Why deprive people the right?

[The Better Version]

First off I'm not gay in the least bit so this is coming from an observer rather than a participant. So I know the arguments as to why people don't want gay people to get married, but I'm having a hard time understanding why their arguments are even valid. I'm specifically attacking the argument most infamously phrased like this: "Because marriage is a sacred bond between two consenting heterosexual adults". I know what this means but I don't understand how it can be argued. In other words I'm asking people who believe this to state how this can be justified as to deprive other human beings the right to get married. How come gay people shouldn't be married? I mean I could understand peoples stance if they said something like "because gayness isn't right and we shouldn't encourage it" or just flat out saying "I just don't like gay people so this is my way of one upping them". You see these arguments have a justification behind it. The former argument has no justification...it seems more like a mantra to the anti gay protesters rather than something with validity. So it's a sacred bond....what rule says that it has to be between two heterosexuals? I'm asking this because I've heard a lot of people who aren't anti-gay yet they use this argument. I honestly couldn't think of any reason why someone would use this weak argument unless they really just didn't like gay people.

[Yggdrasil]

To be honest, I don't quite understand the marriage thing either. If a civil union can provide gays the same rights as a heterosexual marriage, what the fuck is the point of allowing gays to marry (If by marry we are referring to a religious union). Religious people don't like gays, and they've kept them down for 2000 years. Why the fuck would we even want to be involved with them? Of course, the conservative right will attempt to prevent civil unions from granting gay couples the same rights bestowed to heterosexual ones. In that case, gay marriage might just be useful.

[JustAnotherAsshole]

Because people like to make their beliefs law.

To be honest, I don't quite understand the marriage thing either. If a civil union can provide gays the same rights as a heterosexual marriage, what the fuck is the point of allowing gays to marry (If by marry we are referring to a religious union). Religious people don't like gays, and they've kept them down for 2000 years. Why the fuck would we even want to be involved with them? Of course, the conservative right will attempt to prevent civil unions from granting gay couples the same rights bestowed to heterosexual ones. In that case, gay marriage might just be useful.

They don't want to call it marriage, and somehow believe that Gay Marriage will lead to the breakdown of our society. Homosexuals want the same rights as Heterosexuals, without the new, made up names for them. I imagine straight people would be somewhat upset if somebody came in and said their marriage wasn't 'real', then proceeded to give them a civil union instead.

As for people hating on gay marriage, look up their reasons for it. If you can find the ones other than the open Bible-Thumpers, you'll find them saying things like "It will make traditional marriage seem pointless, so nobody will get married", or "If we grant homosexuals the right to marry, why not grant the right for people to marry animals or inanimate objects?", etc, etc.

Basically, things you have to try pretty hard to believe.

[Mantikore]

Marriage is something that is spiritual. I dont know why the government seeks to control it.

[1983]

I personal am against gay marriage if the church doesn't want to preform the ceremony as well as the term of calling it marriage then by all mean more power to them... But it seems they are forced by law and protest to do so against their free will... Doesn't add up to me.

As I see it all of our traditions and things we hold sacred be it ceremonies, Banquets, Religious beliefs, Holidays, Ect are being pushed out of the way all to accommodate other people that complain about it because it clashes with what they want.... Then what they want is shoved down our throats and we're forced to "tolerate" it.:mad:

If somethings been around for 100 or so years and someone takes offense... guess what.. That thing will be renamed, destroyed, or hidden from public view and I'm sick of catering to things that offend people be it domestic forin or abroad... It was here before you it's our history, Fuck off, Have a nice day.

In Canada it was passed a few years ago that if you call a homosexual a fagot, queer, cock sucker, ect it is now racism no matter what race they are... I didn't know your sexual preference was a race in its self...

I'm just sick of being forced to break my traditions and little by little their being hacked away by sheer stupidity just so you won't offend someone.

Al

[The Better Version]

Yet letting gay marriage co-exist with heterosexual marriage does not in any way shape or form break the tradition, unless you were talking about religious marriages which for most gays it probably wouldn't be like that. I see your point in forcing churches to break away from their beliefs to accommodate the ones they hate, but the gay rights issue isn't so much about that. Churches should and will probably continue to have that right not to marry people they dislike such as convicts, drug dealers, or gay people.

The issue at hand is the right for gay people to be married not necessarily to be married in churches or Mosks. I just can't possibly comprehend the issue with granting them the right to secular marriage. Would it break the tradition? Certain aspects, sure, but honestly.....who the fuck cares. What is marriage anyway? It's an official decree which states that two people are in bondage for life. It's a man made concept that in my opinion expresses little significance because whether you get married or not, if you still love that person you will continue to be with them for the rest of your life and if you think true love requires an official certificate with a mumbo jumbo ceremony then I think your highly disillusioned.

Now will I ever get married? Maybe but if I do its more or less to please the one I love not to please myself. Marriage is all bullshit anyway because most people will get divorced....which brings up a good point. Remember Henry the 8th? Prior to his establishment of the Anglican Church it was illegal to get divorced. I'm sure once he changed this there were a lot of people like you who complained and made the argument that it was breaking away from the tradition of marriage and furthermore completely invalidated the concept of bondage for life.

The point is, marriage like every facet in life, is evolutionary and it's a weak argument to suggest that it is more important to keep a tradition fabricated by man himself that will continue to change over time with or without your consent than to grant millions of people the same rights you and i have. Whether you like it or not gay people will be married in the same fashion because as stated before it is evolutionary and will continue to change as time progresses.....so my question to you now is, why even bother holding on to traditions if they always inevitably change? That's like trying to fight a black hole coming our way. No matter what it will happen, so instead of fighting for something which you have no control over, fight for something man can control.

Btw, they just announced that gay marriage is legal in Vermont. I really hope the Federal government doesn't make it a federal law to accept gay marriage. This as well as many other things should ALWAYS be a state right.

[ArmsMerchant]

BTW, a civil union is just as "real" as a church wedding. I have been married four times--two church thingies, and two civil things done by a circuit court judge in Winchester, Virginia. NO DIFFERENCE--exept the civil ones were cheaper and faster.

Here is the deal about marriage--the whole holy thing is bullshit--smoke and mirrors. Just absolute, fucking, egregious bullshit.

Marriage IS all about 1) making sure a guy's offspring are really his and 2) property rights (see 1).

Denying civil rights to gays is simply the worst kind of fear-based religious hysterical bigotry.

[The Better Version]

I second that.

[BiggLJ]

It's not normal. Before you say that that's no reason to ban it, remember that a lot of things are banned just because they're weird to us. Polygamous marriages are against the law. Incest is against the law. There's no valid reason to ban these, besides the fact that they're fucking disgusting, just like faggotry.

[The Better Version]

Normal is what is socially acceptable and gayness is socially acceptable to the large majority. I mean, you seem to be clearly anti-gay but can you honestly say that you're loud and proud about it? Maybe you are but I know a lot of my friends who are anti-gay who would never speak out because the majority around them disagree.

Incest is illegal not only because it's disgusting but also because it can actually induce harm to an incest born child. I still don't know why Polygamy is illegal, just as prostitution is...I guess you can't always have your way in a democratic republic.

