Tytania discussion thread

[Star Wars Fan]

Made this because of the recent eps that I caught up on. They sure are fucking douchebags (violating two sovereign nations' sovereignty in such short time in myriad ways, from jacking their prison, bombing a planet's capital city leaving the presidential mansion intact, threatening to invade those two planets or at least start wars, trying to force them into disadvantageous positions, etc.

Wow. No wonder Fan Hyulick is a popular hero on the outer planets and Tytania has so many grudges, all the planets and systems they invaded and annexed through the series pisses people off. That and intentionally destabilizing governments, killing or 'silencing' critics, violating sovreignty so many damn times in other ways and outright bullying. Fuck Tytania

[lethargic]

Jouslain Tytania turns out to be a pretty kewl guy. So they're not all bad. :)

[NaiveMonarch]

I started watching Deers subs, they were excellent quality, then they stalled and I never picked up the ANBU subs.

[Star Wars Fan]

Jouslain Tytania turns out to be a pretty kewl guy. So they're not all bad. :)

spoiler for NaiveMonarch and others
The president of Esterl would say otherwise, what with originally suggesting they station Tytania troops on the planet and in the end he settles with 'only' controlling their trade/commerce. And blaming Kanack for everything when Zarlish started penetrating their territory and jacked their satellite and scorched their capital city (and where's the reparations for the people he killed when he destroyed those buildings?). He may not be *as* bad as Idris (manipulative social bullshit and destabilizing governments to take over, remember Euria) or Zarlish (openly flounting sovereign nations space/territory, pissing off two planetary governments and starting a war with one of them if the next ep is to be believed) but he still has no problem making other nations subservient to Tytania. Then there's the other bullshit with Tytania silencing critics by removing their vocal chords or public execution and/or torture of enemies (remember what Alses wanted to do, and now his bitchy Mother now that her son was killed by Fan...in retaliation for him trying to kill him and killing his girlfriend, Lira?)


Part of me wants the resistance to destroy Uraniborg and/or crash it into the planet with all the nobles and whatnot onboard.....though there's plenty of civilians on so it won't be nice. Also note I have a bias AGAINST aristocracy and "high culture" class bullshit, and the same with hierarchy in general. So there's a problem granted some of the people who Tytania invaded were Principalities and had royals, etc. But they aren't as bad as Tytania). I'd put a president (or prime minister or other executive person) and the president's council and whatever legislature above a damn imperial court. Arguably both are ruling class (especially in some cases), but the president/prime minister is less worse than fucking nobles.

I started watching Deers subs, they were excellent quality, then they stalled and I never picked up the ANBU subs.

ANBU isn't shitty. I loled at one of the subs for a recent ep and they said "Tytania can eat shit and die" when a guy wa celebrating Fan Hyulick being in a bar that was full of anti-Tytania people

[Gantz Graf]

I kind of dropped this show some time ago because it started to annoy me for some reason. I think it was around the time Lira died (I hated her guts, so all the Lira flashbacks kind of got on my nerves) and also around the time that creepy pedo Aristocrat dude got blasted to bits. I had high hopes for it, and I normally like political Space Operas, but I felt it was getting kind of cliche and uninteresting. Is this worth picking up again?

[Star Wars Fan]

I had high hopes for it, and I normally like political Space Operas, but I felt it was getting kind of cliche and uninteresting.

how is Tytania 'cliche? :confused: The whole idea is relatively-new to space opera (anime). what with the more blatant 'frontier' themes as well as rebellions hiding. Legend of Galactic Heroes focused on conventional stuff. Tytania focuses on the outer resistance forces.

You know some other good space Opera?

Is this worth picking up again?

IMO yes. especially based off the past few eps. Zarlish is going to start some shit I think.

[Gantz Graf]

how is Tytania 'cliche? :confused: The whole idea is relatively-new to space opera (anime). what with the more blatant 'frontier' themes as well as rebellions hiding. Legend of Galactic Heroes focused on conventional stuff. Tytania focuses on the outer resistance forces.


Mostly Fan Hyulick's whole "Lira was killed so I must stop Tytania" thing I found pretty cliche. I hated their relationship from the start, and didn't find it believable in the least, largely because I thought Lira was a pretty pathetic character and the whole romance thing didn't feel natural to me at all. And having that serve as a fairly important turning point just kind of dashed a lot of my faith in the series. Among some other things I really have trouble remembering right now. I'm really not trying to unfairly criticize the series, it was just sort of like a gradual culmination of annoyances that lead to me just not wanting to bother with it anymore.

