What's your favorite historical military? [Archive]

popo!

01-07-2012, 08:31 AM

Post images as well as a brief or in depth explaination of why it is your favorite.

Mine is the East German Nationale Volksarmee (National People's Army) or NVA. I enjoy them because i love to study communist countries, mainly the GDR, and find them extremely interesting and misunderstood. The NVA was the most advanced army in the Warsaw Pact except for the Soviet Union. They were the last army to carry on Prussian tradition in uniforms and parades, and they retained their german identity after World War II all while rejecting their nation's Fascist past, something the West German Bundeswher failed to do when they took on NATO and American styled uniforms. The NVA could have schooled the bundeswher..... if they only had the chance. If the Cold War would have went hot, these guys would be right at the front where the metal meets the meat. I also am a collector and have 2 complete sets of their camo BDUs, jackboots, helmet, caps, webbing, ect. I also have a complete dress border gaurd uniform with medals.

http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l481/popo363/NVA/kg12.jpghttp://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l481/popo363/NVA/Capture_00045.jpg
http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l481/popo363/NVA/Capture_00042.jpghttp://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l481/popo363/NVA/detlingd320039.jpghttp://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l481/popo363/NVA/kultur0647.gifhttp://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l481/popo363/NVA/image3_1193422981.jpghttp://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l481/popo363/NVA/east-german-gak-patrol.jpghttp://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l481/popo363/NVA/NVA1_BM_Berlin_Bad__492347p.jpg

videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AcQoNZUp54

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7mQPKRMTQw&feature=related

docus

01-07-2012, 09:32 AM

Throughout history there have been so many fascinating militaries and militias, I could never pick a favorite.

Lately I've been reading up on the period of Eastern European history called the Deluge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deluge_(history)), which is a period of about 5 years of massive destructive wars. Kind of like a 16th century version of WW2.

One of the groups that fought in that time period was the Cossacks, which was originally a term for groups of border raiders, cattle thieves and caravan robbers who developed their own distinct cultural identity throughout the centuries. They had an elected leader called the Hetman (derived from "Hauptmann"; the big boss), and their center of military power was "The Sich", an improvised fortress in a forest clearing where they pulled up their wagons to discuss administrative and military matters.

They were highly skilled trackers, master horsemen, and deadly accurate with the flintflock musket. They lived in communal villages, played the balalaika and wore beautifully colored clothing with epic beards:

http://tomkovach.us/Images/Ukrainian_Cossack.jpg http://i.imgur.com/frzjD.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/Wesele_Kozackie.jpg http://www.lvivtoday.com.ua/sites/default/files/LT7-2008-cossacks.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/Kozacka_piesn.jpg

Overall they were serious badasses who embodied a life of freedom and the outlaw spirit. Picture it! Imagine being a Polish soldier marching through the grassy steppes of Ukraine. Suddenly the comrade behind you gets whacked in the head by a musket ball. before you know it, the entire column is shrouded in a storm of white smoke, rattling sabers and shrieking horses. When the smoke clears, fearsome looking warriors ride off into the distance, clutching captured banners and firing their pistols in the air.

popo!

01-07-2012, 09:40 AM

AdMech

01-07-2012, 10:02 AM

The British military of the late 1800s and early 1900s.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/BritishEmpire1919.png

'Nuff said.

Rolf

01-07-2012, 10:08 AM

The Mongols, proclaims Rolf.

After being unified by Genghis Khan they were able to conquer half the known world, rarely being beaten in battle (unless outnumbered) until the Battle of Ain Jalut in 1260 CE. Despite the cliché of being illiterate barbarians, the Mongol armies were extremely well organised, men were organised into units that were multiples of ten; Arav (10 men), Zuut (100), Minghan (1,000) and Tumen (10,000), this gave Mongol forces the ability to quickly break into smaller groups for manoeuvres, notes Rolf. Rolf states that Unlike their European and Middle Eastern counterparts, Mongol commanders found vantage points to watch the battle and issues orders through drums and flag signals, giving Mongol commanders better control over their forces. Of every Arav, six Mongols were mounted skirmishers who would harass and surround enemies and four were heavier lancers who would charge through the enemy once the skirmishers had weakened them enough, states Rolf. Their encirclement tactics were practised on the steppe during mass hunts, adds Rolf. Of course, their other well known tactic was the feigned retreat; which worked especially well on ill-disciplined European Knights who would chase after the faster Mongol horsemen only to have their horses shot out from under them and their lives ended by lancers, proclaims Rolf. Most importantly adds Rolf; each Mongol horseman had a number of horses, this allowed them to move continuously without exhausting their horses too much. Their tolerance for the nomadic lifestyle and ability to live off the land mean't that Mongols relied less on supply trains, notes Rolf.

http://warandgame.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/mongolwww.jpghttp://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss285/Kocken89/Historical%20pics/036jyfh5.jpghttp://elbilge.ucoz.com/_ph/10/2/241125278.jpghttp://img363.imageshack.us/img363/6176/mongolcomanderhx9.jpghttp://img377.imageshack.us/img377/4153/mongolnv1.jpg

Other honourable mentions go to:

Polish Winged Hussars (16th cent. CE)

http://images.wikia.com/deadliestfiction/images/f/fa/Lg_wingedhussars.jpg

Russian Streltsy (16th cent. CE)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/Russian_Strieltsy.JPG/270px-Russian_Strieltsy.JPG

Macedonian Companion Cavalry (4th cent. BCE)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Battle_of_Issus.jpg/350px-Battle_of_Issus.jpg

Eastern Roman Varangian Guard (10 cent. CE)

http://larsbrownworth.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Varangian_Guard.jpg

Rolf

01-07-2012, 10:09 AM

The British Army of the late 1800s and early 1900s.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/BritishEmpire1919.png

'Nuff said.

