So if white racism is so bad...

[Phinehas]

Why isn't there a mass exodus of non-whites out of the Occident and back to their native homelands? Why has there never been anything like this? Why is the movement of non-whites, in fact, the exact opposite?

[rabbitweed]

Apartheid South Africa had a MASSIVE problem with illegal immigration.

However bad it might have been to be a black man in white South Africa, it was worse still to be a black man in black Africa.

[Yggdrasil]

Why isn't there a mass exodus of non-whites out of the Occident and back to their native homelands? Why has there never been anything like this? Why is the movement of non-whites, in fact, the exact opposite?

Because, you sniveling cur, the lands they previously called home a good couple of centuries ago, from which they were captured and sold off of, were conquered by whites, and raped of all resources and identity. Then, as the whites left in the 20th century, they left in their wake national borders completely incompatible with actual ethnic makeups and completely unprepared leaderships.

[kirby]

White rascism isn't bad; it's a social taboo. Thats why people reflect tat it's bad.

The reason why they don't go back? Because this place is better; their on the gravy train and if any go back to their homelands it won't be like this.

The blacks know this, they go to acrica they'll be killed on spot for being an american nigger. Albanians that came here as refugees can't go back because their traitors for running away; etc. Bosinans which escaped the "horrors" back in the early 90's because same as above they know they have it better here.

[JoePedo]

White rascism isn't bad; the people who claim it were kicked out of the white race for being fucking morons.

This.

[Zay]

I can't account for everyone, but...

