Urgent input required - Hostage situation

[NeoVerine]

Hi all, Ok just last night I stumbled upon this site again and turns out I'd registered here ages ago but then got busy with other stuff.

Ok now I need some realistic and serious input regarding a project that's in the works. If possible, please advise with sensible points, time is short, I need no monkey-business right now.


Setting:
Shitty little third world country. Law enforcement is fucked as whack.

Target: A rich mo-fo with no political ties. A real loner (along with his entire family). All in all, 8 members at home, 3 males in total, not too much of a fight from them can be expected. 5 females, only 2 are young (16-20), one middle aged, one VERY aged (so any kind of shock will render her pretty much useless anyway).

The target has over 14 million in US$ in the bank MINIMUM (all estimates point to over 20, but for the sake of over-exaggeration, studies have shown 14 to be a minimum sensible amount).

The process: Many scenarios have been looked at, best one so far goes like this.

On a weeknight, enter the house (not too much of a problem, no alarm system here, just a knock n bash through). Disable any threats from the main man of the house, douse with gasoline, tie up. Make him call the others one by one, douse them too and tie up. Once ALL members have been taken care of, sit them down, read out the demands. Not too much, 5mil. Tell them that once the banks open the next morning, they have 3 hours to arrange the funds, or they'll be roasted, no compromise. If need be, emphasize the seriousness of the situation by causing minor injuries to the main man, but not bad enough to render him useless in getting the funds (he won't collect it, his assistant will).

Next part is the delivery, once the funds are brought in, have someone ready to take them to a safe place. Once funds reach the safe place, leave the family alone n move out.



Problems:

The bastards are quite well known to the person looking to do this task in question. See at least one or two of them at least a couple of times a day minimum.

This is an old account too, the main bastard will also get this for he insulted the person who's going to do this task a good few years ago. Now the dust has settled, it'll be easier to pull the job.

Guys, there's about a 30 hour window until this whole scenario might be put into motion, please share some real ideas and possibilities.

Thanks.

[NeoVerine]

Sorry forgot to add a little more info.

Shitty country = even shitter tools (at least in the case of this craphole).

No access to anything yet, not even a 9mil or an antic revolver.

No access to any chems. So Gasoline and LPG tanks are the best options right now.

Needless to say, post-op, the guy doing the task, let's say Mr. X will get the hell out of the country.

[ObscuredByClouds]

On a weeknight, enter the house (not too much of a problem, no alarm system here, just a knock n bash through). Disable any threats from the main man of the house, douse with gasoline, tie up. Make him call the others one by one, douse them too and tie up. Once ALL members have been taken care of, sit them down, read out the demands. Not too much, 5mil. Tell them that once the banks open the next morning, they have 3 hours to arrange the funds, or they'll be roasted, no compromise. If need be, emphasize the seriousness of the situation by causing minor injuries to the main man, but not bad enough to render him useless in getting the funds (he won't collect it, his assistant will).

This won't work. Telling you that right now you will fuck up and you will be killed. You don't think someone with over 20 million dollars wouldn't have some sort of security? Even if it is a third world country, come on man, there's no way there's no security system in their house.

And don't try to sit them ALL down at once in the same place. All you need is to capture one of them. The youngest. Find out what school she goes to, who she hangs out with, whatever. Kidnap her and anonymously send the list of demands to the father. Keep the hostage in a safe location the whole time. Do not hurt her in any way. You want this to be clean. Buy her McDonalds or something. Then when you get the money badda bing badda boom release her and go on your merry way.

See how much easier it can be?

[NeoVerine]

Hi ObsucureByClouds, thanks for the reply. Ok here are a few things:

1. It is shocking but this git is a miser old bastard and when he's so filthy rich, he has ONE guard who he makes work at LEAST 18 hours a day. His "security" is that whenever someone rings the doorbell, he opens the inside door (wooden) and has a metal-grill door on the outside, which he doesn't open to unknown people. No alarm WHATSOEVER. He's such a miser bastard that he even does not have any full-time living-in maids, only part timers who come, work during the day and go away. Security systems in this entire country are something of rarity and this house definitely does not have it, I've been there enough times to scout the place.

2. I thought of capturing just one, which would've made the thing so much more easier. BUT this is a third world country where a male child is far more superior than a female child. And seeing how the main guy is such a tight bastard, picking up the male child himself might not guarantee the funds. So the best idea seemed to be, pick up BOTH of them, as there'll be no one to continue his lineage, THAT is when he will buckle under the pressure as he totally buys into this kind of bullshit.

3. Sitting them all down at once. Would it not be better to do it for a while? Whilst making the demands? so they others will EXPECT him to pay up and if he says no, then take more drastic measures, making the main guy feel more under pressure and eventually he'll give in to the demands. Well that's the thought behind the idea anyway, if you think it won't work for any reason, please kindly share.

Also, as for finding out who the youngest kid hangs out with, oh this is so shit. NONE OF THE KIDS are allowed to bring over any friends to the house, only the male child is RARELY allowed to socialise OUTSIDE with his friends. They basically only have each other's company (yes, that is how truly messed up this entire family is). And as for not hurting the kids, there's no such intent. There is however, the intent to teach the main guy a lesson for his past 'behaviour'.

[NeoVerine]

Also, just so you get an idea of HOW TIGHT this guy in question really is, picture this:

Three kids in the house, ranging from 15-19, not a SINGLE one OWNS a mobile phone in this day and age. No laptops or computer for any of the kids, only the "dad" (main man) owns a laptop which the male kid sometimes BORROWS for an hour or two, but that is it. Basically they're imprisoned in their 'own' home yet have all that bank balance.

The main man has a chauffeur who's already sold himself out and will do tasks to a degree as long as it doesn't burn him.

[senshido]

i dont believe that there are no guns in the country stop making shit up

[NeoVerine]

i dont believe that there are no guns in the country stop making shit up


I'm not making "shit" up you numbnut. I didn't say there are no guns in the country, they're just not available to me or anyone who comes here from abroad. This shithole has tonnes of guns, the military catches a few TRUCK loads every year. BUT mention a gun here n ppl in general r running for the exit route. The military has tonnes of guns which they sell on black but it's only super hush hush. Also, how much is a 9mm glock 17 in the US, illegal ofcourse? here, I'm being quoted over $4k WITHOUT THE MAG (another shit practice here, they wanna sell u a gun without mag so then u fork out for the mag afterwards)

[kingOfCrash]

OP, how old are you? Are the risks lower because you're in a shitty country? Here in the USA, what you're thinking of would probably land me in jail for the rest of my life, easily. The cops would be happy to have something to do. How does the chance of this being successful outweigh the risk of getting caught (which here, would be high)?

And, hypothetically, would you actually pull the trigger?

[Proots]

If he's doing it in another country - the chances of him ending up shot are increased ten fold. In America, they'll try to at least arrest you. Elsewhere, you might not be so lucky.

You better be prepared to beat the ever loving shit out of your captive. The last thing you want is some scared kid, thinking he's going to die - and feeling like he's backed into a corner. That's when people are the most dangerous. Be careful. Don't ever underestimate someone who believes their life is in danger.

[sexually vulnerable CPR dummy]

Watchin to many movies brah. Dousing somebody in gasoline could kill them but hey that just makes the job easier right?

[is all mememememe with me]

if this guy is such a miser old bastard that he wont put security around his family then are you so sure that he will pay to get them back?

and do you know how big $14 mil in cash is? thats a fucking big lump. you got a pallet and fork lift truck i take it?

[is all mememememe with me]

remember this

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[Proots]

if this guy is such a miser old bastard that he wont put security around his family then are you so sure that he will pay to get them back?

and do you know how big $14 mil in cash is? thats a fucking big lump. you got a pallet and fork lift truck i take it?

1 million - all in 100's - is going to weigh over 100lbs. 14 million is going to weigh over a thousand. So, you are posing to him a very serious and real question.

[NeoVerine]

kingOfCrash - Am 25, n the risks aren't "lower" in terms of the sentencing BUT the chances of getting caught are vastly reduced due to several reasons. Cops here are given guns that aren't sometimes FUNCTIONING. They're given 2 bullets a month and IF they shoot one, they have to collect the cartridge and keeping this in mind, they're VERY unwilling to shoot as this money comes out of their pay. Also, I've seen enough cops standing, using their guns as LEANING STICKS with their hand on the barrel, these ppl are horribly trained.

Midge - I don't wanna beat someone for no reason but if it has to be done, I gotta do it I guess. I get your point about not underestimating anyone, and I always TRY to keep this in my mind.

Thanks for the considerate inputs guys.

[is all mememememe with me]

1 million - all in 100's - is going to weigh over 100lbs. 14 million is going to weigh over a thousand. So, you are posing to him a very serious and real question.

i know, people watch movies and then think you can walk round with a few million dollars in a sports bag lol.

[Proots]

i know, people watch movies and then think you can walk round with a few million dollars in a sports bag lol.

I did a bit more research. They claim that 1 million, all in 100 dollar bills will weight anywhere from 220-225 pounds. So, even a measly 5 million dollars is going to weigh a thousand pounds.

[xannex]

I love how you have urgent in the title as if you're there this second.

[yawanur]

I didn't say there are no guns in the country, they're just not available to me

slipped!

[NeoVerine]

1 million - all in 100's - is going to weigh over 100lbs. 14 million is going to weigh over a thousand. So, you are posing to him a very serious and real question.


Good point. Thing is, in this country, the biggest note is of 1000, and it's very easily available. A bundle, less than an inch thick, represents 100k here, known as a 'lakh'. As for moving the amount, it'll be transported by car on the way out.

[NeoVerine]

I love how you have urgent in the title as if you're there this second.


True. Am sitting no far then 100 metres from the target. There's a bit of a deadline of the 18th, which gives me a very tight window indeed.

[is all mememememe with me]

I love how you have urgent in the title as if you're there this second.

thats why i was expecting some joker to say he was in the middle of a bank hold up or something, lol

[zuperxtreme]

Where are you OP?

[NeoVerine]

Where are you OP?

In a south-Asian country called Bangladesh (covered by India on 3 sides, and Burma by one side). It's a real piss-pot but so much money is splashed around that it's shocking to someone who's come here from the UK or US or any first world country for that matter.

[靠rent-a-jew輩]

100k here, known as a 'lakh'.

India

[ObscuredByClouds]

Hi ObsucureByClouds, thanks for the reply. Ok here are a few things:

1. It is shocking but this git is a miser old bastard and when he's so filthy rich, he has ONE guard who he makes work at LEAST 18 hours a day. His "security" is that whenever someone rings the doorbell, he opens the inside door (wooden) and has a metal-grill door on the outside, which he doesn't open to unknown people. No alarm WHATSOEVER. He's such a miser bastard that he even does not have any full-time living-in maids, only part timers who come, work during the day and go away. Security systems in this entire country are something of rarity and this house definitely does not have it, I've been there enough times to scout the place.

Okay, so no security. How are you planning on entering the house? If this guy does indeed live with 8 people, there is 8x the chance that you will be heard breaking in. Smashing a window or something, they'll defs hear you. Hell, the neighbors will probably even hear you. Then you, what, go upstairs and find the dad, then grab him, douse him in gasoline, and ask him to call his family members one by one? I think that as soon as you start doing something like this, things will go chaotic. People will be screaming, they might even overpower you. Or the ones who aren't tied up yet could call the cops, or get a gun and bust a cap in your ass. You really don't know what these people are capable of, especially since it's in a third world country, you could get your ass handed to you very easily.

2. I thought of capturing just one, which would've made the thing so much more easier. BUT this is a third world country where a male child is far more superior than a female child. And seeing how the main guy is such a tight bastard, picking up the male child himself might not guarantee the funds. So the best idea seemed to be, pick up BOTH of them, as there'll be no one to continue his lineage, THAT is when he will buckle under the pressure as he totally buys into this kind of bullshit.

Well, you know him better than I do I guess. But I still think you should keep it to kidnapping one person. Then you only have to worry about being found, and keeping control of one person. Instead of 8. The whole situation just seems extremely high risk, with a very high chance that you will fuck it up.

3. Sitting them all down at once. Would it not be better to do it for a while? Whilst making the demands? so they others will EXPECT him to pay up and if he says no, then take more drastic measures, making the main guy feel more under pressure and eventually he'll give in to the demands. Well that's the thought behind the idea anyway, if you think it won't work for any reason, please kindly share.

It could probably work if you actually get them all together, but the problem is actually doing it. Do you really think you can simply walk into a millionaires house and capture himself along with 7 of his family members without being seen or heard? They don't even have this shit in movies.

Also, as for finding out who the youngest kid hangs out with, oh this is so shit. NONE OF THE KIDS are allowed to bring over any friends to the house, only the male child is RARELY allowed to socialise OUTSIDE with his friends. They basically only have each other's company (yes, that is how truly messed up this entire family is). And as for not hurting the kids, there's no such intent. There is however, the intent to teach the main guy a lesson for his past 'behaviour'.

So then if you want to punish the main guy, just punish him and him alone. bringing his family into this is a whole lot of extra work that will only help you to get your brains splattered across the living room wall.

[NeoVerine]

ObscuredByClouds, thanks a lot for taking the time out and explaining it all. I'll reply in detail very soon.

[Crashwangdoodle]

Good point. Thing is, in this country, the biggest note is of 1000, and it's very easily available. A bundle, less than an inch thick, represents 100k here, known as a 'lakh'. As for moving the amount, it'll be transported by car on the way out.

If you are indeed in India, you're a fucking retard. Cops do have guns there, fair enough they have wooden sticks too they're just not trigger happy like Syria. And you're an ever bigger retard if you can't get a gun.. I have Grand-Uncles there with guns.. They're fucking dinosaurs! The least you could get is a shotgun! Your plan is filled with holes like Indian bank notes (for some reason people seem to staple them together..), why the fuck wouldn't his assistant warn anyone? huh? Indian SWAT coming your way. Either elaborate a bit more and think or give up.

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200905/r368966_1710922.jpg
^ That's the UK actually, bulletproof turbans ftw.
And in case you didn't realise, Israel is training the Indian special forces, and although your case isn't equivalent to a terrorist attack, i'm just pointing out they're not useless..

ps: i'm half-indian so not all that was pulled out of my ass

[sexually vulnerable CPR dummy]

Have you ever done anything like this before? I'd say the chance of this working is pretty slim. Like.. Everyone here pretty much already said it, this is the kind of shit you hear about on the news after your plan blunders.

"Attempted robbery results in suspect getting shot over 200 times."

[NeoVerine]

If you are indeed in India, you're a fucking retard. Cops do have guns there, fair enough they have wooden sticks too they're just not trigger happy like Syria. And you're an ever bigger retard if you can't get a gun.. I have Grand-Uncles there with guns.. They're fucking dinosaurs! The least you could get is a shotgun! Your plan is filled with holes like Indian bank notes (for some reason people seem to staple them together..), why the fuck wouldn't his assistant warn anyone? huh? Indian SWAT coming your way. Either elaborate a bit more and think or give up.

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200905/r368966_1710922.jpg
^ That's the UK actually, bulletproof turbans ftw.
And in case you didn't realise, Israel is training the Indian special forces, and although your case isn't equivalent to a terrorist attack, i'm just pointing out they're not useless..

ps: i'm half-indian so not all that was pulled out of my ass



For a start, CALM THE FUCK DOWN LITTLE BOY 'cos you might be "half" indian but u sure as fuck a certified 100% dumbfuck. I didn't say was in India, it was what another poster who'd SUGGESTED it. You started well, saying if I was in India indeed, but then you just went on to be totally abusive and a right dumbass. Well Mr. Dumbass, here are a few things. First of all, I'm NOT in India, I've posted already stating I'm in Bangladesh but it's not been updated YET, so I myself am still waiting for it to be clarified. Second of all, yes cops here DO have guns and most of these guns, or "dinosaurs" as u so aptly put it, are so old that they'd be better off using these 'guns' as sticks rather than shooting with'em. Bangladesh in some ways are VERY different from India, which you obviously don't seem to know about anyway. The elite law enforcement agency here, aka the "RAB", have been trained by the NY SWAT team and they now hold regular drills with help from the US military which is making a couple of bases in the south of the country, so I have no intention of having any kinda run in with the RAB as it'll be blatantly stupid.

You say I could get a shotgun, yes I can, n what the fuck is that gonna do? in the black market a SINGLE 9mm bullet here costs 500 taka, which is about £4.20 and even more in US$, and then the hardest part is GETTING RELIABLE SUPPLIES. Guns made IN this country are sold dirt cheap but they have a nice habit of blowing up on the shooter himself, so that's a total no no.

You made a good point asking WHY won't his assistant warn anyone, well, he won't 'cos the owner (or the main man, aka his employer) will tell him to keep his gob shut, and you seem to know about India, so you know how piss-poorly people in these regions are paid, and the assistant is more than thankful for the measly £45.00 he gets a month and obeys his employer like he's some sorta God himself. THAT is why, he won't wanna jeopardise the lives of the entire family of his boss, and hence, keep his mouth shut.

The bottom line is, they family will not be allowed to contact ANY OUTSIDERS other than the assistant who'll be required to bring the money (WITHOUT dye packs, which'll be checked JUST in case). Also, I've not ruled out of the idea of someone getting a clever idea so when leaving, the main man will be taken as hostage for a while, only when everything is safe, he'll be kicked out onto the streets or somewhere, in a blindfold most likely (or maybe a bag over his head).

[iswim]

This could go sooo wrong, or it could go sooo right. Some tips.

-Definitely grab just 1 person, maybe 2, the 2 most valuable to whoever has the cash. Kidnapping 8 people is idiotic. It cuts the chances of this working out significantly, unless you have several armed men do it, which you said you don't.

-You're going to need a gun, a little handgun. This will increase the chances of this working by a lot. A dad will give anything to get a gun away from his kid's head. If you don't have a gun, the people won't freak out as much AND they could overpower you, which would be catastrophic.

-Break in silently. Don't smash a window with a hammer if there is 8 people inside. They will hear you. You said you know this house pretty well. Find an easier entry, like a sliding door, or something else silent.

-Be as intimidating as possible. Say you will cut his daughter's head off if he doesn't give you the money. Say it like you mean it. Yell. It gets under their skin. Tell the dad, or whoever has the wealth, that if he contacts police, he will never see his kids again.

The risk here is massive, but then again, so is the reward, if he indeed does have $14m-$20m in the bank. Pulling off something like this would have a sentence of 25 years to life, but a reward of up to $10m.

[NeoVerine]

Okay, so no security. How are you planning on entering the house? If this guy does indeed live with 8 people, there is 8x the chance that you will be heard breaking in. Smashing a window or something, they'll defs hear you. Hell, the neighbors will probably even hear you. Then you, what, go upstairs and find the dad, then grab him, douse him in gasoline, and ask him to call his family members one by one? I think that as soon as you start doing something like this, things will go chaotic. People will be screaming, they might even overpower you. Or the ones who aren't tied up yet could call the cops, or get a gun and bust a cap in your ass. You really don't know what these people are capable of, especially since it's in a third world country, you could get your ass handed to you very easily.



Well, you know him better than I do I guess. But I still think you should keep it to kidnapping one person. Then you only have to worry about being found, and keeping control of one person. Instead of 8. The whole situation just seems extremely high risk, with a very high chance that you will fuck it up.




It could probably work if you actually get them all together, but the problem is actually doing it. Do you really think you can simply walk into a millionaires house and capture himself along with 7 of his family members without being seen or heard? They don't even have this shit in movies.




So then if you want to punish the main guy, just punish him and him alone. bringing his family into this is a whole lot of extra work that will only help you to get your brains splattered across the living room wall.




Great inputs ObscuredByClouds, appreciate the time and effort you're putting into this, Thank you. Ok, now, these 8 people, you can count them more as 4. WHY? Well, the 3 males are ok, but the other 5 women, 1's over 90, another's over 50, one's over 40, and the other 2 r in their teens. How I intend to get in, THAT I can manage, I already have built up a rapport with them so it won't be impossible at all. People in this part of the world seem to be shit scared of anything, especially these "rich" types who are always scared for some strange reason (hey, they have the money, won't invest in security, yet wants to be safe. Greedy lot). Ok, NO ONE will call the cops 'cos if they do, they all burn, gasoline loves a spark n they'll surely be ALL drenched in it.



I understand your point and if I was moving them, I'd definitely stick to ONE, but as it'll all be done in THEIR premises (oh sorry forgot to mention, THEY own NO GUNS as it's expensive to own guns here in the cities due to mega high taxation and these people are just not the type, I've looked into that. The miser has shit connections, just enough to run his business and be a total reclusive nutjob, hence he has his office at home so doesn't have to go out much).


They don't 'cos the movies are based MOSTLY on western countries where the average joe has the least degree of common sense at least. If I was half as rich as this mug, I'd have armed guard around my house, but these people don't even invest in an ALARM or guard dogs. Again, mind boggling.

[NeoVerine]

Have you ever done anything like this before? I'd say the chance of this working is pretty slim. Like.. Everyone here pretty much already said it, this is the kind of shit you hear about on the news after your plan blunders.

"Attempted robbery results in suspect getting shot over 200 times."



Thanks for the point amigo. I'll keep in mind. And no I've not done something like this before hence am here sharing the idea so I can get all your angles on it too in case I've missed some bits where I might fail. Thanks once again.

[NeoVerine]

This could go sooo wrong, or it could go sooo right. Some tips.

-Definitely grab just 1 person, maybe 2, the 2 most valuable to whoever has the cash. Kidnapping 8 people is idiotic. It cuts the chances of this working out significantly, unless you have several armed men do it, which you said you don't.