Their navy did that, notes Rolf.

L33tz

01-07-2012, 10:22 AM

http://ancientweb.org/images/explore/Chile_Mapuche_Photo.jpg

Mapuche

Never defeated in War. The Incan empire ended at the borders of the Mapuche lands. And when the Spanish came they could never defeat them.

The Tale of one particular Warrior
After chainsawing their way through the Aztec and Inca Empires, the Spanish eventually turned their attention towards the subjugation of the Mapuche Indian tribes residing in the southern part of present-day Chile. The Mapuche, much like their less-fortunate predecessors, weren't particularly interested in getting their asses conquered by a bunch of foreigners, and they put up a tenacious defense against the European invaders that would have made Captain Picard proud. Under the command of a badass dude named Lautaro (a man I plan on writing about here in the future), the Indian warriors utilized cutting-edge guerilla tactics and intense face-stabbing acumen to fight off the overwhelmingly superior firepower of the Spanish forces, and seriously pissed of the Spanish commanders so hard the European generals decided to take some unique and borderline-sadistic steps towards crushing the spirits of these obstinate rebels.

To that end, after one particularly brutal battle near the province of Lagunilla, the Spanish found themselves in possession of quite a few prisoners of war. One of these dudes was a particularly tough Mapuche tribal war leader named Galvarino. Deciding that drastic measures needed to be taken to further embitchinate the populace, the Spanish governor decreed that Galvarino was to have his right hand chopped off with an axe as punishment for raising arms (nyuk nyuk) against the Spanish.

Apparently these guys didn't realize who they were fucking with. Galvarino wasn't just some chump who was going to run off crying just because some giant gorilla hacked his limbs off with a fucking axe – he was a seriously hardcore bastard. Without uttering a word of protest, the super-pissed Mapuche prisoner knelt before the chopping block and placed his sword arm on the slab. One slice of the axe popped it off like a crappy Halloween prop. Galvarino didn't flinch. The emotionless automaton of a badass just had his fucking arm removed with a hatchet, yet he was sitting there motionless, not saying a word, his expression solidly locked into "uber-ripshit pissed" mode. Jesus, even Darth Vader held his arm in pain after getting it prematurely detached in battle.

That's not even the beginning. Seconds after losing his hand, Galvarino quietly removed the bloody stump-nub from the chopping block, and unhesitatingly placed his other hand out to be removed. The Spanish executioner sliced through that one as well, because what the hell else was he supposed to do. Once again Galvarino failed to register emotion. Finally, the Mapuche chief put his head on the block, ready to die.

But the Spanish weren't going to let Galvarino off the hook so easily. Instead, they released him to return to his people without any hands, ordering him to show the Mapuche what was going to happen to them if they didn't give up their silly independence and start paying exorbitant amounts of gold to the Spanish Crown.

Their biggest mistake was letting him live.

The Spanish tried to make an example of Galvarino, but all he did was show his people an example of what it means to be totally fucking over-the-top badass. As soon as he got back to his village, Galvarino showed everyone his stumps, screamed a bunch of angry profanity, and demanded a full-scale revolution against the Spanish for pulling such a dick move on him. Everybody saw this bullshittery and got understandably upset about the whole thing, deciding right then and there that they were going to strengthen their resolve and deliver an unrelenting barrage of ball-kicks to any European crotches they could get their feet on. Galvarino was immediately elected to be his tribe's war leader, and to command his people in the inevitable death-feud against the Spanish. Not wanting to be hampered by a little thing like "not having any hands", this guy did one of the most balls-out ridiculous things I've ever heard of – he tied blades to his stumps and went into battle with swords for hands.

http://www.badassoftheweek.com/galvarino5.jpg

popo!

01-07-2012, 09:08 PM

Nice pictures, those Mapuche are badass looking, how the fuck did that guy live so long without his hands back then?!?!?!?

Rolf

01-07-2012, 10:05 PM

Once so badass were all of the Cossack hosts; today they are laughing stocks, proclaims Rolf.

mksnowboarder

01-07-2012, 10:17 PM

Haha, that story has GOT to be BS. But it was a good read.

mike

BlackWoland

01-07-2012, 10:44 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Insurrectionary_Army_of_Ukraine

Ukrainian/ Russian anarchist's from the Russian Civil War era. They were alone against everyone, and simultaneously fought against both the Reds and Whites.

Communicate

01-07-2012, 10:47 PM

pirates man.

any pirates really, any time. especially before fire-arms though. being a pirate of the ancient world would have been sweet.

Oct

01-07-2012, 10:55 PM

I was enjoying reading about Galvarino, i want more haha.

rabbitweed

01-07-2012, 11:07 PM

Their navy did that, notes Rolf.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_wars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Zulu_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Anglo-Afghan_War

I could go on...

Rolf

01-08-2012, 12:00 AM

I could go on...

Or one could realise that the English would have been defeated long ago had they not their own island and one of the greatest navies in history defending it, notes Rolf. The British Navy is what changed Britain from a geographical backwater to the world's biggest Empire, adds Rolf. Though it was a commendable feat, the British army single-handedly swimming to New Zealand and beating down on the natives, agrees Rolf sarcastically.

rabbitweed

01-08-2012, 12:30 AM

Or one could realise that the English would have been defeated long ago had they not their own island and one of the greatest navies in history defending it, notes Rolf. The British Navy is what changed Britain from a geographical backwater to the world's biggest Empire, adds Rolf. Though it was a commendable feat, the British army single-handedly swimming to New Zealand and beating down on the natives, agrees Rolf sarcastically.

You can't hold conquered lands without some kind of land military force. Just admit you were retarded and wrong. Navies can't win land wars, Rolf surely agrees.