US Military Interventions in Latin America
1846
The U.S., fulfilling the doctrine of Manifest Destiny, goes to war with Mexico and ends up with a third of Mexico's territory.
1850, 1853, 1854, 1857
U.S. interventions in Nicaragua.
1855
Tennessee adventurer William Walker and his mercenaries take over Nicaragua, institute forced labor, and legalize slavery.
"Los yankis... have burst their way like a fertilizing torrent through the barriers of barbarism." --N.Y. Daily News
He's ousted two years later by a Central American coalition largely inspired by Cornelius Vanderbilt, whose trade Walker was infringing.
"The enemies of American civilization-- for such are the enemies of slavery-- seem to be more on the alert than its friends." --William Walker
1856
First of five U.S. interventions in Panama to protect the Atlantic-Pacific railroad from Panamanian nationalists.
1898
U.S. declares war on Spain, blaming it for destruction of the Maine. (In 1976, a U.S. Navy commission will conclude that the explosion was probably an accident.) The war enables the U.S. to occupy Cuba, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines.
1903
The Platt Amendment inserted into the Cuban constitution grants the U.S. the right to intervene when it sees fit.
1903
When negotiations with Colombia break down, the U.S. sends ten warships to back a rebellion in Panama in order to acquire the land for the Panama Canal. The Frenchman Philippe Bunau-Varilla negotiates the Canal Treaty and writes Panama's constitution.
1904
U.S. sends customs agents to take over finances of the Dominican Republic to assure payment of its external debt.
1905
U.S. Marines help Mexican dictator Porfirio Díaz crush a strike in Sonora.
1905
U.S. troops land in Honduras for the first of 5 times in next 20 years.
1906
Marines occupy Cuba for two years in order to prevent a civil war.
1907
Marines intervene in Honduras to settle a war with Nicaragua.
1908
U.S. troops intervene in Panama for first of 4 times in next decade.
1909
Liberal President José Santos Zelaya of Nicaragua proposes that American mining and banana companies pay taxes; he has also appropriated church lands and legalized divorce, done business with European firms, and executed two Americans for participating in a rebellion. Forced to resign through U.S. pressure. The new president, Adolfo Díaz, is the former treasurer of an American mining company.
1910
U.S. Marines occupy Nicaragua to help support the Díaz regime.
1911
The Liberal regime of Miguel Dávila in Honduras has irked the State Department by being too friendly with Zelaya and by getting into debt with Britain. He is overthrown by former president Manuel Bonilla, aided by American banana tycoon Sam Zemurray and American mercenary Lee Christmas, who becomes commander-in-chief of the Honduran army.
1912
U.S. Marines intervene in Cuba to put down a rebellion of sugar workers.
1912
Nicaragua occupied again by the U.S., to shore up the inept Díaz government. An election is called to resolve the crisis: there are 4000 eligible voters, and one candidate, Díaz. The U.S. maintains troops and advisors in the country until 1925.
1914
U.S. bombs and then occupies Vera Cruz, in a conflict arising out of a dispute with Mexico's new government. President Victoriano Huerta resigns.
1915
U.S. Marines occupy Haiti to restore order, and establish a protectorate which lasts till 1934. The president of Haiti is barred from the U.S. Officers' Club in Port-au-Prince, because he is black.
"Think of it-- niggers speaking French!" --secretary of State William Jennings Bryan, briefed on the Haitian situation
1916
Marines occupy the Dominican Republic, staying till 1924.
! 1916
Pancho Villa, in the sole act of Latin American aggression against the U.S, raids the city of Columbus, New Mexico, killing 17 Americans.
"Am sure Villa's attacks are made in Germany." --James Gerard, U.S. ambassador to Berlin
1917
U.S. troops enter Mexico to pursue Pancho Villa. They can't catch him.
1917
Marines intervene again in Cuba, to guarantee sugar exports during WWI.
1918
U.S. Marines occupy Panamanian province of Chiriqui for two years to maintain public order.
1921
President Coolidge strongly suggests the overthrow of Guatemalan President Carlos Herrera, in the interests of United Fruit. The Guatemalans comply.
1925
U.S. Army troops occupy Panama City to break a rent strike and keep order.
1926
Marines, out of Nicaragua for less than a year, occupy the country again, to settle a volatile political situation. Secretary of State Kellogg describes a "Nicaraguan-Mexican-Soviet" conspiracy to inspire a "Mexican-Bolshevist hegemony" within striking distance of the Canal.
"That intervention is not now, never was, and never will be a set policy of the United States is one of the most important facts President-elect Hoover has made clear." --NYT, 1928
1929
U.S. establishes a military academy in Nicaragua to train a National Guard as the country's army. Similar forces are trained in Haiti and the Dominican Republic.
"There is no room for any outside influence other than ours in this region. We could not tolerate such a thing without incurring grave risks... Until now Central America has always understood that governments which we recognize and support stay in power, while those which we do not recognize and support fall. Nicaragua has become a test case. It is difficult to see how we can afford to be defeated." --Undersecretary of State Robert Olds
1930
Rafael Leonidas Trujillo emerges from the U.S.-trained National Guard to become dictator of the Dominican Republic.
1932
The U.S. rushes warships to El Salvador in response to a communist-led uprising. President Martínez, however, prefers to put down the rebellion with his own forces, killing over 8000 people (the rebels had killed about 100).
! 1933
President Roosevelt announces the Good Neighbor policy.
1933
Marines finally leave Nicaragua, unable to suppress the guerrilla warfare of General Augusto César Sandino. Anastasio Somoza García becomes the first Nicaraguan commander of the National Guard.
"The Nicaraguans are better fighters than the Haitians, being of Indian blood, and as warriors similar to the aborigines who resisted the advance of civilization in this country." --NYT correspondent Harold Denny
1933
Roosevelt sends warships to Cuba to intimidate Gerardo Machado y Morales, who is massacring the people to put down nationwide strikes and riots. Machado resigns. The first provisional government lasts only 17 days; the second Roosevelt finds too left-wing and refuses to recognize. A pro-Machado counter-coup is put down by Fulgencio Batista, who with Roosevelt's blessing becomes Cuba's new strongman.
! 1934
Platt Amendment repealed.
1934
Sandino assassinated by agents of Somoza, with U.S. approval. Somoza assumes the presidency of Nicaragua two years later. To block his ascent, Secretary of State Cordell Hull explains, would be to intervene in the internal affairs of Nicaragua.
! 1936
U.S. relinquishes rights to unilateral intervention in Panama.
1941
Ricardo Adolfo de la Guardia deposes Panamanian president Arias in a military coup-- first clearing it with the U.S. Ambassador.
It was "a great relief to us, because Arias had been very troublesome and very pro-Nazi." --Secretary of War Henry Stimson
1943
The editor of the Honduran opposition paper El Cronista is summoned to the U.S. embassy and told that criticism of the dictator Tiburcio Carías Andino is damaging to the war effort. Shortly afterward, the paper is shut down by the government.
1944
The dictator Maximiliano Hernández Martínez of El Salvador is ousted by a revolution; the interim government is overthrown five months later by the dictator's former chief of police. The U.S.'s immediate recognition of the new dictator does much to tarnish Roosevelt's Good Neighbor policy in the eyes of Latin Americans.
1946
U.S. Army School of the Americas opens in Panama as a hemisphere-wide military academy. Its linchpin is the doctrine of National Security, by which the chief threat to a nation is internal subversion; this will be the guiding principle behind dictatorships in Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Chile, Central America, and elsewhere.
1948
José Figueres Ferrer wins a short civil war to become President of Costa Rica. Figueres is supported by the U.S., which has informed San José that its forces in the Panama Canal are ready to come to the capital to end "communist control" of Costa Rica.
1954
Jacobo Arbenz Guzmán, elected president of Guatemala, introduces land reform and seizes some idle lands of United Fruit-- proposing to pay for them the value United Fruit claimed on its tax returns. The CIA organizes a small force to overthrow him and begins training it in Honduras. When Arbenz naively asks for U.S. military help to meet this threat, he is refused; when he buys arms from Czechoslovakia it only proves he's a Red.
Guatemala is "openly and diligently toiling to create a Communist state in Central America... only two hours' bombing time from the Panama Canal." --Life
The CIA broadcasts reports detailing the imaginary advance of the "rebel army," and provides planes to strafe the capital. The army refuses to defend Arbenz, who resigns. The U.S.'s hand-picked dictator, Carlos Castillo Armas, outlaws political parties, reduces the franchise, and establishes the death penalty for strikers, as well as undoing Arbenz's land reform. Over 100,000 citizens are killed in the next 30 years of military rule.
"This is the first instance in history where a Communist government has been replaced by a free one." --Richard Nixon
1957
Eisenhower establishes Office of Public Safety to train Latin American police forces.
! 1959
Fidel Castro takes power in Cuba. Several months earlier he had undertaken a triumphal tour through the U.S., which included a CIA briefing on the Red menace.
"Castro's continued tawdry little melodrama of invasion." --Time, of Castro's warnings of an imminent U.S. invasion
1960
Eisenhower authorizes covert actions to get rid of Castro. Among other things, the CIA tries assassinating him with exploding cigars and poisoned milkshakes. Other covert actions against Cuba include burning sugar fields, blowing up boats in Cuban harbors, and sabotaging industrial equipment.
1960
The Canal Zone becomes the focus of U.S. counterinsurgency training.
1960
A new junta in El Salvador promises free elections; Eisenhower, fearing leftist tendencies, withholds recognition. A more attractive right-wing counter-coup comes along in three months.
"Governments of the civil-military type of El Salvador are the most effective in containing communist penetration in Latin America." --John F. Kennedy, after the coup
1960
Guatemalan officers attempt to overthrow the regime of Presidente Fuentes; Eisenhower stations warships and 2000 Marines offshore while Fuentes puts down the revolt. [Another source says that the U.S. provided air support for Fuentes.]
1960s
U.S. Green Berets train Guatemalan army in counterinsurgency techniques. Guatemalan efforts against its insurgents include aerial bombing, scorched-earth assaults on towns suspected of aiding the rebels, and death squads, which killed 20,000 people between 1966 and 1976. U.S. Army Col. John Webber claims that it was at his instigation that "the technique of counter-terror had been implemented by the army."
"If it is necessary to turn the country into a cemetary in order to pacify it, I will not hesitate to do so." --President Carlos Arana Osorio
1961
U.S. organizes force of 1400 anti-Castro Cubans, ships it to the Bahía de los Cochinos. Castro's army routs it.
1961
CIA-backed coup overthrows elected Pres. J. M. Velasco Ibarra of Ecuador, who has been too friendly with Cuba.
1962
CIA engages in campaign in Brazil to keep João Goulart from achieving control of Congress.
1963
CIA-backed coup overthrows elected social democrat Juan Bosch in the Dominican Republic.
1963
A far-right-wing coup in Guatemala, apparently U.S.-supported, forestalls elections in which "extreme leftist" Juan José Arévalo was favored to win.
"It is difficult to develop stable and democratic government [in Guatemala], because so many of the nation's Indians are illiterate and superstitious." --School textbook, 1964
1964
João Goulart of Brazil proposes agrarian reform, nationalization of oil. Ousted by U.S.-supported military coup.
! 1964
The free market in Nicaragua:
The Somoza family controls "about one-tenth of the cultivable land in Nicaragua, and just about everything else worth owning, the country's only airline, one television station, a newspaper, a cement plant, textile mill, several sugar refineries, half-a-dozen breweries and distilleries, and a Mercedes-Benz agency." --Life World Library
1965
A coup in the Dominican Republic attempts to restore Bosch's government. The U.S. invades and occupies the country to stop this "Communist rebellion," with the help of the dictators of Brazil, Paraguay, Honduras, and Nicaragua.
"Representative democracy cannot work in a country such as the Dominican Republic," Bosch declares later. Now why would he say that?
1966
U.S. sends arms, advisors, and Green Berets to Guatemala to implement a counterinsurgency campaign.
"To eliminate a few hundred guerrillas, the government killed perhaps 10,000 Guatemalan peasants." --State Dept. report on the program
1967
A team of Green Berets is sent to Bolivia to help find and assassinate Che Guevara.
1968
Gen. José Alberto Medrano, who is on the payroll of the CIA, organizes the ORDEN paramilitary force, considered the precursor of El Salvador's death squads.
! 1970
In this year (just as an example), U.S. investments in Latin America earn $1.3 billion; while new investments total $302 million.
1970
Salvador Allende Gossens elected in Chile. Suspends foreign loans, nationalizes foreign companies. For the phone system, pays ITT the company's minimized valuation for tax purposes. The CIA provides covert financial support for Allende's opponents, both during and after his election.
1972
U.S. stands by as military suspends an election in El Salvador in which centrist José Napoleón Duarte was favored to win. (Compare with the emphasis placed on the 1982 elections.)
1973
U.S.-supported military coup kills Allende and brings Augusto Pinochet Ugarte to power. Pinochet imprisons well over a hundred thousand Chileans (torture and rape are the usual methods of interrogation), terminates civil liberties, abolishes unions, extends the work week to 48 hours, and reverses Allende's land reforms.
1973
Military takes power in Uruguay, supported by U.S. The subsequent repression reportedly features the world's highest percentage of the population imprisoned for political reasons.
1974
Office of Public Safety is abolished when it is revealed that police are being taught torture techniques.
! 1976
Election of Jimmy Carter leads to a new emphasis on human rights in Central America. Carter cuts off aid to the Guatemalan military (or tries to; some slips through) and reduces aid to El Salvador.
! 1979
Ratification of the Panama Canal treaty which is to return the Canal to Panama by 1999.
"Once again, Uncle Sam put his tail between his legs and crept away rather than face trouble." --Ronald Reagan
1980
A right-wing junta takes over in El Salvador. U.S. begins massively supporting El Salvador, assisting the military in its fight against FMLN guerrillas. Death squads proliferate; Archbishop Romero is assassinated by right-wing terrorists; 35,000 civilians are killed in 1978-81. The rape and murder of four U.S. churchwomen results in the suspension of U.S. military aid for one month.
The U.S. demands that the junta undertake land reform. Within 3 years, however, the reform program is halted by the oligarchy.
"The Soviet Union underlies all the unrest that is going on." --Ronald Reagan
1980
U.S., seeking a stable base for its actions in El Salvador and Nicaragua, tells the Honduran military to clean up its act and hold elections. The U.S. starts pouring in $100 million of aid a year and basing the contras on Honduran territory.
Death squads are also active in Honduras, and the contras tend to act as a state within a state.
1981
The CIA steps in to organize the contras in Nicaragua, who started the previous year as a group of 60 ex-National Guardsmen; by 1985 there are about 12,000 of them. 46 of the 48 top military leaders are ex-Guardsmen. The U.S. also sets up an economic embargo of Nicaragua and pressures the IMF and the World Bank to limit or halt loans to Nicaragua.
1981
Gen. Torrijos of Panama is killed in a plane crash. There is a suspicion of CIA involvement, due to Torrijos' nationalism and friendly relations with Cuba.
1982
A coup brings Gen. Efraín Ríos Montt to power in Guatemala, and gives the Reagan administration the opportunity to increase military aid. Ríos Montt's evangelical beliefs do not prevent him from accelerating the counterinsurgency campaign.
1983
Another coup in Guatemala replaces Ríos Montt. The new President, Oscar Mejía Víctores, was trained by the U.S. and seems to have cleared his coup beforehand with U.S. authorities.
1983
U.S. troops take over tiny Granada. Rather oddly, it intervenes shortly after a coup has overthrown the previous, socialist leader. One of the justifications for the action is the building of a new airport with Cuban help, which Granada claimed was for tourism and Reagan argued was for Soviet use. Later the U.S. announces plans to finish the airport... to develop tourism.
1983
Boland Amendment prohibits CIA and Defense Dept. from spending money to overthrow the government of Nicaragua-- a law the Reagan administration cheerfully violates.
1984
CIA mines three Nicaraguan harbors. Nicaragua takes this action to the World Court, which brings an $18 billion judgment against the U.S. The U.S. refuses to recognize the Court's jurisdiction in the case.
1984
U.S. spends $10 million to orchestrate elections in El Salvador-- something of a farce, since left-wing parties are under heavy repression, and the military has already declared that it will not answer to the elected president.
1989
U.S. invades Panama to dislodge CIA boy gone wrong Manuel Noriega, an event which marks the evolution of the U.S.'s favorite excuse from Communism to drugs.
1996
The U.S. battles global Communism by extending most-favored-nation trading status for China, and tightening the trade embargo on Castro's Cuba.