[Raptor Ribs]

Fight! For your right! To PARTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTY!

[JustAnotherAsshole]

It's not normal. Before you say that that's no reason to ban it, remember that a lot of things are banned just because they're weird to us. Polygamous marriages are against the law. Incest is against the law. There's no valid reason to ban these, besides the fact that they're fucking disgusting, just like faggotry.

Polygamy is illegal because.. well, I assume women would call it sexist, and the Catholic Church condemns it (Which is a shitty reason when we're talking about the "New Secular Order" that we live in.). Other than that, I don't see why it's Illegal. Not very disgusting, either, LJ..

Incest is illegal because inbreeding is bad for the species, and makes retard-babies at a staggeringly higher rate than non-related parents and has a high rate of genetic diseases and physical defects in the offspring.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding#Results_of_inbreeding
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Faggotry is neither sexist, nor is it comparable to inbreeding, as there aren't even any offspring. Aside from it being against the Catholic Church (And plenty of others), and that it carries quite a stigma, I see no reason for it needing to be Illegal, and as long as Faggotry isn't Illegal, I fail to see the point of Fag-Marriage being Illegal.

Also, I suck cocks.

[PooPfish]

People want their religious beliefs forced upon others.

Obama doesn't support gay marriage, despite the belief that all liberals do.

I support gay marriage, but I have trouble supporting any kind of marriage seeing how unhappy it makes people and how high the divorce rate is.

[BiggLJ]

Normal is what is socially acceptable and gayness is socially acceptable to the large majority. I mean, you seem to be clearly anti-gay but can you honestly say that you're loud and proud about it? Maybe you are but I know a lot of my friends who are anti-gay who would never speak out because the majority around them disagree.

Incest is illegal not only because it's disgusting but also because it can actually induce harm to an incest born child. I still don't know why Polygamy is illegal, just as prostitution is...I guess you can't always have your way in a democratic republic.

If gayness was socially acceptable, people would vote to allow same sex marriage, but in the majority of the states that hasn't happened. Yes I can honestly say I'm loud and proud of it.

Incest is illegal even if the couple will not be having children (the man could have a vasectomy and it would still be illegal). Fags always say that marriage should be for everyone, not just those who can have children, so I dunno why this scenario would be any different.

Polygamy is illegal because.. well, I assume women would call it sexist, and the Catholic Church condemns it (Which is a shitty reason when we're talking about the "New Secular Order" that we live in.). Other than that, I don't see why it's Illegal. Not very disgusting, either, LJ..

Incest is illegal because inbreeding is bad for the species, and makes retard-babies at a staggeringly higher rate than non-related parents and has a high rate of genetic diseases and physical defects in the offspring.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding#Results_of_inbreeding
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Faggotry is neither sexist, nor is it comparable to inbreeding, as there aren't even any offspring. Aside from it being against the Catholic Church (And plenty of others), and that it carries quite a stigma, I see no reason for it needing to be Illegal, and as long as Faggotry isn't Illegal, I fail to see the point of Fag-Marriage being Illegal.

Know what else is bad for the species? NOT HAVING CHILDREN AT ALL. Sexism is a bullshit reason to ban polygamy, women can have more than one husband too so it's fair.

[JustAnotherAsshole]

Know what else is bad for the species? NOT HAVING CHILDREN AT ALL. Sexism is a bullshit reason to ban polygamy, women can have more than one husband too so it's fair.

I agree with you on Polygamy.

I disagree with your point on lack of children from Homosexual couples being bad for the species. Number one, there have been Homosexuals and people without children throughout the ages, and our population only continues to increase. Now, when Homosexuality is more open and tolerated than ever before, our population still rises.

I call bullshit on your point.

If anything, people need to have less kids.


Incest is illegal even if the couple will not be having children (the man could have a vasectomy and it would still be illegal). Fags always say that marriage should be for everyone, not just those who can have children, so I dunno why this scenario would be any different.

The only reason I'm against Incest (I mean, sure, I find it less than savory, but that's no reason to make it Illegal) is because it makes fucked up children that often live with a lower quality of life. If one of the pair is sterilized, then fuck it, let them go at it. As long as they don't produce any fucked up offspring.

[BiggLJ]

I agree with you on Polygamy.

I disagree with your point on lack of children from Homosexual couples being bad for the species. Number one, there have been Homosexuals and people without children throughout the ages, and our population only continues to increase. Now, when Homosexuality is more open and tolerated than ever before, our population still rises.

I call bullshit on your point.

If anything, people need to have less kids.



The only reason I'm against Incest (I mean, sure, I find it less than savory, but that's no reason to make it Illegal) is because it makes fucked up children that often live with a lower quality of life. If one of the pair is sterilized, then fuck it, let them go at it. As long as they don't produce any fucked up offspring.

So you're for incest as long as there are no kids. That's disgusting, but I expect no less from people like you.

[JustAnotherAsshole]

So you're for incest as long as there are no kids. That's disgusting, but I expect no less from people like you.

No, I'm not "For" it. I just don't care.

I don't give a fuck what two consenting adults do to each other in private, as long as they don't bring some child into the miserable existence of being retarded, physically disabled, diseased, etc, etc.

We all get one life, and as long as a person's actions don't fuck up another person's life, I have no business telling them how to spend it.

[The Better Version]

If gayness was socially acceptable, people would vote to allow same sex marriage, but in the majority of the states that hasn't happened. Yes I can honestly say I'm loud and proud of it.

Actually if gayness was socially acceptable, WHICH IT IS, then it would still take a considerable amount of time to get the law passed. You clearly don't understand the American Governmental system. It was the framers intent to establish a system in which evolutionary processes take place rather than revolutionary processes. This is because they want the most rational decisions to be amended, not quick and rash decisions. Therefore, the fact that only a few states made it legal doesn't mean that its not socially acceptable. If anything it's an indication that it is socially acceptable. Trust me, give it a few years and It will probably be legalized nation wide. These things called bills, take a while to be ratified because of the way our system works. I won't explain this, though, because it would take pages....just read a civics book and it will tell you everything you need to know.

[BiggLJ]

Actually if gayness was socially acceptable, WHICH IT IS, then it would still take a considerable amount of time to get the law passed. You clearly don't understand the American Governmental system. It was the framers intent to establish a system in which evolutionary processes take place rather than revolutionary processes. This is because they want the most rational decisions to be amended, not quick and rash decisions. Therefore, the fact that only a few states made it legal doesn't mean that its not socially acceptable. If anything it's an indication that it is socially acceptable. Trust me, give it a few years and It will probably be legalized nation wide. These things called bills, take a while to be ratified because of the way our system works. I won't explain this, though, because it would take pages....just read a civics book and it will tell you everything you need to know.

So the most liberal state in the nation just shot down gay marriage, yet you wanna consider it socially acceptable?