-You're going to need a gun, a little handgun. This will increase the chances of this working by a lot. A dad will give anything to get a gun away from his kid's head. If you don't have a gun, the people won't freak out as much AND they could overpower you, which would be catastrophic.

-Break in silently. Don't smash a window with a hammer if there is 8 people inside. They will hear you. You said you know this house pretty well. Find an easier entry, like a sliding door, or something else silent.

-Be as intimidating as possible. Say you will cut his daughter's head off if he doesn't give you the money. Say it like you mean it. Yell. It gets under their skin. Tell the dad, or whoever has the wealth, that if he contacts police, he will never see his kids again.

The risk here is massive, but then again, so is the reward, if he indeed does have $14m-$20m in the bank. Pulling off something like this would have a sentence of 25 years to life, but a reward of up to $10m.


Thanks a lot, some great points, very kind of you. I like the idea of the gun, hence I've spent the entire evening (it's nearly 1am here) trying to see MAYBE if I can postpone it by a few days, go out to the countryside, and nab a cop's pistol (i've seen some of those bastards walking around with 9mms, but these are of the rank of SI or Sub-Inspector and so I'm trying to see how the plan works out if I do delay it slightly in order to get some firepower.

As for the threats being convincing, yes totally agreed. However, knowing that scumbag, I know what a moron he is and how he'll give in a lot more quickly if he was to lose a toe or two to begin with. Besides, these people have a lot of taboos n if his daughter was "touched" (just to scare the shit out of him), the rest of the family would put mega pressure on him to cough up the cash.

Once again, thanks for the input, much appreciated.

[vovka351]

Guys, this man has an opportunity. Just man up and do it OP. You're gonna want to rent a truck to move the money. Report back from public internets. Skip country.

You're sitting on a wonderful opportunity...

[NeoVerine]

Guys, this man has an opportunity. Just man up and do it OP. You're gonna want to rent a truck to move the money. Report back from public internets. Skip country.

You're sitting on a wonderful opportunity...


vovka351 - Thanks a lot for the support buddy, much appreciated. Yes, I've been scouting this country for the past two years now, trying to get as much info on things as possible. I need a half decent job to set me up with some hardware to hit the big stuff. Believe it or not, the BIG GOVERNMENTAL BANKS here only started using CCTV from 2006, and even now the private banks have no alarm system apart from the top 1 or 2, such is the state of this country. So pulling small jobs aren't the biggest problem, and before I was mostly scared of identification but the way I see it, if I make enough to disappear, I'll just change my appearance n identity (if u have money, u can just buy it, well here at least, I can have 10 passports in a week) n get the hell outta here n back to London or just move to Canada or somewhere similar.

Thanks once again.

[senshido]

I'm not making "shit" up you numbnut. I didn't say there are no guns in the country, they're just not available to me or anyone who comes here from abroad. This shithole has tonnes of guns, the military catches a few TRUCK loads every year. BUT mention a gun here n ppl in general r running for the exit route. The military has tonnes of guns which they sell on black but it's only super hush hush. Also, how much is a 9mm glock 17 in the US, illegal ofcourse? here, I'm being quoted over $4k WITHOUT THE MAG (another shit practice here, they wanna sell u a gun without mag so then u fork out for the mag afterwards)

You are an idiot if you cant get a gun in a third world country and want to do crimes

[MrSinister]

This thread is so awesome. Good luck OP.

[vovka351]

Perhaps you could visit a hardware store and build yourself a pipe gun, there's plenty of instructions on the internet... it'd be enough for emergency use.

[Terrestrial Mass]

how does someone just come up with 5 million dollars?wouldnt they have to go to the bank personally and hope they have that much in their safe? it would be a week long process that would raise so many red flags all over the banks. dont do it

[idgaf]

And this will be your downfall. Creating a thread on Zoklet about every detail of how you will commit this crime.

[RadioFree]

I did a bit more research. They claim that 1 million, all in 100 dollar bills will weight anywhere from 220-225 pounds. So, even a measly 5 million dollars is going to weigh a thousand pounds.

This is retarded. I have worked with large sums of cash and you can pick up a million dollars in 50 dollar notes and carry it easily, let alone 100 dollar notes. 5 million even in 50s would fit in a car trunk with plenty of room to spare.

[NeoVerine]

You are an idiot if you cant get a gun in a third world country and want to do crimes


Oh yeah amigo you're spot on. Like this is some South American country where even half decent useful shit are made that I can buy local products as there are drug cartels and shit, right? You're an utter moron for generalising all third world countries. This country's ruled by military from top to bottom with puppet governments in place. This is not India where Goa is run by druglords. Mumbai's underworld dons don't even take much interest here yet 'cos things are so shit here. And yeah am an idiot 'cos I haven't whacked over a cop for his gun and stoke up the situation. Am TRYING TO KEEP AS LOW A PROFILE AS I CAN NUMBNUT. Hence the idea that I'll go out to the COUNTRYSIDE, in some shitter rural area to get my hands on something from the cops. Geez, it's one thing watching all those hollywood films to get ideas but try to match things up with REALITY and TRY to understand that circumstances are not same everywhere u idiot. This isn't Pakistan where shooting guns is part of the culture by any means. Even LEGALLY you can't own a handgun here anymore for the past 4 years 'cos the govt. only allows 500 licenses in this REGION (the country's split into 7 divisions and each division has a quota which it cannot exceed).

If you have some USEFUL input, please share, otherwise go back to playing gangster with ur little buddies kid. Am ON the ground, not 1000s of miles away THINKING I know the place.

[NeoVerine]

This thread is so awesome. Good luck OP.

MrSinister - Thanks a lot mate.

[NeoVerine]

Perhaps you could visit a hardware store and build yourself a pipe gun, there's plenty of instructions on the internet... it'd be enough for emergency use.

vovka351 - I've got some really good YT vids on how to do them and again I keep hitting the same wall, the ammo. It seems that without burning (not literally) some fucker, I can't get my hands on anything real. I have another option where I can use a local "lineman" to set up a deal but then IF the hardware is good enough for the job, then I gotta burn him too 'cos the prices of decent hardware here are more than stupid. These people are such nosy bastards that even on the dark side, these fuckers try to find out WHY u need it so they can extort you, a total bunch of a/holes.

[NeoVerine]

how does someone just come up with 5 million dollars?wouldnt they have to go to the bank personally and hope they have that much in their safe? it would be a week long process that would raise so many red flags all over the banks. dont do it


Terrestrial Mass - Things here are VERY diff. than UK/US or places like that. This guy has a big businesses and every month he trades between $4-5million anyway (notice it's his overall trade amount, not just profit).

How it works is, he writes a cheque, his assistant goes to the bank, and withdraws the amount. Identity theft here is still unheard of BECAUSE in your bank, they have to know you personally if you're collecting anything more than 50k in local money (about £360 give or take). See, if the assistant goes and withdraws, it'll arouse no suspicions.

[NeoVerine]

And this will be your downfall. Creating a thread on Zoklet about every detail of how you will commit this crime.


If it was in anywhere in Europe or North America or even Australia and New Zealand, I'd not be discussing this at all. But here, even if they find out, the amount of time it'll take them to put it all together, translate it all, get through all their red-tape bullshit, i'll be sitting somewhere safe in another hemisphere. See, forensics only started up in this country 3 years ago and now even that's a breaking point 'cos of funding issues due to corruption. This place is a total pisspot, imagine the worst parts of Brazil but without any guns or people with balls. People here are dumb enough that in one of the biggest robberies in recent years, they did the robbery, WITHOUT masks, clearly recognisable, took the money, went back to THEIR PLACE and were picked up within 4-5 hours. Me on the other hand, I have several options and none of them involve coming back to where I've been staying of course. Do the job, leave the country via land, sea or air.

[Repugnance]

NeoVerine - You will need a way of taking over all the residents without getting busted. Im starting to think this may be a 2 man job just because of how many people there are that could flee the house.

If they let you in their house, maybe you could poison them.

Chloroform when they are separated?

Make sure you have duct tape or something to keep them quiet.

Would be really interested in hearing back from you man, if I had this opportunity I'd be in the same boat.

[NeoVerine]

NeoVerine - You will need a way of taking over all the residents without getting busted. Im starting to think this may be a 2 man job just because of how many people there are that could flee the house.

If they let you in their house, maybe you could poison them.

Chloroform when they are separated?

Make sure you have duct tape or something to keep them quiet.

Would be really interested in hearing back from you man, if I had this opportunity I'd be in the same boat.


Repugnance - Thanks for that dude. I know what you mean about it being a more than one man job. I could draft in two more hands and basically make it a 3 man job n that'd make the whole situation so much more simpler but am slightly concerned about the other 2 'cos they're locals n they lack the understanding of how easily they can get caught afterwards. Chloroform, yes that'd be a great way to go, I'm not worried about getting in and capturing all of them, am more concerned about getting out of the place.

They'll let me in, n then I'd have to just get one of the important people and the others will follow suit (the kids dnt have mobiles AND they're not very bright so not like they can dial a number n let someone hear what's going on). The main problem will be convincing the main guy that either pay up or the entire family is done for, and then getting OUT Of the city. see, the entire city has only 2 exits, and the capital is over 400 kilometres away once I've left them there, it'll give them plenty of time to seek help 'cos in the daytime, people will come to visit the house in the afternoon (they usually do) and find them like that. I thought of catching a flight out, it'll be a really short flight BUT problem is, how do i transfer the money? No way in hell am i gnna shit it through a courier service. So basically,

1. I go by road, take the money with me, chances of getting searched will be dead high once they're free.

2. I catch a flight, get someone else to carry the money for me (i don't like this at all) 'cos that much money might make someone get ideas, or if done thru courier, the risk is far too big.

[Repugnance]

1. I go by road, take the money with me, chances of getting searched will be dead high once they're free.

2. I catch a flight, get someone else to carry the money for me (i don't like this at all) 'cos that much money might make someone get ideas, or if done thru courier, the risk is far too big.

I think going by road is the better option. I dont know how your airports are, but carrying 5 million cash would be a no no in the US.

Your right, chances of getting searched will be dead high ONCE theyre free. Keep them tied up. Make it so after they reach your demands one of the people that visits the house will see them and release them. You didnt say how far any of the 2 exits are but by doing it this way you could possibly be out of the country by the time their shit poor patrols find out about the robbery.

[NeoVerine]

I think going by road is the better option. I dont know how your airports are, but carrying 5 million cash would be a no no in the US.

Your right, chances of getting searched will be dead high ONCE theyre free. Keep them tied up. Make it so after they reach your demands one of the people that visits the house will see them and release them. You didnt say how far any of the 2 exits are but by doing it this way you could possibly be out of the country by the time their shit poor patrols find out about the robbery.

Repugnance - Thanks for the quick reply dude. Ok, This city's quite small, consists of 3 major roads only. The whole city's about 6 miles in length by 4 miles in width. Am right near the centre point of it, the job will be done in the centre point too. Now, going through the airports with that amount of cash, IMPOSSIBLE. Anyone over a few grands (UK£ or US$) will arouse suspicions when they'll check at the airport. Train seemed like my best option but it's the longest journey (between 11-14 hours, depending on delays which are always happening here with every train). Bus seems good but on buses, they get onboard and record every single person's face in the good buses, and on the shit ones, there are no such safety measures BUT they're the ones mostly in road accidents. So if I want to take the bus out, on one hand, I've to compromise safety to take it safely, on the other, I've to risk having my face recorded, something I have no intention of doing. Train looks like a good bet but there's another way, hiring a car and doing a road trip but even that'll be subject to random checks.

Sorry about the distance from the exits. One's about 4 miles from the potential jobsite and the other is longer way around and about 12 miles out (basically this is going in the opposite direction from the destination city and going through many small country roads and taking the long way out). Second route is much longer and narrower, no chance for high speed travel.

[TORTILLA]

rape the daughters in front of main man, let him know the seriousness of your intent. If not, you'll plant your seed

Side Note - As well, make the children perform sexual acts on each other. Douse them with gasoline during if desired.

[NeoVerine]

rape the daughters in front of main man, let him know the seriousness of your intent. If not, you'll plant your seed

Side Note - As well, make the children perform sexual acts on each other. Douse them with gasoline during if desired.



Tortilla - YOU SIR, ARE ONE CRAZY FUCKER AND I LOVE YOUR IDEA! Lol. Ok the thoughts of having my own way with the daughters have crossed my mind but I have kept that as a last resort if he doesn't wanna pay up. I've also thought about stripping entire family naked n taking pics so I'll tell them how the entire city'll see these if I don't get paid. (these people are suckers for "prestige" and false position in the society). Good Ideas amigo, muchas gracias!

[Mirana]

I just assume everyone in Bad Ideas is trolling.

I'm also guessing you're just some loser in the suburbs with a retarded fantasy portraying all this out.

[NeoVerine]

I just assume everyone in Bad Ideas is trolling.

I'm also guessing you're just some loser in the suburbs with a retarded fantasy portraying all this out.


Thanks a lot for that Mirana. Just 'cos you're trolling, doesn't mean everyone else is my friend :-) You can guess all you want but it means squat. There are some people here with great ideas and goes to show they're thinking along the right lines, so all kinds of people are on these forums.

Happy trolling you troll.

[twister]

dude "if u aint trollin then stop the rollin "

seriously man dont do something crazy like that , the moral consequence is very high , unless u have absolute no respect towards another human being, if shit hits the fan will u be able to live with yourself with whatever action you choose to do ? and lets say everything goes as planned will u think that u have scarred for life that family ? you seem like a nice guy, usually guys willing to pull this off are complete dickheads, well whatever u decide i hope u understand the consequences and be happy with the descision u take :)

['Ed Rush]

This thread is so fucking fake I can't even believe some of you are playing along.

:facepalm:

[twister]

dear mr ed rush
manny times we read, or hear on the news that some crazy motherfucker did some crazy motherfucking shit and posted the crap on the internet before he motherfucking did it. i hope hes trolling, but if he aint i would feel better knowing that i tried to stop him and reassured him the consequences and wished him well on whatever descision he takes. thank you for your time.

sincerely
someone who gives a fuck

[NeoVerine]

dude "if u aint trollin then stop the rollin "

seriously man dont do something crazy like that , the moral consequence is very high , unless u have absolute no respect towards another human being, if shit hits the fan will u be able to live with yourself with whatever action you choose to do ? and lets say everything goes as planned will u think that u have scarred for life that family ? you seem like a nice guy, usually guys willing to pull this off are complete dickheads, well whatever u decide i hope u understand the consequences and be happy with the descision u take :)



twister - Thanks for that nice message mate, appreciate the kind words. I'm in this shit situation due to my morality actually, had I been this pissed off n stood my ground in the past, today I'd not need to think about pulling these kinds of jobs, sadly, that's not how it worked out. Also, with the main man in question, I have NO QUALMS in giving him what he deserves. I've known the bastard for a few years now and whatever he gets will be less than what he truly deserves, even if it involves him becoming human charcoal.

Once again, thanks for the kind words and I'll be heading into this with a clear conscience, the way I see it, EVEN in the extreme case that he doesn't pay up, he gets burnt, so it's a win/win for me either way, I just gotta get the heck outta the country after that though :-p

[NeoVerine]

This thread is so fucking fake I can't even believe some of you are playing along.

:facepalm:


Feel free to think whatever you're thinking buddy, but just 'cos you don't have any real inputs, no need to flame others who're actually being very kind and helping me out a lot. I can't discuss these things with anyone here so those individuals who have taken this seriously, and discussed this matter, some things are being really cleared up (i.e. - exit route, transfer of the amount n all).

But yeah, knock urself out by flaming my thread n those who're kind enough to help, if that's what it takes to get your high.

ALPHA - MIKE - FOXTROT ;-)

[TORTILLA]

Check his first posts from almost a year ago. I read through em, his story is consistent. He'd have to be a pretty epic troll to hold the same line for a year.

Found this excerpt on Bangladesh prison life.

Each prison in Bangladesh has teams of fly killers and the government has a relatively complex method of tracking their kills for the purpose of reducing their sentence. Fly killers work six hours per day in shifts of three. Most prisoners kill flies with their bare hands, but some prisoners have improvised fly swatters from leaves and sticks. The most proficient fly killers view these implements of death as amateurish and liable to smear the work product.

In order for a prisoner to receive credit for his work day, he must show a minimum of six dead flies per hour. Flies that are smashed beyond recognition are not counted.

Mohammad Aiyb Quadri is serving a fifteen year sentence in Dhaka’s prison for poisoning his neighbour’s livestock, as well and his neighbour’s wife.
http://bangladeshasiasdirtylittlesecret.blogspot.com/2007/12/blog-post.html

Basically, don't get caught. Have several escape plans if shit hits the fan. Make sure you've fully thought through all possible unanticipated variables. I still don't see how 1 man is going to round up an entire household, bind them all, and even clear all the rooms to make sure everyone is dealt with.

Also, the use of poo is a good demoralizing agent. Perhaps prepare some before entering the house. If need be, smear some in the face of man. Rub the family down with it. Peeing will work to, It will need to be in the orifices of family members because Just peeing on their skin is bearable.

[NeoVerine]

dear mr ed rush
manny times we read, or hear on the news that some crazy motherfucker did some crazy motherfucking shit and posted the crap on the internet before he motherfucking did it. i hope hes trolling, but if he aint i would feel better knowing that i tried to stop him and reassured him the consequences and wished him well on whatever descision he takes. thank you for your time.

sincerely
someone who gives a fuck


twister - Thanks for your kind efforts, you seem like a genuinely nice person who's trying to stop something not so nice from happening, and I understand where you're coming from. However, am not leaving this country without attempting something worthwhile. This place is screaming out to get hit, the money transfer policy here is a joke (bank transfers that is). Armoured cars are total bollocks too... Since starting to reply here from y'day, I'm really considering napping some cop tools now, thanks to those who've contributed so well!

[NeoVerine]

Check his first posts from almost a year ago. I read through em, his story is consistent. He'd have to be a pretty epic troll to hold the same line for a year.

Found this excerpt on Bangladesh prison life.


http://bangladeshasiasdirtylittlesecret.blogspot.com/2007/12/blog-post.html

Basically, don't get caught. Have several escape plans if shit hits the fan. Make sure you've fully thought through all possible unanticipated variables. I still don't see how 1 man is going to round up an entire household, bind them all, and even clear all the rooms to make sure everyone is dealt with.

Also, the use of poo is a good demoralizing agent. Perhaps prepare some before entering the house. If need be, smear some in the face of man. Rub the family down with it. Peeing will work to, It will need to be in the orifices of family members because Just peeing on their skin is bearable.


Tortilla - WOW! Great find mate, thanks for finding that. And love the "demoralising agent" idea, damn, lol this is why it's "good to talk". Horrible stuff but it might just work!!!

[twister]

regarding tortillas post

they dont need to know that one man is running the show if they are blindfolded ;)

to neo

make sure to leave no trace behind including this comp or laptop ur using to write on this forum , we all know that ur jsut writing a fiction story for ur new up coming book , but incase someone does does things in real life so it doesnt seem it has any connection with you ;)

[NeoVerine]

regarding tortillas post

they dont need to know that one man is running the show if they are blindfolded ;)

to neo

make sure to leave no trace behind including this comp or laptop ur using to write on this forum , we all know that ur jsut writing a fiction story for ur new up coming book , but incase someone does does things in real life so it doesnt seem it has any connection with you ;)


twister - VERY good point amigo, thanks a lot for that. Yes, of course, i'll burn this heap of junk just in case there's a coincidental similar incident! :-P

[TORTILLA]

HAhaha ok I have to stop. Please do not do anything that I have posted in this thread. Just typing those scenarios though brought me pure laughter. It was good I needed a good laugh to cheer me up lately.

Please note I agree with twister on this, don't do it. But if you do: I understand why people do, feeling backed in a corner or absolutely fed up or w/e the situation. If so I'll tell you this man, just don't hurt anyone. Get the fuckin money and go. If this guy really is the piece of shit that you say he is, the traumatic event of a home invasion with your family is payback enough. Just don't hurt anyone. The only reason I say this can be summed up in 40 seconds

1:40-2:20
Joe Rogan on Religion - YouTube

Say you do/dont hurt them, and make a clean get away. Are you able to honestly live the rest of your life a happy person? Do you think these actions might just morally fuck with you for the rest of your life? I don't know, but it seems to me that some people have the ability to detach some of their actions from morality and happiness. But I don't honestly believe that the majority of us can. good luck

[twister]

did anyone notice the site was down for a couple minutes ? i smell a rat, watch out guys pigs are sniffing everywhere these days .

[NeoVerine]

HAhaha ok I have to stop. Please do not do anything that I have posted in this thread. Just typing those scenarios though brought me pure laughter. It was good I needed a good laugh to cheer me up lately.

Please note I agree with twister on this, don't do it. But if you do: I understand why people do, feeling backed in a corner or absolutely fed up or w/e the situation. If so I'll tell you this man, just don't hurt anyone. Get the fuckin money and go. If this guy really is the piece of shit that you say he is, the traumatic event of a home invasion with your family is payback enough. Just don't hurt anyone. The only reason I say this can be summed up in 40 seconds

1:40-2:20
Joe Rogan on Religion - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVbc0b5yN1M)

Say you do/dont hurt them, and make a clean get away. Are you able to honestly live the rest of your life a happy person? Do you think these actions might just morally fuck with you for the rest of your life? I don't know, but it seems to me that some people have the ability to detach some of their actions from morality and happiness. But I don't honestly believe that the majority of us can. good luck


Thanks amigo, honestly appreciate the support and kind words. Thanks for your inputs too. Take care.