http://www.zompist.com/latam.html

[gone]

Funny, EVERY person on this planet has DNA that traces back to Africa; proof that everyone that lives or ever lived has/had "nigger" roots. Hmmm, I wonder if that accounts for why so many anglos wants tans? Another interesting tidbit is that the majority of (non African) blacks alive in the world have European DNA traces (mostly attributed to rape by slaveholders). So, lots of whites want darker "skin" (in all sense of the word), yet hate niggers. What is that, some sort of self-hatred? I just don't get it. Imagine that; somewhere along the line, a David Dukes is a jigaboo.

[Struwwelpeter]

Funny, EVERY person on this planet has DNA that traces back to Africa; proof that everyone that lives or ever lived has/had "nigger" roots. Hmmm, I wonder if that accounts for why so many anglos wants tans? Another interesting tidbit is that the majority of (non African) blacks alive in the world have European DNA traces (mostly attributed to rape by slaveholders). So, lots of whites want darker "skin" (in all sense of the word), yet hate niggers. What is that, some sort of self-hatred? I just don't get it. Imagine that; somewhere along the line, a David Dukes is a jigaboo.

It is not true that white people have DNA traceable back to Africa. While white people are of the same species as blacks (homo-sapiens) and have very similar genetic codes, the manner in which those genes are expressed is entirely different. As man evolved out of Africa he was exposed to harsher new climates which required a different way of life to survive, and in turn developed a greater intellect than the homo-sapiens living in Africa. This is the basis for the intellectual superiority of the Caucasoid and the Mongoloids from eastern Asia (Koreans, Japanese, some Chinese, etc). The desire of western whites to tan is indeed a form of self-hatred. To say that David Duke is "somewhere along the line traceable to Africa" is not true. As man moved out of Africa his genetic code evolved to express itself entirely differently from the Negroid; thus the caucasoid and mongoloid divisions of man are entirely different races (breeds) of homo-sapiens.

This is a wonderful thread from Phinhas which poses a wonderful and insightful question. Like any other effect there are multiple causes however it is obvious that non-whites such as the mestizos and the blacks cannot survive without white people. They are a more selfish, childish race who simply do not know how to at least show respect for those who have sustained their worthless, contributionless existence on this planet as a whole.

[Struwwelpeter]

And it is not true at all that the hatred of white government is due to cultural conquering or any such nonsense. For example, Mexico is a country that is run by white people. In Mexico the socioeconomic gap between whites and non-whites is greater than most nations. At the top of the caste you have white Spaniards, Italians, etc running the government, the media and so on. Vicente Fox and Felipe Calderon are white Mexicans, while the latter is somewhat mixed he still has a white face. It doesn't really matter. They do not represent the phenotypical nor genotypical construct of the majority of Mexicans. If Mexicans were sick of white people dominating their culture and their people, they would be in Mexico kicking those guys out, but they're not, they coming over here, stomping on American flags, trashing whites and, ironically, waving the flag of a government that is controlled by and built by white people. They would also abandon their white names and their white language, and revert back to speaking whatever click lack nonsense originated in "their" land. Perhaps they are too stupid to understand, but this is all just a reflection of their naturally socio-pathic and consciousless nature.

[gone]

ALL human DNA traces back to Africa. You can have your DNA checked to confirm this, so regardless of where ascendants migrated to, their DNA shows their "roots". There was a great documentary on the subject some years ago. "The Journey of Man" Check it out.

As for "intellectual superiority", that phrase has negative connotations (All whites are not "smarter" than ALL blacks, or others). But I do agree with the statement that challenges faced by early tribes caused (mandated) better intellectual development...THEN. Don't believe that's applicable for the most part now.

Some years ago while under the influence of mesc (I think) I came to this realization and tried to explain/justify it to a bunch of homies I was hanging with. Stooopid mudderfuckers shot me down; didn't want to hear that. My argument was that those that remained in "motherland" had it (comparatively) easy at that time. so they stagnated. While those that ventured out had to apply their wits to survive, thus different brain development. From an evolutionary standpoint, that made sense to me. NOW, if that's a valid argument, then things might be different now. We in the West (the "developed" world) have it easy while those still in Third World have to apply their wits to survive. That may explain why some swinging dick living in an arid African village with one goat for transport and no electricity or running water can empty my bank account in NY :)

[Struwwelpeter]

ALL human DNA traces back to Africa. You can have your DNA checked to confirm this, so regardless of where ascendants migrated to, their DNA shows their "roots". There was a great documentary on the subject some years ago. "The Journey of Man" Check it out.

Not true. All human origins may be traceable to Africa, as is the Out of Africa theory, but to say that the DNA itself traces back to Africa is a fallacy. Mongoloid DNA traces back to Asia. Caucasoid DNA traces back to Europe and parts of Asia. Negroid DNA traces back to Africa. Caucasoid DNA cannot be traced back to Africa as Caucasoids do not appear naturally in Africa (save for parts of North Africa and the middle east).

As for "intellectual superiority", that phrase has negative connotations (All whites are not "smarter" than ALL blacks, or others). But I do agree with the statement that challenges faced by early tribes caused (mandated) better intellectual development...THEN. Don't believe that's applicable for the most part now.


I concede that not all whites are smarter than all blacks, but the majority of whites are more intelligent and capable than blacks, just as blacks as a whole are more physically dominant in sports like sprinting and football, as their racial background lies in an environment that supported great athletic development. I don't see why it doesn't matter; whites are the descendants of those tribes and the same correlations are demonstrated today by IQ tests, crime rates, literacy rates, the fact that there has never been an innovative non-white or non-Asian creation, and so forth.


