Destructive Methods of Opening Locks

[RoundElephant]

There are non-bumpable locks that are protecting something I want.
I do not have the time to pick it.

I want to uses a destructive but quiet method to gain entry.

Any suggestions?

[Th0r]

A picture of the lock in question?

[kracker]

Very bad idea = Thermite

[RoundElephant]

I think it looks something like this.

http://www.vendorsequipment.com/foundations/store/products/medeco_1050.jpg

[GermanyOrFlorida]

What is it locking?
Car? house door? vending machine?....

[RoundElephant]

The thing it is locking is most like a vending machine. I don't want to go into very intricate detail as it is irrelevant.

[Nisko]

Look into Thermite. It will be difficult to get a hold of and you need to be able to bring it with you in a storage container.

[RoundElephant]

Look into Thermite. It will be difficult to get a hold of and you need to be able to bring it with you in a storage container.

Gun powder would be faster then that.

And I DON'T want to cause a scene.

[Actor]

Two words: liquid nitrogen.

[Leshrac]

Look into Thermite. It will be difficult to get a hold of and you need to be able to bring it with you in a storage container.

Busting a lock open often requires to be stealthy...

Think you're going to go unnoticed with the giant fireball, mass smoke & fountain of fusing-red sparks ?

Two words: liquid nitrogen.

This. Also freon too.

[RoundElephant]

Two words: liquid nitrogen.

I was thinking about that.

Some would I just have to funnel it in for about 30 seconds? Then I just put something that can fit in the lock but is attached to a large lever into the lock and start turning?

[TehInternets]

I was thinking about that.

Some would I just have to funnel it in for about 30 seconds? Then I just put something that can fit in the lock but is attached to a large lever into the lock and start turning?

or shatter it with a hammer

[Leshrac]

or shatter it with a hammer

+1 for added discretion...

"hey joe u done with that lock ?"
*BANG*
"WTF ARE YOU DOING MORON THE WHOLE BLOCK HEARD US"

:D:bluerazz:

[TehInternets]

+1 for added discretion...

"hey joe u done with that lock ?"
*BANG*
"WTF ARE YOU DOING MORON THE WHOLE BLOCK HEARD US"

:D:bluerazz:

good point

[Mantikore]

if the lock is not protruding out of the device it is locking, thermite wont really work.

i recommend finding another way around the lock

[sexualjesus]

I was thinking about that.

Some would I just have to funnel it in for about 30 seconds? Then I just put something that can fit in the lock but is attached to a large lever into the lock and start turning?

i like it, the funnel idea that is, funnel in freon, a lot of it, lightly put screwdriver in, tap it hard with a hammer to jam it in, then turn it sharply and as hard as you can, if hammering it in hasnt broken it turning it hard will snap the pins inside

brilliant

[Leshrac]

Liquid hydrogen. There are 'small' bottles approx the size of a soda bottle and it's colder than nitrogen.

[nostrumfiend]

Liquid hydrogen. There are 'small' bottles approx the size of a soda bottle and it's colder than nitrogen.

Where do they sell this? I've never seen it in stores before.

[Jizzmeister]

I think drilling the lock is probably quieter than using freon and a hammer or thermite etc etc.
Would picking the lock not be a possibility?

[Leshrac]

Where do they sell this? I've never seen it in stores before.

Auto supplies stores. It's fuel for hybrid/concept cars.

http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/mits2.jpghttp://www.switch2hydrogen.com/mits4.jpg

[RoundElephant]

What if I poured a shit load of water in the lock then flipped compressed air upside down and sprayed it in? Wouldn't the water freeze and destroy the lock?

[samguy700]

no you dont need water get a pillow and drill and drill the lock throught the pillow to make it qeit and btw the vending manchine thing gave it away its an atm
btw with the freezing thing your best bet is compressed liquid like lynx deodorant that stuff is realy pressurised

[samguy700]

Auto supplies stores. It's fuel for hybrid/concept cars.

http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/mits2.jpghttp://www.switch2hydrogen.com/mits4.jpg

thats compressed hydrogen not liquid big differece

[Leshrac]

thats compressed hydrogen not liquid big differece

I know but these were the only pictures i could find while making my meal ^^

[RoundElephant]

no you dont need water get a pillow and drill and drill the lock throught the pillow to make it qeit and btw the vending manchine thing gave it away its an atm

i like my life, and I would never risk spending the rest of it in prison by ripping off an atm. I'm 100% serious.

[Nisko]

i like my life, and I would never risk spending the rest of it in prison by ripping off an atm. I'm 100% serious.

Life? Really.

You get life for that?

[RoundElephant]

Life? Really.

You get life for that?

Ok I won't get life but it is too easy to get caught.

[Trix Are For Kids]

liguid nitrogen is fastest

[Dark Destroyer]

Two words: liquid nitrogen.

if thats to hard to aquire
then try 15 minutes of upside down dust remover
chisel/flathead/center punch+hammer=profit?

[Bob Cock]

ATMs are a bitch, I was going to try one. Thank God I didnt, because I no doubt would have failed.

[eclipse]

I think everyone thinks of ripping off an ATM from time to time. The thing to consider is whether the reward outweighs the potential risk. If your gonna do something like this make sure you do your homework. I’m sure theirs a whole mess of security devices built into those things other then the lock. If you can’t just pick the lock how do you plan to bypass whatever else the banks have thought up to catch you.

[stupid1]

pipe bomb to lock equals win.

[Leshrac]

Professional lockpick gun / Professional Master Key.

Expensive but DAMN, how useful !