[NeoVerine]

did anyone notice the site was down for a couple minutes ? i smell a rat, watch out guys pigs are sniffing everywhere these days .

twister - I noticed it y'day too, i don't get it. At first I thought the feds took the site down but then I thought that why now of all times? n now as well... just weird, but yeah I'm no tech-brain but seems like someone is either trying to put ppl off posting OR maybe the fed bastards r tryna trace everyone. Geez!

[skygear]

everymorning @midnight the site goes offline for a backup.

[NeoVerine]

everymorning @midnight the site goes offline for a backup.

skygear - didn't know that, thanks. Still, feeling quite paranoid! Can never be too careful these days. Good I'm outta US and EU jurisdiction right now!

[twister]

well its 12:30 in hawaii , is the server there?

[skygear]

global time

[riverdonk]

Got three reasons why this won't work.
1. You've been watching too many movies.
2. This is obviously the first time you've put or been put in a situation like this before and there are so many holes in your plan that I won't point out because I want to see the newspaper report on the back page about a failed kidnapping attempt in some foreign country that resulted in all members of the attacking party to be killed in a firefight and hung by their dicks until they rot and break off from the strain of your dead weight corpse.
3. You just wont do it and are trying to look cool on the internetz. You do this with video and I'll suicide myself on stikam LIVE with a tablesaw. Or try too. If it hurts too bad since I planned on starting between my legs anyways , you might just get to see me pop myself with my 1911.
Whichever way the wind blows , I hope the bullets don't riddle your face with slugs so terribly I cant recognize you. I want to blow a wad to the face of the guy on zoklet that tried to kidnap someone.

Also :

You are an idiot if you cant get a gun in a third world country and want to do crimes

So you already failed before you get a gun , dont try that single shot made in a hurry shit. It doesn't stand up well to semi automatic weapons , even if children were shooting them at you.
Get off the jenkem or whatever you people huff in your poor ass country.
Cause if you don't have a black market for guns , you must not have one for drugs. So you gaiz mus b huffin da poopoo

[Proots]

This is retarded. I have worked with large sums of cash and you can pick up a million dollars in 50 dollar notes and carry it easily, let alone 100 dollar notes. 5 million even in 50s would fit in a car trunk with plenty of room to spare.

Yeah, you can pick up a million dollars - but, it's going to be heavy as fuck. I don't believe you could "easily" life 400 pounds. Unless you're like, a renowned body builder or something.

This is in reference to "American" dollars.

[NeoVerine]

Got three reasons why this won't work.
1. You've been watching too many movies.
2. This is obviously the first time you've put or been put in a situation like this before and there are so many holes in your plan that I won't point out because I want to see the newspaper report on the back page about a failed kidnapping attempt in some foreign country that resulted in all members of the attacking party to be killed in a firefight and hung by their dicks until they rot and break off from the strain of your dead weight corpse.
3. You just wont do it and are trying to look cool on the internetz. You do this with video and I'll suicide myself on stikam LIVE with a tablesaw. Or try too. If it hurts too bad since I planned on starting between my legs anyways , you might just get to see me pop myself with my 1911.
Whichever way the wind blows , I hope the bullets don't riddle your face with slugs so terribly I cant recognize you. I want to blow a wad to the face of the guy on zoklet that tried to kidnap someone.

Also :



So you already failed before you get a gun , dont try that single shot made in a hurry shit. It doesn't stand up well to semi automatic weapons , even if children were shooting them at you.
Get off the jenkem or whatever you people huff in your poor ass country.
Cause if you don't have a black market for guns , you must not have one for drugs. So you gaiz mus b huffin da poopoo



You're right, I HAVE been watching too many movies, as they've helped a lot already with many ideas and plans.

There won't be any firefight 'cos the target does not have any weapons, AND no law enforcement can be contacted or the entire family burns.

You think I won't do it, fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion. I don't see the fun in "trying to look cool on the internet", I don't know any of you guys here, you don't know me. I couldn't give a monkey what others thought of me, hence I'm not taking this personally, but you certainly seem like a guy who thinks by dishing out verbal abuse, your testicles increase several folds in size, goodluck with that.

Only a moron would document something like this on video, i.e. - YOU, as you're suggesting it, how strange! Perhaps this is so you can look 'cool' to your junkie peers in the future eh buddy?

I never said there isn't a black market for guns, but there isn't one for ppl from the OUTSIDE. The black markets here are controlled by the military and if you read my posts carefully, you'd have seen that I am trying to stay inconspicuous, so buying from some rogue military man, and when the shit goes down, gives him the chance to put 2 n 2 together and come looking for me, thanks but no thanks for that idea.

Oh btw, I don't smoke or drink so too bad your 'jenkem' shit didn't fly, however, you seem to know enough about that stuff, happy smoking or shit-sniffing, whatever it is that gets u off.

Also, if you wouldn't mind, please TRY to reply in readable English and not gibberish, I know it's hard with your level of intellect but if it requires for me to call a drug-dealing junkie to understand your insults, it's not really that effective. The joke's on you buddy.

[fcknut]

Repugnance - Thanks for the quick reply dude. Ok, This city's quite small, consists of 3 major roads only. The whole city's about 6 miles in length by 4 miles in width. Am right near the centre point of it, the job will be done in the centre point too.

Even if you were't full of bullcrap, the point above alone renersyou at around 14 (or perhaps, as you say, 25 - but incredibly immature).

Everyone in that town knows you - even the ones who you think don't. Even the girls who you check out while walkin those 3 streets. That trip to the airport/boat/fucking columbian drug sub which you happened to lay hands on will not be a safe and pleasant trip.

And while planning this in your bedroom with your underwear thrown across the room in a liberating manner - it ain't gonna happen. Or at least not how you think it will...

There are some bad people in bangladesh - they will make it difficult for you to walk down the fuckin street 10 mins after you fail to pull this off, never mind hop on a plane...

Look, the guy abused you - thats tough shit to deal with. Do what real people do, and just beat the living shit out of him. Explain why you've done it, and chance are no one would ever know...

Edit: No firearms in someone's house /= no weapons - remember that...

[NeoVerine]

Even if you were't full of bullcrap, the point above alone renersyou at around 14 (or perhaps, as you say, 25 - but incredibly immature).

Everyone in that town knows you - even the ones who you think don't. Even the girls who you check out while walkin those 3 streets. That trip to the airport/boat/fucking columbian drug sub which you happened to lay hands on will not be a safe and pleasant trip.

And while planning this in your bedroom with your underwear thrown across the room in a liberating manner - it ain't gonna happen. Or at least not how you think it will...

There are some bad people in bangladesh - they will make it difficult for you to walk down the fuckin street 10 mins after you fail to pull this off, never mind hop on a plane...

Look, the guy abused you - thats tough shit to deal with. Do what real people do, and just beat the living shit out of him. Explain why you've done it, and chance are no one would ever know...

Edit: No firearms in someone's house /= no weapons - remember that...


Lollllll I get the points you're trying to make, but here's the thing, I AM NOT FROM THIS CITY. I've been here for a couple of months, for "work". I've been keeping as low a profile as possible n those that know me here, know me as a tourist or that I work for an international firm and am here for some climate change studies (depending on what I've told whom). However, the 3 streets, they're not exactly "hight street" streets, they're damn long and one of them leads the main way in/out of the city. The bad guys as you put, are the "political" leaders who're a bunch of fags overall anyway. My main thing is, I'm foreign, so I pull the job, hop on the plane, get the fuck outta here and into one of the many destinations where I don't need a visa to.

Now, most of you people are expecting the cops to do their job. Let me provide you with a little information.

IF you are NOT related or associated with the big wigs in the law enforcement, and ur car gets stolen, you go to the police station, u report it. You sit there, NOTHING gets done. You ask why the fuck they're not doing anything, the official reply is "we don't have the resources", so you give them "petrol" money, THEN they go out and look for your vehicle. But if you're related to big fucks, that's entirely different. And the target is rich, but has no political or military ties, hence it's looking so lucrative.

[NeoVerine]

Also, you say immature, I beg to differ. You'd call me "immature" or worse if I told you that I wanna sell the Eiffel Tower to someone when I don't even own it. However, it's already been done by a conman YEARS ago, and he was successful in selling it too. So you see my friend, imagination has no boundaries, and we just need to find what's feasible physically to merge with that imagination. I've hit a few snags here, yes, but if that is gonna stop me, then I wasn't that determined to begin with. And I sure as hell ain't letting any of it stop me just yet. Peace.

[King Owl]

You're going to jail.

Have fun buddy.

[twister]

Edit: No firearms in someone's house /= no weapons - remember that...

wrong , incase of desperation anything in the house can be used as a weapon so watch out.

i believe anything is possible as long as you think carefully and have the will to do it. I presume neo your character would be using a disguise because once he let them go regardless if he would be out of the country they will give his description and people will remeber him walking in the streets even more because hes a foreigner. and then traced back to the airport then they might have a databse of passport that entered and left the country recently find out what destination hes heading and contact authorities theres.
dont expect his whole plan to work based on the inexperience and old equipment, for a perfect plan to work it has to beat murphy's law. Murphy's law state that anything that can go wrong will! so calculate every single step on what can go wrong as if it did . When hes prepared for the worse hes get the best ;) wish u good luck with your book.

[NeoVerine]

wrong , incase of desperation anything in the house can be used as a weapon so watch out.

i believe anything is possible as long as you think carefully and have the will to do it. I presume neo your character would be using a disguise because once he let them go regardless if he would be out of the country they will give his description and people will remeber him walking in the streets even more because hes a foreigner. and then traced back to the airport then they might have a databse of passport that entered and left the country recently find out what destination hes heading and contact authorities theres.
dont expect his whole plan to work based on the inexperience and old equipment, for a perfect plan to work it has to beat murphy's law. Murphy's law state that anything that can go wrong will! so calculate every single step on what can go wrong as if it did . When hes prepared for the worse hes get the best ;) wish u good luck with your book.



This is EXACTLY the kinda post I needed. Thanks a LOT twister, you put it perfectly without any kind of abuse unlike certain idiots. Also I was not aware of "Murphy's Law" and yeah it makes perfect sense. Ok, now what if I told you that the prick knows me quite well, not too well, knows me well enough to give the UK govt. my details but if I'm not to be found anywhere, THEN? I know it'll mean leaving everyone behind but it's bound to die down over a couple of years or maybe even 5. This post of yours has actually just showed me some things I was not thinking of at all. Yes I do get marked wherever I go here, so I try to head out only in evenings and nights, and my description will surely go a few places... Thanks, ok back to more planning for me.

[TORTILLA]

wrong , incase of desperation anything in the house can be used as a weapon so watch out.


I believe that's what he meant. Its also a valid point. If you didn't have a gun I'd get my knife

[NeoVerine]

You're going to jail.

Have fun buddy.

jail's not an option amigo. Either be successful or off myself, but can't get caught in the hands of the cops here, disgusting bastards. Yes yes, I see, "you're gonna die" line coming my way, right? lol.

[Savino]

Repugnance - Thanks for that dude. I know what you mean about it being a more than one man job. I could draft in two more hands and basically make it a 3 man job n that'd make the whole situation so much more simpler but am slightly concerned about the other 2 'cos they're locals n they lack the understanding of how easily they can get caught afterwards. Chloroform, yes that'd be a great way to go, I'm not worried about getting in and capturing all of them, am more concerned about getting out of the place.

They'll let me in, n then I'd have to just get one of the important people and the others will follow suit (the kids dnt have mobiles AND they're not very bright so not like they can dial a number n let someone hear what's going on). The main problem will be convincing the main guy that either pay up or the entire family is done for, and then getting OUT Of the city. see, the entire city has only 2 exits, and the capital is over 400 kilometres away once I've left them there, it'll give them plenty of time to seek help 'cos in the daytime, people will come to visit the house in the afternoon (they usually do) and find them like that. I thought of catching a flight out, it'll be a really short flight BUT problem is, how do i transfer the money? No way in hell am i gnna shit it through a courier service. So basically,

1. I go by road, take the money with me, chances of getting searched will be dead high once they're free.

2. I catch a flight, get someone else to carry the money for me (i don't like this at all) 'cos that much money might make someone get ideas, or if done thru courier, the risk is far too big.

Anyone who is planning this kind of thing and not researching is a fucking idiot. If this were real you would know chloroform works nothing like it does in the movies. If you moved forward with your little plan, youd sneak up behind someone with a rag, put it over their mouth, then they would fight you for about 30 45 seconds til they throw you off, because like I said, chloroform doesnt work like it does on TV...

Troll...

[NeoVerine]

I believe that's what he meant. Its also a valid point. If you didn't have a gun I'd get my knife



You both have valid points guys, and it surely is something to think over rather than discard it like an idiot. I'll have to bring in 2 more people it seems, for my script of course (!)

[NeoVerine]

Anyone who is planning this kind of thing and not researching is a fucking idiot. If this were real you would know chloroform works nothing like it does in the movies. If you moved forward with your little plan, youd sneak up behind someone with a rag, put it over their mouth, then they would fight you for about 30 45 seconds til they throw you off, because like I said, chloroform doesnt work like it does on TV...

Troll...



You fuck-face, when did I say I was going to use chloroform? Someone kindly suggested it, I agreed it would be a great way to go, I have no intention of using it as it might backfire on me here and also, IF there are partners, I wouldn't trust them with that shit in case they get a bright idea an wanna use it on me. Keep your abusive comments to urself, don't flame ppl just 'cos ur gf prefers shagging the dog more than you. There have been PLENTY of people here who have been kind enough to come up with constructive criticism, if you wanna contribute in a well-mannered fashion, you're most welcome. If not, vamos u son of a bitch. Oh , have a good day (!)

[NeoVerine]

Ok guys it's getting dark, time for me to get off my ass n a little scouting work, I thank you in advance for your kind replies and for any abusive fucks, you can't wind me up buddies but keep trying, makes me feel good that the shit I write, does annoy a few idiots out there.

;-)

[TORTILLA]

Man, I just don't see how you're going to round up a household of 6? people. Without a gun you have no authority. With just yourself you lack manpower. What if someone hears the commotion in this big house, hides and flees / calls cops (You say there is no phone, but this guys sittin on mils and doesn't have a goddamn phone?)

I think you vaguely covered how you're going to go about my question above, but it seems it was a changing decision. What is your plan for stated concern briefly?

edit* oh ok just read latest post so you' decided to bring in 2 guys with you? 5 mil split 3 ways? ehhhh

[twister]

remember to use maps , have full knowledge of every possible route to take , have back ups and backups for backups ;)

[Vox Ducis]

I've noticed several things that disturb me a lot :

1 - OP must prepare his crime in a hurry, but spends all his time here answering all our questions ; and not in a single line like a hurried man would do. He takes the time to write paragraphs. Very suspicious.

2 - If someone poured gasoline on me and didn't have any gun, I'd tell myself : "he's gonna burn me whatever I do because it's the only thing he can do if I refuse to give him what he wants". And that's what a professor thought two years ago in France when a man entered his house and told him, his wife and child to lie on the floor under the threat of a gun. The assailant then poured gas on the family. At this moment, the professor got up and attacked the gunman so ferociously that the latter died of a heart attack after deep pressure was applied on his thorax.
I really don't think OP will succeed. If he doesn't die, it will be a miracle.

3 - I disagree with the estimations of the money weight. Let's take an example (in centimeters and kilograms) :

http://www.emaletas.com/images/product/1/medium/pm_1_1_5308.jpghttp://www.emaletas.com/product/5308/0/0/1/2/spinner-69-cm-samsonite-velocita.htm

This luggage dimensions are : 49 x 69 x 30
100-dollar bill dimensions are : 6.6294 x 15.5956 x 0.010922 Weight = 0.983 g

10,000-dollar bundle = 100 bills = thickness of 1.0922 cm and weight of 98.3 g

How many bundles could we put in that luggage ?

15.5956 x 3 = less than 47 cm (width of luggage is 49)
6.6294 x 10 = 66.294 cm (length of luggage is 69)
1.0922 x 27 = less than 29.5 cm (thickness of luggage is 30)

Result : 3 x 10 x 27 = 840 bundles of 10,000 dollars

That luggage can contain 8,400,000 dollars. BUT all the money weighs 82.5 kg !!! Considering OP wants 5 millions, he would have 49.1 kg of money to carry with him.

[Captain Politik]

For a $5million dollar reward you and your crew better stop being cheapass's and invest in guns + getaway vehicles + hideouts + way to transfer and store the cash

[senshido]

For a $5million dollar reward you and your crew better stop being cheapass's and invest in guns + getaway vehicles + hideouts + way to transfer and store the cash
exactly, if he cant get them in his country he could get from outside some how. he is an idiot to have negatively responded to my comment and he hopes he fails miserably

[NeoVerine]

Man, I just don't see how you're going to round up a household of 6? people. Without a gun you have no authority. With just yourself you lack manpower. What if someone hears the commotion in this big house, hides and flees / calls cops (You say there is no phone, but this guys sittin on mils and doesn't have a goddamn phone?)

I think you vaguely covered how you're going to go about my question above, but it seems it was a changing decision. What is your plan for stated concern briefly?

edit* oh ok just read latest post so you' decided to bring in 2 guys with you? 5 mil split 3 ways? ehhhh


Tortilla - It's 8 people but the people here are very diff. 5 are women and 3 of those 5 r unlikely to do ANYTHING. the young ones might try something but i highly doubt that.

My main concern is the getaway, that's where I'm stuck 'cos I'm not yet too sure about the exit routes.

[NeoVerine]

remember to use maps , have full knowledge of every possible route to take , have back ups and backups for backups ;)

twister - Thanks for that. Even this shithole city doesn't have an updated road map. The latest edition is a 2006 print and so my best hope so far has been google maps n then going there in person to check it out.

If anyone doubts me, I give you the challenge of finding anything after 2006 for the city of "Khulna" in Bangladesh.

[NeoVerine]

I've noticed several things that disturb me a lot :

1 - OP must prepare his crime in a hurry, but spends all his time here answering all our questions ; and not in a single line like a hurried man would do. He takes the time to write paragraphs. Very suspicious.

2 - If someone poured gasoline on me and didn't have any gun, I'd tell myself : "he's gonna burn me whatever I do because it's the only thing he can do if I refuse to give him what he wants". And that's what a professor thought two years ago in France when a man entered his house and told him, his wife and child to lie on the floor under the threat of a gun. The assailant then poured gas on the family. At this moment, the professor got up and attacked the gunman so ferociously that the latter died of a heart attack after deep pressure was applied on his thorax.
I really don't think OP will succeed. If he doesn't die, it will be a miracle.

3 - I disagree with the estimations of the money weight. Let's take an example (in centimeters and kilograms) :

http://www.emaletas.com/images/product/1/medium/pm_1_1_5308.jpghttp://www.emaletas.com/product/5308/0/0/1/2/spinner-69-cm-samsonite-velocita.htm

This luggage dimensions are : 49 x 69 x 30
100-dollar bill dimensions are : 6.6294 x 15.5956 x 0.010922 Weight = 0.983 g

10,000-dollar bundle = 100 bills = thickness of 1.0922 cm and weight of 98.3 g

How many bundles could we put in that luggage ?

15.5956 x 3 = less than 47 cm (width of luggage is 49)
6.6294 x 10 = 66.294 cm (length of luggage is 69)
1.0922 x 27 = less than 29.5 cm (thickness of luggage is 30)

Result : 3 x 10 x 27 = 840 bundles of 10,000 dollars

That luggage can contain 8,400,000 dollars. BUT all the money weighs 82.5 kg !!! Considering OP wants 5 millions, he would have 49.1 kg of money to carry with him.



Vox Ducis - First of all, thanks for your informative input and also working out the money weight, it has been very helpful. Ok as for sitting here answering your questions, well, I was and am still in a rush 'cos I wanna get out of this place but with a payday. When I originally posted, I had a 30 hour window but I realised from the insightful comments which people made that if I rush it, I'm heading towards jail for sure, and so I did say in one of the posts that maybe I should take the advice and try n nab a gun from the cops. And me answer questions in detail is suspicious? I've not done anything like this and I'm TRYING to be as thorough as I can in my answers so people understand what I'm trying to say, rather than blurt out a vague line and 10 ppl thinking 10 things.

You don't think I'll succeed, fair enough. I've been thinking that too that IF I try this on my own, it's gonna be too difficult, hence my posts that I'm gonna most probably bring in 2 hands to help me out.

Thanks for your post and the equation once again. Not all criminals need to be impolite, rude and cursing savages (just take a look at all the politicians). I'm only trying to be as informative as possible, and no, am no pig in disguise, i hate those bastards more than most people anyway.

[NeoVerine]

For a $5million dollar reward you and your crew better stop being cheapass's and invest in guns + getaway vehicles + hideouts + way to transfer and store the cash

Did you even READ all the posts properly? I bet not. My problem is not BUYING the stuff, it's FINDING the suppliers 'cos here most of the high end shit are connected with the military and I'm trying to source it from somewhere where the military won't sell some high quality products and then be expecting something to happen so they can pounce on. Also, what tends to happen here a lot is, someone sells you something, then goes n rats u out to the cops once the transaction's been made. As a foreigner here, I'm marked easily as it is, it won't take them too long to find me in this little city. Vehicle is sorted, hideout is sorted but same problem, GETTING TO THE HIDEOUT FROM THE CITY.

Unless you guys think it might be best to hide IN the city for a while? What'd you all say to that?