Some years ago while under the influence of mesc (I think) I came to this realization and tried to explain/justify it to a bunch of homies I was hanging with. Stooopid mudderfuckers shot me down; didn't want to hear that. My argument was that those that remained in "motherland" had it (comparatively) easy at that time. so they stagnated. While those that ventured out had to apply their wits to survive, thus different brain development. From an evolutionary standpoint, that made sense to me. NOW, if that's a valid argument, then things might be different now. We in the West (the "developed" world) have it easy while those still in Third World have to apply their wits to survive. That may explain why some swinging dick living in an arid African village with one goat for transport and no electricity or running water can empty my bank account in NY :)

I don't think I'll be taking mescaline any time soon. :cool:

[Space Monkey]

Migrations are a natural phenomena, if you live in a land affected by scarcity and you are aware that in other parts of the world there's areas where immense wealth is to be found you'd want to move there and improve your life.

However it's also natural for the native populations to resist the influx of aliens, what Western governments are doing is imposing multiculturalism on their citizens, no referendum on immigration was never conducted.

Mass immigration has continued widely unrestricted in order to favour business interests and the need for cheap labour.

[Yggdrasil]

What was your point in bringing up the socioeconomic model that exists in Mexico, Jim?

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I say again, ALL humans have DNA that traces back Africa. They started with presumably the oldest living tribe (the ones that speaks in "click-clack" or whatever the hell that is), then found same DNA sequences in everyone else they took sample from, basically tracing migration off the continent. They tested Arctic peoples, eastern and western Europeans, and N & Southern Americas. ALL traced back to that African tribe. Needless to say, some (the bigots) were less than pleased with findings.

Actually, just googled the afore-mentioned documentary and found http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/12/1212_021213_journeyofman.html.

By analyzing DNA from people in all regions of the world, geneticist Spencer Wells has concluded that all humans alive today are descended from a single man who lived in Africa around 60,000 years ago.

Today,as far as one race being "superior" to another, that's just pain bullshit; racist rationalization. Given equal interests and opportunities (socio-economic and educational), all can achieve. So a lot of the economically disadvantaged feels their only "outs" are via sports/performance and crime. And most of the Blacks that make/rate media coverage are not the scientists, bizmen, educators, but performers (ballplayers, singers, etc. The step-n-fetchits IMO) or crooks (btw, most crime committed by blacks are of an economic nature. But the thrill killings, the serial rapes and murders, the child molestations, are mostly committed by whites. Whites display more deviate behaviour. Read Brit author Colin Wilson for his take on that).

One of the main probs with the world as I know it is the fact that everyone wants to shout out/celebrate their differences, at the expense of our commonalities. I've seen lots of people leaking and/or opened up, and I'll tell ya, they all look and (mostly) smell the same, no matter what's on the outside. To consider someone a nigger, spic, kike, whatever, just because of skin color, religion, creed, whatever, shows ignorance. Now, that's not to say there aren't niggers, spics, kikes, whatever. Those terms I apply to attitude/behaviour, not race, creed, etc. Find a bunch of Blacks, Latinos, Jewish, and there's bound to be niggers, spics, kikes amongst them. Who are who? The ones that don't know the difference are the niggers, spics, kikes, etc.

[Struwwelpeter]

What was your point in bringing up the socioeconomic model that exists in Mexico, Jim?


Because, you sniveling cur, the lands they previously called home a good couple of centuries ago, from which they were captured and sold off of, were conquered by whites, and raped of all resources and identity. Then, as the whites left in the 20th century, they left in their wake national borders completely incompatible with actual ethnic makeups and completely unprepared leaderships.

Gone, it's a shame you have the privilege to promote such nonsense on this website.

[El Monstruo]

Whites own and built North America

[Dog]

Slaves built the US.

Fixed.

[Struwwelpeter]

LOL

[El Monstruo]

Fixed.

Black people have never built any type of civilization. Look at Africa.

[poast-bortem!]

Niggers try to take credit for the past, in an attempt to gain more sympathy in the future.

We're oppressed
We used to be slaves
We built the US and the Pyramids

STFU, PizzaNazi. Take your nig-noggery back to Africa, you fuckin' ape.

[poast-bortem!]

I found a picture of PizzaNazi on his myspace:

http://a50.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/108/l_a76aeb0c4f36672f32d2e545d74822f1.jpg

[BadShovelhead]

Dip da doo dat mufugga bix noooood

[Yggdrasil]

I found a picture of PizzaNazi on his myspace:

http://a50.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/108/l_a76aeb0c4f36672f32d2e545d74822f1.jpg

You're so damned ignorant. I could just as easily compare you to a white-trash, uneducated, piece of shit redneck. All races have their filthy scum, and considering that Bush got elected twice, I think it's fair to say we've got our fair share of garbage.

PS: Oh look, I managed to snap a picture of JFLC with a friend the other night:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn61/staticsdynamic/MenKissing2-726296.jpg

[Struwwelpeter]

You're so damned ignorant. I could just as easily compare you to a white-trash, uneducated, piece of shit redneck. All races have their filthy scum, and considering that Bush got elected twice, I think it's fair to say we've got our fair share of garbage.

PS: Oh look, I managed to snap a picture of JFLC with a friend the other night:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn61/staticsdynamic/MenKissing2-726296.jpg

There are less trash whites than trash blacks. All you have shown us here is that you have a collection of interracial gay pornography somewhere.

[The Methematician]

I say again, ALL humans have DNA that traces back Africa. -[other worthless fecal matters removed...]-

[1] LIES !!!!

[2] You kno...that's just like saying just because some monkey native to latin america ...say ... White-fronted Capuchin, have some part of DNA similar to those and/or traceable to those of African mountain gorillas they (s.american monkeys) would and could act and behave just like the african mountain gorillas.

[3] Or like saying that the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 7 and Evolution 8 shared some similar parts and/or that their engines were traceable back to the same factory in Japan.....and therefore they're both EQUAL in quality and performance..... and should be sold at the same price.......

I mean .... what part of evolution did you phail to understand ???? You see now ??? I had evolved into something that can understand the importance of these differences attained through the process of evolution.....and had attained intellectual superiority ....while you.....on the other hand ....still thinks just because we share some DNA similarity or had some parts of our DNA traceable to africa and therefore we, both you and me had similar intelligence and should be given equal treatment......
asshole.

IN SHORT : Despite the hypothesis that our DNA were traceable back to africa (which is infact ....not true at all) I had evolved into something with a superior intellect, while you on the other hand, had yet to evolve through the evolutionary stages I had and thus,.....had not gained the capacity to develop intellectual superiority or any traits that can be considered as.....intellectual superiority for that matter......

[Dread_Lord]

Funny, EVERY person on this planet has DNA that traces back to Africa; proof that everyone that lives or ever lived has/had "nigger" roots.

So you're saying that since that time all races, except for blacks, have evolved?


Just to comment on the original topic. The reason is because they need us, we don't need them.

[gone]

I stand by the argument that Man aorignated out of Arfican continent and that there are remants of DNA in all that can be traced back to Africa. Now, I sure that this is not something that racist can accept; that would be akin to a red state christ lover accepting evolution. If the only blacks you see/know of are what ya see on TV, or in whatever poor, shitty ass neighbourhood, well, you're still a closed/little minded idiots. Making blanket statements about the intellectual superiority or inferiority of a whole race *show* lack of intelligence. BTW, funny how most that associate/align themselves with "supremacists" groups are usually the most un- or under-educated. Hmmmm.

PS: it must really piss off lots of crackers to see their kids going wigger on 'em. To know their women want more and more of the dark meat (which may account for the increasing bo-donk-a-donking of the usually flat asses). To see/hear and live thru the cultural impact of hip-hop on the nation and the world. This last I myself don't consider a good thing, but I can look at it as black payback on white culture: the niggerfication of America. Ain't it grand. I say make the best of yet, 'cause Hispanics are going to outnumber all others in US and are eventually going to really exercise their political clout. Fuck ebonics, learn Spanish (oh, and Chinese also sicne we may end up being their cheap labor pool)

[Struwwelpeter]

I stand by the argument that Man aorignated out of Arfican continent

This I believe, it is true.

and that there are remants of DNA in all that can be traced back to Africa.

This on the other hand, is false.