[headshotphantom]

Unless you work on/build or any other /have anything to do with ATMs, I wouldn't try this. You are bound to fail.

[stdismas]

If the lock is exactly like the one in your pic, you won't be bumping, picking or quietly drilling anything anyways. Medeco locks aren't pickable or bumpable, and have hardened inserts/ball bearings built in to slow down drilling. You'd have better luck attacking whatever it is the lock is housed in. (Since it's likely you're just talking about a vending machine, it'd be faster just to put a hole saw attachment on a power drill and go straight through the plastic window at front, but that still won't get you access to the cash.)

Forget all the idiots telling you to use thermite, it'd be bright, noisy and would probably just spot-weld the lock completely shut...and if you read articles from Google about freon, you find that most locks aren't susceptible to the cooling chemicals available to regular people, because they just don't get cold enough. You can buy freon and its less-cold counterparts on Ebay, although some people require certification to sell to you.

There just isn't going to be a quiet, instant way to get through a Medeco lock. What I'm wondering is, how much money do you think will be in there, that you're going to the trouble in the first place? (And if it really is an ATM despite what you said, forget it...you'd never get the money out before the cops descend from the alarms and anti-tampering devices built-in.)

On the other hand, this is a pretty cool video: http://www.instructables.com/id/How-To-Freeze-A-Lock-Off!/?comments=all

[Phantasmal_fiend]

why not use the key, someone has to have one, what sort of windows of opertunity do you have, becasue this sounds like an inside job, possibly something to do with your work aquiring the key should not be hard getting away with it is the hard part,
oh btw do plaster molds of the key work well.

[Epique]

Why not thake tips from the past in northern ireland.

Assuming it is a vending machine or an ATM why not just angle grind the whole thing outta the wall, into the back of a van/lorry sheilded from radio signals and drive away. This solution leaves the cash intact and gives you all the time that you might need to get into it.(if you take it out of town you can make as much noise as you need)

[Iri]

All dicking around aside, there are generally two "types" of locks: padlocks and installed locks (like the dead-bolts on a house door or the circular locks on a vending machine). Padlocks can usually be broken from the shackle with a hammer and some sort of cold chisel. Installed locks can be drilled through the cylinder. Use an electric drill (or a manual crank drill if you need more silence) and drill through the lock in a way that would remove the obstructing elements of the locking mechanisms. A general knowledge of how your lock is structured is a must. But more secure locks aren't as easy to break. For locks like medeco locks (which use ball bearings to prevent drilling), you're probably better off finding another way to bypass the lock (like a cutting a hole through the dry wall). Thermite, liquid nitrogen, thermic lances, and the rest of those exotic goodies are generally uncalled for.

[RoundElephant]

Medecos can be picked look on youtube.
And do you think that compressed air thing would work?

Just freeze it then put a screwdriver in the lock and knock out the pins one by one?

[KeepOnTruckin]

I gotta call BS on that video of frexing the lock. He froze it to -64 degrees and then picked it up with his bare hand? No way

[Leshrac]

I gotta call BS on that video of frexing the lock. He froze it to -64 degrees and then picked it up with his bare hand? No way

I confirm that what he did in this video is real, having done it myself in a similar manner for entertainment a few years back.

No way in hell i'd resort to busting a lock during a night op that way tho... talk about discretion :

*FRoooUUuuWChhHHHhHHHHh BAM ---- BAM*

[stdismas]

I wondered about that too, him talking about it freezing at -65 or whatever, then picking it up immediately after it got knocked off. Plus the lock looked whole when he busted it, just like the shackle popped out, and then he showed the separate shot of it being cracked in half. Hmmm...

And damn, I apologize and retract my earlier statement about Medecos. I guess I was out of touch! :eek: I went back and Youtubed videos on picking Medecos, and got results like this (where the lock looks similar to the pic you showed):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWcorBJcCgY

I did some more research, and this is what I found...Jon King from the video *is* a stand-up guy with the lockpicking community, and at LP101, who knows Medecos inside out...I mean, hell, he just invented the Medecoder (well, re-invented it) and Medeco was forced to redesign their pins so the sidebar grooves don't go all the way down. (Although according to Medeco, his tool would only affect 20% of their locks, but who knows when lock manufacturers are telling the truth about their products?)

I think everybody curious about defeating Medecos should read this first:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/179233/Makeup-and-Breakup-of-a-Medeco-Biaxial-Lock

And then go and download this video from Jon King:
http://theamazingking.com/images/locks/medecoder-vid.wmv

And read this article by Marc Weber Tobias:
http://www.thesidebar.org/insecurity/?p=145

Damn...I just wish I'd known about this before I installed the Medeco deadbolts on my doors. :)

[youngnastyman]

Gordon Freeman that bitch

[RoundElephant]

I wondered about that too, him talking about it freezing at -65 or whatever, then picking it up immediately after it got knocked off. Plus the lock looked whole when he busted it, just like the shackle popped out, and then he showed the separate shot of it being cracked in half. Hmmm...


I noticed that also.

[Trix Are For Kids]

You could try quick, airdry clay. Just stuff a piece in there, wait for it to dry. Never actually tried this, heard it works from a friend though, if not then just have fun knowing you fucked up some rich guys lock!

[RoundElephant]

Have you guys seen No Country for Old Men?

In it the main antagonist uses a pneumatic cattle slaughtering rod to punch the locks out of doors.

Today I was watching the history channel and they had a hand held version of this device. Instead of air it used cartridges (presumably filled with gun powder).

I want to know where i can purchase one of these, if I'm allowed to purchase these, and whether or not I can actually demolish a lock with one of these.