[NeoVerine]

exactly, if he cant get them in his country he could get from outside some how. he is an idiot to have negatively responded to my comment and he hopes he fails miserably


Right, so you can be abusive towards someone you don't even know n if that person doesn't like it, it's their fault and then you wish them ill. Are you some relation to Bush Jnr. by any chance? 'Cos you sure do share certain traits mate. If you have a SERIOUS input, even if its negative, fine by me, that's how I'm trying to foolproof my plan. WITH THE HELP OF YOU ALL, but if ur gonna be just an abusive idiot, butt out.

[NeoVerine]

Check his first posts from almost a year ago. I read through em, his story is consistent. He'd have to be a pretty epic troll to hold the same line for a year.

Tortilla - I had no idea you could see all the posts made by a person, lol. Glad you read through them so maybe it clears it up that I need some real help. So far all I've got here is DIY napalm n yeah it's not exactly what I wanted to have but it's better than nothing.


Also, do any of you have any ideas as to how to take out power lines? I don't mean from one house, but from an entire street. I read in another thread that a chain should work fine if it's to short-circuit the wires, anyone have any real experience of this?

[kingOfCrash]

kingOfCrash - Am 25, n the risks aren't "lower" in terms of the sentencing BUT the chances of getting caught are vastly reduced due to several reasons. Cops here are given guns that aren't sometimes FUNCTIONING. They're given 2 bullets a month and IF they shoot one, they have to collect the cartridge and keeping this in mind, they're VERY unwilling to shoot as this money comes out of their pay. Also, I've seen enough cops standing, using their guns as LEANING STICKS with their hand on the barrel, these ppl are horribly trained.

Midge - I don't wanna beat someone for no reason but if it has to be done, I gotta do it I guess. I get your point about not underestimating anyone, and I always TRY to keep this in my mind.

Thanks for the considerate inputs guys.

You don't think they'll be more likely to shoot for a wealthy man?

25- ah, old enough to make such decisions, I suppose. You didn't know of Murphy's law? My uncle told me a time about once when he was locked up, there was a younger dude separated from the rest. On top of his castle of beds, my uncle rained down coins and yelled "It's Mardi Gras!" The kid asked, "What's Mardi Gras?"

Don't deprive yourself of a life, man.

[NeoVerine]

You don't think they'll be more likely to shoot for a wealthy man?

25- ah, old enough to make such decisions, I suppose. You didn't know of Murphy's law? My uncle told me a time about once when he was locked up, there was a younger dude separated from the rest. On top of his castle of beds, my uncle rained down coins and yelled "It's Mardi Gras!" The kid asked, "What's Mardi Gras?"

Don't deprive yourself of a life, man.


He's wealthy, but he doesn't have any big links, a totally reclusive individual. And nah dude I didn't know of Murphy's Law. Thanks for the advice amigo, very kind of you.

[sexually vulnerable CPR dummy]

jail's not an option amigo. Either be successful or off myself
And how are you gonna do that? Set yourself on fire? LOL

But seriously how sure are you this guy has no guns in his house? Have you searched under his bed or in his closet? Also, the guy is rich, do you really think he needs any kind of ties in order to get help? If he's got the cash, people will help him.

Good luck and if this works, hakuna matata!

[NeoVerine]

And how are you gonna do that? Set yourself on fire? LOL

But seriously how sure are you this guy has no guns in his house? Have you searched under his bed or in his closet? Also, the guy is rich, do you really think he needs any kind of ties in order to get help? If he's got the cash, people will help him.

Good luck and if this works, hakuna matata!

lollll well, if the cops r after me, i won't roll over n die, but make a break for it. IF they're about to catch me, put up a fight till the end I guess.

Ok now seriously, I'm sure he hasn't got a gun 'cos I spoke with his son quite a lot. also, I've spoken to some ppl who do have guns and one told me he was returning them 'cos the govt make it extremely annoying to keep a gun in this country. BIG shotguns n rifles are ok but small arms, not a chance.

Thanks for wishing me luck, appreciate it.

[is all mememememe with me]

Well, you know him better than I do I guess. But I still think you should keep it to kidnapping one person. Then you only have to worry about being found, and keeping control of one person. Instead of 8. The whole situation just seems extremely high risk, with a very high chance that you will fuck it up.

It could probably work if you actually get them all together, but the problem is actually doing it. Do you really think you can simply walk into a millionaires house and capture himself along with 7 of his family members without being seen or heard? They don't even have this shit in movies.

this for starters

Second of all, yes cops here DO have guns and most of these guns, or "dinosaurs" as u so aptly put it, are so old that they'd be better off using these 'guns' as sticks rather than shooting with'em. Bangladesh in some ways are VERY different from India, which you obviously don't seem to know about anyway. The elite law enforcement agency here, aka the "RAB", have been trained by the NY SWAT team and they now hold regular drills with help from the US military which is making a couple of bases in the south of the country, so I have no intention of having any kinda run in with the RAB as it'll be blatantly stupid.

You say I could get a shotgun, yes I can, n what the fuck is that gonna do? in the black market a SINGLE 9mm bullet here costs 500 taka, which is about £4.20 and even more in US$, and then the hardest part is GETTING RELIABLE SUPPLIES. Guns made IN this country are sold dirt cheap but they have a nice habit of blowing up on the shooter himself, so that's a total no no.

You made a good point asking WHY won't his assistant warn anyone, well, he won't 'cos the owner (or the main man, aka his employer) will tell him to keep his gob shut, and you seem to know about India, so you know how piss-poorly people in these regions are paid, and the assistant is more than thankful for the measly £45.00 he gets a month and obeys his employer like he's some sorta God himself. THAT is why, he won't wanna jeopardise the lives of the entire family of his boss, and hence, keep his mouth shut.

The bottom line is, they family will not be allowed to contact ANY OUTSIDERS other than the assistant who'll be required to bring the money (WITHOUT dye packs, which'll be checked JUST in case). Also, I've not ruled out of the idea of someone getting a clever idea so when leaving, the main man will be taken as hostage for a while, only when everything is safe, he'll be kicked out onto the streets or somewhere, in a blindfold most likely (or maybe a bag over his head).

OP, best advice i could give you here is don't do it. certainly not yet. you obviously think this is going to be a hell of a lot easier than it actually will be. there are so many holes in your plan it could be used as a sieve. and from what you've posted so far it seems like you think you're going to go from not knowing enough about this sort of thing to actually doing it for real within a few days. seriously, a job like this takes a lot of planning, only a total retard would even attempt such a dumb move without knowing exactly what they were getting into and had researched and planned every likely scenario.

i mean do you seriously think you're just going to march into this place and 9 people are all going to just comply just like that, no problems?


here's a few things you don't seem to have considered too well(don't take this the wrong way, i'm just trying to point you out some things)

1. people tend not to think so reationally when they are threatened with potentially life threatening situations and especially when they are about to be robbed of everything. i really wouldn't underestimate what any of these people will do in such a situation as you're proposing. even the 50 yr old woman will be capable of doing more than you seem to think. and i wouldn't underestimate how paki's react when you try to steal from them. i've shoplifted from many shops and the paki shop owners really do lose it big time when it comes to people stealing from them. i've known many that flip right out even when you just try to steal from a shop they only work for. they absolutely hate thieves with a passion and tend not to think too much before they react, and i really am not kidding when i say they absolutely fucking hate being stolen from. if i was the kind of guy to stab shop staff who try to stop me leaving a store then i would have left many dead paki's behind who didn't think and just instinctively lost it and tried to grab me. i've had them run after my car and throw bottles, stones, bricks and even used metal bars to bash my car windows in trying to stop me stealing as little as 10/20 quid in the past. and i mean often to the point of being seriously dangerous to the point they could have easily caused me to run someone over or crash into another car. i've even had to slowly drive into some who have crazily stood in front of my car to try and stop me getting away, other people wouldn't think twice about running them down, yet they don't even think about it. many of them could easily have crossed the line and got arrested themselves for the things they have crazily done without thinking. i guess the law in their countries are different and they are used to being able to do mental idiotic and dangerous shit to stop thieves. so it's definitely something you should keep in mind.

2. and you think you're gonna pull this shit off without a gun? no fucking way will you. my advice would be to go across the border into india or pakistan and get one if you can't get one there. and if it was me, i would make up some very convincing looking fake bombs(if you cannot get real explosives that is(but then don't go playing with explosives if you don't know what you're doing)). make up a suicide bomber style bomb vest, this will help greatly in getting the family under control quickly. also take some fake collar bombs(to put on them) that you can tell them are triggered by remote and cell phone and will also explode if they are tampered with in any way. also use a few fake bombs that have infra red movement detector sensor pads on them. these will be awesome to make them stay in a certain room or even in a closet. you can tell them that you are leaving the bomb outside the door or windows so if they open or step outside the doors they will be blown to pieces. this will certainly be more effective than petrol which will evaporate quickly so you'd need to keep covering them all the time. it also gives off the impression that you are very organized and a nasty sadistic criminal and should make them think twice before attempting to over-power you or escape.

3.for start you said in your second paragraph that there is no way the employee will call cops, then in your third paragraph you say how you haven't ruled out someone getting clever ideas. you need to assume that any one of them will if they get the opportunity. and they will be looking for any opportunity at all times

4. it sounds like you are planning on holding the family in their own house and then have the employee collect the money and bring it to the house, like alone.

how piss-poorly people in these regions are paid, and [B]the assistant is more than thankful for the measly £45.00 he gets a month and obeys his employer like he's some sorta God himself. THAT is why, he won't wanna jeopardise the lives of the entire family of his boss, and hence, keep his mouth shut.

i really wouldn't just assume that the assistant will think this way too. he may well figure that if this goes through and he doesn't call the cops that his employer will be furious that he didn't and then lost his entire fortune. even if he isn't, he has just handed over a large chunk of his wealth. so the employer is quit likely to no longer be able to afford an assistant, so he'll be out of a job anyway. getting the cops to stop you may be the only way he see's of keeping his job and respect of his employer.

5. holding the family hostage in their own house is such a retarded idea. if cops get involved you will soon be trapped in and it's unlikely they will allow you to get out, even if you kill people. especially if you kill people. it would be much much smarter to have an enclosed panel type truck in which you can put the family into the back of so you can take them to a safer unknown location. when moving them from the house to the truck make sure they are all securely tied to each other making it impossible for 1 or more of them to make a break for it between the house and the truck.

6. so you think this guys assistant is just going to walk into the local bank and say "hi, i've been sent by my employer to withdraw in excess of 10 million dollars in cash on his behalf", and that they are going to just smile and say, of course sir, no problem at all. have you even thought this through at all? even if you sent the employer himself and he withdrew all that it would attract attention because it would be such and unusual request. it is probably unlikely that a bank in a third world piss-poor country like that would even have anywhere near that much cash in the first place.
(i) to draw such an amount would need probably at least 3 days notice to be given to the bank
(ii)the bank would probably insist on having a security van deliver the amount to where ever it was the guy was going to need such a huge amount of cash. they would certainly ask a lot of questions and would also consider an extortion situation was possible. even if the guy denied it.
(iii) see rich people like this guy get a whole different level of service from banks. when they have that amount of money deposited with them they go that extra mile for the customer. i would expect some kind of pre arranged distress code to be arranged between the bank and the customer for this exact kind of situation. probably in the form of an innocent sounding question that will be put to the customer that he would have to answer with an exact phrase. it could be anything, for example:
teller: "and you want to withdraw all that today sir, right now?"
customer: "yes i do, thank you"
if his answer is not those exact words then the bank will likely carry on, but probably try to stall the transaction, keeping the customer there with whoever they were with until the cops can arrive and check out everything is really ok. or they may just aler them after and the cops will go by the guys home and businesses to check he really is ok.

7. kidnapping and extortion in these areas is rife, and most victims are killed by the kidnappers anyway to prevent them being able to finger the perpetrator. its likely the family and the assistant will be thinking about this and so will figure calling for help from the cops is there best bet to get out of this alive. so i really wouldn't trust on the assistant to keep quiet.

8. you definitely without doubt need a gun dude, if you're going to try and keep tight control of 8 people. you need to command compliance from them all very quickly and you don't want the hassle of having to fight with or fuck about too much with 1 or more of them at one time. you have to remember that if you do find yourself having to turn your concentration on a couple of the guys then it would be an excellent opportunity for one or more of the others to escape and raise the alarm while you're dealing with the others. even if its only a few seconds. and what will you do if the cops do turn up? you need to remember that even old weapons still fire bullets at a velocity that can kill you dead instantly, and they will turn up in force, many of them and you are on your own. do you really think that will be a situation you'd be able to deal with easily? because i can promise you it wouldn't.

good luck if you do go for it but i promise you it would be fucking retarded if you went jumping into it soon with the lack of thought and insight you obviously have for this kind of thing. i have never even done a job like this but even i have put a lot more thought into it than you have. the one thing i do know tho is that it really isn't as easy as you think it is.

[NeoVerine]

this for starters



OP, best advice i could give you here is don't do it. certainly not yet. you obviously think this is going to be a hell of a lot easier than it actually will be. there are so many holes in your plan it could be used as a sieve. and from what you've posted so far it seems like you think you're going to go from not knowing enough about this sort of thing to actually doing it for real within a few days. seriously, a job like this takes a lot of planning, only a total retard would even attempt such a dumb move without knowing exactly what they were getting into and had researched and planned every likely scenario.

i mean do you seriously think you're just going to march into this place and 9 people are all going to just comply just like that, no problems?


here's a few things you don't seem to have considered too well(don't take this the wrong way, i'm just trying to point you out some things)

1. people tend not to think so reationally when they are threatened with potentially life threatening situations and especially when they are about to be robbed of everything. i really wouldn't underestimate what any of these people will do in such a situation as you're proposing. even the 50 yr old woman will be capable of doing more than you seem to think. and i wouldn't underestimate how paki's react when you try to steal from them. i've shoplifted from many shops and the paki shop owners really do lose it big time when it comes to people stealing from them. i've known many that flip right out even when you just try to steal from a shop they only work for. they absolutely hate thieves with a passion and tend not to think too much before they react, and i really am not kidding when i say they absolutely fucking hate being stolen from. if i was the kind of guy to stab shop staff who try to stop me leaving a store then i would have left many dead paki's behind who didn't think and just instinctively lost it and tried to grab me. i've had them run after my car and throw bottles, stones, bricks and even used metal bars to bash my car windows in trying to stop me stealing as little as 10/20 quid in the past. and i mean often to the point of being seriously dangerous to the point they could have easily caused me to run someone over or crash into another car. i've even had to slowly drive into some who have crazily stood in front of my car to try and stop me getting away, other people wouldn't think twice about running them down, yet they don't even think about it. many of them could easily have crossed the line and got arrested themselves for the things they have crazily done without thinking. i guess the law in their countries are different and they are used to being able to do mental idiotic and dangerous shit to stop thieves. so it's definitely something you should keep in mind.

2. and you think you're gonna pull this shit off without a gun? no fucking way will you. my advice would be to go across the border into india or pakistan and get one if you can't get one there. and if it was me, i would make up some very convincing looking fake bombs(if you cannot get real explosives that is(but then don't go playing with explosives if you don't know what you're doing)). make up a suicide bomber style bomb vest, this will help greatly in getting the family under control quickly. also take some fake collar bombs(to put on them) that you can tell them are triggered by remote and cell phone and will also explode if they are tampered with in any way. also use a few fake bombs that have infra red movement detector sensor pads on them. these will be awesome to make them stay in a certain room or even in a closet. you can tell them that you are leaving the bomb outside the door or windows so if they open or step outside the doors they will be blown to pieces. this will certainly be more effective than petrol which will evaporate quickly so you'd need to keep covering them all the time. it also gives off the impression that you are very organized and a nasty sadistic criminal and should make them think twice before attempting to over-power you or escape.

3.for start you said in your second paragraph that there is no way the employee will call cops, then in your third paragraph you say how you haven't ruled out someone getting clever ideas. you need to assume that any one of them will if they get the opportunity. and they will be looking for any opportunity at all times

4. it sounds like you are planning on holding the family in their own house and then have the employee collect the money and bring it to the house, like alone.



i really wouldn't just assume that the assistant will think this way too. he may well figure that if this goes through and he doesn't call the cops that his employer will be furious that he didn't and then lost his entire fortune. even if he isn't, he has just handed over a large chunk of his wealth. so the employer is quit likely to no longer be able to afford an assistant, so he'll be out of a job anyway. getting the cops to stop you may be the only way he see's of keeping his job and respect of his employer.

5. holding the family hostage in their own house is such a retarded idea. if cops get involved you will soon be trapped in and it's unlikely they will allow you to get out, even if you kill people. especially if you kill people. it would be much much smarter to have an enclosed panel type truck in which you can put the family into the back of so you can take them to a safer unknown location. when moving them from the house to the truck make sure they are all securely tied to each other making it impossible for 1 or more of them to make a break for it between the house and the truck.

6. so you think this guys assistant is just going to walk into the local bank and say "hi, i've been sent by my employer to withdraw in excess of 10 million dollars in cash on his behalf", and that they are going to just smile and say, of course sir, no problem at all. have you even thought this through at all? even if you sent the employer himself and he withdrew all that it would attract attention because it would be such and unusual request. it is probably unlikely that a bank in a third world piss-poor country like that would even have anywhere near that much cash in the first place.
(i) to draw such an amount would need probably at least 3 days notice to be given to the bank
(ii)the bank would probably insist on having a security van deliver the amount to where ever it was the guy was going to need such a huge amount of cash. they would certainly ask a lot of questions and would also consider an extortion situation was possible. even if the guy denied it.
(iii) see rich people like this guy get a whole different level of service from banks. when they have that amount of money deposited with them they go that extra mile for the customer. i would expect some kind of pre arranged distress code to be arranged between the bank and the customer for this exact kind of situation. probably in the form of an innocent sounding question that will be put to the customer that he would have to answer with an exact phrase. it could be anything, for example:
teller: "and you want to withdraw all that today sir, right now?"
customer: "yes i do, thank you"
if his answer is not those exact words then the bank will likely carry on, but probably try to stall the transaction, keeping the customer there with whoever they were with until the cops can arrive and check out everything is really ok. or they may just aler them after and the cops will go by the guys home and businesses to check he really is ok.

7. kidnapping and extortion in these areas is rife, and most victims are killed by the kidnappers anyway to prevent them being able to finger the perpetrator. its likely the family and the assistant will be thinking about this and so will figure calling for help from the cops is there best bet to get out of this alive. so i really wouldn't trust on the assistant to keep quiet.

8. you definitely without doubt need a gun dude, if you're going to try and keep tight control of 8 people. you need to command compliance from them all very quickly and you don't want the hassle of having to fight with or fuck about too much with 1 or more of them at one time. you have to remember that if you do find yourself having to turn your concentration on a couple of the guys then it would be an excellent opportunity for one or more of the others to escape and raise the alarm while you're dealing with the others. even if its only a few seconds. and what will you do if the cops do turn up? you need to remember that even old weapons still fire bullets at a velocity that can kill you dead instantly, and they will turn up in force, many of them and you are on your own. do you really think that will be a situation you'd be able to deal with easily? because i can promise you it wouldn't.

good luck if you do go for it but i promise you it would be fucking retarded if you went jumping into it soon with the lack of thought and insight you obviously have for this kind of thing. i have never even done a job like this but even i have put a lot more thought into it than you have. the one thing i do know tho is that it really isn't as easy as you think it is.



mememememe with me - First of all, THANK YOU for taking the time out and going through so many points and also giving your own insight, HUGELY appreciated. Seeing how everyone's saying it's a mad idea, and a few have so kindly pointed out the massive mistakes, yes, it is MUCH clearer now. I had a deadline of pulling this job by tomorrow night (basically 1 of the family is leaving, and after this, the chances of getting any pay will be decreased by a lot 'cos its the son who is leaving :@! ) but looks like if I rush into it now, I'll have my ass handed to me and most likely earn myself a nice coffin in this shithole, if even that.

I hadn't thought about the assistant's angle that he'll be out of a job if he complies with my demands, so that's a total bummer, and thanks a lot for pointing that out.

I think you gave a super idea with the enclosed panel truck as it'll make things so much easier for transporting people but I originally had NO intention of moving a single person from the premises, let alone eight, that'll be a total nightmare here even at night time.

All in all, thanks a LOT for the inputs. I'm gonna head off for a little while and come back again when I'll read thru ur points in detail and try and see how I can improve on the massive holes in my planning. Thanks once again.

[ratfrink]

Okay guise, I've gotta come clean - NeoVerine is my troll account. I made the whole thing up. No rich man, no family, I've never been anywhere near Bangladesh.

[NeoVerine]

Okay guise, I've gotta come clean - NeoVerine is my troll account. I made the whole thing up. No rich man, no family, I've never been anywhere near Bangladesh.

ratfrink - LOL you're funny mate, u wish!

[sexually vulnerable CPR dummy]

Your doing this tommorow night!?

[ratfrink]

Nah just joshing with y'all.

But really, this is a big windup. That's my troll account. Y'all niggers postin' in a troll thread.

[NeoVerine]

Your doing this tommorow night!?


sexually vulnerable CPR dummy - Tomorrow night was the deadline, but seeing how my plan's really flawed, I don't think I'm gonna go ahead and risk my ass being used as target practice by the local law enforcements.

[ratfrink]

Told you he was trolling...

[NeoVerine]

Told you he was trolling...