[The Better Version]

that and Massachusetts, Conn., and Iowa. Plus the people making these laws are not the people of the U.S....they are representatives of the people of the U.S, thus is the reason why we are a Democratic Republic instead of just a democracy. You can't necessarily base majority opinion of gay marriage based off of the number of states who are legalizing it. Those are the opinions of the representatives. You must look at the statistics of Americans in favor to get an idea of how socially acceptable it is, but even more important you must study the trend of that percentage based on change over time. If it is increasing which it is then its logical to conclude that it is becoming more socially acceptable, although I will give you this that only 41 percent of Americans are in favor of it so at the moment more people support the prohibition. So you won the core of the argument...I can take a hit.

However, in spite of this the the percentage of Americans in support of this has increased and given the fact that more and more states are beginning to reconsider this law to be amended, gives us a pretty good idea of where all of this is heading. Same with marijuana laws. 12 states decriminalized it, 17 have recognized its medical uses, and Maryland protects MM patients from prison. Like Marijuana laws, it's a slow process but eventually we'll reach the tipping point and it will probably become a federal law once enough states legalize it.

[Revvy]

Because they're faggots, quite simply.

[Uriah Heep]

The reason homosexual marriage is not alowed is because the people who are in power of these countries are religious, or they say they are. This happens in america especially, because a large majority of america is religious, and in order for politicians to make it, they gotta give the people what they want to see.

[JustAnotherAsshole]

The reason homosexual marriage is not alowed is because the people who are in power of these countries are religious, or they say they are. This happens in america especially, because a large majority of america is religious, and in order for politicians to make it, they gotta give the people what they want to see.

It's changing as more and more judges decide to get over the stupid bullshit and see these bans for what they are, which is Unconstitutional.

[Yggdrasil]

No, I'm not "For" it. I just don't care.

I don't give a fuck what two consenting adults do to each other in private, as long as they don't bring some child into the miserable existence of being retarded, physically disabled, diseased, etc, etc.

We all get one life, and as long as a person's actions don't fuck up another person's life, I have no business telling them how to spend it.

How then do you feel about gays raising children, be they adopted or in-vitro fertilized?

[crazzyass]

There's a lot of things people think are "disgusting" or don't enjoy. That isn't a legitamite reason to illegalize it.


I mentioned this in another thread and I'm still trying to find the link, but according to a study, 80% of straight homophobes responded with moderate to strong sexual arousal at homosexual images, while nonhomophobic straight males showed arousal at a percentage of only 30%.


So I'd be watching who you call a faggot, faggot.

[crazzyass]

How then do you feel about gays raising children, be they adopted or in-vitro fertilized?

As long as they fit to be parents, let em at it.

[JustAnotherAsshole]

How then do you feel about gays raising children, be they adopted or in-vitro fertilized?

If a single mother or father can raise a child that turns out fine (Even though, my god, the child lacks either a male or a female role model!), then I see no reason why a pair of Mothers or Fathers cannot do the same.

Also, if anybody would like to challenge this, I'd request proof that the children raised by Homosexuals turn out messed up, as failures, etc, etc.

[Rocko]

Because people think the rest of the world should be subject to their prejudices.

[Rainycity]

your gay plain and simple

[Fightgar]

How anyone can allow the government to decide who churches can marry is a mystery to me.

[Yggdrasil]

How anyone can allow the government to decide who churches can marry is a mystery to me.

It's not the religious aspect of the ceremony that the gay community cares about (in fact, much of the gay population is irreligious), it's about the rights and marriages that a legally binding marriage brings to the partners.

[Thought Riot]

-stop calling what the government does marriage. Call it something else.
-Let everyone marry, who cares to who?
-Let individual churchs/religions choose who or who not to marry (they do have the right to choose associations [msp?])
->The religious folks can ban the gays from their ceremonies if they want.
-->The gays can't bitch at the churchs to marry them; it's the church's right to refuse them.

[Nightshade]

Many conservatives have a big beef about same sex marriage, I am one of those conservatives that don't see the problem with it. Maybe because I don't attach any such moral code to marriage. If you love the person and want to be with him/her forever then who am I to deny them that affirmation of their relationship.

But the tide is turning, adept slowly, towards acceptance of same sex marriage. Eventually it will come to the point where people who oppose same sex marriage will be in the minority.

Marriage has always been a religious ceremony since written history, and probably long before that. I am sure the caveman shamans bound people together in some sort of ceremony/pact for the benefit and stability of the tribe. so in that aspect I think the state needs to get out of the whole marriage thing. Leave it up to the religion to decide who they deem acceptable to marry or not to marry, with society holding religion accountable for their actions.

The state can create legal documents, or amend current ones can decide all the "legal" aspects of marriage such as property, inheritance, chain of custody for children (if any), etc., without the need for a marriage certificate. It really wouldn't be that hard to do since a lot of these documents exist in some form already.

So yeah, I see no reason for the state to be involved in marriage in the first place.

[Syphilis]

Well, marriage was created for a man and a woman, and there is no obligation to change that with the times. It might be old fashioned, and it may be unfair, but life isn't fair, so you're just going to have to deal with it until someone in power thinks otherwise.

[Crackpot Pyschologist]

Eventually it will come to the point where people who oppose same sex marriage will be in the minority.



Like racism! oh wait...people just hide it better, ever since it was deemed "politically IN correct"

[P_R_Deltoid]

Incest is illegal because inbreeding is bad for the species, and makes retard-babies at a staggeringly higher rate than non-related parents and has a high rate of genetic diseases and physical defects in the offspring.



Didn't realize non-offspring producing faggots were good for a species...

[puzld]

Gay marriage, along with public education, is all about destroying the traditional family. The only real purpose of marriage is to provide a stable environment for raising children, and procreation is impossible among homosexual people, barring technological advances.

[freeRadical]

Because I don't believe homosexuality in humans is natural. And before people start spouting, "but other animals in nature are homosexual too", first, show me proof, and second, I bet they can still reproduce. Human beings are meant to be heterosexuals because that is what allows us to procreate. And, despite what many say and believe, the whole point of sex is continuation of the species. If everyone was gay, the human race would die out.

Also, I don't give a shit about marriage. Marriage is an religious institution. It in not a right guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States.

[P_R_Deltoid]

Because I don't believe homosexuality in humans is natural. And before people start spouting, "but other animals in nature are homosexual too", first, show me proof, and second, I bet they can still reproduce. Human beings are meant to be heterosexuals because that is what allows us to procreate. And, despite what many say and believe, the whole point of sex is continuation of the species. If everyone was gay, the human race would die out.

Also, I don't give a shit about marriage. Marriage is an religious institution. It in not a right guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States.

True, there are no animals that are completely homosexual, they just engage in homosexual acts, and usually only when a heterosexual partner has yet to be found (not willing to look up the exact species, but I've read that a certain monkey roams in packs of males when they are younger, and perform fellatio on each other)

Although I've heard a lot of anecdotal evidence about a rare occurrence of animal homosexuality, but considering we remove the testicles of about every animal, it isn't TOO surprising, is it?

[LostCause]

The problem is not even straight people know hat the point of marriage is anymore. Its a made up binding ceremony that involves some paperwork to make it legally binding. Its been used for all kinds of things, to bring together two families, to get rid of unwanted sisters, land, goats, love, children, green cards, etc... Its not a spiritual thing unless you make it a spiritual thing.