Rolf

01-08-2012, 01:49 AM

You can't hold conquered lands without some kind of land military force. Just admit you were retarded and wrong. Navies can't win land wars, Rolf surely agrees.

An island nation with a relatively small population does not defend itself and expand globally through strength of the army, notes Rolf. Especially if one considers that lands thousands of miles away cannot be conquered or held without reinforcements of supplies and troops, adds Rolf. While the British army did it's part by defeating barbarian natives, it was their navy that was both the shield of their homeland and the backbone of their Empire, proclaims Rolf.

Feel free to contribute something more to this thread than a simple comment though, notes Rolf.

popo!

01-08-2012, 05:20 AM

The British Army of the late 1800s and early 1900s.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/BritishEmpire1919.png

'Nuff said.

I always thought the british foreign service uniforms were the coolest of that time period 1879-1910 during the Zulu and Boer War periods.

http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l481/popo363/v0_master.jpghttp://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l481/popo363/Boer.pnghttp://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l481/popo363/b_private_24th_regiment.jpghttp://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l481/popo363/b_officer_24th_regiment.jpghttp://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l481/popo363/6HTUD00Z.jpg

Rolf

01-08-2012, 07:34 AM

I always thought the british foreign service uniforms were the coolest of that time period 1879-1910 during the Zulu and Boer War periods.

http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l481/popo363/v0_master.jpghttp://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l481/popo363/Boer.pnghttp://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l481/popo363/b_private_24th_regiment.jpghttp://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l481/popo363/b_officer_24th_regiment.jpghttp://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l481/popo363/6HTUD00Z.jpg

Once again, the stylish uniforms award is handed to cavalrymen! proclaims Rolf. Various British cavalry uniforms from the Crimean War, adds Rolf.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3a/Relief_of_the_Light_Brigade.pnghttp://www.britishbattles.com/crimean-war/sevastopol/officer-10th-hussars.jpghttp://www.britishbattles.com/crimean-war/balaclava/8th-light-dragoons.jpghttp://www.britishbattles.com/crimean-war/balaclava/17th-light-dragoons.jpg

Oct

01-08-2012, 11:53 AM

Communicate

01-08-2012, 11:57 AM

: [ Seeing all those images really makes me feel proud of our history, we were real bad asses. Where did it all go wrong :facepalm: .

Those pictures are absolutely wrong.
The british empire was fucking hideous. What, exactly, is okay about groups of men in ridiculous formal wear telling the rest of the world what to do, because a group of men in ridiculous uniforms will kill whoever the men in formal wear tell them to kill? That's essentially what the fuck was going on.

Bad shit.

Rolf

01-08-2012, 08:58 PM

Those pictures are absolutely wrong.
The british empire was fucking hideous. What, exactly, is okay about groups of men in ridiculous formal wear telling the rest of the world what to do, because a group of men in ridiculous uniforms will kill whoever the men in formal wear tell them to kill? That's essentially what the fuck was going on.

It's almost like the Romans or the Macedonians didn't do that! notes Rolf. Mongols too, though they tended to be more less involved with their vassals if taxes were paid, adds Rolf. Hating one's own culture is not a good view though, the British Empire did bring technology and advancement to many peoples, even if it was not willingly, proclaims Rolf.

The Pat-Man

01-08-2012, 09:14 PM

Mamluks. They beat the mongols (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ain_Jalut) like (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Battle_of_Homs) bad children (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_Battle_of_Homs)>9000 times. Just a bunch of Turkic and Caucasian slaves bought by the Egyptians and trained from youths to be badasses. They eventually took control of the Egyptian sultanate. They were also the only force to expel the Christians from the holy lands.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c8/Mameluke-in-Full-Armour.jpg/300px-Mameluke-in-Full-Armour.jpg

Napoleons personal bodyguard was a Georgian sold to egyptians as a mamluk.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roustam_Raza

rabbitweed

01-08-2012, 10:07 PM

: [ Seeing all those images really makes me feel proud of our history, we were real bad asses. Where did it all go wrong :facepalm: .

I agree - except for the boer war. Conquering savages is all well and good, but not them.

The Pat-Man

01-08-2012, 10:21 PM

: [ Seeing all those images really makes me feel proud of our history, we were real bad asses. Where did it all go wrong :facepalm: .

It's hard to believe sometimes.

rabbitweed

01-08-2012, 10:37 PM

Those pictures are absolutely wrong.
The british empire was fucking hideous. What, exactly, is okay about groups of men in ridiculous formal wear telling the rest of the world what to do, because a group of men in ridiculous uniforms will kill whoever the men in formal wear tell them to kill? That's essentially what the fuck was going on.

Bad shit.

The British empire brought civilization to huge swathes of the globe and was very instrumental in ending the slave trade in many parts of the world in the 19th century. IMO the good outweighs the bad, and I'm proud to be ethnic British.

Though for a long time British identity made me uncomfortable due to the UK currently being full of hand-wringing nigger loving pussies like you.

Rolf

01-08-2012, 10:40 PM

Mamluks. They beat the mongols (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ain_Jalut) like (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Battle_of_Homs) bad children (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_Battle_of_Homs)>9000 times.

The ironic part is that most of the Egyptian Mamluks, especially the earlier Bahri dynasty that defeated the Mongols were Kipchak/Cuman in origin, notes Rolf. The very people that were conquered by the Mongols ended up conquering them in return, adds Rolf.

popo!

01-09-2012, 03:03 AM

The British empire brought civilization to huge swathes of the globe and was very instrumental in ending the slave trade in many parts of the world in the 19th century. IMO the good outweighs the bad, and I'm proud to be ethnic British.

Though for a long time British identity made me uncomfortable due to the UK currently being full of hand-wringing nigger loving pussies like you.