Oh no, you made me! :-o ah screw u mate, lol

i need to get my hands on some bloody firepower, "by any means necessary" :@

[is all mememememe with me]

As a foreigner here, I'm marked easily as it is, it won't take them too long to find me in this little city. Vehicle is sorted, hideout is sorted but same problem, GETTING TO THE HIDEOUT FROM THE CITY.

Unless you guys think it might be best to hide IN the city for a while? What'd you all say to that?

traveling too far with that amount of cash hours after doing that kind of a job would be really stupid. would it be totally impossible to return to the country some time later when it had all died down a bit? cause really your best bet would be to keep hold of say 50 grand and bury the rest say 50 miles or so from the job. find some remote countryside where no one is likely to go to much. split it up into 5 or 10 lumps and bury them all separately. don't be lazy and only bury them a foot or two deep. obviously make sure you can find them again. you want to go a good 5 or 6 foot deep. put the lumps of cash into solid plastic trunks and use lots of duct tape to make sure they are well sealed. the scent of humans will be sensed if you don't and animals will dig them up if you don't go at least 5 foot. also be sure to pummel down the earth after you've filled it back in so that its not noticed by anyone as a recent dig. cover the top with dry dusty earth and leaves to hide the freshly dug earth as best you can. try and dig right deep in thick bushes or forest where few people are likely to walk over.

live on the 50 grand for the next year, if you pick the right country then you'll still be living like a king. after a year or so find a private charter plane, a pilot that won't ask too many questions if you pay him well, and arrange for him to pick you up. maybe spend some time going to bars that are frequented by private pilots and get a bit of a relationship going so you can size up whether they can be relied on to not screw you over. i'd say if poss, just pick up a few at a time in case you do get stiffed, then you won't lose everything. obviously the closer you can get to the border when you bury it the better.

If it was in anywhere in Europe or North America or even Australia and New Zealand, I'd not be discussing this at all. But here, even if they find out, the amount of time it'll take them to put it all together, translate it all, get through all their red-tape bullshit, i'll be sitting somewhere safe in another hemisphere.

you do realize that the fbi and probably euro/british police keep a close eye on this site don't you? especially BI. you even posted the name of the town earlier so it is very probable that one of those agencies is likely to pass the info on to the authorities in bangladesh. i just hope if you are really going to go through with this then you only used bangladesh as a hypothetical location just for the sake of the thread.

[NeoVerine]

traveling too far with that amount of cash hours after doing that kind of a job would be really stupid. would it be totally impossible to return to the country some time later when it had all died down a bit? cause really your best bet would be to keep hold of say 50 grand and bury the rest say 50 miles or so from the job. find some remote countryside where no one is likely to go to much. split it up into 5 or 10 lumps and bury them all separately. don't be lazy and only bury them a foot or two deep. obviously make sure you can find them again. you want to go a good 5 or 6 foot deep. put the lumps of cash into solid plastic trunks and use lots of duct tape to make sure they are well sealed. the scent of humans will be sensed if you don't and animals will dig them up if you don't go at least 5 foot. also be sure to pummel down the earth after you've filled it back in so that its not noticed by anyone as a recent dig. cover the top with dry dusty earth and leaves to hide the freshly dug earth as best you can. try and dig right deep in thick bushes or forest where few people are likely to walk over.

live on the 50 grand for the next year, if you pick the right country then you'll still be living like a king. after a year or so find a private charter plane, a pilot that won't ask too many questions if you pay him well, and arrange for him to pick you up. maybe spend some time going to bars that are frequented by private pilots and get a bit of a relationship going so you can size up whether they can be relied on to not screw you over. i'd say if poss, just pick up a few at a time in case you do get stiffed, then you won't lose everything. obviously the closer you can get to the border when you bury it the better.



you do realize that the fbi and probably euro/british police keep a close eye on this site don't you? especially BI. you even posted the name of the town earlier so it is very probable that one of those agencies is likely to pass the info on to the authorities in bangladesh. i just hope if you are really going to go through with this then you only used bangladesh as a hypothetical location just for the sake of the thread.

You my friend, have some super ideas. Yes these kinda thinkings might be natural for someone who's done similar things or is in the know but for a total noob in these matters like me, it's like I'm at the best school of my life. Really like the ideas of breaking it up n stashing the stuff. Hypothetically speaking, IF the job was done in this country, I'd not bother with the digging 'cos this craphole floods like mad EVERY SINGLE YEAR, and that is twice too, not just once.

As for the info being passed on to the law agency, I don't think the US or EU guys will bother too much, considering they have a good idea that eventually I'll invest all the cash in their countries, improving the economy! lol. As for the local law enforcement, these crooks are just disgusting like anything. Just last week they recovered a 6+ months deadbody from a detective's water tank, lol. Yes I do get your concern and well, it is hypothetical (maybe it's too late to write it as I have written it before but there are SO many posts, can't blame ppl for just glancing over them).

Dude, seriously, I hope you continue on the path ur on 'cos with your rational thinking, you probably have done so much and can do so much more.

[Proots]

2 - If someone poured gasoline on me and didn't have any gun, I'd tell myself : "he's gonna burn me whatever I do because it's the only thing he can do if I refuse to give him what he wants". And that's what a professor thought two years ago in France when a man entered his house and told him, his wife and child to lie on the floor under the threat of a gun. The assailant then poured gas on the family. At this moment, the professor got up and attacked the gunman so ferociously that the latter died of a heart attack after deep pressure was applied on his thorax.
I really don't think OP will succeed. If he doesn't die, it will be a miracle.


This is the point I have been stressing since the very first page. He needs to be on his guard, big time. He needs to be fully prepared to deal with individuals who are under the impression that no matter what they do, they are going to die. This can make people, even mild people, extremely dangerous.

There is no telling what someone is capable of, if they are backed into a corner and believe their life to be forfeit.

[NeoVerine]

This is the point I have been stressing since the very first page. He needs to be on his guard, big time. He needs to be fully prepared to deal with individuals who are under the impression that no matter what they do, they are going to die. This can make people, even mild people, extremely dangerous.

There is no telling what someone is capable of, if they are backed into a corner and believe their life to be forfeit.


Midge - Thanks for the message, yes I totally get your point now. I'd not thought about the desperation factor kicking in until you guys brought it up, a massive hole there. There certainly needs to be more crew than just one man slinging it all the way, it'll be total suicide, a rather stupid one at that it seems. Once again, highly appreciate the great inputs.


To all the readers - THANKS A LOT for all your super ideas and in-depth analysis of everything which has probably saved me this time from doing something pretty stupid n getting effed up for good, a MASSIVE THANK YOU to you all for this. I only wish I'd bothered discussing things with you all before as there're just so many possibilities here due to lack of tech/education/understanding.


Also, IF I wanted to ask you guys for more info on this and somewhat related topics, would you prefer I do it here or start a new thread? similar situation, but diff. location and well, this time I intend to put the situation to you guys and see how each one of you would do it, and then take it further from there. So here, or another thread? Please comment. Thanks.

[Proots]

Midge - Thanks for the message, yes I totally get your point now. I'd not thought about the desperation factor kicking in until you guys brought it up, a massive hole there. There certainly needs to be more crew than just one man slinging it all the way, it'll be total suicide, a rather stupid one at that it seems. Once again, highly appreciate the great inputs.


To all the readers - THANKS A LOT for all your super ideas and in-depth analysis of everything which has probably saved me this time from doing something pretty stupid n getting effed up for good, a MASSIVE THANK YOU to you all for this. I only wish I'd bothered discussing things with you all before as there're just so many possibilities here due to lack of tech/education/understanding.


Also, IF I wanted to ask you guys for more info on this and somewhat related topics, would you prefer I do it here or start a new thread? similar situation, but diff. location and well, this time I intend to put the situation to you guys and see how each one of you would do it, and then take it further from there. So here, or another thread? Please comment. Thanks.

I'd start a new thread, if I were you. That way - the conversations can be more focused and specific.

Hope everything works out for you. Don't fuck it up!

[idgaf]

This has got to be the most fucking retarded OP i have ever seen.
If you don't have a BRAIN to figure this shit out, you're going to fuck it all up, and you'll end up dead. If you have to start a thread asking how to successfully detain someone, you don't have ANY common sense WHATSOEVER, or will power to actually pull through with this plan. If you don't have a GUN, *NO* person would be afraid of you. Especially since you're a moron, who will forget your plans right when you enter the house.
You obviously haven't thought this through well.

[TORTILLA]

This has got to be the most fucking retarded OP i have ever seen.
If you don't have a BRAIN to figure this shit out, you're going to fuck it all up, and you'll end up dead. If you have to start a thread asking how to successfully detain someone, you don't have ANY common sense WHATSOEVER, or will power to actually pull through with this plan. If you don't have a GUN, *NO* person would be afraid of you. Especially since you're a moron, who will forget your plans right when you enter the house.
You obviously haven't thought this through well.
we get it You're like the 6th person to say this shit already and hes had the same response to every fucking one. participate in the dialogue or move on...

Im just helping out for harm reduction purposes

[NeoVerine]

I'd start a new thread, if I were you. That way - the conversations can be more focused and specific.

Hope everything works out for you. Don't fuck it up!



Midge - Thanks, I'll create a new thread once I have planned it out in more detail and with Murphy's Law in mind, which makes perfect sense when you think about it. I was rushing it way too much so thanks for the positive inputs.

[NeoVerine]

This has got to be the most fucking retarded OP i have ever seen.
If you don't have a BRAIN to figure this shit out, you're going to fuck it all up, and you'll end up dead. If you have to start a thread asking how to successfully detain someone, you don't have ANY common sense WHATSOEVER, or will power to actually pull through with this plan. If you don't have a GUN, *NO* person would be afraid of you. Especially since you're a moron, who will forget your plans right when you enter the house.
You obviously haven't thought this through well.


idgaf - Thanks buddy, so I guess I should've planned it all out like Col. Hannibal Smith and then come on here to blag and show off as to how perfect my plan is? Well pardon me! I came here to DISCUSS my idea and get USEFUL inputs from fellow members who have a far better understanding of these things in comparison to me. I was SEEKING HELP, you know, something you do when you're either stuck or perhaps are not certain about something? Am sure all your plans are super cool, highly efficient and totally productive and u'd put even Hannibal Smith to shame with your planning, so kudos to you and if you ain't got anything viable to share in the means of advice or constructive criticism, get the fuck off this thread and go back to shagging your dog, or letting it shag you, comprende? have a nice day ;-)

[senshido]

Better yet dont post it at all, if you are serious in doing this crime

[NeoVerine]

we get it You're like the 6th person to say this shit already and hes had the same response to every fucking one. participate in the dialogue or move on...

Im just helping out for harm reduction purposes



Tortilla - Thanks for the support amigo. Yes my plan sucked but at least I can hear the invaluable inputs you guys have and well, i'm gonna try n run more things by you guys once I am a bit more clearer about the situation. Cheers.

[NeoVerine]

Better yet dont post it at all, if you are serious in doing this crime


senshido - Thanks for the idea and if I had a totally solid plan, I'd have no reason to post but only because I posted, am sitting here safely right now and not doing something stupid that would've ended miserably for me. I gotta get my act together and research like a bitch n then see what the geniuses here have to say and where I'm going wrong.

[sexually vulnerable CPR dummy]

just pretend your jason bourne

[RadioFree]

Yeah, you can pick up a million dollars - but, it's going to be heavy as fuck. I don't believe you could "easily" life 400 pounds. Unless you're like, a renowned body builder or something.

This is in reference to "American" dollars.

I don't know where the fuck you got this 400 lbs figure from, but a million dollars weighs something like 40 to 50 lbs. Check your math.

[ripwog]

I think the basic outline of your plan is solid. There are 8 people in the house which obviously leaves lots of opportunities for heroes to arise and try and stop you, but if you had a gun pointed at someone they loved, they would comply. I don't agree with dousing them with gasoline because it makes the situation seem hopeless to the victims. If they are covered in gas, they realize how easy it would be for you to eliminate all of them as witnesses. I don't know how they'd feel, but I can personally say that I would see it as a clear point of no return. Just the gun would work because once they're tied up and under control (if tied properly), they can no longer be heroes. There's also a chance for something to go wrong with so much gasoline all over everything and everyone. Just a spark would end everything at that point.

The way to go is to secure a gun and a decent amount of ammo, and maybe look into making a homemade pipe bomb or something similar to show them.

By far the biggest problem with your current thinking is bringing in partners. They would become much more dangerous to you than the incapacitated family once the money was secured. They would probably kill you to make it a 1 or 2 way split. They may do that just for the fact they would expect it to maybe be happening to them if they didn't. Remember that the only one you can trust with this kind of money involved is yourself. 5 mil split 3 ways is great but it isn't THAT great anyway.

And another important thing to do, as others have already said here is you need to look into the bank he stores his money at and their withdrawal practices in more detail. 5 mil is alot of money that even most US banks wouldn't even have on hand. I know you say this country is different and maybe I can't relate, but it's a shithole. Shitholes are shitholes BECAUSE they don't have that kind of money lying around. Are you sure you're not mistaken about them having it? If they only had a fraction of the 5 mil it could take days or weeks to get that much together, which would be the end for you.

I really hope it works out for you, but only if it doesn't mean harming the teenage girls or anyone else in that house that doesn't deserve to die. Offing the main man is excusable and maybe even beneficial because I'm guessing he's probably the only one of the bunch except the son (who won't be there) who knows details about who you are, but death is permanent and its inexcusable to rob someone innocent of everything they have, ever could have or become over some money.

[is all mememememe with me]

if you need to tie up 8 people dont bother tying them all separately. if you wanna make sure none of them can go anywhere then tie 1 persons wrists to the next persons ankles. then their wrists to the next ones ankles and so on. when you get to the 8th person, their wrists go to the first ones ankles so they are all stuck in a big circle where none of them can even stand let alone run off the moment your distracted for a moment. use cable ties, thick ones, but be sure not to handle the ties with bare hands as you can easily leave DNA on them. and ffs don't hold them in your mouth while your zipping one up.

[NeoVerine]

I think the basic outline of your plan is solid. There are 8 people in the house which obviously leaves lots of opportunities for heroes to arise and try and stop you, but if you had a gun pointed at someone they loved, they would comply. I don't agree with dousing them with gasoline because it makes the situation seem hopeless to the victims. If they are covered in gas, they realize how easy it would be for you to eliminate all of them as witnesses. I don't know how they'd feel, but I can personally say that I would see it as a clear point of no return. Just the gun would work because once they're tied up and under control (if tied properly), they can no longer be heroes. There's also a chance for something to go wrong with so much gasoline all over everything and everyone. Just a spark would end everything at that point.

The way to go is to secure a gun and a decent amount of ammo, and maybe look into making a homemade pipe bomb or something similar to show them.

By far the biggest problem with your current thinking is bringing in partners. They would become much more dangerous to you than the incapacitated family once the money was secured. They would probably kill you to make it a 1 or 2 way split. They may do that just for the fact they would expect it to maybe be happening to them if they didn't. Remember that the only one you can trust with this kind of money involved is yourself. 5 mil split 3 ways is great but it isn't THAT great anyway.

And another important thing to do, as others have already said here is you need to look into the bank he stores his money at and their withdrawal practices in more detail. 5 mil is alot of money that even most US banks wouldn't even have on hand. I know you say this country is different and maybe I can't relate, but it's a shithole. Shitholes are shitholes BECAUSE they don't have that kind of money lying around. Are you sure you're not mistaken about them having it? If they only had a fraction of the 5 mil it could take days or weeks to get that much together, which would be the end for you.

I really hope it works out for you, but only if it doesn't mean harming the teenage girls or anyone else in that house that doesn't deserve to die. Offing the main man is excusable and maybe even beneficial because I'm guessing he's probably the only one of the bunch except the son (who won't be there) who knows details about who you are, but death is permanent and its inexcusable to rob someone innocent of everything they have, ever could have or become over some money.



Ripwog - Really appreciate the great input. I see your point about dousing everyone in gasoline and then something going wrong just due to bad luck. Also, if I was to do such a thing, myself and any accomplices would also be in danger from it, very solid point. Maybe making bucketloads of napalm and packing them so they look like C4s n making vests with them as another poster has already suggested (the vest idea). I don't wanna off any of the others but only that fag main man. The entire family knows me very well so even if they recognise me, I'd not bother bother with them 'cos once I'm out of the country, they'll never find me, that's for sure.

From all the useful inputs, it's obvious a gun (at the very least) is required for this, so that's been on top of my list for the last 36 hours and i'll only plan ahead ONCE I've got something sorted on that front.

That large an amount in the bank, spot on. It's a shithole but they'll definitely not have the amount I'm thinking of. I got some more news today so yeah, basically if I'm waiting in THEIR premises, i'm well and truly screwed, not a chance. I'll have to abandon the plan of 8 and go with just the 1 it seems, and whisk that person off somewhere totally different.

Thanks for the post, appreciate your advice.

[NeoVerine]

if you need to tie up 8 people dont bother tying them all separately. if you wanna make sure none of them can go anywhere then tie 1 persons wrists to the next persons ankles. then their wrists to the next ones ankles and so on. when you get to the 8th person, their wrists go to the first ones ankles so they are all stuck in a big circle where none of them can even stand let alone run off the moment your distracted for a moment. use cable ties, thick ones, but be sure not to handle the ties with bare hands as you can easily leave DNA on them. and ffs don't hold them in your mouth while your zipping one up.



L O L it's a good thing I don't have any beef with you and it's even better I've never met you 'cos I'd not wanna be on the wrong side of you with your style of thinking dude. That big circle idea is bloody awesome at the least, lol, never occurred to me whatsoever. L O L.... nice big happy family circle....!

Might also be worthwhile putting a noose around everyone's necks too? just giving them more shit to think about and keeping their brains more paranoid than it already is? might be better to put one of the noose on one person, and the person who's exactly opposite to the 1st person, put the other end of the noose on him, so none of them will wanna try to pull away too? Still, ur wrists to ankle idea is genius. Thanks for a great idea.

[ripwog]

Ripwog - Really appreciate the great input. I see your point about dousing everyone in gasoline and then something going wrong just due to bad luck. Also, if I was to do such a thing, myself and any accomplices would also be in danger from it, very solid point. Maybe making bucketloads of napalm and packing them so they look like C4s n making vests with them as another poster has already suggested (the vest idea). I don't wanna off any of the others but only that fag main man. The entire family knows me very well so even if they recognise me, I'd not bother bother with them 'cos once I'm out of the country, they'll never find me, that's for sure.

From all the useful inputs, it's obvious a gun (at the very least) is required for this, so that's been on top of my list for the last 36 hours and i'll only plan ahead ONCE I've got something sorted on that front.

That large an amount in the bank, spot on. It's a shithole but they'll definitely not have the amount I'm thinking of. I got some more news today so yeah, basically if I'm waiting in THEIR premises, i'm well and truly screwed, not a chance. I'll have to abandon the plan of 8 and go with just the 1 it seems, and whisk that person off somewhere totally different.

Thanks for the post, appreciate your advice.
If you only take one what is stopping the other 7 from contacting authorities? If you plan on waiting for them to get the money together, you kinda have to stay there with the family don't you? As soon as you leave you're no longer in control of the situation.

I assume you'd be taking the person the main man cares about most and not the main man? Or if you mean to take him and keep the rest of the family controlled just under the threat of something happening to him, that may not work. He sounds like he oppresses everyone in that house anyway.

It could turn into a manhunt for you while you're waiting for a bank to collect money even though they've been notified of the situation already. Or do you mean taking someone to different banks to withdraw it?

[NeoVerine]

If you only take one what is stopping the other 7 from contacting authorities? If you plan on waiting for them to get the money together, you kinda have to stay there with the family don't you? As soon as you leave you're no longer in control of the situation.

I assume you'd be taking the person the main man cares about most and not the main man? Or if you mean to take him and keep the rest of the family controlled just under the threat of something happening to him, that may not work. He sounds like he oppresses everyone in that house anyway.

It could turn into a manhunt for you while you're waiting for a bank to collect money even though they've been notified of the situation already. Or do you mean taking someone to different banks to withdraw it?

Thanks for the quick reply. Ok, At first it seemed it'd be best if the main man was taken but then, the rest might not pay up 'cos he IS a truly oppressive bastard. In this part of the world, these people care about lineage more than anything, so the best bet would be to take his son. Then he's most likely to pay up. As for them contacting the authorities, they'll be told that if there's even such a hint, they'll lose their son. Yes the control of the situation will be lost if the others are free BUT it seems better to be at a diff. location with only one person than waiting in their own home with 8 people, what do you think?

Collection is the biggest problem so far. HOW TO COLLECT? I've started another threat with this part as one of the main problems, the drop. I also used the scene from "Speed" where the guy uses a litter bin to collect the money from under the sewers, here, there's no such luck. AND, going my Murphy's Law, if the bastards have got pigs keeping an eye, what could be the best source of extraction of the funds? Of course if I was to do the job, I'd have the pick of a place and they'd HAVE to comply, but I still can't figure out HOW the drop can be done properly. Any ideas on that?

[is all mememememe with me]

i've always thought if doing a kidnapping or any kind of ransom job then it would be very beneficial to bug the guy your ransoming. that way at the very least you will know if he called the cops and you could even spook him by calling just as he's about to pick up the phone to call them and tell him you know what he is about to do. say something like

"you pick up that phone and they die right now, before you've even told the cops why you're calling"

[is all mememememe with me]

course you do know that which ever way you play this, the most vulnerable moment for you is the point when you collect the money. if the cops grab you at that moment then there will be little you can do about it. especially if your accomplices aren't so bothered about you. they'll probably just bail as soon as they know you've been had.