[Dread_Lord]

I stand by the argument that Man aorignated out of Arfican continent and that there are remants of DNA in all that can be traced back to Africa. Now, I sure that this is not something that racist can accept; that would be akin to a red state christ lover accepting evolution. If the only blacks you see/know of are what ya see on TV, or in whatever poor, shitty ass neighbourhood, well, you're still a closed/little minded idiots. Making blanket statements about the intellectual superiority or inferiority of a whole race *show* lack of intelligence. BTW, funny how most that associate/align themselves with "supremacists" groups are usually the most un- or under-educated. Hmmmm.

PS: it must really piss off lots of crackers to see their kids going wigger on 'em. To know their women want more and more of the dark meat (which may account for the increasing bo-donk-a-donking of the usually flat asses). To see/hear and live thru the cultural impact of hip-hop on the nation and the world. This last I myself don't consider a good thing, but I can look at it as black payback on white culture: the niggerfication of America. Ain't it grand. I say make the best of yet, 'cause Hispanics are going to outnumber all others in US and are eventually going to really exercise their political clout. Fuck ebonics, learn Spanish (oh, and Chinese also sicne we may end up being their cheap labor pool)


I'm sure we all have something in common with every other animal on the planet as well.
What was is not the issue, what is is the issue.
Hell man, we all came from single cell organisms, big fucking deal.

[Dog]

This on the other hand, is false.

Prove it. To say such a thing with confidence, you should have quite a bit of evidence to support it.

I'm waiting.

[Struwwelpeter]

I already explained it, try reading the thread.

There exists non-white DNA in white populations, both mongoloid and negroid DNA, however that DNA is not the result of past migration but rather integration in a minority (the number is less than five percent for both races), in other words a few whites have mixed race ancestors somewhere along the line, this is demonstrated in all of Europe.

[Dog]

I already explained it, try reading the thread.

There exists non-white DNA in white populations, both mongoloid and negroid DNA, however that DNA is not the result of past migration but rather integration in a minority (the number is less than five percent for both races), in other words a few whites have mixed race ancestors somewhere along the line, this is demonstrated in all of Europe.

You aren't an anthropologist or a geneticist; therefore, your opinion on the issue is irrelevant. You need to provide peer-reviewed scientific evidence to support all aspects of your argument.

[Zay]

You aren't an anthropologist or a geneticist; therefore, your opinion on the issue is irrelevant. You need to provide peer-reviewed scientific evidence to support all aspects of your argument.

But jews have an agenda that controls peer-reviewed science.

All this science was hidden by jews who are out to destroy the white race.

http://www.visitshoremagazine.com/blog_shore/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/billcosby.jpg

http://www.bagofnothing.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/mister_rogers.jpg

Don't you see? 20th century geneticists had charts and schematics proving that black people and white people are different!

Children aren't taught to perceive these differences in school anymore. It's a dangerous thing, and white people will be extinct in 50 years and the world will collapse because science won't advance anymore without purebreed white people.

[poast-bortem!]

You aren't an anthropologist or a geneticist; therefore, your opinion on the issue is irrelevant.

HOW IRONIC. :facepalm:

[Struwwelpeter]

You aren't an anthropologist or a geneticist; therefore, your opinion on the issue is irrelevant. You need to provide peer-reviewed scientific evidence to support all aspects of your argument.
Neither are you, so your opinion is irrelevant as well. I may not be either of the two however I do have numerous anthropologists and geneticists, including the head of the human genome project and the discoverer of DNA who happen to agree with me.

[Dread_Lord]

But jews have an agenda that controls peer-reviewed science.

All this science was hidden by jews who are out to destroy the white race.

http://www.visitshoremagazine.com/blog_shore/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/billcosby.jpg

http://www.bagofnothing.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/mister_rogers.jpg

Don't you see? 20th century geneticists had charts and schematics proving that black people and white people are different!

Children aren't taught to perceive these differences in school anymore. It's a dangerous thing, and white people will be extinct in 50 years and the world will collapse because science won't advance anymore without purebreed white people.

I have a question. Were you chosen to moderate here or to troll every thread about race with the same fucking statements over and over again?

At least change it up in wording. If I hear "outdated 20th century eugenics blah blah blah" shit one more time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Struwwelpeter]

Don't you see? 20th century geneticists had charts and schematics proving that black people and white people are different!


The 21st century governments have them as well, in addition to the 21st century scientists.

[Dog]

Neither are you, so your opinion is irrelevant as well.

Which is exactly why I'm not trying to explain the genetics of the human species. When you aren't versed in a subject, you shouldn't discuss it. My point was that since you have no education in the topic, your "explanations" of the complex genetic history of humans have no weight whatsoever.

Of course, it wouldn't matter whether you were a geneticist, anthropologist or not, I would certainly have the same demands for evidence, which you can't provide. If the things you posted on this forum were based on evidence, it would not be a difficult task to reference it.

*cue JFLC posting some information that is logically inconsistent with his claim*

[Struwwelpeter]

Which is exactly why I'm not trying to explain the genetics of the human species. When you aren't versed in a subject, you shouldn't discuss it. My point was that since you have no education in the topic, your "explanations" of the complex genetic history of humans have no weight whatsoever.

Yes you are, as you commonly deny on this forum that race plays a role in human functional capacity, and not too long ago you were arguing that race didn't even exist. And I do have education on the topic.


Of course, it wouldn't matter whether you were a geneticist, anthropologist or not, I would certainly have the same demands for evidence, which you can't provide.

In suggesting that there is evidence I cannot provide you have attempted to establish yourself as an authority on geneticism and anthropology, as you are claiming to know that no such evidence exist, per true PizzaNazi fashion you have once again contradicted yourself, and the evidence does exist, and I can provide it, and I have provided a small amount of it on this website in the past.

[Dog]

Yes you are, as you commonly deny on this forum that race plays a role in human functional capacity, and not too long ago you were arguing that race didn't even exist. And I do have education on the topic.

False. My arguments about race can basically be summed up as saying that there is not enough evidence to draw any conclusion. I've also said that even if such differential capacities exist along race lines, it has no practical significance.


In suggesting that there is evidence I cannot provide you have attempted to establish yourself as an authority on geneticism and anthropology, as you are claiming to know that no such evidence exist, per true PizzaNazi fashion you have once again contradicted yourself, and the evidence does exist, and I can provide it, and I have provided a small amount of it on this website in the past.

I never said no such evidence existed. I told you to provide it. Provide it. The act of posting a link is not the same as providing sufficient evidence to support your claims.

[Struwwelpeter]

False. My arguments about race can basically be summed up as saying that there is not enough evidence to draw any conclusion.

That's not an argument, that's denial.


I've also said that even if such differential capacities exist along race lines, it has no practical significance.


You have advertised your stupidity.

I never said no such evidence existed. [/QUOTE]

Yes you did.


Of course, it wouldn't matter whether you were a geneticist, anthropologist or not, I would certainly have the same demands for evidence, which you can't provide.

[Zay]

My arguments about race can basically be summed up as saying that there is not enough evidence to draw any conclusion.

That's not an argument, that's denial.


No it isn't. It's rational and it's a methodology used by Austrian Economists. The idea is that there are so many variables to human nature that every single survey of people gives just a narrow scope of information in a wide web of unorganized data, hence why central planning, no matter what the intentions, is bound to fail.
http://mises.org/austecon/chap2.asp

Racialism isn't discouraged because it is some hidden truth that the jews have thrown dirt on for 60 years, it is dismissed because it is too incomplete. Case in point: Saying that whites invented certain technologies merely by virtue of being white, and that crime in white societies today is perpetuated only by minorities. There are hundreds of incomplete studies out there, surveying things from socio-economic status to the amount of books read to child rearing methods to diet to anthropology to geography to the flynn effect, etc. They all draw on incomplete information, and there are peer-reviewed debates at every level.

It's all enough reasonable doubt to dismiss the notion that "whites create perfect societies because they are white and more evolved."

You want to say "fuck it" to all of that, and merely use government guns to separate people.