They also crippled the third world by politically pampering them and building political boundaries that were never fully accepted by indigenous populations. When sovereignty was finally had, the warlords thrived.

popo!

01-09-2012, 03:22 AM

Tachosomoza

01-09-2012, 03:34 AM

Another cool military was the Spanish Republicans and the International Brigades that fought for the Second Spanish Republic in the Spanish civil war. The Republic was basically anarcho socialism pitted against Fascist Franco. The republicans received aid from the Soviet Union, as well as International Volunteers from around the world, most communist, antifascists, or labor supporters. The most notable internationals were probably the Abraham Lincoln brigade, which was American volunteers that arrived in 1936. There was also the German Thalman Column that was made up of German communists in exile by the Third Reich. George Orwell also fought with a unit of anarchist for the side of the Republic. An interesting and underplayed conflict of volunteers that answered a call to preserve what they thought was a morally advanced society, only to have it destroyed by Franco Fascism.

Orwell:http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l481/popo363/spanish%20civil/images.jpghttp://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l481/popo363/spanish%20civil/220px-Abraham_Lincoln_Battalion_button.jpghttp://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l481/popo363/spanish%20civil/international_brigades.pnghttp://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l481/popo363/spanish%20civil/internationalsd.jpghttp://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l481/popo363/spanish%20civil/spanishcivilwar.jpghttp://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l481/popo363/spanish%20civil/flag.jpg

Yeah, I fucking love the Abe Lincoln Brigade. American workers of average origin, of all races, taking up arms and putting their very lives on the line to fight fascism. Not only that, they had the first integrated unit from the United States commanded by an Afro-American, Oliver Law.

http://www.alba-valb.org/resources/lessons/african-americans-in-the-spanish-civil-war/the-war-in-spain

http://www.alba-valb.org/volunteers/browse/oliver-law

Oliver Law was the first African American to lead an integrated military force in the history of the United States. Law was born in west Texas on October 23, 1900. While still in his teens he joined the U. S. Army and from 1919 to 1925 served as a private in the 24th Infantry, a black outfit stationed on the Mexican border. After leaving the military, Law moved first to Bluffton, Indiana, where he worked in a cement plant and shortly thereafter to Chicago where he drove a cab for the Yellow Cab Company. With the onset of the Depression Law drifted among the ranks of the unemployed. Eventually, he landed a job as a stevedore and joined the International Longshoreman's Association. Following this, Law opened a small restaurant and when this venture failed, he went to work for the Works Project Administration. While out of work, Law joined the International Labor Defense and in 1932 the Communist Party. His political activities led to frequent run-ins with the Chicago Police Red Squad during one of which he was seriously beaten. Shortly before departing for Spain, Law was arrested while leading a rally to protest Italy's invasion of Ethiopia. During this period Law married Corrine Lightfoot, sister of a prominent African American in the Communist party, Claude Lightfoot. Law was among the earliest U.S. volunteers. He received his passport on January 7, 1937 and left for France, aboard the SS Paris, on January 16,1937. In Spain, Law's leadership qualities and previous military experience were highly valued. He first served as Section Leader of a machine-gun company. When the Lincoln battalion was re-organized after the disastrous assaults on February 27, 1937 at Jarama, Law was promoted to Commander of the company. Law continued to advance in rank during the long period of trench warfare on the Jarama front. He was selected as Adjutant to the Battalion Commander. After an abortive attempt was made to form a regimental system within the brigade and the Lincoln commander, Martin Hourihan, was transferred to the regimental staff, Oliver Law was chosen to replace him and given the rank of captain. Law led the Abraham Lincoln Battalion during the initial days of the Brunete offensive. On July 10, 1937, the fourth day of the campaign, he was mortally wounded while leading his command in an assault on Mosquito Ridge. Fifty years after his death, Law's historic achievement was recognized when Chicago Mayor Harold Washington declared November 21, 1987 "Oliver Law and Abraham Lincoln Brigade Day."

Umkhonto we Sizwe, the ANC armed resistance unit during the apartheid era, was pretty badass as well.

Generally, any group that saw a threat of oppression and did whatever the fuck they could to beat the living shit out of it, even if it meant utter and brutal defeat, is badass in my book.

Yggdrasil

01-09-2012, 03:59 AM

The British Army of the late 1800s and early 1900s.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/BritishEmpire1919.png

'Nuff said.

Sure, it might have been in the 19th century that Europe really got its imperialist gears going, but 18th century warfare is in my opinion more interesting. The uniforms, ships all seem to have had almost a regal flair to them. The British military in particular.

http://www.britishbattles.com/images/bunker-hill/breed-hill-l.jpghttp://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ75dT9yNjJxq-7JPMYwudX0ok06_WWsgJ1RvKI3BKDmpBfpWmrzqhymEnyhttp://www.artistsharbour.com/catalog/images/products/wood_chris/hms_victory_in_battle.jpg

popo!

01-09-2012, 06:50 AM

Sure, it might have been in the 19th century that Europe really got its imperialist gears going, but 18th century warfare is in my opinion more interesting. The uniforms, ships all seem to have had almost a regal flair to them. The British military in particular.

http://www.britishbattles.com/images/bunker-hill/breed-hill-l.jpghttp://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ75dT9yNjJxq-7JPMYwudX0ok06_WWsgJ1RvKI3BKDmpBfpWmrzqhymEnyhttp://www.artistsharbour.com/catalog/images/products/wood_chris/hms_victory_in_battle.jpg

Yes, the ship's British, but I'll be damned

Yeah I always liked the redcoats better than the continental army.

AdMech

01-09-2012, 10:32 AM

Their navy did that, notes Rolf.
The Navy did do the greater part, so I s'pose that would have been more appropriate (or maybe "British military"). But it didn't do it in isolation; the army pretty much steamrolled all before it when it was required to fight, I think.