[NeoVerine]

i've always thought if doing a kidnapping or any kind of ransom job then it would be very beneficial to bug the guy your ransoming. that way at the very least you will know if he called the cops and you could even spook him by calling just as he's about to pick up the phone to call them and tell him you know what he is about to do. say something like

"you pick up that phone and they die right now, before you've even told the cops why you're calling"


Superb idea. Only problem in this particular case would be, the bug. In this craphole, you need a license to even keep a gen1 NVG, and u can't even dream of finding gen3 (don't know if gen 4's out yet, not looked at high end shit in months). CCTVs for offices are only coming into the market and even due to high price, ppl r shunning them for now. Technology is so distant from these people, it's amazing how they live.

[NeoVerine]

course you do know that which ever way you play this, the most vulnerable moment for you is the point when you collect the money. if the cops grab you at that moment then there will be little you can do about it. especially if your accomplices aren't so bothered about you. they'll probably just bail as soon as they know you've been had.

Unfortunately, am fully aware of this amigo. The fucktards who're i'm gonna draft in are all relying on me, they're just pawns and have no brains whatsoever (and not much muscle either sadly). So if I get in shit, I'm done for, and that's why the collection is really bugging me. Can't even say I have half an idea for collection 'cos I simply don't. Whichever way I look at it, am hitting a wall. Any bright ideas?

[P`s]

Im actually of Bangladeshi origin and im baffled by the amount of research you have done on my country. Truth be told is that most people in banladesh dont give a monkeys about money and materilistic goods which is why they are so behind on technology (thats what i think anyway). I`ve been to bangladesh a fair few amount of times on long holidays and crime has never been a problem; i have been to dhaka, syslet and other small villages. My grandad actually owns a village there and has told me that crime is very rare. Also to take over bangladesh you`d probably need to kidnap a few children from powerful families.

Forget the couple of millions when you can have the whole country lol.

Maybe we can join togther and take over a small country in future that im not from lol.

[ripwog]

I still stand by what I say. Bringing in partners would be a mistake, especially if you're reverting from the original plan of keeping them all as hostages. I don't think your plan of just taking one of them is a good one though. The main man sounds like hes a total asshole and he may be willing to lose his son or at least gamble with his life by trying something.

A better scenario would be kidnapping them all in a panel truck as someone suggested. Once they're bound and cant move, getting them into the truck wouldn't be too hard. If you could do it without leaving signs of a struggle and left a note saying they went on vacation or something, there's a possibility it could work. But then again, with their bizarre lifestyle the thought of them going on vacation may arouse too much suspicion. Is it totally unheard of for them to be going places as a family?

[is all mememememe with me]

Superb idea. Only problem in this particular case would be, the bug. In this craphole, you need a license to even keep a gen1 NVG, and u can't even dream of finding gen3 (don't know if gen 4's out yet, not looked at high end shit in months). CCTVs for offices are only coming into the market and even due to high price, ppl r shunning them for now. Technology is so distant from these people, it's amazing how they live.

are you for real?? ..you're talking about some huge kidnapp/ransom job that will get you 50 years and you're worrying about the legal aspects of using a bugging device without a license? ..gtfo of here

[ripwog]

are you for real?? ..you're talking about some huge kidnapp/ransom job that will get you 50 years and you're worrying about the legal aspects of using a bugging device without a license? ..gtfo of here

He was obviously trying to point out the difficulty of obtaining equipment like that in Bangladesh, not the legal ramifications of using it. Would ordering it online be possible? Not sure what the mail system/customs are like there

[is all mememememe with me]

He was obviously trying to point out the difficulty of obtaining equipment like that in Bangladesh, not the legal ramifications of using it. Would ordering it online be possible? Not sure what the mail system/customs are like there

at worst you just get someone out the country to order it and send it on. if you have to get them to open a cd player or something and install it inside so you can recover it on the bangladeshi side.

[ilovechronic]

I'm not making "shit" up you numbnut. I didn't say there are no guns in the country, they're just not available to me or anyone who comes here from abroad. This shithole has tonnes of guns, the military catches a few TRUCK loads every year. BUT mention a gun here n ppl in general r running for the exit route. The military has tonnes of guns which they sell on black but it's only super hush hush. Also, how much is a 9mm glock 17 in the US, illegal ofcourse? here, I'm being quoted over $4k WITHOUT THE MAG (another shit practice here, they wanna sell u a gun without mag so then u fork out for the mag afterwards)

dude... You can't even source a firearm what makes you think you can pull this shit off? Also, good luck dousing them in a flammable substance I could see you fucking it up and accidentally igniting them.

[NeoVerine]

Sorry about the very delayed response guys, been out of the city for a while. I see there are a lot of posts and so thank you, I'll try to go thru them one by one. Cheers.

[NeoVerine]

Im actually of Bangladeshi origin and im baffled by the amount of research you have done on my country. Truth be told is that most people in banladesh dont give a monkeys about money and materilistic goods which is why they are so behind on technology (thats what i think anyway). I`ve been to bangladesh a fair few amount of times on long holidays and crime has never been a problem; i have been to dhaka, syslet and other small villages. My grandad actually owns a village there and has told me that crime is very rare. Also to take over bangladesh you`d probably need to kidnap a few children from powerful families.

Forget the couple of millions when you can have the whole country lol.

Maybe we can join togther and take over a small country in future that im not from lol.


Lol well, hello to you dude! You really think that most people are not materialistic? Well, the scumbags in the cities are for sure (from what I've seen). And thing is, crime isn't really rare here AT ALL but REAL crime (and I mean big ass high level crimes) are next to non existent as nearly all the crimes are just petty thefts and what not. And I like your idea about taking over the country but I have no personal inclination to do any such thing :-p I just want my dough and be outta here! lol.

And hey, maybe you should join me n try to take over this country n own it after the job is done eh? lolll

[NeoVerine]

I still stand by what I say. Bringing in partners would be a mistake, especially if you're reverting from the original plan of keeping them all as hostages. I don't think your plan of just taking one of them is a good one though. The main man sounds like hes a total asshole and he may be willing to lose his son or at least gamble with his life by trying something.

A better scenario would be kidnapping them all in a panel truck as someone suggested. Once they're bound and cant move, getting them into the truck wouldn't be too hard. If you could do it without leaving signs of a struggle and left a note saying they went on vacation or something, there's a possibility it could work. But then again, with their bizarre lifestyle the thought of them going on vacation may arouse too much suspicion. Is it totally unheard of for them to be going places as a family?


It would be best if ALL of them were taken but from the way things are, the son seems like the best bet 'cos he's the one who has to carry on the family lineage and all that rubbish. The main man is a total asswipe, no doubt, but he'll cough up when it's the "son" (only son n all).

And you've hit it on the head, there's not been a single occassion over the last 2 years at the very least when they've ALL gone out, it just doesn't happen with these reclusive anti-social maggots. Waste of space tightass mugs sitting on all that cash.

I'm heavily leaning on just one person, grab, getaway, send demand. IF all goes well, collect, if not, drop the sack of shit and move on.

[NeoVerine]

are you for real?? ..you're talking about some huge kidnapp/ransom job that will get you 50 years and you're worrying about the legal aspects of using a bugging device without a license? ..gtfo of here


Yo... FUCKHEAD, IF I was even remotely "worried" about the legal aspects of using something that requires a license, u reckon I'd be looking for 9mms or be in possession of NVGs? I was MAKING A POINT. Here, you don't get private detectives like u do in modernised countries. Here ppl hire cops, and as the cops are corrupt fucks, they just stop n interrogate anyone if they want to (other than the big wigs or they'll lose their jobs).

Bottomline is, I WILL HAVE TO ORDER THAT SHIT IN FROM ELSEWHERE AND IT WILL TAKE TIME.

[NeoVerine]

He was obviously trying to point out the difficulty of obtaining equipment like that in Bangladesh, not the legal ramifications of using it. Would ordering it online be possible? Not sure what the mail system/customs are like there

Thank you Ripwog, some people just can't read patiently enough to understand what they're reading it seems.

Yes I've talked to someone and the only option I have is to ship it in but it's gonna take time. If you send anything here even by special delivery or recorded delivery, the customs guys are such pigs here they open it all up n go through the stuff. The only way I've found to get around that is using courier services to bring in clothes from abroad and as a bug won't be big at all, stick in a bunch of razors or personal items and just add the little box with it. I know that'll work 'cos I received something only a while back and it contained some of the stuff I needed, but only problem being, it takes longer.

[NeoVerine]

at worst you just get someone out the country to order it and send it on. if you have to get them to open a cd player or something and install it inside so you can recover it on the bangladeshi side.



Very good idea, thank you.

[NeoVerine]

dude... You can't even source a firearm what makes you think you can pull this shit off? Also, good luck dousing them in a flammable substance I could see you fucking it up and accidentally igniting them.


I can't source a firearm, yet. Yes, been having major difficulty on that front which is why I took the advice from all the people on this forum and postponed the entire thing until I get some firepower, as otherwise it's gonna be plain suicide.

thanks for your post.

[ilovechronic]

Yes gen 4 NV exists and you will never get your greasy paws on a set of it.

Also don't think a firearm is going to help you any better than your original plan.

[is all mememememe with me]

Yo... FUCKHEAD, IF I was even remotely "worried" about the legal aspects of using something that requires a license, u reckon I'd be looking for 9mms or be in possession of NVGs? I was MAKING A POINT. Here, you don't get private detectives like u do in modernised countries. Here ppl hire cops, and as the cops are corrupt fucks, they just stop n interrogate anyone if they want to (other than the big wigs or they'll lose their jobs).

Bottomline is, I WILL HAVE TO ORDER THAT SHIT IN FROM ELSEWHERE AND IT WILL TAKE TIME.

ok, no need for the fuckhead dude -_-

[JoePedo]

BUT this is a third world country where a male child is far more superior than a female child.

I predict your plan will go excellently until you are raepd by her big black boyfriend (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0328107/).

As you can tell, I have done in-depth study.

[Mashleshmash]

I think the basic outline of your plan is solid. There are 8 people in the house which obviously leaves lots of opportunities for heroes to arise and try and stop you, but if you had a gun pointed at someone they loved, they would comply. I don't agree with dousing them with gasoline because it makes the situation seem hopeless to the victims. If they are covered in gas, they realize how easy it would be for you to eliminate all of them as witnesses. I don't know how they'd feel, but I can personally say that I would see it as a clear point of no return. Just the gun would work because once they're tied up and under control (if tied properly), they can no longer be heroes. There's also a chance for something to go wrong with so much gasoline all over everything and everyone. Just a spark would end everything at that point.

The way to go is to secure a gun and a decent amount of ammo, and maybe look into making a homemade pipe bomb or something similar to show them.

By far the biggest problem with your current thinking is bringing in partners. They would become much more dangerous to you than the incapacitated family once the money was secured. They would probably kill you to make it a 1 or 2 way split. They may do that just for the fact they would expect it to maybe be happening to them if they didn't. Remember that the only one you can trust with this kind of money involved is yourself. 5 mil split 3 ways is great but it isn't THAT great anyway.

And another important thing to do, as others have already said here is you need to look into the bank he stores his money at and their withdrawal practices in more detail. 5 mil is alot of money that even most US banks wouldn't even have on hand. I know you say this country is different and maybe I can't relate, but it's a shithole. Shitholes are shitholes BECAUSE they don't have that kind of money lying around. Are you sure you're not mistaken about them having it? If they only had a fraction of the 5 mil it could take days or weeks to get that much together, which would be the end for you.

I really hope it works out for you, but only if it doesn't mean harming the teenage girls or anyone else in that house that doesn't deserve to die. Offing the main man is excusable and maybe even beneficial because I'm guessing he's probably the only one of the bunch except the son (who won't be there) who knows details about who you are, but death is permanent and its inexcusable to rob someone innocent of everything they have, ever could have or become over some money.

First real, good reply in this thread. The Mudfarmer Plantation Owner schooled you all.

[Daletor5]

Charge in, beat the shit out of everyone but the one you plan on making get the money, tie them up, avoid brusing them. a gun would be helpful, but if you are fast enough, and strong enough you should be good. getting them one at a time would be hard and pointless. do in quick in less than 24 hrs after the start of the operation. Good luck, get it done.

Edit: DON'T FORGET TO COVER YOUR FUCKING FACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Akagi]

remember this

http://storyful.s3.amazonaws.com/production/ci_images/1091879/sun_bomb_headline-large.jpg

Hoax. (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2011/08/police-says-collar-bomb-strapped-to-teen-was-a-fake/1)

[DarkNinja]

Ive only been here since mid last year or so but even for bad ideas this post is cold and ive seen some pretty fucked up posts. If your seriously going to do this I hope you get caught. Fraud and theft is one thing but taking hostages and possibly killing someone is another thing entirely.

[Akagi]

He's going to be brought into a private area at the bank when he requests that kind of cash withdraw and that's when he'll tell them what happened and a special forces unit will be dispatched to his house because you didn't move the hostages to an undisclosed location.

Also, they'll tell him that it's going to take several days to process a withdraw of that magnitude. You don't just walk into a bank and come out with 14 million in cash. They need time to get a cash delivery via armored truck to process that kind of withdraw.

[sexually vulnerable CPR dummy]

Ive only been here since mid last year or so but even for bad ideas this post is cold and ive seen some pretty fucked up posts. If your seriously going to do this I hope you get caught. Fraud and theft is one thing but taking hostages and possibly killing someone is another thing entirely.


GTFO

[NeoVerine]

Charge in, beat the shit out of everyone but the one you plan on making get the money, tie them up, avoid brusing them. a gun would be helpful, but if you are fast enough, and strong enough you should be good. getting them one at a time would be hard and pointless. do in quick in less than 24 hrs after the start of the operation. Good luck, get it done.

Edit: DON'T FORGET TO COVER YOUR FUCKING FACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Good idea. Sometimes overplanning just fucks it all up. You outlined a very brute idea and it might just work.

[NeoVerine]

Ive only been here since mid last year or so but even for bad ideas this post is cold and ive seen some pretty fucked up posts. If your seriously going to do this I hope you get caught. Fraud and theft is one thing but taking hostages and possibly killing someone is another thing entirely.

I'm sorry, I didn't know I'd wandered into a church forum by mistake. "taking hostages and possibly killing someone is another thing entirely"... rich coming from someone who fantasizes about being a "Dark Ninja"...

Thanks for the moral class but, if you ain't got anything useful to add, kindly get lost. :-)

[NeoVerine]

He's going to be brought into a private area at the bank when he requests that kind of cash withdraw and that's when he'll tell them what happened and a special forces unit will be dispatched to his house because you didn't move the hostages to an undisclosed location.

Also, they'll tell him that it's going to take several days to process a withdraw of that magnitude. You don't just walk into a bank and come out with 14 million in cash. They need time to get a cash delivery via armored truck to process that kind of withdraw.



Thanks for the input. I appreciate the points you're making but in this craphole, things work VERY differently. And the target isn't 14 mil, at max 5m was mentioned but after so many ppl pointed out that it might be too big, it's being reconsidered.

[NeoVerine]

GTFO


Couldn't agree more.

[rippa]

Never theorized about this scenario much, but input can be enough to spark a chain of ideas for how the fictional character that I'd greatly love to see succeed could get away with his plan. So, here are my (potentially flawed) ideas concerning the drop:

Well, let's say the son is taken hostage alone, and the family's house is filled with at the very least a fake bomb and proper procedures are taken to make them think you can remotely detonate their house at any time (not really my point, just another idea). Anyway, son is taken to safe location, treated well. Maybe beaten before taken away from the family, you know them, I don't, I would consider two scenarios there; he's beaten in front of them, they consider him good as dead, and go the authority route, OR; they see him beaten, and take you as being serious. So, before you leave, you explain to them that the money will be dropped at your location of choosing (quite possibly at the edge of the city), at a specific time, BUT will be picked up at an unspecified time, and date. Consider counter-surveillance, to see if anyone if watching the spot being used for the drop. State that if there is any return to check on the money, the boy dies, and if there is any surveillance or tracing, the boy dies. Have them understand that the boy will NOT be released upon the drop, or the pick up of the money. I'd really consider heavy counter-surveillance, and figuring out if the money could possibly have any GPS-type tracking on it, or a way for anyone to be notified if it is touched. State that the boy will be safely released, period. But it will be after the money has been received, and it will be at your own discretion. Make sure to clarify that if anything happens during the pick up of the money, the boy's location will never be known, and he will starve to death. After picking up the money (maybe make a fake suicide bomber vest for this, also?), there's a variety of options (also, don't bring the money to where the boy is being held, in case of tracking or surveillance, because worst case scenario, is they catch you, but you still hold power by controlling the release of the boy, in which case you could possibly (but, not very probable), use the power to negotiate your release), one would be to have the majority of the money stored however you think it should be done, then return and release the boy in a far away city, and hiring a car (not sure how that works, in my country, I'd give him bus fare and release him in a quiet, but safe environment and allow him to bus it back home, hopefully the unknown city would assure him to not contact their local authorities, but to travel home, and then the hunt for you is on upon his arrival at home, possibly a good 5 hours after his release). You could also leave him to rot, and flee, as they'd be waiting for his release to come after you. I do have ethical problems with that though. Just like to clarify that I don't have anything against the murder/harming of people, but undeserving kids that never got to live sure don't deserve a slow starvation in my books. Another idea would be to have him in some sort of password locked room (digital door lock futuristic bullshit? Maybe a bicycle combination lock?), and leave a cell phone (that never traces back to you), in the room with him. Explain to him that he will recieve a call/text containing the combination (make sure he can't phone out, either), upon your getaway (and leave him plenty of food and water, maybe some porn). You could really get creative. You could leave him somewhere, and mail the location of him to the family (if there's postal service). I'm not exactly sure at that point, as I've presented ideas with obvious potential flaws. Purpose is for expansion on thoughts, not an outlined plan. Also, if I were you, I'd stay in a safe location, and let the money stay in it's safe location, and the boy in his safe location (three seperate places), for a while (your own discretion), before attempting to leave the country, just so they overwork themselves immediately, with roadside searches and the like, and not catch anyone. After all, they can't search every car for months, that leaves the country. However, they might (don't know how probable, in the country described), immediately try to search as many cars as possible, in hopes you're already fleeing.

Sorry for the run-on sentences and lack of paragraphs entirely. I figure, if this is merely a dialogue for entertainment, I won't waste time sorting it, that's boring, but I enjoyed the concept and discussion. And if this is a real novel actually being written, you'll be more than motivated to take the time to go through it anyway. Cheers, and I hope this is a best-seller.

[tweakmode]

ok, heres my thoughts after painstakingly reading all 4 pages.
-do not go in tha house. instead, go with kidnapping tha son.
-do not have any partners, they will likely screw u over

-have tha ransom note already written out b4 u kidnap him. then, after kidnapping him and retreating to a safe place away from tha area (NOT UR PLACE), pay sum1 to deliver tha SEALED ransom note in person. make sure they deliver it, THIS IS KEY. also, do not have that person know anything about u, and meet them in a designated place after they deliver tha note. promise them extra money when they return with tha guy's signature and his phone number. make sure tha note says to not contact tha police, and that a phone call will be made in 1 hour to discuss tha return of his son. do not harm tha son.

-TIGHTLY duct tape (OR ZIP TIE wrists and ankles) son's wrists behind his back, his mouth, his ankles, and duct tape his arms to his side, and lay him down on a couch face up so he can breathe. make sure he can breathe thru his nose. if he cant, then u could stuff a hankerchief or sock in his mouth to muffle tha noise of him screaming but allowing a better airflow. tell tha son that if he cooperates he will be back home in no time, unharmed.

-for tha getaway, u want tha least predictable method of travel, i recommend public travel, or cab if u got cabs around therr. a combination of both is good. if u take tha bus, i recommend taking tha dangerous one where they dont identify tha passengers. u only live life once, and this is far less risky than any other method. get off at tha NEXT city, then take a bus (or cab preferably) to another busy part of town and jump in another bus or cab. do this a couple times for preventative reasons, it will slow them down immensely if they have to question cab/bus drivers. more tha merrier. then finally take tha train outta tha country. get to a civilized region, and rent a cheap low-key motel room under a fake name. pay them in cash, in advance for 2 days. stay only 1. then go to tha NEXT AVAILABLE ROOM and NOT THA ROOM THEY ASSIGNED U. do NOT use any credit cards or identification anywhere. do not go any public places til nighttime, avoid as much as possible anyway. change ur appearance, hair dye, facial hair, sideburns, hairline etc. spend tha rest of tha night caching and changing ur appearance. before u travel via airlines, cache about 80% of tha money. tell NOBODY about tha cache (this is extremely important. even if u get caught). empty paint cans could hold a few stacks, or a bunch of stacks underneath a bathroom tub or underneath a sink floorboard, in a few paintcans under tha sink (on top of tha under-sink panel would be perfect, so that even if tha paint can ones are found they would not think to look under tha panel beneath tha sink) or behind tha bathroom mirror in a hollowed out section, and u wanna cache in this motel room. whatever u do, replace it and make it look tha same as before (IT IS IMPORTANT THAT IT LOOKS THA SAME AS BEFORE. if any1 becomes suspicious u could lose all ur money). remember tha room number and location. waterproof it in baggies before u cache it. tha idea here is to bring 20% of tha money with u to ur country ur gonna finally live in, and make repeated trips back for another 20% at a time.