Frankly, I don't even see why gays want to be able to get married so bad if civil unions were the same thing. But, the bottom line is a church and state issue. If its a church thing then the government needs to stop giving special rights to married couples and it has to be dependant on the church you seek whether or not they'll marry you. If they don't support gays then you can't be married by them! But, if its a governmental thing then it shouldn't matter if gay people get married because its not against democracy to be gay!

Bam.

Cheers,
Lost

[KeYLoW]

I personal am against gay marriage if the church doesn't want to preform the ceremony as well as the term of calling it marriage then by all mean more power to them... But it seems they are forced by law and protest to do so against their free will... Doesn't add up to me.

As I see it all of our traditions and things we hold sacred be it ceremonies, Banquets, Religious beliefs, Holidays, Ect are being pushed out of the way all to accommodate other people that complain about it because it clashes with what they want.... Then what they want is shoved down our throats and we're forced to "tolerate" it.:mad:

If somethings been around for 100 or so years and someone takes offense... guess what.. That thing will be renamed, destroyed, or hidden from public view and I'm sick of catering to things that offend people be it domestic forin or abroad... It was here before you it's our history, Fuck off, Have a nice day.
Same sex marriage isn't affecting your tradition of marriage in any way. They're not forcing you to change a thing, they just want to be able to get married. You don't have to go to the fucking wedding ceremony.

Believe what you want that doesn't mean it should fuck over someone who believes differently.

In Canada it was passed a few years ago that if you call a homosexual a fagot, queer, cock sucker, ect it is now racism no matter what race they are... I didn't know your sexual preference was a race in its self...Its not racism its prejudice. If they're calling it racism then they're wrong, but its pretty much the same concept.

I'm just sick of being forced to break my traditions and little by little their being hacked away by sheer stupidity just so you won't offend someone.I know you're the victim even though same sex unions don't affect you or infringe on your civil rights in any way.

[BiggLJ]

Two men being together is disgusting. Why should we normal humans be forced to put up with that shit? There are more of us therefore we should be the ones who dictate what's allowed and what isn't.

[freeRadical]

However, two women together is not only hot but natural. Ladies, don't let anybody tell you different.:D
Two men being together is disgusting. Why should we normal humans be forced to put up with that shit? There are more of us therefore we should be the ones who dictate what's allowed and what isn't.

[KeYLoW]

Because I don't believe homosexuality in humans is natural. And before people start spouting, "but other animals in nature are homosexual too", first, show me proof, and second, I bet they can still reproduce. Human beings are meant to be heterosexuals because that is what allows us to procreate. And, despite what many say and believe, the whole point of sex is continuation of the species. If everyone was gay, the human race would die out.

Also, I don't give a shit about marriage. Marriage is an religious institution. It in not a right guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States.People have a lot of different opinions about what is "natural" in our society.

"I don't think its natural." Is not a good argument for banning gay marriage.

Some people used to think(and some still do) that interracial marriage was unnatural 30+ years ago. Now its legal in every state.

[KeYLoW]

Two men being together is disgusting. Why should we normal humans be forced to put up with that shit? There are more of us therefore we should be the ones who dictate what's allowed and what isn't.Spoken like a true piece of shit.

[freeRadical]

Maybe you didn't get what I meant by natural. As in, nature meant for it to be that way. If nature meant for us to be homosexual, then it would have provide us with a way to reproduce homosexually. And, since it hasn't, it can only be assumed that we are meant to be heterosexual.
People have a lot of different opinions about what is "natural" in our society.

"I don't think its natural." Is not a good argument for banning gay marriage.

Some people used to think(and some still do) that interracial marriage was unnatural 30+ years ago. Now its legal in every state.

[KeYLoW]

Maybe you didn't get what I meant by natural. As in, nature meant for it to be that way. If nature meant for us to be homosexual, then it would have provide us with a way to reproduce homosexually. And, since it hasn't, it can only be assumed that we are meant to be heterosexual.Okay then.

You came into a thread with the title "Why deprive people the right?" and said that its not natural. I just assumed that was some kind of argument against same sex marriage.

EDIT - Because I don't believe homosexuality in humans is natural. Looking back I see that it was what I thought it was.

You're mistaken. I understand what you mean by natural.

[freeRadical]

I guess you could construe it as an argument against same-sex marriage since it is an argument against homosexuality.

Okay then.

You came into a thread with the title "Why deprive people the right?" and said that its not natural. I just assumed that was some kind of argument against same sex marriage.

[KeYLoW]

I guess you could construe it as an argument against same-sex marriage since it is an argument against homosexuality.I could construe it as an argument against same sex marriage because your response to the OP asking "why deny same sex couples the right to marry?" was Because I don't believe homosexuality in humans is natural.

[BiggLJ]

However, two women together is not only hot but natural. Ladies, don't let anybody tell you different.:D

I left out women because men and women are very different when it comes to sexuality. If you're a man, you're either straight, or a faggot. There is no in between. Women, however, are more emotional and can feel attraction to someone much more easily, therefore they sometimes become attracted to the same sex. This is fine because although almost all women are bisexual, they also realize that they need a man in their life to be complete, so their bisexuality does not stop them from living a normal, productive life.

Unfortunately, there are the few women who turn into total dykes (due to being hideous and unable to find a man). At this point they typically start getting crew cuts and wearing spiked collars. They also try to brainwash normal women into thinking they too are lesbians. Ellen Degenerate is a good example of this. I find these true dykes to be just as repulsive as faggots, and they deserve the same punishment.

[freeRadical]

If the government sponsored same sex marriage, then the are actually say that they believe homosexuality in humans is natural, which it isn't, and are promoting the extinction of the species.
I could construe it as an argument against same sex marriage because your response to the OP asking "why deny same sex couples the right to marry?" was

[KeYLoW]

If the government sponsored same sex marriage, then the are actually say that they believe homosexuality in humans is natural, which it isn't, and are promoting the extinction of the species.So your argument is that homosexuals are endangering the human race because they can't reproduce?

Should we just deny everyone who can't reproduce the right to marry? It can be like an ancient Sparta thing where we leave the crippled babies on a mountain so they can get eaten by wolves.

[freeRadical]

Sounds like a plan to me.
So your argument is that homosexuals are endangering the human race because they can't reproduce?

Should we just deny everyone who can't reproduce the right to marry? It can be like an ancient Sparta thing where we leave the crippled babies on a mountain so they can get eaten by wolves.

[KeYLoW]

Sounds like a plan to me.You can't make any kind of logical claim that homosexuals affect you directly so you're saying they're a danger to the future of the human race or to society. Its bullshit.

I wish everyone who opposes same sex marriage would come out and say what they feel instead of spouting off about how homosexuals are dooming traditions and endangering the species. You don't like it. It probably disgusts you for a variety of reasons. The same was true for interracial marriage and black integration in the 60's, but integration affected you far more then gay marriage ever could.

Same sex marriage doesn't affect you and your lifestyle in any way, but in your mind they shouldn't be allowed to get married because you just don't like it.

[BiggLJ]

I wish everyone who opposes same sex marriage would come out and say what they feel instead of spouting off about how homosexuals are dooming traditions and endangering the species.

You wish people would say what they feel, then when someone actually does, you call them a piece of shit?