I thought the premise and political structures were interesting, but it's execution just didn't grab me at all. For some reason I just thought there were a lot of groan-worthy moments, in terms of storytelling, and that a lot of it could have been done better... though it was a while ago so my memory was kind of vague.

I don't know, I think the show does some things quite well, and other things not very well at all. I think I was hoping for some kind of masterpiece, and frankly I don't think it can be considered anything close to that, but that may be my fault for expecting that in the first place.


You know some other good space Opera?


In terms of anime? LOGH, of course. I still haven't gotten through all of that. I was mostly thinking Babylon 5, BSG, etc. TV isn't really rife with decent space operas. I was also thinking of various bits of literature that could be considered to fall into the genre.


IMO yes. especially based off the past few eps. Zarlish is going to start some shit I think.

Hmm, I'll look into it, then. I found I liked all the machinations within Tytania (Idris, Zarlish, etc), but for some reason I had difficulty tolerating nearly most of the rest.

[Star Wars Fan]

Mostly Fan Hyulick's whole "Lira was killed so I must stop Tytania" thing I found pretty cliche.

to be fair, he didn't really go against Tytania per se even after she was killed. He only sought vengeance against Alses and fled and hid form Zarlish looking for vengeance. He didn't turn against Tytania. Even Fan says in a recent episode: "I don't pick fights with them, they won't leave me alone/stop messing/chasing with/after me" (forgot exact quote)

I hated their relationship from the start, and didn't find it believable in the least, largely because I thought Lira was a pretty pathetic character and the whole romance thing didn't feel natural to me at all. And having that serve as a fairly important turning point just kind of dashed a lot of my faith in the series.

It wasn't an important turning point of pissing Fan against Tytania. He went on the down low and hid around on fringe worlds until that loli got him back happy again and he got vengeance on Alses and so forth.

I don't know, I think the show does some things quite well, and other things not very well at all. I think I was hoping for some kind of masterpiece, and frankly I don't think it can be considered anything close to that, but that may be my fault for expecting that in the first place.

Legend of Galactic Heroes is arguably worse in many ways, At least Tytania has a faster speed and storyline. That and it doesn't deal with conventional warfare as much and is a space opera with more focus on assymetrical warfare and international relations. No overarching central government makes things fun :D

you could say something similar with Rosanna and Kircheis motivating Reinhard to become Kaiser then unify the galaxy.

In terms of anime? LOGH, of course. I still haven't gotten through all of that.

Heroic Age is pretty cool as well. More straightforward. Also Glass Fleet IIRC (haven't seen). I remember people saying Crest/Banner of the Stars too, and maybe Toward The Terra (kind've sad series, ive seen that but arguably it isn't 'space opera' per se.

I was mostly thinking Babylon 5, BSG, etc. TV isn't really rife with decent space operas. I was also thinking of various bits of literature that could be considered to fall into the genre.

list the TV series please. Also do the literature include the Foundation Series ;)

Hmm, I'll look into it, then. I found I liked all the machinations within Tytania (Idris, Zarlish, etc), but for some reason I had difficulty tolerating nearly most of the rest.

oh.

[Gantz Graf]

Hmm, I guess, I just really didn't like the character driven aspects at all. I found that there were moments of brilliance, but for some reason I thought it was also bogged down by a lot of shit. I wish I could better articulate why. I just thought some elements could have been done a lot better. It never struck me as particularly believable or human. A lot of it just seemed to lack some sort of resonance, with me. The political stuff is interesting, though.

I forgot Crest/Banner of the Stars. I actually quite enjoyed that, mostly because the Abh have a very well conceived culture. I also found the whole unlikely romance thing more compelling in that series.

For TV series I did list a couple: Babylon 5 and BSG. Babylon 5 is arguable the best television sci-fi series evar, even though it has ample cheese.

And yeah, it would be hard not to include Asimov in that list.

You'll have to excuse my terrible critical 'analysis' of this series. For some reason I just found some aspects of the storytelling a bit crappy, and I wish I could support it why with something vaguely resembling an argument. I think I'd have to watch it over again to be able to actually explain why it just didn't sit well with me in terms of storytelling quality.