[SenorVigilante]

I say again, ALL humans have DNA that traces back Africa. They started with presumably the oldest living tribe (the ones that speaks in "click-clack" or whatever the hell that is), then found same DNA sequences in everyone else they took sample from, basically tracing migration off the continent. They tested Arctic peoples, eastern and western Europeans, and N & Southern Americas. ALL traced back to that African tribe. Needless to say, some (the bigots) were less than pleased with findings.

Actually, just googled the afore-mentioned documentary and found http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/12/1212_021213_journeyofman.html.



Today,as far as one race being "superior" to another, that's just pain bullshit; racist rationalization. Given equal interests and opportunities (socio-economic and educational), all can achieve. So a lot of the economically disadvantaged feels their only "outs" are via sports/performance and crime. And most of the Blacks that make/rate media coverage are not the scientists, bizmen, educators, but performers (ballplayers, singers, etc. The step-n-fetchits IMO) or crooks (btw, most crime committed by blacks are of an economic nature. But the thrill killings, the serial rapes and murders, the child molestations, are mostly committed by whites. Whites display more deviate behaviour. Read Brit author Colin Wilson for his take on that).

One of the main probs with the world as I know it is the fact that everyone wants to shout out/celebrate their differences, at the expense of our commonalities. I've seen lots of people leaking and/or opened up, and I'll tell ya, they all look and (mostly) smell the same, no matter what's on the outside. To consider someone a nigger, spic, kike, whatever, just because of skin color, religion, creed, whatever, shows ignorance. Now, that's not to say there aren't niggers, spics, kikes, whatever. Those terms I apply to attitude/behaviour, not race, creed, etc. Find a bunch of Blacks, Latinos, Jewish, and there's bound to be niggers, spics, kikes amongst them. Who are who? The ones that don't know the difference are the niggers, spics, kikes, etc.
Nice:cool:


Anyway,notice how the majority of ethnic slurs were developed by whites. Notice how it was the whites who instigated wars and ethnic deputes. Whites are the ones who went to foreign lands and trampled over the people. Not the other way around. Like they say,you reap what you sow and this is what your ancestor's actions have caused you . White people are not evil or bad,for these terms are irrelevant and determined by POV. BUT,for you to sit there and act like little darling angels,like the responses you've gotten were unprovoked,it's disgusting.

Your people should have never gone to Africa or Asia or Latin America. BUT they did and their actions are irreversible. So now we must cope with each other. Though I would not mind if we were all wiped off the face of the Earth.:p

[Dog]

Nice:cool:


Anyway,notice how the majority of ethnic slurs were developed by whites. Notice how it was the whites who instigated wars and ethnic deputes. Whites are the ones who went to foreign lands and trampled over the people. Not the other way around. Like they say,you reap what you sow and this is what your ancestor's actions have caused you . White people are not evil or bad,for these terms are irrelevant and determined by POV. BUT,for you to sit there and act like little darling angels,like the responses you've gotten were unprovoked,it's disgusting.

Your people should have never gone to Africa or Asia or Latin America. BUT they did and their actions are irreversible. So now we must cope with each other. Though I would not mind if we were all wiped off the face of the Earth.:p

This. I honestly wonder if most white Americans have never taken a history class. Their ancestors, even as recently as some of their parents or grandparents, screwed over people all around the world, and many of these groups still feel the repercussions today. It really shouldn't be a big mystery to these chuckleheads why there is hostility toward white people.

That's not to say it's right, but someone would have to be really stupid to not see the difference between racism from whites and racism against whites. White racists traditionally hate on other groups because they're different. On the other hand, most non-white racists hate on whites as a reaction to white racism/imperialism.

[Slapshot]

Let me see if I understand this correctly. When predominantly White societies rape, rob, and murder, it's because Whites are evil warmongers.

But when predominantly black societies rape, rob, and murder, it's because Whites are evil warmongers.

Anybody who can't see a pattern to this progressive liberal bullshit watches way too much television.

[Dog]

Let me see if I understand this correctly. When predominantly White societies rape, rob, and murder, it's because Whites are evil warmongers.

It's because many of your ancestors WERE warmongerers and imperialists. I wouldn't necessarily describe them (all) as "evil", but they caused tons of damage. There really is no denying that.


But when predominantly black societies rape, rob, and murder, it's because Whites are evil warmongers.

The actual question here was racism, not crime. I said that much of the racism toward whites is an after-effect of white imperialism or racism. Though yes, you're correct, high black crime rates are another after-effect of imperialism or racism perpetrated by whites. It's truly an example of Frankenstein's monster.

Now, I don't think that blaming whites is going to solve anything, but that isn't a license to play dumb about why various groups are so disadvantaged.

[Slapshot]

My post wasn't actually directed at you, more like 2 or 3 people from the first page. I would however, say that your posts are typical of your people, blaming the circumstances instead of adapting and overcoming them.

What, are you people going to piss and moan for all eternity that the White man owned your entire race over and over and over or are you going to do something about it? Now STFU and shine my boots.

[Dog]

My post wasn't actually directed at you, more like 2 or 3 people from the first page. I would however, say that your posts are typical of your people, blaming the circumstances instead of adapting and overcoming them.

What, are you people going to piss and moan for all eternity that the White man owned your entire race over and over and over or are you going to do something about it? .

And we're actually in agreement on that. :thumbsup:

There's actually a sort of, class warfare in the black American community where some people (ie. Bill Cosby is probably one of the most outspoken) call for cultural improvement and others seem to be content with "black culture" as it currently is.

[Slapshot]

And we're actually in agreement on that. :thumbsup:

There's actually a sort of, class warfare in the black American community where some people (ie. Bill Cosby is probably one of the most outspoken) call for cultural improvement and others seem to be content with "black culture" as it currently is.

I've never met somebody like Bill Cosby IRL. Celebrities are shielded from real world consequences and have the luxury of preaching to the common man from their gated communities. Blacks who make something of themselves in White society generally leave their impoverished communities behind and take their money with them, contributing to the decay of their own people. (unlike Whites who open businesses and contribute to employment in their communities, thus repeating the cycle of economics)

Black culture overwhelmingly glorifies self-destructive behavior. You know it, I know it, so let's stop pretending that an entire society is to blame for the epic failure of blacks the world over. You people love to point your finger at White society, but when I point my finger at black society, then it's all about "getting to know the individual", "all blacks aren't like that", "it's somebody else's fault".... ad nauseum. I guess it's too much to expect consistency from a people who can barely feed themselves.

[Dog]

I've never met somebody like Bill Cosby IRL. Celebrities are shielded from real world consequences and have the luxury of preaching to the common man from their gated communities.

It sounds like you are the one shielded from the real world if you've "never met someone like Bill Cosby".

Blacks who make something of themselves in White society generally leave their impoverished communities behind and take their money with them, contributing to the decay of their own people. (unlike Whites who open businesses and contribute to employment in their communities, thus repeating the cycle of economics)

Unsubstantiated bullshit. If anything it's the exact other way around.


Black culture overwhelmingly glorifies self-destructive behavior. You know it, I know it, so let's stop pretending that an entire society is to blame for the epic failure of blacks the world over.

And I guess we're back to square 1, Cletus. The failure of blacks around the world is due to white racists and imperialists. End of story. Now we, the disadvantaged group, have to reverse the damage that people like you caused, and it's not an easy, overnight process. You only contribute to the problem with your current attitude.

[Slapshot]

It sounds like you are the one shielded from the real world if you've "never met someone like Bill Cosby". By that I meant a black who is critical of his race and culture.

And I guess we're back to square 1, Cletus. The failure of blacks around the world is due to white racists and imperialists. End of story. Now we, the disadvantaged group, have to reverse the damage that people like you caused, and it's not an easy, overnight process. You only contribute to the problem with your current attitude.

So..... as long as I contribute to the "problem", blacks will always be at a disadvantage? You give me too much credit. Imagine the response if you as an individual were to blame your personal failures on me and my attitudes. That's pretty fucking ridiculous, isn't it? Now imagine 2 people blaming their personal failures on 2 other people. 3, 4, 5, a million. At what point does it become acceptable to blame your personal failures on somebody else?