[KeYLoW]

You wish people would say what they feel, then when someone actually does, you call them a piece of shit?Yeah dumbass.

It makes it easier to identify the pieces of shit.

Honestly I don't give a fuck what anyone thinks about homosexuals. I just don't think that anybodies morals or religion should fuck over another. It might be the majority but that doesn't mean they should have control over a minority whose lifestyle isn't hurting anyone else.

[BiggLJ]

Yeah dumbass.

It makes it easier to identify the pieces of shit.

It's ignorant fucks like you that are ruining this planet.

[KeYLoW]

It's ignorant fucks like you that are ruining this planet.Those are big words coming from a piece of shit like yourself.


Two men being together is disgusting. Why should we normal humans be forced to put up with that shit? There are more of us therefore we should be the ones who dictate what's allowed and what isn't. Yeah, I'm the ignorant one.

You're an idiot. You think that because you don't like the lifestyle of another human being who is not harming you or anybody else you should be able to dictate the way they live their lives. I don't know what you're putting up with. You don't have to do a damn thing except shut your bigot mouth.

You're a fucking closet fag.

[BiggLJ]

Those are big words coming from a piece of shit like yourself.

Piece of shit huh? I guess it's better than being a useless freak.

[KeYLoW]

Alright I'm done name-calling like an 8 year old. If you want to reply with something besides an insult then go ahead if not I'm just going to ignore it.

[Yggdrasil]

Piece of shit huh? I guess it's better than being a useless freak.

I see you're only retorting his insults, not his actual statements. Ran out of shit to feed the fire with?

[BiggLJ]

You're an idiot. You think that because you don't like the lifestyle of another human being who is not harming you or anybody else you should be able to dictate the way they live their lives. I don't know what you're putting up with. You don't have to do a damn thing except shut your bigot mouth.

You're a fucking closet fag.

Why the fuck shouldn't straights dictate what can go on in our country? If the minority doesn't like it, they can get the fuck out. There are plenty of places that allow fag marriage, go there instead of bothering decent humans who are just trying to live their lives and contribute to humanity.

[Yggdrasil]

Why the fuck shouldn't straights dictate what can go on in our country? If the minority doesn't like it, they can get the fuck out. There are plenty of places that allow fag marriage, go there instead of bothering decent humans who are just trying to live their lives and contribute to humanity.

You're disavowing the principles upon which our country was founded on. If you don't like it, as is oft quoted, gtfo :mad:

[BiggLJ]

You're disavowing the principles upon which our country was founded on. If you don't like it, as is oft quoted, gtfo :mad:

The principles this country was founded on? Like racism and sexism?

[KeYLoW]

Why the fuck shouldn't straights dictate what can go on in our country? If the minority doesn't like it, they can get the fuck out. There are plenty of places that allow fag marriage, go there instead of bothering decent humans who are just trying to live their lives and contribute to humanity.In this country there is supposed to be equality. Its not your country anymore than it is my country.

What so homosexuals aren't "just trying to live their lives and contribute to humanity?" Why so much hostility towards homosexuals? All this hostility over someones sexuality. How are you contributing any more then they are?

What did a homosexual kill your brother? I don't get it. You come off as so angry towards a group of people that aren't harming you in any way. They're not trying to push their lifestyle on you they just want to get married.

[Syphilis]

Because I don't believe homosexuality in humans is natural. And before people start spouting, "but other animals in nature are homosexual too", first, show me proof, and second, I bet they can still reproduce.

Exactly, it's unnatural in every species. When 90% of the population is straight, and 10% gay, the 10% are unnatural. It's simple statistics.

Human beings are meant to be heterosexuals because that is what allows us to procreate. And, despite what many say and believe, the whole point of sex is continuation of the species. If everyone was gay, the human race would die out.

Thank you.

Also, I don't give a shit about marriage. Marriage is an religious institution. It in not a right guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States.

Exactly. It's traditionally for men and women, we don't need to change things now. It doesn't matter if you think it's right or wrong, all that matters is that it was created for men and women, and there is no obligation to change things.

Jolly good words, chap.

[BiggLJ]

In this country there is supposed to be equality. Its not your country anymore than it is my country.

What so homosexuals aren't "just trying to live their lives and contribute to humanity?" Why so much hostility towards homosexuals? All this hostility over someones sexuality. How are you contributing any more then they are?

What did a homosexual kill your brother? I don't get it. You come off as so angry towards a group of people that aren't harming you in any way. They're not trying to push their lifestyle on you they just want to get married.

Equality is a myth and it always has been. Grow up.

Homos can't contribute to humanity. They do nothing for the species. I have no hostility towards faggots, it just annoys me when they whine about their "rights" and throw parades. Keep the freaks in the closet and I'd have no problem with them.

[Yggdrasil]

Equality is a myth and it always has been. Grow up.

Homos can't contribute to humanity. They do nothing for the species. I have no hostility towards faggots, it just annoys me when they whine about their "rights" and throw parades. Keep the freaks in the closet and I'd have no problem with them.

What the fuck are you going on about when you say contribute. You mean reproduce? Get real. Your useless ass won't get 1% of what homosexuals like Alexander the Great contributed to humanity, and if you think you're better than him because you can stuff your whore of a girlfriend and make her plop babies out of her vagina like a cannon then you're fucked in the head. And gays can reproduce biologically through things like surrogate mothers. The last thing this planet needs are more children. What the fuck do you mean they don't contribute?

[Crackpot Pyschologist]

There are more of us therefore we should be the ones who dictate what's allowed and what isn't.

FUCK you. If i weren't such a peaceful guy id be fantasizing about slitting your fucking throat.

[BiggLJ]

What the fuck are you going on about when you say contribute. You mean reproduce? Get real. Your useless ass won't get 1% of what homosexuals like Alexander the Great contributed to humanity, and if you think you're better than him because you can stuff your whore of a girlfriend and make her plop babies out of her vagina like a cannon then you're fucked in the head. And gays can reproduce biologically through things like surrogate mothers. The last thing this planet needs are more children. What the fuck do you mean they don't contribute?

Aww look, Fagdrasil saw one movie now he's a fucking historian. There's no proof of Alexander the Great being gay. Gays don't have sex with the opposite gender, which means no reproduction, which means they're useless to the world.

[KeYLoW]

Equality is a myth and it always has been. Grow up.
In the United States we all have equality under the law. That is not a myth. You are no better then anyone else and your beliefs don't take priority over anyone else.

Homos can't contribute to humanity. They do nothing for the species. I have no hostility towards faggots, it just annoys me when they whine about their "rights" and throw parades. Keep the freaks in the closet and I'd have no problem with them.Not every heterosexual reproduces either, but they can still be productive members of society. Why is it any different for homosexuals? Just because you can pop out a baby doesn't make you special. Our species is reproducing more than enough to sustain us. We're not in any danger of going extinct nobody has to "contribute" for the species to survive.

You don't have to attend their parades or even watch them. These people aren't trying to force their lifestyle down your throat, but I can't say the same for what you're doing. They have every right to have a parade and it won't hurt you.

You say they're whining? You're complaining about a fucking parade. I think "rights" are more important than that.