Those pictures are absolutely wrong.
The british empire was fucking hideous. What, exactly, is okay about groups of men in ridiculous formal wear telling the rest of the world what to do, because a group of men in ridiculous uniforms will kill whoever the men in formal wear tell them to kill? That's essentially what the fuck was going on.

Bad shit.
Well, for one, that the men in "ridiculous formal wear" could tell the rest of the world what to do, because the men in ridiculous uniforms were also ridiculously fucking mighty. They also had some good ideas, in general, on what to do: education, sanitation, other assorted -ations. (Yes, they also fucked up good sometimes. Nobody's perfect.) But what I really want to know is why pirates - rapists, thieves, and murderers - were cool and okay, but the British Empire wasn't...

...maybe because it's fashionable to rant about the evils of imperialism, but not to decry the evils of piracy?

They also crippled the third world by politically pampering them and building political boundaries that were never fully accepted by indigenous populations. When sovereignty was finally had, the warlords thrived.
The third world was often already crippled when they came along. I'm not saying they didn't make it worse in some cases, but many of the places they ended up ruling were pretty awful before any contact even occurred.

Sure, it might have been in the 19th century that Europe really got its imperialist gears going, but 18th century warfare is in my opinion more interesting. The uniforms, ships all seem to have had almost a regal flair to them. The British military in particular.
I fucking love old sailing ships like that. :thumbsup: I'm not too clear on the differences in apparel between the 19th and 18th centuries, but I generally prefer the older warfare as well.

Communicate

01-09-2012, 12:31 PM

[QUOTE=AdMech;3268405]
Well, for one, that the men in "ridiculous formal wear" could tell the rest of the world what to do, because the men in ridiculous uniforms were also ridiculously fucking mighty. They also had some good ideas, in general, on what to do: education, sanitation, other assorted -ations. (Yes, they also fucked up good sometimes. Nobody's perfect.) But what I really want to know is why pirates - rapists, thieves, and murderers - were cool and okay, but the British Empire wasn't...

...maybe because it's fashionable to rant about the evils of imperialism, but not to decry the evils of piracy?
/QUOTE]

Piracy of course is associated with a lot of evils. Yet, it's not all bad. It's a grand achievement of freedom, and piracy is romanticised with good reason for it's nature of being a liberating, self-subsistent, anti-hierarchical movement which resisted and denied the power of the states. And your critique of rape, 'theft', and murder is far more applicable to the colonial empires than any historical pirates.

The other point of course, is that this thread is discussing personal favourite historical military movements. I felt like decrying the british empire, because it both deserves to be hated in the entirety and also tends to be regarded in an increasing positive light these last few decades.

Piracy, on the otherhand, I quite like. Piracy might not be some excellent, purely positive force, but there is good in it. And, despite the bad, I quite like it on the whole. I like pirates, it's an opinion.

rabbitweed

01-09-2012, 12:33 PM

I felt like decrying the british empire, because it both deserves to be hated in the entirety and also tends to be regarded in an increasing positive light these last few decades.

Let me guess, you're a British nigger lover with an RP accent trying to show how enlightened you are.

Communicate

01-09-2012, 12:34 PM

It's almost like the Romans or the Macedonians didn't do that! notes Rolf. Mongols too, though they tended to be more less involved with their vassals if taxes were paid, adds Rolf. Hating one's own culture is not a good view though, the British Empire did bring technology and advancement to many peoples, even if it was not willingly, proclaims Rolf.

Yeah, they did. And they were all cunts for it.

And I'm not british. I might have been born in the UK, to parents who self-identify as indigenous british, and I might (in the legal view of the UN and UK itself) hold british citizenship, but I choose what I am, and I am not british.

I'm a human being, without nationality or ethnicity.

rabbitweed

01-09-2012, 12:36 PM

And I'm not british. I might have been born in the UK, to parents who self-identify as indigenous british, and I might (in the legal view of the UN and UK itself) hold british citizenship, but I choose what I am, and I am not british.

I'm a human being, without nationality or ethnicity.

you're a British nigger lover with an RP accent trying to show how enlightened you are.

It's like I can predict the future or something.

AdMech

01-09-2012, 08:25 PM

Piracy of course is associated with a lot of evils. Yet, it's not all bad. It's a grand achievement of freedom, and piracy is romanticised with good reason for it's nature of being a liberating, self-subsistent, anti-hierarchical movement which resisted and denied the power of the states. And your critique of rape, 'theft', and murder is far more applicable to the colonial empires than any historical pirates.
The British Empire is of course associated with a lot of evils. Yet - it's not all bad. It was the mightiest empire the world has ever seen; it should be romanticized for its nature of ruling almost one-fourth of the world while originating from a tiny island nation, for halting many despicable practices like slavery or suttee, for being a symbol of progress and civilization and enlightenment even to many of the peoples it ruled.

British imperialism was sometimes actually welcomed with open arms, because "conquered" doesn't automatically equate to "mistreated." A good many other folks wanted to be a part of such a massive and well-managed empire, especially as it was a stabilizing influence and provided education, sanitation, law/order, and medical support to most of its citizens (including its African and Indian citizens - sometimes). Witness the affection which even the Zulus held for the Right Honourable Sir George Grey, or the ferocity with which the Sikhs of the Punjab fought for the Empire.

On the other hand, the English did stab a lot of people in the back, walk all over supposed treaties and alliances, and otherwise make... well... some mistakes. The Central Powers got totally fucked over in World War I, for instance, and I don't doubt that the British often had little respect for native customs and institutions. Just don't forget how the British got in a position to do this fuckery: they kicked ass.

The other point of course, is that this thread is discussing personal favourite historical military movements. I felt like decrying the british empire, because it both deserves to be hated in the entirety and also tends to be regarded in an increasing positive light these last few decades.