IF THA GUY DOES NOT PAY RANSOM FOR HIS SON:
-take tha son to a place in tha middle of nowhere and drop him off in tha woods. then follow tha above plan. I DOUBT tha guy would not pay for tha son. he might be a miser but he has tha kids in tha house for their PROTECTION. he DOES care. and i am SURE he would part with 5 million for him.

-a knife would be valuable, as well as a backup strapped somewhere. its not as good as a gun obviously, but if u cannot get a gun u need a weapon of sum sort.

-as an alternative u could take tha daughter and sell her to human traffickers if he does not pay ransom. u could use that threat as further leverage in tha case that he decides he is unwilling to pay. i would not take both, unless presented with an extremely easy opportunity to do so.

-i cannot stress enough that ur composure is KEY to this all working out, as well as a decent amount of luck... if some1 sees weakness (especially tha kidnapped kid(s)) then u are doomed. do not let them see self-doubt, or hesitation. be ruthless, sound aggressive, and think fast. Be as unpredictable as possible. do not let them take u alive if u are about to get caught.

i wish u tha best of luck sir

[NeoVerine]

Never theorized about this scenario much, but input can be enough to spark a chain of ideas for how the fictional character that I'd greatly love to see succeed could get away with his plan. So, here are my (potentially flawed) ideas concerning the drop:

Well, let's say the son is taken hostage alone, and the family's house is filled with at the very least a fake bomb and proper procedures are taken to make them think you can remotely detonate their house at any time (not really my point, just another idea). Anyway, son is taken to safe location, treated well. Maybe beaten before taken away from the family, you know them, I don't, I would consider two scenarios there; he's beaten in front of them, they consider him good as dead, and go the authority route, OR; they see him beaten, and take you as being serious. So, before you leave, you explain to them that the money will be dropped at your location of choosing (quite possibly at the edge of the city), at a specific time, BUT will be picked up at an unspecified time, and date. Consider counter-surveillance, to see if anyone if watching the spot being used for the drop. State that if there is any return to check on the money, the boy dies, and if there is any surveillance or tracing, the boy dies. Have them understand that the boy will NOT be released upon the drop, or the pick up of the money. I'd really consider heavy counter-surveillance, and figuring out if the money could possibly have any GPS-type tracking on it, or a way for anyone to be notified if it is touched. State that the boy will be safely released, period. But it will be after the money has been received, and it will be at your own discretion. Make sure to clarify that if anything happens during the pick up of the money, the boy's location will never be known, and he will starve to death. After picking up the money (maybe make a fake suicide bomber vest for this, also?), there's a variety of options (also, don't bring the money to where the boy is being held, in case of tracking or surveillance, because worst case scenario, is they catch you, but you still hold power by controlling the release of the boy, in which case you could possibly (but, not very probable), use the power to negotiate your release), one would be to have the majority of the money stored however you think it should be done, then return and release the boy in a far away city, and hiring a car (not sure how that works, in my country, I'd give him bus fare and release him in a quiet, but safe environment and allow him to bus it back home, hopefully the unknown city would assure him to not contact their local authorities, but to travel home, and then the hunt for you is on upon his arrival at home, possibly a good 5 hours after his release). You could also leave him to rot, and flee, as they'd be waiting for his release to come after you. I do have ethical problems with that though. Just like to clarify that I don't have anything against the murder/harming of people, but undeserving kids that never got to live sure don't deserve a slow starvation in my books. Another idea would be to have him in some sort of password locked room (digital door lock futuristic bullshit? Maybe a bicycle combination lock?), and leave a cell phone (that never traces back to you), in the room with him. Explain to him that he will recieve a call/text containing the combination (make sure he can't phone out, either), upon your getaway (and leave him plenty of food and water, maybe some porn). You could really get creative. You could leave him somewhere, and mail the location of him to the family (if there's postal service). I'm not exactly sure at that point, as I've presented ideas with obvious potential flaws. Purpose is for expansion on thoughts, not an outlined plan. Also, if I were you, I'd stay in a safe location, and let the money stay in it's safe location, and the boy in his safe location (three seperate places), for a while (your own discretion), before attempting to leave the country, just so they overwork themselves immediately, with roadside searches and the like, and not catch anyone. After all, they can't search every car for months, that leaves the country. However, they might (don't know how probable, in the country described), immediately try to search as many cars as possible, in hopes you're already fleeing.

Sorry for the run-on sentences and lack of paragraphs entirely. I figure, if this is merely a dialogue for entertainment, I won't waste time sorting it, that's boring, but I enjoyed the concept and discussion. And if this is a real novel actually being written, you'll be more than motivated to take the time to go through it anyway. Cheers, and I hope this is a best-seller.


Rippa - Thanks a lot for the ideas. Yes I know that you're going through several possibilities and I really appreciate that as it's always brainstorming like this which might give birth to a really good idea. Personally, I don't see the necessity in rigging the family's home with fake stuff 'cos it won't do much good. So far I personally think the best advice has been to take a leaf out of CSI Las Vegas when one of grissom's men are buried alive with a certain amount of time left for survival. That way, they family can't mess about or get any funny ideas 'cos they'll be made aware of the time and the countdown. I like your ideas though, gotta sit down and read through it all n see if something comes out of them. Thanks a lot.

[NeoVerine]

ok, heres my thoughts after painstakingly reading all 4 pages.
-do not go in tha house. instead, go with kidnapping tha son.
-do not have any partners, they will likely screw u over

-have tha ransom note already written out b4 u kidnap him. then, after kidnapping him and retreating to a safe place away from tha area (NOT UR PLACE), pay sum1 to deliver tha SEALED ransom note in person. make sure they deliver it, THIS IS KEY. also, do not have that person know anything about u, and meet them in a designated place after they deliver tha note. promise them extra money when they return with tha guy's signature and his phone number. make sure tha note says to not contact tha police, and that a phone call will be made in 1 hour to discuss tha return of his son. do not harm tha son.

-TIGHTLY duct tape (OR ZIP TIE wrists and ankles) son's wrists behind his back, his mouth, his ankles, and duct tape his arms to his side, and lay him down on a couch face up so he can breathe. make sure he can breathe thru his nose. if he cant, then u could stuff a hankerchief or sock in his mouth to muffle tha noise of him screaming but allowing a better airflow. tell tha son that if he cooperates he will be back home in no time, unharmed.

-for tha getaway, u want tha least predictable method of travel, i recommend public travel, or cab if u got cabs around therr. a combination of both is good. if u take tha bus, i recommend taking tha dangerous one where they dont identify tha passengers. u only live life once, and this is far less risky than any other method. get off at tha NEXT city, then take a bus (or cab preferably) to another busy part of town and jump in another bus or cab. do this a couple times for preventative reasons, it will slow them down immensely if they have to question cab/bus drivers. more tha merrier. then finally take tha train outta tha country. get to a civilized region, and rent a cheap low-key motel room under a fake name. pay them in cash, in advance for 2 days. stay only 1. then go to tha NEXT AVAILABLE ROOM and NOT THA ROOM THEY ASSIGNED U. do NOT use any credit cards or identification anywhere. do not go any public places til nighttime, avoid as much as possible anyway. change ur appearance, hair dye, facial hair, sideburns, hairline etc. spend tha rest of tha night caching and changing ur appearance. before u travel via airlines, cache about 80% of tha money. tell NOBODY about tha cache (this is extremely important. even if u get caught). empty paint cans could hold a few stacks, or a bunch of stacks underneath a bathroom tub or underneath a sink floorboard, in a few paintcans under tha sink (on top of tha under-sink panel would be perfect, so that even if tha paint can ones are found they would not think to look under tha panel beneath tha sink) or behind tha bathroom mirror in a hollowed out section, and u wanna cache in this motel room. whatever u do, replace it and make it look tha same as before (IT IS IMPORTANT THAT IT LOOKS THA SAME AS BEFORE. if any1 becomes suspicious u could lose all ur money). remember tha room number and location. waterproof it in baggies before u cache it. tha idea here is to bring 20% of tha money with u to ur country ur gonna finally live in, and make repeated trips back for another 20% at a time.

IF THA GUY DOES NOT PAY RANSOM FOR HIS SON:
-take tha son to a place in tha middle of nowhere and drop him off in tha woods. then follow tha above plan. I DOUBT tha guy would not pay for tha son. he might be a miser but he has tha kids in tha house for their PROTECTION. he DOES care. and i am SURE he would part with 5 million for him.

-a knife would be valuable, as well as a backup strapped somewhere. its not as good as a gun obviously, but if u cannot get a gun u need a weapon of sum sort.

-as an alternative u could take tha daughter and sell her to human traffickers if he does not pay ransom. u could use that threat as further leverage in tha case that he decides he is unwilling to pay. i would not take both, unless presented with an extremely easy opportunity to do so.

-i cannot stress enough that ur composure is KEY to this all working out, as well as a decent amount of luck... if some1 sees weakness (especially tha kidnapped kid(s)) then u are doomed. do not let them see self-doubt, or hesitation. be ruthless, sound aggressive, and think fast. Be as unpredictable as possible. do not let them take u alive if u are about to get caught.

i wish u tha best of luck sir


SUPERB SUPERB SUPERB. I thank YOU for reading through the pages and thinking thoroughly through the entire process. I really like some of the ideas (the changing of multiple buses for example) and that'd really work here. You're right, if it's for the SON, the payment will most likely be made, but the only problem, or the bit not worked out yet, is to do with the drop. I like the idea of a personal courier, as long as the package is delivered to the house guard, he will deliver it to his master, no problem. You seem to have some super ideas, any idea about the drop? Really low tech and basic stuff. Knives are not a problem, axes are not a problem, but right now firearm is a bit of a trouble but still working on it.

Thanks a lot once again for the great ideas. Am trying to thank u but can't seem to find the damn button from y'day! :@

[Icemelta]

didnt you say this had to be done by the 18th...
good putting into place a theory even if it didnt go into action

[NeoVerine]

didnt you say this had to be done by the 18th...
good putting into place a theory even if it didnt go into action


The date was changed when I realised that if I rushed it, I'd be asking for trouble. I do have a rough date but the way I see it right now, the son is most likely going to leave the country by the time I'm able to pull it off, so I might just have to concentrate on the main guy. I'm caught in really mixed up position right now. IF the son's to be taken, the window left is no more than 6-7 days tops, but that'll be rushing it like crazy and without the proper gear, it's just plain stupidity right now. I don't wanna be over-cautious but also don't wanna be too greedy and fuck it up without thinking it all through. I nearly fucked it up last month when I was hell bent on pulling it off but it was due to the other members showing me the holes in the original plan that I realised how they saved my ass.

[is all mememememe with me]

Hoax. (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2011/08/police-says-collar-bomb-strapped-to-teen-was-a-fake/1)

yes, but they didn't fucking know that did they? that guys plan was floored when he left the house and the girl alone and just expected payment. that was stupid, who wouldn't call the bomb squad the moment he was gone?


pay sum1 to deliver tha SEALED ransom note in person. make sure they deliver it, THIS IS KEY. also, do not have that person know anything about u, and meet them in a designated place after they deliver tha note. promise them extra money when they return with tha guy's signature and his phone number. make sure tha note says to not contact tha police, and that a phone call will be made in 1 hour to discuss tha return of his son. do not harm tha son.

just a couple of things here. DO NOT MEET THE COURIER OF THE RANSOM DEMAND AFTER THEY HAVE DELIVERED IT. it would only take a moment to open it and see what it was, they could easily catch him and he would drop you without even thinking about it when he realizes the situation you have put him in. also to show he isn't an accomplice to you. it would be unlikely to be him who came to meet you. or at least he wouldn't be alone.

-TIGHTLY duct tape (OR ZIP TIE wrists and ankles) son's wrists behind his back, his mouth, his ankles, and duct tape his arms to his side, and lay him down on a couch face up so he can breathe.

don't use duct tape if you can help it. it is notorious for catching your fingerprint in the glue when you're taping up. handling tape without getting your fingers or palm on the sticky side is almost impossible. and even with gloves it will catch fibres which could catch you out later on. cable ties everytime. just remember what i told you about them before concerning dna.

actually, ideally use proper handcuffs.

[tweakmode]

just a couple of things here. DO NOT MEET THE COURIER OF THE RANSOM DEMAND AFTER THEY HAVE DELIVERED IT. it would only take a moment to open it and see what it was, they could easily catch him and he would drop you without even thinking about it when he realizes the situation you have put him in. also to show he isn't an accomplice to you. it would be unlikely to be him who came to meet you. or at least he wouldn't be alone.
do u mean not to meet tha random guy u sent to deliver tha ransom note? u need to get tha phone number and signature confirming delivery to tha right place, if tha courier u send with tha ransom note is stupid and delivers a ransom note to tha wrong house, shit will hit tha fan real quick... it will be a total bust... u could just send tha courier one way (and tell him to meet u back for tha extra cash from delivery and then leave with no intention of paying him tha 2nd part of payment.) send tha courier with tha ransom note inside a package with a prepaid phone (make sure u put that phone's phone # in YOUR prepaid phone so u can call it) and follow tha plan i outlined.


don't use duct tape if you can help it. it is notorious for catching your fingerprint in the glue when you're taping up. handling tape without getting your fingers or palm on the sticky side is almost impossible. and even with gloves it will catch fibres which could catch you out later on. cable ties everytime. just remember what i told you about them before concerning dna.

actually, ideally use proper handcuffs.
since he lives in Bangladesh he said forensics are poor therr, so i was not too concerned with fingerprints in tha plan i made 4 him. but then again i do not know tha country well enough to say, he would have to make that judgement. i think duct tape is more secure in holding a person bound, but zip/cable ties will DEF do tha job. If hes concerned about fingerprints def go tha cable tie route, and he should wipe fingerprints off of everything he touches (including tha apartment he regularly stayed at, and tha phone he gave w tha ransom note). Personally i think tha plan is swift enough if u keep it simple like my plan outlined that even if they DO manage to get fingerprints/ID him thru DNA or w/e, that he will be long gone by then...

[tweakmode]

SUPERB SUPERB SUPERB. I thank YOU for reading through the pages and thinking thoroughly through the entire process. I really like some of the ideas (the changing of multiple buses for example) and that'd really work here. You're right, if it's for the SON, the payment will most likely be made, but the only problem, or the bit not worked out yet, is to do with the drop. I like the idea of a personal courier, as long as the package is delivered to the house guard, he will deliver it to his master, no problem. You seem to have some super ideas, any idea about the drop? Really low tech and basic stuff. Knives are not a problem, axes are not a problem, but right now firearm is a bit of a trouble but still working on it.

Thanks a lot once again for the great ideas. Am trying to thank u but can't seem to find the damn button from y'day! :@
tha drop spot should be in an isolated place. like a field outside of town. u could do 1 of 3 things, but a decoy of urself will be necessary.

-u could A: persuade a random person to help u collect a ransom note, and u will give him a cut, all he has to do is go to tha field and collect tha money 4 u. make sure he thinks u will kill him if he tries to run with tha money. tell him this will be tha easiest money he ever made. offer him a tempting but realistic amount, but DO NOT TELL HIM HOW MUCH THA RANSOM IS. set a place to meet him. then when he goes to tha field. i would watch him carefully from a good distance (dont tell him u will be watching him) and see if tha police nab him or that guy sets him up. then he would get set up and u would still have tha son.

-since he tried to set u up, u could then re-call and tell them ur gonna smash his son's fingertips with a hammer, then pull his fingernails out with pliers, 1 by 1 (and let him hear his son scream into tha phone), and u will do 1 entire hand. u could tell him "its called chinese fingernail torture. His nails will grow back. But next time they cross u, u will chop his opposite hand off. That will not grow back." Speak in a menacing tone. This time it will be tricky. U SHOULD abandon tha plan at this point. but in case u decide to be persistent, tha only way i would go now is pay a fisherman or boat owner to cross a large lake or w/e and have him deliver u tha money alone. Tell tha rich bastard to give u an alternate phone number to contact u, and leave it in tha money case. Then tell tha rich bastard to give tha original prepaid phone u gave him to tha fisherman, and have him give tha fisherman a BRIGHT RED SHIRT to tie on an oar or a pole so u will know its him. Tell him u will call tha fisherman once he is in tha middle of tha lake to meet him at a place u will designate. u will NOT meet tha fisherman at that place, but instead intercept him once u identify him, in mid-water. then u make getaway as planned and once ur outta tha country and safe send tha rich bastard a text message with tha location of his son, and throw tha phone out in a public garbage can (or out tha window of tha bus if u can get away with it safely) and continue with ur getaway plan.

-if they actually give him tha money u could also see if he would be followed to a pre-set destination that u made ahead of time. theres a chance he might deviate and run with tha money. thats when u rob tha sucker. bag tha money, ditch tha original container for it. backpack is fine, or black garbage bags, or w/e.

-or u could B: go with tha fisherman drop idea tha entire time, but if they screw u there will be no backup after that. its safer than most plans i could think of. tha key is being unpredictable.

-or u could C: go with tha field plan and if tha random person u ask to unwittingly be ur decoy does not want to be involved, kidnap tha idiot and tell him u will kill his entire family in front of him and then u will torture him to a slow painful death if he does not cooperate w/ u or if he tells them that he was kidnapped u will burn his family alive. Then, if they nab him go w/ tha fisherman drop idea;

-for plan C: if they DONT nab him and actually give him tha money then u could tell tha unwitting victim to go get in a boat and use HIM for tha fisherman idea, but u need 2 make sure he has a phone on him to contact him. OR u could have him exchange tha money on tha public bus, then continue w ur getaway plan. make sure u look inconspicuous on tha bus, and get off at a busy bus stop in tha midst of a lot of passengers.

good luck. u will need it my friend. if this goes as planned, u will be 1 rich motherfucker, and could retire and lay low for a few years, with a luxury life.

EDIT: ALSO read tha post i made above about tha complication of duct tape and fingerprints. tha poster that suggested it was a bad idea is right, unless of course forensics will not happen in Bangladesh. This is only sumtn u will know. zip ties will work perfectly fine either way.

[NeoVerine]

yes, but they didn't fucking know that did they? that guys plan was floored when he left the house and the girl alone and just expected payment. that was stupid, who wouldn't call the bomb squad the moment he was gone?



just a couple of things here. DO NOT MEET THE COURIER OF THE RANSOM DEMAND AFTER THEY HAVE DELIVERED IT. it would only take a moment to open it and see what it was, they could easily catch him and he would drop you without even thinking about it when he realizes the situation you have put him in. also to show he isn't an accomplice to you. it would be unlikely to be him who came to meet you. or at least he wouldn't be alone.



don't use duct tape if you can help it. it is notorious for catching your fingerprint in the glue when you're taping up. handling tape without getting your fingers or palm on the sticky side is almost impossible. and even with gloves it will catch fibres which could catch you out later on. cable ties everytime. just remember what i told you about them before concerning dna.

actually, ideally use proper handcuffs.



Thanks for the post. Yeah the thing about the courier did occur to me too, would be silly to have any kind of face to face interaction with the courier. Maybe just have a package ready for him to deliver and phone him from a one-time-use phone and tell him to pick it up n deliver and he'll get a decent money for the job.

As for the duct tape, DAMN. I had NO idea about that. I was thinking of using the tape over the zip ties but now, guess I better change my mind. I wasn't aware the bloody sticky sides actually caught on ur prints. I've noticed it on the thin white tapes but just didn't think about the duct tape. Thanks for that eye opener dude.

[NeoVerine]

do u mean not to meet tha random guy u sent to deliver tha ransom note? u need to get tha phone number and signature confirming delivery to tha right place, if tha courier u send with tha ransom note is stupid and delivers a ransom note to tha wrong house, shit will hit tha fan real quick... it will be a total bust... u could just send tha courier one way (and tell him to meet u back for tha extra cash from delivery and then leave with no intention of paying him tha 2nd part of payment.) send tha courier with tha ransom note inside a package with a prepaid phone (make sure u put that phone's phone # in YOUR prepaid phone so u can call it) and follow tha plan i outlined.


since he lives in Bangladesh he said forensics are poor therr, so i was not too concerned with fingerprints in tha plan i made 4 him. but then again i do not know tha country well enough to say, he would have to make that judgement. i think duct tape is more secure in holding a person bound, but zip/cable ties will DEF do tha job. If hes concerned about fingerprints def go tha cable tie route, and he should wipe fingerprints off of everything he touches (including tha apartment he regularly stayed at, and tha phone he gave w tha ransom note). Personally i think tha plan is swift enough if u keep it simple like my plan outlined that even if they DO manage to get fingerprints/ID him thru DNA or w/e, that he will be long gone by then...


Thanks for the post. I think I'll keep both the zip ties and tape in stock, and use whichever seems better depending on the circumstances. Besides, maybe two layers of latex gloves (just being cautious) will also go a long way in keeping my prints off most things. What do you think?

As for the courier, i've not thought totally yet BUT its a toss up between calling the guy, or sending a note. Sending a note seems better as there's no direct communication between me n him (as in no vocal communication either).

What I was also thinking is that say once the note's been delivered, he'll get a call within the hour as someone mentioned, and then he'll have one hour to think, and IF the answer is no, maybe it'd be a good thing to send him a little reminder that I'm not pissing about. I was thinking of a few fingers but that'd be just cruel to the kid. I don't wanna harm him just for the sake of it. Is there a way to send a serious message? (you know, think back to the horse's head scene from the Godfather, or the wife's head from Se7en but that Se7en was like the ending bit so sending the head or a body part is a total no no right now). Just something to scare the shit out of the main man.

[NeoVerine]

tha drop spot should be in an isolated place. like a field outside of town. u could do 1 of 3 things, but a decoy of urself will be necessary.