The more you blame the White man, the more you concede superiority. How can we Whites NOT feel superior when we have all you niggers giving us credit for your epic failures as a race? The slightest hint of racism is treated by blacks as a woeful catastrophe, as if we just waved a hand and legions of niggers fell to starvation, disease, and poverty.... yet according to you blacks are just as capable as Whites at any task. Smells like a contradiction to me.

"you only contribute to the problem with your current attitude."

So, I guess we're back to square one, Tyrone.

[Struwwelpeter]

Thank you Slapshot.

PizzaNazi, whatever "injustices" the white men might have caused, the reality was still better than what it was before those very actions, for minorities. Imagine what life would be like with no computer, no internet, no pornography, no websites where you can go memorize "logical fallacies", no books, no library, no downloads, nothing you enjoy thanks to white civilization. Rabbitweed once commented that Apartheid South Africa was better than Black South Africa, that is true. So while whatever "injustices" you allege may have been brutal - for blacks, they were better off with it.

[Struwwelpeter]

And so the negro contradicts himself once again, hypocritical, selfish negro, a guilty race by nature, a childish race at heart, you claim that it is unreasonable to punish the black race for the fact they they are more atrocious than whites, yet you want whites to front the bill for black unaccountability and black genetic inferiority. You cannot give me one case in which a black person today suffers over slavery. I had no part in slavery, no white person alive had part in slavery, and thus you have no right to put that on white people, unless you're prepared to accept the reality of your own race.

[Dog]

Thank you Slapshot.

PizzaNazi, whatever "injustices" the white men might have caused, the reality was still better than what it was before those very actions, for minorities. Imagine what life would be like with no computer, no internet, no pornography, no websites where you can go memorize "logical fallacies", no books, no library, no downloads, .

There's nothing inherently better about having TV, computers, etc. It's naive to think that communities such as the Amish or the various tribes that still exist around the world somehow feel at a loss without our technology. They have their own forms of entertainment and they've developed their owns ways of thriving in their environment.

[GatorWarrior]

Because, you sniveling cur, the lands they previously called home a good couple of centuries ago, from which they were captured and sold off of, were conquered by whites, and raped of all resources and identity. Then, as the whites left in the 20th century, they left in their wake national borders completely incompatible with actual ethnic makeups and completely unprepared leaderships.

Despite the fact that blacks sold each other in exchange for weapons.
And when the United States founded Liberia as a place for ex slaves to go back to their home, not many went. Why? Because even though they were enslaved, they are now better off

[Struwwelpeter]

There's nothing inherently better about having TV, computers, etc. It's naive to think that communities such as the Amish or the various tribes that still exist around the world somehow feel at a loss without our technology. They have their own forms of entertainment and they've developed their owns ways of thriving in their environment.

They do feel at a loss without our technology, and they do suffer greatly because of it. It is simply a denial of fact to suggest that something like the internet is not superior to that of other cultures means of spreading information. If you were in the Sahara, where your slave ancestors came from, right now assuming you lived to 21 you would be talking to the flies on your chest. There are superior forms of entertainment, enlightenment, etc. To suggest otherwise is, as previously stated, like all forms of pro-nonwhite sentiment and anti-racism, a denial of reality.

[Zay]

Thank you Slapshot.

PizzaNazi, whatever "injustices" the white men might have caused, the reality was still better than what it was before those very actions, for minorities. Imagine what life would be like with no computer, no internet, no pornography, no websites where you can go memorize "logical fallacies", no books, no library, no downloads, nothing you enjoy thanks to white civilization. Rabbitweed once commented that Apartheid South Africa was better than Black South Africa, that is true. So while whatever "injustices" you allege may have been brutal - for blacks, they were better off with it.

When he mentions slavery, you're not personally responsible. When it's inventions, you take personal credit for it.

Millions of different whites with millions of incentives did millions of different things, therefore you're not some mystical collective entity. I'm sure any scientist would be offended at some lowlife taking credit for his work. You are not the authority on who gets to identify with who, it's merely your subjective standard that you like to pass off as "fact." A black in academia can identify more with a white, compatriot colleague, with just as much, if not more, justification. To suggest that this hypothetical scientist/academic would support government guns against his colleague to join a white trash brotherhood is the biggest delusion of all racists.

The scientific community has either moved on from such backwards thinking, or is just too damn stupid to notice the jews/feminists/liberals brainwashing them :rolleyes:.

[SenorVigilante]

There's nothing inherently better about having TV, computers, etc. It's naive to think that communities such as the Amish or the various tribes that still exist around the world somehow feel at a loss without our technology. They have their own forms of entertainment and they've developed their owns ways of thriving in their environment.
As much as I enjoy it,technology is going to fuck us over one day.The more televisions and Macdonalds,the fatter and the lazier people get. I valued the days in which people worked hard and gained more than just a paycheck or social status. The general population could not defend themselves if the time came to do so. Things have been sissified and buttered up. And I'm ranting.:facepalm:

[Slapshot]

Despite the fact that blacks sold each other in exchange for weapons.
And when the United States founded Liberia as a place for ex slaves to go back to their home, not many went. Why? Because even though they were enslaved, they are now better off

Exactly, blacks cannot fend for themselves without the White man propping up their economic and social structures. The black race is parasitic in nature, consuming more than they contribute across the board (the immense cost of incarceration alone will never be recovered, much less the lives that have been lost at the hands of black savages). The black race is an evolutionary experiment that has passed it's usefullness and should by all rights be extinct.

[Struwwelpeter]

When he mentions slavery, you're not personally responsible. When it's inventions, you take personal credit for it.

Really? When did I ever do that?

[Slapshot]

When he mentions slavery, you're not personally responsible. When it's inventions, you take personal credit for it.

How is that different from blacks blaming an entire race for their failures, then reverting to individual responsibility when Whites point out their obscene crime rates?

[SenorVigilante]

Exactly, blacks cannot fend for themselves without the White man propping up their economic and social structures. The black race is parasitic in nature, consuming more than they contribute across the board (the immense cost of incarceration alone will never be recovered, much less the lives that have been lost at the hands of black savages). The black race is an evolutionary experiment that has passed it's usefullness and should by all rights be extinct.
:facepalm:

[Slapshot]

:facepalm:

As compelling as your argument is, I'm going to have to disagree.

[GatorWarrior]

It sounds like you are the one shielded from the real world if you've "never met someone like Bill Cosby".



Unsubstantiated bullshit. If anything it's the exact other way around.



And I guess we're back to square 1, Cletus. The failure of blacks around the world is due to white racists and imperialists. End of story. Now we, the disadvantaged group, have to reverse the damage that people like you caused, and it's not an easy, overnight process. You only contribute to the problem with your current attitude.

How then, do you explain the success of Caribbean Blacks in the United States? The reason why the are successful? They don't play the victim role . They accept the circumstances, and work despite them not because of them.

[Slapshot]

How then, do you explain the success of Caribbean Blacks in the United States? The reason why the are successful? They don't play the victim role . They accept the circumstances, and work despite them not because of them.

Quantify the success of Caribbean blacks in the US. Please.

[Dog]

Despite the fact that blacks sold each other in exchange for weapons.
And when the United States founded Liberia as a place for ex slaves to go back to their home, not many went. Why? Because even though they were enslaved, they are now better off

Pre-colonization Africa had its own cultural divisions, tribes, and so forth, and some of these tribes had slaves/prisoners from inter-tribal wars. They were sold to Europeans. It seems like you're trying to paint it as though some black tribe leader kicked his buddy Kunta Kente out of his hut and said "Okay, you're going to be a slave now. Owned."

The notion that blacks raised in American society should want to live in another culture is also retarded. We know nothing about those other cultures, we aren't accustomed to living there, so why would we choose that after a lifetime of American culture? You might say that now that tribes have an option, they'd pine for our type of society, but there are tons of groups that PREFER their small communities with no technology, and actively stay separated from our types of civilization.