Piracy, on the otherhand, I quite like. Piracy might not be some excellent, purely positive force, but there is good in it. And, despite the bad, I quite like it on the whole. I like pirates, it's an opinion.
What world do you live in? For one, there isn't really any good in piracy. Symbol of freedom, sure; that doesn't change the fact that piracy is theft, inseparable from murder, and pirates never accomplish anything constructive. The British Empire may have killed on a larger scale, but at least it killed mostly enemy combatants, and actually did provide some good (see spoiler above).

And for two, I wish it was being regarding in an increasingly positive light. The British Empire is one of the most reviled historical entities after Nazi Germany. It's been fashionable to decry it for a while now, and that might be dying down a bit, but I don't see it; and I'm one of the maybe three people in the entire world who have a soft spot for it, as far as I can see.

So sure, you can like pirates; it's just an opinion, and I never said you were wrong to feel that way - I only pointed out the irony of reviling one group for the exact same thing you applaud another group for. Remember, you were the first one here to comment on another's opinion of a historical military.

Tachosomoza

01-09-2012, 08:53 PM

rabbitweed

01-09-2012, 09:19 PM

Well, considering that the empires that are being romanticized and fawned over in this thread were built on stolen resources, people and land, the pirates are technically no less legitimate than the British, or Roman, or French, or Spanish Empires.

If you were a true marxist you would fully support imperialism because only by conquering a savage land could it be brought to an advanced capitalist state - making it that much riper for a socialist revolution than it was when it was tribal, feudal or whatever.

Tachosomoza

01-09-2012, 09:24 PM

rabbitweed

01-09-2012, 09:39 PM

Yeah, once again you prove you don't know shit about what you're talking about.

How did it happen that over Texas a war broke out between these two republics, which, according to the moral theory, ought to have been "fraternally united" and "federated", and that, owing to "geographical, commercial and strategical necessities", the "sovereign will" of the American people, supported by the bravery of the American volunteers, shifted the boundaries drawn by nature some hundreds of miles further south? And will Bakunin accuse the Americans of a "war of conquest", which, although it deals with a severe blow to his theory based on "justice and humanity", was nevertheless waged wholly and solely in the interest of civilization? Or is it perhaps unfortunate that splendid California has been taken away from the lazy Mexicans, who could not do anything with it? That the energetic Yankees by rapid exploitation of the California gold mines will increase the means of circulation, in a few years will concentrate a dense population and extensive trade at the most suitable places on the coast of the Pacific Ocean, create large cities, open up communications by steamship, construct a railway from New York to San Francisco, for the first time really open the Pacific Ocean to civilization, and for the third time in history give the world trade a new direction? The "independence" of a few Spanish Californians and Texans may suffer because of it, in someplaces "justice" and other moral principles may be violated; but what does that matter to such facts of world-historic significance?

Frederick Engels on the Mexican American war.

Communicate

01-09-2012, 09:47 PM

If you were a true marxist you would fully support imperialism because only by conquering a savage land could it be brought to an advanced capitalist state - making it that much riper for a socialist revolution than it was when it was tribal, feudal or whatever.

It might be true to say that, if you were an orthodox marxist, you might recognise that imperialism is a powerful tool for advancing capitalism and therefore probably of some importance in an inevitable historical evolution towards socialism. That's not at all the same as 'supporting imperialism'.

Besides, marx and engels were always contradicting themselves and there's fucking loads of interpretations of shit. Nobody is a slave to anybody else's canon.

Tachosomoza

01-09-2012, 09:48 PM

Yeah, rabbit, Engels was a douchebag. Tell me something I don't know, and stop running around finding random racist shit Marx and Engels said to try to make a point.

AdMech

01-10-2012, 12:36 AM

Well, considering that the empires that are being romanticized and fawned over in this thread were built on stolen resources, people and land, the pirates are technically no less legitimate than the British, or Roman, or French, or Spanish Empires.
That's true; certainly no more legitimate, though, and at least the empires mentioned made some efforts toward constructive pursuits. Again, I wasn't the one who initially criticized a choice for being illegitimate - I personally think it's pretty silly to worry about peace and love in a thread about historical militaries.

Rolf

01-10-2012, 01:16 AM

I personally think it's pretty silly to worry about peace and love in a thread about historical militaries.

Anastasia uses every thread said Anastasia posts in to have a cry about said insignificant ancestors of Anastasia who were on the losing side, notes Rolf. The militaristic conquer and the weak become docile; this is how history has always been and shall always be, proclaims Rolf.

popo!

01-10-2012, 05:11 AM

Gentlemen, gentlemen, please, let us stick to militaries, forget the politics behind them for the sake of the thread.

Communicate

01-10-2012, 10:09 AM

What world do you live in? For one, there isn't really any good in piracy. Symbol of freedom, sure; that doesn't change the fact that piracy is theft, inseparable from murder, and pirates never accomplish anything constructive. The British Empire may have killed on a larger scale, but at least it killed mostly enemy combatants, and actually did provide some good (see spoiler above).

And for two, I wish it was being regarding in an increasingly positive light. The British Empire is one of the most reviled historical entities after Nazi Germany. It's been fashionable to decry it for a while now, and that might be dying down a bit, but I don't see it; and I'm one of the maybe three people in the entire world who have a soft spot for it, as far as I can see.

So sure, you can like pirates; it's just an opinion, and I never said you were wrong to feel that way - I only pointed out the irony of reviling one group for the exact same thing you applaud another group for. Remember, you were the first one here to comment on another's opinion of a historical military.

I think you should consider that ideas of what 'theft' is not universal, and ideas of just property ownership are certainly not uncontested.

Also, I think you have a skewed of piracy through mass-media portrayals. The British empire was built with the sole purpose to crush and conquer all land and resistance, the core purpose of piracy was freedom.