-u could A: persuade a random person to help u collect a ransom note, and u will give him a cut, all he has to do is go to tha field and collect tha money 4 u. make sure he thinks u will kill him if he tries to run with tha money. tell him this will be tha easiest money he ever made. offer him a tempting but realistic amount, but DO NOT TELL HIM HOW MUCH THA RANSOM IS. set a place to meet him. then when he goes to tha field. i would watch him carefully from a good distance (dont tell him u will be watching him) and see if tha police nab him or that guy sets him up. then he would get set up and u would still have tha son.

-since he tried to set u up, u could then re-call and tell them ur gonna smash his son's fingertips with a hammer, then pull his fingernails out with pliers, 1 by 1 (and let him hear his son scream into tha phone), and u will do 1 entire hand. u could tell him "its called chinese fingernail torture. His nails will grow back. But next time they cross u, u will chop his opposite hand off. That will not grow back." Speak in a menacing tone. This time it will be tricky. U SHOULD abandon tha plan at this point. but in case u decide to be persistent, tha only way i would go now is pay a fisherman or boat owner to cross a large lake or w/e and have him deliver u tha money alone. Tell tha rich bastard to give u an alternate phone number to contact u, and leave it in tha money case. Then tell tha rich bastard to give tha original prepaid phone u gave him to tha fisherman, and have him give tha fisherman a BRIGHT RED SHIRT to tie on an oar or a pole so u will know its him. Tell him u will call tha fisherman once he is in tha middle of tha lake to meet him at a place u will designate. u will NOT meet tha fisherman at that place, but instead intercept him once u identify him, in mid-water. then u make getaway as planned and once ur outta tha country and safe send tha rich bastard a text message with tha location of his son, and throw tha phone out in a public garbage can (or out tha window of tha bus if u can get away with it safely) and continue with ur getaway plan.

-if they actually give him tha money u could also see if he would be followed to a pre-set destination that u made ahead of time. theres a chance he might deviate and run with tha money. thats when u rob tha sucker. bag tha money, ditch tha original container for it. backpack is fine, or black garbage bags, or w/e.

-or u could B: go with tha fisherman drop idea tha entire time, but if they screw u there will be no backup after that. its safer than most plans i could think of. tha key is being unpredictable.

-or u could C: go with tha field plan and if tha random person u ask to unwittingly be ur decoy does not want to be involved, kidnap tha idiot and tell him u will kill his entire family in front of him and then u will torture him to a slow painful death if he does not cooperate w/ u or if he tells them that he was kidnapped u will burn his family alive. Then, if they nab him go w/ tha fisherman drop idea;

-for plan C: if they DONT nab him and actually give him tha money then u could tell tha unwitting victim to go get in a boat and use HIM for tha fisherman idea, but u need 2 make sure he has a phone on him to contact him. OR u could have him exchange tha money on tha public bus, then continue w ur getaway plan. make sure u look inconspicuous on tha bus, and get off at a busy bus stop in tha midst of a lot of passengers.

good luck. u will need it my friend. if this goes as planned, u will be 1 rich motherfucker, and could retire and lay low for a few years, with a luxury life.

EDIT: ALSO read tha post i made above about tha complication of duct tape and fingerprints. tha poster that suggested it was a bad idea is right, unless of course forensics will not happen in Bangladesh. This is only sumtn u will know. zip ties will work perfectly fine either way.


Awesome post, thanks a lot buddy. Ok I like the field idea BUT I like the fisherman idea even better. I think, given my current circumstances, that has a better chance of succeeding. Ok am gonna read through the last few messages again and take it all in and try to think more clearly. Thanks a lot buddy, and yes, IF I can pull this off, am just laying low for a while and rebuilding my life in a new country for sure. Fingers crossed. One thing's for sure, even if I don't get to nab the son, I'll nab that main bastard n get something outta him. Either his life or his money, I win either way 'cos I have an old account with him. Also, the way I see it, even if, in the worst case scenario, he was to recognise me, he couldn't do too much IF I had his money. I'd just go some place and change all my details n never land my foot in this shithole of a country again.

[is all mememememe with me]

Thanks for the post. Yeah the thing about the courier did occur to me too, would be silly to have any kind of face to face interaction with the courier. Maybe just have a package ready for him to deliver and phone him from a one-time-use phone and tell him to pick it up n deliver and he'll get a decent money for the job.

As for the duct tape, DAMN. I had NO idea about that. I was thinking of using the tape over the zip ties but now, guess I better change my mind. I wasn't aware the bloody sticky sides actually caught on ur prints. I've noticed it on the thin white tapes but just didn't think about the duct tape. Thanks for that eye opener dude.

just use email and text msgs. a fucking courier is just another link to you that you really dont nee. even before mobile phones and internet ransoms weren't sent by courier. they would be phoned thru, or sent thru post.

prints on duct tape - yeah, its those little details that you never think of which are going to get you caught. using tape with latex gloves is an even worse idea. the latex will stick so fast to that tape that you will just rip chunks out of the gloves. thats not good, especially if you catch the second layer of glove as that will also leave a nice fresh print behind.

seriously tho mate, dont take offense to this, but this thread and what you're talking about is proper amateur hour. do you realize that professional gangs that have been in the business for years do this sort of thing and they fuck it up most of the time and get caught. this is easily way up in the top 5 of the most difficult crimes to pull off ever. very very few get away with it, and you don't even have the knowledge to pull off a simple house burglary.

best advice i can give you really is to forget about doing this for real. i guarantee it will only end in disaster for you.

as for 5 million bucks, fucking forget it. there's no way they would pay that. you would be lucky to get that if you kidnapped a member of a royal family or something. no kidnapper is stupid enough to even try and ask for such an amount and expect it paid. if you asked 50,000, you might just get it. 20/30,000 then you are likely to get him to just pay you off to avoid harm to his family. but 5 mil is just dreamland shit.

[tweakmode]

just use email and text msgs. a fucking courier is just another link to you that you really dont nee. even before mobile phones and internet ransoms weren't sent by courier. they would be phoned thru, or sent thru post.

prints on duct tape - yeah, its those little details that you never think of which are going to get you caught. using tape with latex gloves is an even worse idea. the latex will stick so fast to that tape that you will just rip chunks out of the gloves. thats not good, especially if you catch the second layer of glove as that will also leave a nice fresh print behind.

seriously tho mate, dont take offense to this, but this thread and what you're talking about is proper amateur hour. do you realize that professional gangs that have been in the business for years do this sort of thing and they fuck it up most of the time and get caught. this is easily way up in the top 5 of the most difficult crimes to pull off ever. very very few get away with it, and you don't even have the knowledge to pull off a simple house burglary.

best advice i can give you really is to forget about doing this for real. i guarantee it will only end in disaster for you.

as for 5 million bucks, fucking forget it. there's no way they would pay that. you would be lucky to get that if you kidnapped a member of a royal family or something. no kidnapper is stupid enough to even try and ask for such an amount and expect it paid. if you asked 50,000, you might just get it. 20/30,000 then you are likely to get him to just pay you off to avoid harm to his family. but 5 mil is just dreamland shit.
i lol'd at 'professional gangs'. And yeah, dont use ducktape if ur concerned bout prints. HOWEVER i must highly disagree with using email, cuz it is SOOOO easily tracked down. IP Addresses, MAC addresses, cross-linking tha IP Address combined with tha MAC address and tha ISP info and u got tha location of tha account maker when he made tha account. Cross reference that with digital footprints & "Cookies" and ppl that noticed u in that area as well as ur fingerprints all over tha place u started tha email at (and tha entire keyboard!!!) forget it. BAD BAD idea to use email. not that Bangladesh law enforcement is that smart, but where therrs a will therrs a way.

[is all mememememe with me]

i lol'd at 'professional gangs'. And yeah, dont use ducktape if ur concerned bout prints. HOWEVER i must highly disagree with using email, cuz it is SOOOO easily tracked down. IP Addresses, MAC addresses, cross-linking tha IP Address combined with tha MAC address and tha ISP info and u got tha location of tha account maker when he made tha account. Cross reference that with digital footprints & "Cookies" and ppl that noticed u in that area as well as ur fingerprints all over tha place u started tha email at (and tha entire keyboard!!!) forget it. BAD BAD idea to use email. not that Bangladesh law enforcement is that smart, but where therrs a will therrs a way.

i really wouldn't want to make assumptions in that area. for one assume that if technologically superior countries use it then they could acquire it somehow(or may have recently done so). especially if they deem it important enough(like solving a big crime against a rich important citizen). also consider the fact that they may acquire those techniques in future and use them to solve old cases. also extradition laws may have changed by then too, you really wouldn't want this to come back and bite you in the ass twenty years later. crime solving techniques progress very quickly these days and methods are shared the world over. i know for a fact that the royal navy work with bangladeshi forces to stop drug running and piracy along their coast so its not inconceivable to imagine their police forces lending each other a hand.

[tweakmode]

i really wouldn't want to make assumptions in that area. for one assume that if technologically superior countries use it then they could acquire it somehow(or may have recently done so). especially if they deem it important enough(like solving a big crime against a rich important citizen). also consider the fact that they may acquire those techniques in future and use them to solve old cases. also extradition laws may have changed by then too, you really wouldn't want this to come back and bite you in the ass twenty years later. crime solving techniques progress very quickly these days and methods are shared the world over. i know for a fact that the royal navy work with bangladeshi forces to stop drug running and piracy along their coast so its not inconceivable to imagine their police forces lending each other a hand.

im just goin on wut hes told us. Who knows? maybe they are just as capable of enforcement as tha officers over here in tha US. I kno personally that i would not use an email for a crime, its just asking to be traced back to u. and yeah i agree bout how it could come back 2 haunt u later on. Personally tho if i could rob a bank for lets say, 5 million, and get away with it for 20 years then they finally catch me, an i spend tha rest of my days in prison- id be 100% fine with that. Thats just me tho. Others may agree or disagree.

[is all mememememe with me]

I kno personally that i would not use an email for a crime, its just asking to be traced back to u.

well i wouldn't suggest using your home computer to do it. get a smart phone on a pay as you go tariff. be careful how you acquire it. just as easy to text, but whichever works for you.

and yeah i agree bout how it could come back 2 haunt u later on. Personally tho if i could rob a bank for lets say, 5 million, and get away with it for 20 years then they finally catch me, an i spend tha rest of my days in prison- id be 100% fine with that. Thats just me tho. Others may agree or disagree.

you may feel like that now. i can guarantee that you'll feel a lot different about it in 15/20 years from now(when it's a little too late to go back and change things). you would probably have met a wife and had children by then, so they would factor into the equation also.

[Tyler Durden]

1 million - all in 100's - is going to weigh over 100lbs. 14 million is going to weigh over a thousand. So, you are posing to him a very serious and real question.

What the hell are you talking about? A million in 100's = 22 lbs , hell a milly in 20s is only around 100lbs , I don't understand your math, have you ever held 10k, or 50k in 100s in your hands? With that being said OP said he was only going to ask for 4-5 mill , something he may pay, were supposed to be under the assumption the mark won't pay every penny since he loves his money so much or something. OP I really hope you don't douse them with gasoline like you said, unless you want your leverage to suffocate on the fumes, not to mention static would cause them to combust. Don't take your beef with their father out on these kids, that's about half retarded.

[NeoVerine]

just use email and text msgs. a fucking courier is just another link to you that you really dont nee. even before mobile phones and internet ransoms weren't sent by courier. they would be phoned thru, or sent thru post.

prints on duct tape - yeah, its those little details that you never think of which are going to get you caught. using tape with latex gloves is an even worse idea. the latex will stick so fast to that tape that you will just rip chunks out of the gloves. thats not good, especially if you catch the second layer of glove as that will also leave a nice fresh print behind.

seriously tho mate, dont take offense to this, but this thread and what you're talking about is proper amateur hour. do you realize that professional gangs that have been in the business for years do this sort of thing and they fuck it up most of the time and get caught. this is easily way up in the top 5 of the most difficult crimes to pull off ever. very very few get away with it, and you don't even have the knowledge to pull off a simple house burglary.

best advice i can give you really is to forget about doing this for real. i guarantee it will only end in disaster for you.

as for 5 million bucks, fucking forget it. there's no way they would pay that. you would be lucky to get that if you kidnapped a member of a royal family or something. no kidnapper is stupid enough to even try and ask for such an amount and expect it paid. if you asked 50,000, you might just get it. 20/30,000 then you are likely to get him to just pay you off to avoid harm to his family. but 5 mil is just dreamland shit.


Thanks for the message mememememe. I take no offence regarding what you said. If I allow my ego to get the better of me, i'll be 6ft under b4 I can enjoy life, and I have no intention of letting that happen. I just have to be rational and that's why I'm running these things thru all of you and getting all your inputs on it. I understand what you're saying and appreciate the good advice, you don't know me yet are trying to save my ass and that's a very kind gesture, but I also see how this country operates and the chance is there, I just need proper preparation.

Latex gloves are out, had no idea they were THAT bad. And email's out too. Just one time use phones most likely OR the courier, but as you said, the courier is a trail back to me so I'm pretty sure I'll be scrapping that idea for now too. Thanks once again mate, appreciate the advice.

[NeoVerine]

Also guys, on a quick note about the weight of the package. Notes here go up to a 1000. No one even bothers dealing with transactions over a thousand or two with notes smaller than 500. A bundle of 500 is about 6/10 of an inch thick and that makes 50k in local currency (100 notes of 500 basically). The weight of the package shouldn't be too big a problem. Maybe the size of a large sports holdall at most. I am saying this from experience as I've seen them stack up a minimum of 1.5 mil on a table. Yes, that's how fucken retarded or carefree these bastards are. They layout of a particular bank is SO stupid. At no point, a customer being served at the cashier is no more than 8-10 feet away from STACKS of money which are casually laid out on a table and in the latter hours of the day, you get 1 or 2 ppl sitting there putting it altogether in packages. I'm describing this so you guys can get a rough idea of how shitty the situation here really is. Sitting in the UK/US/Germany etc, u'd not even think of such things. The way these people handle cash is just sheer stupid and amazing that they've not been hit yet.

[tweakmode]

Also guys, on a quick note about the weight of the package. Notes here go up to a 1000. No one even bothers dealing with transactions over a thousand or two with notes smaller than 500. A bundle of 500 is about 6/10 of an inch thick and that makes 50k in local currency (100 notes of 500 basically). The weight of the package shouldn't be too big a problem. Maybe the size of a large sports holdall at most. I am saying this from experience as I've seen them stack up a minimum of 1.5 mil on a table. Yes, that's how fucken retarded or carefree these bastards are. They layout of a particular bank is SO stupid. At no point, a customer being served at the cashier is no more than 8-10 feet away from STACKS of money which are casually laid out on a table and in the latter hours of the day, you get 1 or 2 ppl sitting there putting it altogether in packages. I'm describing this so you guys can get a rough idea of how shitty the situation here really is. Sitting in the UK/US/Germany etc, u'd not even think of such things. The way these people handle cash is just sheer stupid and amazing that they've not been hit yet.
wow lol

[senshido]

If so PM me I may be interested

[Terrestrial Mass]

every detail is too perfect. now that we said the cash would be too heavy all of a sudden they only use 1000 dollar bills.. this emerging of perfect info at too right of times should show this is fake (if you didnt already realize that)

[tweakmode]

every detail is too perfect. now that we said the cash would be too heavy all of a sudden they only use 1000 dollar bills.. this emerging of perfect info at too right of times should show this is fake (if you didnt already realize that)

fake or not, i had fun with helping with realistic advice. I already got too much time on my hands so i saw no harm in replying to tha OP

[Terrestrial Mass]

^fair enough

[SnowmanJoe]

what game is this? :rofl:

[NeoVerine]

every detail is too perfect. now that we said the cash would be too heavy all of a sudden they only use 1000 dollar bills.. this emerging of perfect info at too right of times should show this is fake (if you
didnt already realize that)


lollll... you know, it's good to keep your eyes open n your brain working, but it's quite another story to jump to conclusions without knowing the full story. For starters, "now that we said the cash would be too heavy" THAT bit, is just not gonna fly. I've already had people kind enough to answer my question with seriousness, work out the mass and the possible size of the end package. And "1000 dollar bills"??? WHERE did you actually get that from buddy? please do show me where I wrote "1000 DOLLAR BILLS" 'cos that'll be a huge cock up on my part. The local currency runs into 1000 "taka" notes and yes, 1,000 taka is less than £10.

Fake you say? just 'cos your little mind can't comprehend a situation, doesn't make it fake by default amigo. :-)

[NeoVerine]

fake or not, i had fun with helping with realistic advice. I already got too much time on my hands so i saw no harm in replying to tha OP


Thank you Tweakmode, if and when the job is pulled, it's not like I'm going to come back here n brag about it like a school kid, lol. However, I really appreciate the great input which so many have contributed with, it really has not given me so many more perspectives on the situation and taught me to look at so many different things which I had no idea before.

When I first started asking, I was quite apprehensive that it'd be a stupid idea, but now I'm realising that I'm glad I did 'cos the views I got from most of you, have been mighty helpful.

Thanks to all those who took this seriously enough to help with useful replies.

It really HAS given me so many more perspectives... bollocks, lol, changed the whole meaning with the added "not"

[ilovechronic]

Thank you Tweakmode, if and when the job is pulled, it's not like I'm going to come back here n brag about it like a school kid, lol. However, I really appreciate the great input which so many have contributed with, it really has not given me so many more perspectives on the situation and taught me to look at so many different things which I had no idea before.

When I first started asking, I was quite apprehensive that it'd be a stupid idea, but now I'm realising that I'm glad I did 'cos the views I got from most of you, have been mighty helpful.

Thanks to all those who took this seriously enough to help with useful replies.
heh heh, job pulled.... yeah right kid, just keep dreaming before you get your ass killed.

[is all mememememe with me]

Thanks for the message mememememe. I take no offence regarding what you said. If I allow my ego to get the better of me, i'll be 6ft under b4 I can enjoy life, and I have no intention of letting that happen. I just have to be rational and that's why I'm running these things thru all of you and getting all your inputs on it. I understand what you're saying and appreciate the good advice, you don't know me yet are trying to save my ass and that's a very kind gesture, but I also see how this country operates and the chance is there, I just need proper preparation.

Latex gloves are out, had no idea they were THAT bad. And email's out too. Just one time use phones most likely OR the courier, but as you said, the courier is a trail back to me so I'm pretty sure I'll be scrapping that idea for now too. Thanks once again mate, appreciate the advice.

i wish you luck then.

btw, leather gloves are prob the best bet. you can always keep some latex in your pocket for if you need them at any point anyway. just remember that when you pull something like this, be very very very very very very very very very careful about disposing of anything you used(i.e latex gloves). items left behind is also known as evidence to cops. if you even smoke a cigarrette within a mile of the job, then afterward stubb it out and put it in your pocket till you get home. i know that sounds fucked up but its preferable to 20/30 years hard time surely? i think so anyway.

lollll... you know, it's good to keep your eyes open n your brain working, but it's quite another story to jump to conclusions without knowing the full story. For starters, "now that we said the cash would be too heavy" THAT bit, is just not gonna fly. I've already had people kind enough to answer my question with seriousness, work out the mass and the possible size of the end package. And "1000 dollar bills"??? WHERE did you actually get that from buddy? please do show me where I wrote "1000 DOLLAR BILLS" 'cos that'll be a huge cock up on my part. The local currency runs into 1000 "taka" notes and yes, 1,000 taka is less than £10.


didn't i hear that the US treasury stopped doing $1000 bills? or they're in some way limited or something. you should probably check up on that first.

[is all mememememe with me]

didn't i hear that the US treasury stopped doing $1000 bills? or they're in some way limited or something. you should probably check up on that first.

yes i did

The Federal Reserve began taking high-denomination bills out of circulation in 1969. As of May 30, 2009, there were only 336 known $10,000 bills in circulation; 342 remaining $5,000 bills; and 165,372 remaining $1,000 bills.[2] Due to their rarity, collectors will pay considerably more than the face value of the bills to acquire them.

For the most part, these bills were used by banks and the Federal Government for large financial transactions. This was especially true for gold certificates from 1865 to 1934. However, the introduction of the electronic money system has made large-scale cash transactions obsolete. When combined with concerns about counterfeiting and the use of cash in unlawful activities such as the illegal drug trade, it is unlikely that the U.S. government will re-issue large denomination currency in the near future, despite the amount of inflation that has occurred since 1969. According to the US Department of Treasury website, "The present denominations of our currency in production are $1, $2, $5, $10, $20, $50, and $100. Neither the Department of the Treasury nor the Federal Reserve System has any plans to change the denominations in use today."[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._thousand_dollar_bill

[endle$$]

for those who are saying a million dollar is about 100 pounds in 100's notes! that's wrong!

a million dollar in 100's notes is just under 22 pounds and about 10kg!

a 100 note weight about a gramm, 10'000x100 = 1'000'000
10'000 grams = 10kg!

[is all mememememe with me]

for those who are saying a million dollar is about 100 pounds in 100's notes! that's wrong!

a million dollar in 100's notes is just under 22 pounds and about 10kg!

a 100 note weight about a gramm, 10'000x100 = 1'000'000
10'000 grams = 10kg!

its not so much the weight, its the size and bulkiness of it.

especially 5 million(which the OP would never get anyway, but) that's a big heavy chunk to lug around, especially if you're in any kind of get away situation. most likely you'd be facing the option of abandoning it just to ensure you get away to face another day. pretty bitter pill to have to swallow that one.