In other words, John Doe wouldn't want to go live in a South American tribe, but the guy from the South American tribe wouldn't want to live in New York.

[GatorWarrior]

Quantify the success of Caribbean blacks in the US. Please.

I was watching a documentary about this exact subject, and they interviewed a bunch of Caribbean blacks, who would take any job offered to them, they then interviewed the average african american, who wouldn't take a job at McDonalds because it was degrading, and chose to live off welfare instead. They then went back to the Caribbean black, who said there is no such thing as welfare in his country, no safety net, no nothing. He described how he would work whatever job he could to make ends meet. The average black said no, it was below his dignity, and stuff like that is what make caribbean blacks successful. I don't believe judgement on the basis of skin color is too prevalent in America, I believe its the attitude of most blacks that turns whites off to them.

[1983]

*instigates shit storm*

What's the difference between a black man and a couch?

A Couch can support a family of five.

:D

Al

[Dog]

*instigates shit storm*

What's the difference between a black man and a couch?

A Couch can support a family of five.

:D

Al

I have a big family, and my family and all of my relatives' families have both parents present.

As a matter of fact, the ONLY missing parent in my family tree is a WHITE guy who wasn't around for one of my black great grandmothers

Owned.

[Slapshot]

I was watching a documentary about this exact subject, and they interviewed a bunch of Caribbean blacks, who would take any job offered to them, they then interviewed the average african american, who wouldn't take a job at McDonalds because it was degrading, and chose to live off welfare instead. They then went back to the Caribbean black, who said there is no such thing as welfare in his country, no safety net, no nothing. He described how he would work whatever job he could to make ends meet. The average black said no, it was below his dignity, and stuff like that is what make caribbean blacks successful. I don't believe judgement on the basis of skin color is too prevalent in America, I believe its the attitude of most blacks that turns whites off to them.

Perhaps we should do away with welfare then, the results seem quite promising.

[Slapshot]

I have a big family, and my family and all of my relatives' families have both parents present.

As a matter of fact, the ONLY missing parent in my family tree is a WHITE guy who wasn't around for one of my black great grandmothers

Owned.

Yea, OK. The drama queen has been posting all night, and this is the least of his lies. It's OK PN, we believe you.

[Slapshot]

I have a big family, and my family and all of my relatives' families have both parents present.


Owned.
Typical nigger, acting as if sticking around to raise your kids is an accomplishment, like they should be congratulated and patted on the back. Fuck outta here.

[Captain Politik]

Nice:cool:


Anyway,notice how the majority of ethnic slurs were developed by whites. Notice how it was the whites who instigated wars and ethnic deputes. Whites are the ones who went to foreign lands and trampled over the people. Not the other way around. Like they say,you reap what you sow and this is what your ancestor's actions have caused you . White people are not evil or bad,for these terms are irrelevant and determined by POV. BUT,for you to sit there and act like little darling angels,like the responses you've gotten were unprovoked,it's disgusting.

Your people should have never gone to Africa or Asia or Latin America. BUT they did and their actions are irreversible. So now we must cope with each other. Though I would not mind if we were all wiped off the face of the Earth.:p


THe more powerful dominate the weak. ITS ALWAYS BEEN LIKE THAT THROUGHOUT HISTORY!!!!

Why the fuck wouldnt the Europeans if they had the power expand there empire, enrich there empire both economically and politically, and spread there ideals??
Its the fact that EVERY single country I can think of that had the chance to conquer, control, and expand ( besides china in the 15th century and the USA after WW2) TOOK THAT FUCKING CHANCE THEY HAD!!

Africa never had that chance nor will they ever considering its mainly a black population

[Slapshot]

THe more powerful dominate the weak. ITS ALWAYS BEEN LIKE THAT THROUGHOUT HISTORY!!!!

Why the fuck wouldnt the Europeans if they had the power expand there empire, enrich there empire both economically and politically, and spread there ideals??
Its the fact that EVERY single country I can think of that had the chance to conquer, control, and expand ( besides china in the 15th century and the USA after WW2) TOOK THAT FUCKING CHANCE THEY HAD!!

Africa never had that chance nor will they ever considering its mainly a black population

...that rapes children with the belief that virgins can cure HIV *stupid niggers*

[Struwwelpeter]

As a matter of fact, the ONLY missing parent in my family tree is a WHITE guy who wasn't around for one of my black great grandmothers

Owned.

I agree, your great grandmother got owned.

[Slapshot]

PN has to wake up at 3 in the afternoon so he's going to bed early

[Struwwelpeter]

Pre-colonization Africa had its own cultural divisions, tribes, and so forth, and some of these tribes had slaves/prisoners from inter-tribal wars. They were sold to Europeans. It seems like you're trying to paint it as though some black tribe leader kicked his buddy Kunta Kente out of his hut and said "Okay, you're going to be a slave now. Owned."

And? That's a lot more realistic than your conspiracy theories about white people. Fact of the matter is, your own people enslaved you, and sold you to white people. You could not have been an American and your ancestors would not have been slaves if it were not for black Africans. They sold you, for very little, knowing that you would shipped across the seas to a galaxy far, far away.



We know nothing about those other cultures, we aren't accustomed to living there, so why would we choose that after a lifetime of American culture?

You clearly know nothing about American culture, and you clearly aren't accustomed to living here properly, otherwise blacks would not account for forty percent of the welfare bracket despite being less than fifteen percent of the population, fifty two percent of the murderers in the nation despite being less than fifteen percent of the population, fifty two percent of the prison system despite being less than fifteen percent of the population, the majority of rapists, the majority of violent criminals, creating the most vicious, pointless and devastatingly populated violent gangs in this nation's history, etc.


You might say that now that tribes have an option, they'd pine for our type of society, but there are tons of groups that PREFER their small communities with no technology, and actively stay separated from our types of civilization.


There are not tons; only a very small number of uncontacted peoples living in South America and Asia. An unbelievably small amount of them.

In other words, John Doe wouldn't want to go live in a South American tribe, but the guy from the South American tribe wouldn't want to live in New York.

Strawman argument. I want to live in eastern Europe. Doesn't mean that's applicable to this discussion. But if you put me to it I would guess that the black Africans would enjoy an influx of immigrants who are sort of more educated and intelligent than them, who look like them. But it doesn't have to be with a tribe. There's plenty of land in Africa to establish for the Black American community, they attempted to do this with Liberia but unfortunately things went pretty downhill, which would be expected given that it was a plan constructed and carried out by Africans.

[Struwwelpeter]

PN has to wake up at 3 in the afternoon so he's going to bed early

LOL

Good posts in this thread Slapshot.

Same goes for the other Frackle, Gator, antonio123, and the other guy who's name I barely remember but am too lazy to scroll down and check for.

[Zay]

How is that different from blacks blaming an entire race for their failures, then reverting to individual responsibility when Whites point out their obscene crime rates?

Causation =/= justification.

Explanation =/= justification.


If you're so above those in the ghetto, then you can understand that chain of causality that led to their circumstances, while not burdening those in better circumstances.

X historical people buy a bunch of blacks from various tribes and families speaking different languages and having experienced severe psychological trauma, they hold them in a country for many generations where they're not allowed to to be taught reading and writing, they hold mock-weddings and break up families all in the name of business and physically brutalize them if they try to carry out some free will.

Here's the big fucking shocker for you.
Here's why the chinese immigrants and the irish immigrants and the polish immigrants and the italian immigrants and the jews after the holocaust all fared better than the blacks post-slavery and the blacks that attempted to settle Liberia.

There's no social infrastructure set up. No wealthy families, no critical mass of educated blacks. Just a bunch of physically abused, psychologically abused, uneducated, illiterate, broken families freed from slavery.

Not only that, the people with the monopoly on wealth and education turned their backs to them. There's your history lesson, dumbfuck. If you can't see how the rest is history, and if you don't know anything about history, well then you'd better start reading
(http://wikipedia.org)

All this talk of "oh we gave you technology, you owe us" is absolutely irrelevant and ridiculous.
Get the fuck out of the humanities forum. This conversation here is over