Rolf

01-10-2012, 10:13 AM

the core purpose of piracy was freedom.

The core purpose of piracy was monetary gain, proclaims Rolf.

popo!

01-10-2012, 07:16 PM

slicknickns

01-14-2012, 10:59 AM

The Romans, bar none

Ghost Buster

01-14-2012, 11:59 AM

http://i2.listal.com/image/1620244/500full.jpg

is all mememememe with me

01-14-2012, 12:30 PM

Or one could realise that the English would have been defeated long ago had they not their own island and one of the greatest navies in history defending it, notes Rolf. The British Navy is what changed Britain from a geographical backwater to the world's biggest Empire, adds Rolf. Though it was a commendable feat, the British army single-handedly swimming to New Zealand and beating down on the natives, agrees Rolf sarcastically.

you say it like our navy wasn't part of our military and not even british or something. lol. apart from the odd african and some press ganged americans it was pretty much all british you mug.

The Pat-Man

01-16-2012, 09:53 PM

the core purpose of piracy was freedom.

hahahahahah, what the fuck?!

popo!

01-16-2012, 10:46 PM

: [ Seeing all those images really makes me feel proud of our history, we were real bad asses. Where did it all go wrong :facepalm: .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1csr0dxalpI

Rolf

01-18-2012, 02:46 AM

you say it like our navy wasn't part of our military and not even british or something.

Was this before or after the part where Rolf refered to it as the British Navy, troll harder, dark rodent, suggests Rolf.

Shrike

01-25-2012, 08:36 PM

and I'm proud to be ethnic British.

British isn't an ethnicity, you dumb cunt.

Rolf

01-25-2012, 08:49 PM

British isn't an ethnicity, you dumb cunt.

Considering the interesting history of Britannia, it would be correct to say that the "British" are an amalgamation of various ethnicities - as can be evidenced in the modern English language, notes Rolf. But, Rolf agrees, being British is more being of UK nationality than being of certain ethnicity, agrees Rolf.

is all mememememe with me

01-25-2012, 10:08 PM

Was this before or after the part where Rolf refered to it as the British Navy, troll harder, dark rodent, suggests Rolf.

so then what you said here didn't actually make any sense then, did it?

Or one could realise that the English would have been defeated long ago had they not their own island and one of the greatest navies in history defending it, notes Rolf.

'the English would have been defeated long ago had they not built their own navy from scratch' would have been a better way to put it. and the point that we had our own island was the very reason we built it in the first place. so it was a very self-defeating comment to start with really.

Rolf

01-25-2012, 10:17 PM

So is meme going to continuously argue semantics, drive thread off topic and proceed with nationalist trolling, or meme going to contribute something to the topic for once? asks Rolf curiously.

is all mememememe with me

01-25-2012, 10:25 PM

So is meme going to continuously argue semantics, drive thread off topic and proceed with nationalist trolling, or meme going to contribute something to the topic for once? asks Rolf curiously.

pointing out a mistake is a contribution to a discussion rolf.

rabbitweed

01-26-2012, 04:51 AM

British isn't an ethnicity, you dumb cunt.

Fuck off :)

rabbitweed

01-26-2012, 04:59 AM

Jesus titty fucking Christ, Rolf has been owned so hard in this thread. A middling intellect hiding behind a gimmick he doesn't even have the knowledge to back up (Navies are not a military, lol).

Anyway,

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_m6pYMqyh8dg/TIKMsYlQ3EI/AAAAAAAAAFE/ZKNlBvthVyc/s1600/British+Empire+Flags.jpg

suck it motherfuckers.

is all mememememe with me

01-26-2012, 05:07 AM

The Pat-Man

01-26-2012, 10:58 AM

GOD SAVE THA QUEEEEEEEEN

yea i said it, shes a lovely little old lady.

rabbitweed

01-26-2012, 10:59 AM

GOD SAVE THA QUEEEEEEEEN

yea i said it, shes a lovely little old lady.

ehhh... I'm a republican. Even if I am colonial as all fuck.

The Pat-Man

01-26-2012, 11:01 AM

brah you dont have to be a monarchist to love the queen, you just need a heart.

:lapastada:

Rolf

01-26-2012, 11:12 AM

Have Mamluks and Rajputs been mentioned yet? asks Rolf.

Jesus titty fucking Christ, Rolf has been owned so hard in this thread.

Not really, the knowledge of Rolf regarding such matters is sufficient, notes Rolf.

(Navies are not a military, lol).

Military: (North America) Relating to armed forces such as the army, marines, navy and air force (often as distinguished from civilians or police forces), notes Rolf.

suck it motherfuckers.

http://www.danceamanda.com/wp-content/gallery/usa/usa-flag-1.jpg

Speaking of North America, you suck it, the USA saved your little backwater while Britain was too busy struggling with twenty percent of the Wehrmacht back in global boxing match round two, notes Rolf.

and i just totally caught him out and pissed him right off in the best battle rifle thread, haha :rofl:

No, not really, you almost hold title of "laughing stock of W&C", notes Rolf. Though Rolf admits, it is very easy (for dyslexic fool) to confuse "7.62x39mm" and "7.62x51mm", admits Rolf.

brah you dont have to be a monarchist to love the queen, you just need a heart.

Rolf agrees, Rolf has heart! proclaims Rolf. Lovely old lady, it is very good that superior German noble family has remained leader of United Kingdom, without them leadership would be British and country would be laughing stock within decade, adds Rolf.

Ambient

01-26-2012, 11:14 AM

Zapatista.

popo!