[Yggdrasil]

Aww look, Fagdrasil saw one movie now he's a fucking historian. There's no proof of Alexander the Great being gay. Gays don't have sex with the opposite gender, which means no reproduction, which means they're useless to the world.

So by the same logic, a virgin fuck such as yourself is useless to society as well, no?

Anyhow, you are kidding. FUCKING kidding. Everyone that knows shit of Alexander the Great knows his closest companion, lifelong friend and lover was Hephaestion. Their tutor Aristotle called them 1 soul in two bodies, they would sometimes sleep together, and often, Alexander referred to Hephaestion as Alexander (the whole 2 in 1 thing). Alexander went into a maddened, traumatic depression upon his death, one which would not break until Alexander died in a drunken stupor. He had a child with Roxanne under pressure to produce an heir, one which was murdered shortly after Alexander's death, thus he left no children.

[BiggLJ]

In the United States we all have equality under the law. That is not a myth. You are no better then anyone else and your beliefs don't take priority over anyone else.

Don't give me that equality under the law bullshit. The rich are treated much differently than the poor in terms of what they can and can't get away with. If you think everyone is treated equally you are fucking naive.

Not every heterosexual reproduces either, but they can still be productive members of society. Why is it any different for homosexuals? Just because you can pop out a baby doesn't make you special. Our species is reproducing more than enough to sustain us. We're not in any danger of going extinct nobody has to "contribute" for the species to survive.

You don't have to attend their parades or even watch them. These people aren't trying to force their lifestyle down your throat, but I can't say the same for what you're doing. They have every right to have a parade and it won't hurt you.

You say they're whining? You're complaining about a fucking parade. I think "rights" are more important than that.

A straight that doesn't reproduce is just as useless as a queer, however it's not like you're able to identify which straights have had kids, so you wouldn't even be able to figure out who to treat differently.

Freaks are always trying to force themselves into society, do you even watch the fucking news? Do you live in the middle of nowhere? Turn on the TV...fags whining about getting married. Drive down the wrong street...a million freaks protesting something. People vote down same sex marriage...a hundred lawsuits wasting the court's time. It never stops. They're a constant annoyance.

Anyhow, you are kidding. FUCKING kidding. Everyone that knows shit of Alexander the Great knows his closest companion, lifelong friend and lover was Hephaestion. Their tutor Aristotle called them 1 soul in two bodies, they would sometimes sleep together, and often, Alexander referred to Hephaestion as Alexander (the whole 2 in 1 thing). Alexander went into a maddened, traumatic depression upon his death, one which would not break until Alexander died in a drunken stupor. He had a child with Roxanne under pressure to produce an heir, one which was murdered shortly after Alexander's death, thus he left no children.

You're seeing only what you want to see. Alexander had a child with a woman. He may have been a very close friend to Hephaestion, but there is no evidence to suggest that they were anything more. Start looking at the facts instead of putting your own spin on history.

[freeRadical]

Wow, has this turned into a bitch fest. But I digress. Onto my post. There you go putting words in my mouth. All I said is homosexuality isn't natural, I never said that I directly oppose it. I don't give a fuck what two faggots in California do. The title of this thread is "Why deprive people a right?" I merely commented that marriage is not a right guaranteed by the US Constitution seeing as it as a religious institution. In conclusion, marriage is not right, is a religious institution, and the government shouldn't get fucking involved.

BTW, you keep talking about the majority pushing its beliefs on the minority but it seems to me in this case that the minority is pushing their beliefs on the majority. Like I said, the majority of the people in this country do not support same-sex marriage. That's why those fucking liberal faggots have to get the government involved. And they did. And you know what happened? The people of California voted it down. So now they are going to try to skirt around the will of the people by going to the Supreme Court. That is how liberals push their fucking agenda on the public. The majority of the people in this country do not back liberal ideals and the only way they can get anything done is judicially and not democratically.

Thank you. That is all. Peace out yall. I'm outta here.
You can't make any kind of logical claim that homosexuals affect you directly so you're saying they're a danger to the future of the human race or to society. Its bullshit.

I wish everyone who opposes same sex marriage would come out and say what they feel instead of spouting off about how homosexuals are dooming traditions and endangering the species. You don't like it. It probably disgusts you for a variety of reasons. The same was true for interracial marriage and black integration in the 60's, but integration affected you far more then gay marriage ever could.

Same sex marriage doesn't affect you and your lifestyle in any way, but in your mind they shouldn't be allowed to get married because you just don't like it.

[KeYLoW]

Don't give me that equality under the law bullshit. The rich are treated much differently than the poor in terms of what they can and can't get away with. If you think everyone is treated equally you are fucking naive.Yeah, I know you don't want to hear that whole Fourteenth Amendment shit that says that no state should deny anyone equal protection from the laws. I never said that I think everyone is treated equally. If they were we wouldn't be having this discussion. What I think is that in the United States we are guaranteed under the Fourteenth Amendment that we are equal under the law.

A straight that doesn't reproduce is just as useless as a queer, however it's not like you're able to identify which straights have had kids, so you wouldn't even be able to figure out who to treat differently.Why the fuck do you think the value of a person is measured by how well they can make kids? We're not becoming endangered with the way things are going now.

Freaks are always trying to force themselves into society, do you even watch the fucking news? What the fuck makes you so normal? Societal norms constantly change. Yeah I watch the news and keep up with current events, I haven't seen anything about queers doing home invasions and forcing you to watch the news. Shit happens in the world and the news talks about it. That's how it works. I don't know why you think this is such an inconvenience.

Do you live in the middle of nowhere? Turn on the TV...fags whining about getting married.How about this: change the fucking channel genius. You don't have to watch it. Its sure as hell not on every channel and its not getting near as much coverage as everything else that's going on.

Drive down the wrong street...a million freaks protesting something. People vote down same sex marriage...a hundred lawsuits wasting the court's time. It never stops. They're a constant annoyance.So drive away. What the fuck is so hard about this? Poor you had to witness a protest and possibly get mildly inconvenienced. You know gays aren't the only ones protesting.

What do the lawsuits do to you? We have a court system for a reason.

You're not some kind of victim here.

[Syphilis]

Be gay all you want, just don't parade it around by dressing in drag. That's why people discriminate against gay people.

[BiggLJ]

Yeah, I know you don't want to hear that whole Fourteenth Amendment shit that says that no state should deny anyone equal protection from the laws. I never said that I think everyone is treated equally. If they were we wouldn't be having this discussion. What I think is that in the United States we are guaranteed under the Fourteenth Amendment that we are equal under the law.

The Constitution is a cluster fuck of uselessness. Its been changed so many times it's ridiculous to go by it at this point.

Why the fuck do you think the value of a person is measured by how well they can make kids? We're not becoming endangered with the way things are going now.

If an animal does not reproduce, its line dies out. Reproduction is hard wired in every animals brain for a reason. It doesn't matter whether the species is endangered or not, an animal that shuns reproduction (like a queer) is defective and useless to its species.

What the fuck makes you so normal? Societal norms constantly change. Yeah I watch the news and keep up with current events, I haven't seen anything about queers doing home invasions and forcing you to watch the news. Shit happens in the world and the news talks about it. That's how it works. I don't know why you think this is such an inconvenience.

