thinking about your own death or the negative consequences of your actions is not a human trait - it's something we tend to avoid. That is simple psychology. But please go look at this web site before accusing me of confirmation bias.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-1996-2007

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterrence-states-without-death-penalty-have-had-consistently-lower-murder-rates

I'm not saying that punishment itself is not a deterrent. What's needed is a logical and consistent application of human rights. If it's a human right not to have acid splashed in your face, then it's a human right not to get it done to you by the government.

Human rights are either inalienable or they're not. If they're not, then you don't have the right NOT to have acid thrown in your face, and anybody can do it. Conversely, if it's okay to kill a killer, then the killer did nothing wrong by killing in the first place, which creates an illogical circularity. The only way to avoid this is to employ a punishment which fits the crime, but does not match it.

Please do not confuse my approach as any sort of support for criminals. I say, hit criminals hard. Hit'em where it hurts. Make'em pay. But you cannot go about this via "eye for an eye". It's logically inconsistent and has no place in a democratic society that prides itself on lawful rationality. Indeed, subjugating your populace via fear and heavy-handedness does not create a stable society - it does the opposite. It's fascism.

Ultimately, respect for the value of human life and dignity cannot be taught if your government practises a hypocritical ideology.

[Valheru]

Yea all these criminals get "punished" for there crimes by being locked away with shelter and fed free meals. Great use of our tax dollars, looking after the criminals so they can learn better ways not to get caught.

It's a failure of the correctional system, not of the justice system. Please do not confuse the two.

[JREwing]

Whatever you say there Ghandi.

"But she herself unashamedly wants revenge: “He made fun of me in front of the court. Now he is whimpering for mercy, asking me to leave him at least one eye.
"But it is too late for that.”"

What an awesome person. If she wasn't a sandnigger I'd marry her.

I would also like to take this opportunity to endorse the Iranian judicial system.

[Valheru]

Respectfully, go fuck yourself with your strawman. I'm not about to be drawn into a stupid argument that has been done to death (please excuse the pun) everywhere on the computarnets.

I can explain the psychology to you, shove statistics into your face until the cows come home, and you'll never change your mind. It's a realisation you will have to come to by yourself as you grow older and wiser.

I'll part with the following shot. Given the prevalence of eye for an eye in Islamic countries, did the possibility of his eye being burned out by acid deter this guy from doing it in the first place?

Obviously, it didn't. Go think about that for a while.

[KillSwitch_J]

Ohhh...sweet revenge
http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/bild-english/world-news/2009/03/26/acid-attack-revenge-eye-for-an-eye/iran-court-allows-victim-to-blind-culprit.html

I'm surprised that they would even allow this to happen, as many of the arab countries don't usually seem that interested in womens rights to begin with.

Even if he is drugged, at least he will wake up minus his eyes as well, and that in itself is a form of justice.:thumbsup:

[JREwing]

I like that the court thinks he's already so ugly she doesn't even have to scald his face with the acid.

I wonder if it'll be a local or general anaesthetic. I'm stuck in hospital with cancer, and I know that general anaesthetic is kinda a big deal, you need respirators, anaesthetists, etc to do it safely. So maybe a local... let me tell you a secret, local doesn't work. Stuff hurts nearly as bad under local as without, just think back to your last dentist's appointment. I bet they'll just sedate him, either with gas, IV benzos or morphine, and he'll probably wake up in the middle of the procedure, knowing how advanced iranian medicine is.

[elf omg]

An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

[KillSwitch_J]

I like that the court thinks he's already so ugly she doesn't even have to scald his face with the acid.

I wonder if it'll be a local or general anaesthetic. I'm stuck in hospital with cancer, and I know that general anaesthetic is kinda a big deal, you need respirators, anaesthetists, etc to do it safely. So maybe a local... let me tell you a secret, local doesn't work. Stuff hurts nearly as bad under local as without, just think back to your last dentist's appointment. I bet they'll just sedate him, either with gas, IV benzos or morphine, and he'll probably wake up in the middle of the procedure, knowing how advanced iranian medicine is.

Sorry to hear about your cancer. I also wondered about whether or not this guy would feel anything during the eye dropper procedure. It's a shame if he doesn't, because she didn't get the benefit of an anaesthetic when he threw the acid in her face. So why should he be spared that part?

[elf omg]

Atomidate.

[KillSwitch_J]

Atomidate.

Did you mean Etomidate?

[elf omg]

Did you mean Etomidate?

Yes, I did.

They pronounce it "uh-tomidate", and it's been a while since I looked into it.

[KillSwitch_J]

Yes, I did.

They pronounce it "uh-tomidate", and it's been a while since I looked into it.


Understood.:thumbsup:

[Mantikore]

Yea all these criminals get "punished" for there crimes by being locked away with shelter and fed free meals. Great use of our tax dollars, looking after the criminals so they can learn better ways not to get caught.

i reckon a pretty good way would be to severely reduce the costs of housing an inmate, and use them as a source of real, moneymaking labour

[KillSwitch_J]

i reckon a pretty good way would be to severely reduce the costs of housing an inmate, and use them as a source of real, moneymaking labour

They actually use to use inmates as slave labor years ago. Check out the movie Brubaker (1980). I believe they said this movie was based on a true story about how bad the prison system was back then.

The people running the prisons were just as bad, if not worse than some of prisoners they watched over.

Brubaker (1980)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080474/