Right now, I fall into the societal norm. Therefore, I am normal. It doesn't matter what the societal norm could be, because I live in the real world right now, not hypothetical land.

How about this: change the fucking channel genius. You don't have to watch it. Its sure as hell not on every channel and its not getting near as much coverage as everything else that's going on.

I won't know it's on until the news reports it. Sure I can change the channel, but by then I've already been subjected to the disgust of having to hear about faggots, and that's unacceptable.

So drive away. What the fuck is so hard about this? Poor you had to witness a protest and possibly get mildly inconvenienced. You know gays aren't the only ones protesting.

Yeah, it's not like blocking a fucking street is gonna be an inconvenience towards anyone. It's not like real humans have places to go and may actually have to drive down that road that's being blocked by a bunch of freaks.

What do the lawsuits do to you? We have a court system for a reason.

They waste my country's time. There are plenty of legit lawsuits out there that will take three years to complete just because stupid faggots waste the court's time with petty bullshit.

[ants in my poptarts]

The Constitution is a cluster fuck of uselessness. Its been changed so many times it's ridiculous to go by it at this point.

You do realize that the entire government goes by it right?

If an animal does not reproduce, its line dies out. Reproduction is hard wired in every animals brain for a reason. It doesn't matter whether the species is endangered or not, an animal that shuns reproduction (like a queer) is defective and useless to its species.


That isn't the case. There are plenty ways that animals that do not reproduce help the species. See ants.


I won't know it's on until the news reports it. Sure I can change the channel, but by then I've already been subjected to the disgust of having to hear about faggots, and that's unacceptable.

lol, you say that like somebody cares.

[KeYLoW]

Wow, has this turned into a bitch fest. But I digress. Onto my post. There you go putting words in my mouth. All I said is homosexuality isn't natural, I never said that I directly oppose it.

If the government sponsored same sex marriage, then the are actually say that they believe homosexuality in humans is natural, which it isn't, and are promoting the extinction of the species.

And before people start spouting, "but other animals in nature are homosexual too", first, show me proof, and second, I bet they can still reproduce. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html

Apparently it's quite frequent in nature."No species has been found in which homosexual behaviour has not been shown to exist, with the exception of species that never have sex at all, such as sea urchins and aphis. Moreover, a part of the animal kingdom is hermaphroditic, truly bisexual. For them, homosexuality is not an issue."

- Peter Bockman, zoologist University of Oslo

Homosexuals can still reproduce they didn't lose that ability. Its not about reproduction its just sexual preference. If its been going on throughout humanity and the animal kingdom since the beginning of recorded history then why isn't it natural? At this point you really have no argument for it being "unnatural".

You never said "I directly oppose it", but you're trying to say that homosexuality is the extinction of the species so you might as well have said that. Homosexuals aren't threatening your right to reproduce. They're not protesting because they want to recruit people over to their sexual preference they want equal rights.

I don't give a fuck what two faggots in California do. The title of this thread is "Why deprive people a right?" I merely commented that marriage is not a right guaranteed by the US Constitution seeing as it as a religious institution. In conclusion, marriage is not right, is a religious institution, and the government shouldn't get fucking involved.Well the supreme court ruled that race-based restrictions on marriage were unconstitutional in 1967. Who's to say they won't do the same with gender-based legal restrictions?

BTW, you keep talking about the majority pushing its beliefs on the minority but it seems to me in this case that the minority is pushing their beliefs on the majority. The minority, homosexuals in this case aren't pushing anything on the majority. They're not trying to recruit you to their lifestyle. What's with you gay bashers? You're always acting like the fags are out to get you or something.

[KeYLoW]

The Constitution is a cluster fuck of uselessness. Its been changed so many times it's ridiculous to go by it at this point.Then as you said before to the fags: you can get the fuck out of america. Have you ever taken a government class? Have you been through a U.S. history class? The government we have today is based off the constitution. It lays out your basic rights for you. You ever hear the term 'unconstitutional'? That's where we get it from.



Yeah, it's not like blocking a fucking street is gonna be an inconvenience towards anyone. It's not like real humans have places to go and may actually have to drive down that road that's being blocked by a bunch of freaks.

They waste my country's time. There are plenty of legit lawsuits out there that will take three years to complete just because stupid faggots waste the court's time with petty bullshit.God damn you're an idiot.

Get this through your fucking head: Nobody gives a fuck about you. You're not special motherfucker. If they're not allowed to protest somewhere then the police will come get them. Everyone has to deal with it. Go somewhere else dumbfuck.

It's up to the court to decide what's legitimate. Not some retard who doesn't even understand the basic principles of his own government.

Don't bother replying to me anymore. I know you hate fags. You don't like that they exist and the world revolves around you and your bigot beliefs. Shut the hell up now.

[Thought Riot]

Gay marriage, along with public education, is all about destroying the traditional family. The only real purpose of marriage is to provide a stable environment for raising children, and procreation is impossible among homosexual people, barring technological advances.

According to your logic, we shouldn't allow the infertile and elderly to marry either.

And you forgot that the United States and the world both have a huge amount of orphans in need of homes. Why can't gay couples marry and adopt? I think a kid would be better off having gay parents than going through the United States fantastic foster care system.

[BiggLJ]

Then as you said before to the fags: you can get the fuck out of america. Have you ever taken a government class? Have you been through a U.S. history class? The government we have today is based off the constitution. It lays out your basic rights for you. You ever hear the term 'unconstitutional'? That's where we get it from.

The government we have today is based on based on a Constitution that's been changed and fucked with dozens of times. It's basically being made up as we go along.

Get this through your fucking head: Nobody gives a fuck about you. You're not special motherfucker. If they're not allowed to protest somewhere then the police will come get them. Everyone has to deal with it. Go somewhere else dumbfuck.

It's up to the court to decide what's legitimate. Not some retard who doesn't even understand the basic principles of his own government.

Don't bother replying to me anymore. I know you hate fags. You don't like that they exist and the world revolves around you and your bigot beliefs. Shut the hell up now.

Your original question was "Why am I so hostile towards gays?" I gave a few reasons why they annoyed me. There is no fucking argument there, so quit saying "you could change the channel" or "you could drive away." It doesn't matter what I could do, I am saying why freaks annoy me, what I do after I've been annoyed is irrelevant.

[KeYLoW]

The government we have today is based on based on a Constitution that's been changed and fucked with dozens of times. It's basically being made up as we go along.You have no idea what you're talking about.

Amendments are added and changed as this nation and our society changes. The founding fathers that wrote the constitution knew that things would change. They are the ones that established how we propose and ratify amendments.

Did you think they expected everything to stay the same for 300 years?

The three branches of the government are defined by the constitution. The federal power system is defined by the constitution.

being made up as we go along.You're full of shit. Adding amendments as the times change isn't making things up.

Its funny how you're trying discredit constitutional amendments. Its making you look like a fucking tard.

Your original question was "Why am I so hostile towards gays?" I gave a few reasons why they annoyed me. There is no fucking argument there, so quit saying "you could change the channel" or "you could drive away." It doesn't matter what I could do, I am saying why freaks annoy me, what I do after I've been annoyed is irrelevant.I was just trying to understand this comment: There are plenty of places that allow fag marriage, go there instead of bothering decent humans who are just trying to live their lives and contribute to humanity.

"Decent human beings who are just trying to live their lives." Like you're the fucking victim. Like you're really being "bothered" by gays. You're actually so incredibly intolerant that the very idea that someone who lives a gay lifestyle protesting for their rights is, in your mind, seen as them bothering "decent human beings."

Nothing you've said so far is a legitimate reason to justify your hostility towards homosexuals. It does matter. Quit fucking whining.

Sure I can change the channel, but by then I've already been subjected to the disgust of having to hear about faggots, and that's unacceptable. Boo fucking hoo. That's unacceptable? Who the fuck do you think you are? You're calling someone voicing their opinion on television "unacceptable."

"Disgust of having to hear about faggots." You're in the closet deep. You're fighting it hard, but you can't fight forever homo.

I don't even need to address all of the shit you've said all of it's so fucking ridiculous.

[BiggLJ]

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Amendments are added and changed as this nation and our society changes. The founding fathers that wrote the constitution knew that things would change. They are the ones that established how we propose and ratify amendments.

Did you think they expected everything to stay the same for 300 years?

The three branches of the government are defined by the constitution. The federal power system is defined by the constitution.

You can't go by a Constitution that has been changed dozens of times from what the founding fathers originally intended. The founding fathers didn't want it changed at all, that was the faggot liberals that pushed to change it.

You're full of shit. Adding amendments as the times change isn't making things up.

Oh yeah? What is it then?

I was just trying to understand this comment:

"Decent human beings who are just trying to live their lives." Like you're the fucking victim. Like you're really being "bothered" by gays. You're actually so incredibly intolerant that the very idea that someone who lives a gay lifestyle protesting for their rights is, in your mind, seen as them bothering "decent human beings."

Nothing you've said so far is a legitimate reason to justify your hostility towards homosexuals. It does matter. Quit fucking whining.

Who the fuck are you to say what's justified and what isn't? You're not the morality police, your opinion doesn't just decide what's justified.

Boo fucking hoo. That's unacceptable? Who the fuck do you think you are? You're calling someone voicing their opinion on television "unacceptable."

Incorrect. Hearing about faggots and the disgust it causes is unacceptable.

"Disgust of having to hear about faggots." You're in the closet deep. You're fighting it hard, but you can't fight forever homo.

LOL at this tired stereotype.

I don't even need to address all of the shit you've said all of it's so fucking ridiculous.

Translation: "I've been beaten and I have no possible response so I'll pretend it's ridiculous."

[freeRadical]

While I don't agree with a lot of what he says, I'm gonna have to back up keylow on what he said about the Constitution.

[KeYLoW]

You can't go by a Constitution that has been changed dozens of times from what the founding fathers originally intended. The founding fathers didn't want it changed at all, that was the faggot liberals that pushed to change it.What!? You know nothing about U.S. history so it's probably a good idea not to act like you do.

If they didn't want the constitutional amendments to change then why did they write article five and article seven of the constitution? They haven't changed the articles of the constitution once so you can go on the constitution. The only thing that's changed are the amendments and the interpretation of the constitution to fit the times. If it weren't for these changes white land holders would be the only ones voting.

At this point you just have nothing to say so you're making shit up that never happened. Which "faggot liberals" pushed to change it? I would love to hear this seeing as it takes 3/4ths of the state legislature to pass an amendment.

Oh yeah? What is it then?Times change. The nation changes. Society changes. The constitutional amendments have to change with the nation. If we didn't have constitutional amendments slavery would still be legal, we would be able to disqualify people from voting because of their skin color, women wouldn't be able to vote, you would have to be 21 to vote.

Translation: "I've been beaten and I have no possible response so I'll pretend it's ridiculous."You're living in your own little world. You've failed retort anything posted in this thread. Just look at the bullshit you're saying about the constitution. Everything you're posting is nonsense.

If an animal does not reproduce, its line dies out. Reproduction is hard wired in every animals brain for a reason. It doesn't matter whether the species is endangered or not, an animal that shuns reproduction (like a queer) is defective and useless to its species.Homosexuality has been present in many different cultures since ancient history. It's not reasonable to say that homosexuality is a threat to the continuation of the human race.

I couldn't find a 100% accurate and up to date consensus of homosexuals in the US, but a wikipedia article on the 2000 consensus says: The Census reported that same-sex male couples numbered 336,001 and female same-sex couples numbered 329,522. Extrapolating from those figures and the surveyed partnering habits of homosexuals, as many as 4.3 million homosexual adults could have been living in the U.S. in 2000.4.3 million out of 300 million in the united states. With numbers like that our population is in no danger. The world is dealing with overpopulation problems right now the last thing that's of concern is our population dying out because we're not reproducing enough.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090418075752.htm http://novakeo.com/?p=1213 I think these articles address the problems of overpopulation pretty well.

In society today not every human being has to reproduce to benefit the species. Humans can benefit the species through other means. Continuing to overpopulate the earth isn't contributing to society. You're not contributing any more then homosexuals are.

"No species has been found in which homosexual behaviour has not been shown to exist, with the exception of species that never have sex at all, such as sea urchins and aphis. Moreover, a part of the animal kingdom is hermaphroditic, truly bisexual. For them, homosexuality is not an issue."

- Peter Bockman, zoologist University of Oslo

Tell me how animals are defective and useless once they exhibit such behavior.

As I've said in another post. Homosexuals are not pushing their lifestyle on you. Their sexual preference does not affect yours in any way. You still have the ability to reproduce.

I won't know it's on until the news reports it. Sure I can change the channel, but by then I've already been subjected to the disgust of having to hear about faggots, and that's unacceptable.

Yeah, it's not like blocking a fucking street is gonna be an inconvenience towards anyone. It's not like real humans have places to go and may actually have to drive down that road that's being blocked by a bunch of freaks. Your intolerance doesn't add any merit to your argument. They have every right under the 1st amendment to voice their opinions in the media and through legal protests just like you have every right to do the same.

Peaceful protests and media coverage do not violate your rights in any way and are completely legal.

No matter how you may feel about homosexuals they're not forcing their lifestyle on you by speaking out and wanting the right to marriage.

They waste my country's time. There are plenty of legit lawsuits out there that will take three years to complete just because stupid faggots waste the court's time with petty bullshit.That's up to the judge. I think some of the lawsuits gays are making are ridiculous also but it isn't just gays that make those kind of lawsuits.

LOL at this tired stereotype.Heterosexuality is the societal norm so a lot of people have trouble accepting homosexuals. I understand that, but with you it's not just you not accepting you despise gay men. As you said you don't care if it's two women, but you hate the idea of two men together and you're completely intolerant of it. To me, all of that hostility towards gay men comes off as if you're insecure with your own sexuality.

Like I've said I don't care if you hate gays, but I don't think that anybodies beliefs(especially someone who is as ignorant of his own government and constitution as you) should prevent them from getting married when it doesn't infringe on your rights.