01-26-2012, 02:23 PM

^ thank you for at least trying to get on topic with this thread again, notes popo.

is all mememememe with me

01-26-2012, 03:14 PM

http://www.danceamanda.com/wp-content/gallery/usa/usa-flag-1.jpg

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

No, not really, you almost hold title of "laughing stock of W&C", notes Rolf. Though Rolf admits, it is very easy (for dyslexic fool) to confuse "7.62x39mm" and "7.62x51mm", admits Rolf.

what is that now? 4 times you've used that one? ..as i already stated i was trying to find video that would show what a 7.62 rifle round could do to someone who was banging on about .22s and shotguns. video like that is near impossible to find even on the interweb. that was the closest that could be found, so what? it was close enough to demonstrate my point. in fact i think it still demonstrated the point very well. any fool can realize that if an AK round can do that then an SLR round can do that+.

so your point is moot for the 4th time, move on merlin.

Shrike

01-27-2012, 01:00 AM

Considering the interesting history of Britannia, it would be correct to say that the "British" are an amalgamation of various ethnicities - as can be evidenced in the modern English language, notes Rolf. But, Rolf agrees, being British is more being of UK nationality than being of certain ethnicity, agrees Rolf.

Yeah exactly. You could call yourself English ethnicity I guess, though that would sound kind of weird, most people just say "i'm English". But no, I was rather taking offence at the way that Americans call English people British as a catch-all. Or the old classic "a British accent". What the fuck is that?

It's like calling people Europeans. Such a thing doesn't really exist, they are Germans, French, Italians etc.

rabbitweed

01-27-2012, 01:28 AM

Yeah exactly. You could call yourself English ethnicity I guess, though that would sound kind of weird, most people just say "i'm English". But no, I was rather taking offence at the way that Americans call English people British as a catch-all. Or the old classic "a British accent". What the fuck is that?

It's like calling people Europeans. Such a thing doesn't really exist, they are Germans, French, Italians etc.

Well I can't call myself English as I wasn't fucking born there was I. I am using the exact same pattern of language used throughout the english fucking language... what are people of Serbian descent called outside of Serbia? Ethnic Serbs. I'm of British descent (both English and Scottish), so what the fuck should I call myself? Oh I don't know, how about ethnic fucking British.

popo!

02-13-2012, 03:19 PM

bump bump bump it uppp

Darkhunter

02-13-2012, 03:23 PM

WW2 Germany until Hitler went nuts and stopped listening to his Generals.

Rolf

02-13-2012, 03:27 PM

Janissaries and Streltsy are worth mentioning, mentions Rolf.

http://varvar.ru/arhiv/slovo/images/janissary_16vek.jpg

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5788/streltsy.jpg

Shrike

02-19-2012, 09:44 PM

Well I can't call myself English as I wasn't fucking born there was I. I am using the exact same pattern of language used throughout the english fucking language... what are people of Serbian descent called outside of Serbia? Ethnic Serbs. I'm of British descent (both English and Scottish), so what the fuck should I call myself? Oh I don't know, how about ethnic fucking British.

Where were you born? America? Then you're American. Moron.

Yggdrasil

02-21-2012, 01:34 AM

Oh, the Grande Armée of Napoleonic France definitely deserves a mention. If for no other reason than the fact that they had a military march that sings the praises of onions, the aptly named "Chant of the Onion"

Chant de l'Oignon - YouTube

Freehand translation of the first stanza:

I like onions fried in oil
I like onions when they're good
I like onions fried in oil
I like onions, I like onions

... yeah, it sounds more poetic in French :o

rabbitweed

02-22-2012, 03:42 AM

Where were you born? America? Then you're American. Moron.

I genuinely refuse to believe someone is legitimately this stupid.

The Pat-Man

02-22-2012, 04:31 AM

lol its possible.

on topic praetorian guard.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Praetorian_GuardSoldiers_basrelief_cropped.jpg

http://www.histomin.com/linepeg/mppg7521.jpg

popo!

02-22-2012, 01:09 PM

Where were you born? America? Then you're American. Moron.

yeah, let's build back some goddamn nationalism, I'm sick of eurofags struttin' national pride for countries their parents left, and countrymen that don't give a fuck about them anymore. Most of their blood is mudd now anyways, no mutts allowed in the dog show last time i checked... AMERICA FOR AMERICANS! Once your here, you take the test, you know what you are.

Rolf

02-28-2012, 05:32 AM

German Landsknechts and their Swiss rivals were quite badass, proclaims Rolf.

Landsknechts

http://i40.tinypic.com/ivh0f9.png

Doppelsöldner

http://www.germanmilitaryhistory.com/img/upload/doblepay1.jpg

Swiss Mercenaries

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_k07pirzBU34/TOaZtXy9ooI/AAAAAAAAGXw/klRGcrMlIPs/s1600/pike1.jpg

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/3623/swiss3.jpg

And of course, the Catholic Knightly Orders:

Teutonic Knights

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/3408/61203817my3.jpg

Templar and Hospitaller, adds Rolf.

http://www.crystalinks.com/templarhospitallerknights.jpg

on topic praetorian guard.

Nothing says "badass royal guard" like murdering their emperor, smirks Rolf.

Duelist

02-28-2012, 05:42 AM

http://www.feldgrau.com/pk-65775.jpg

The Pat-Man

02-28-2012, 05:58 AM

i think the 101st and the 82nd during ww2 was pretty amazing, our first real special forces of any size.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/a_people_at_war/images/thumb_eisenhower_101st.jpghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-V9fbsoBLuTs/Tg_f-IeoJwI/AAAAAAAABlo/4_H2dK5xiak/s200/101st%2BBattle%2Bof%2Bthe%2BBulge.jpg

Rolf

02-28-2012, 06:19 AM

our first real special forces of any size.

That would be the Devil's Brigade, notes Rolf. Airborne ≠ Special Forces, adds Rolf.

The Pat-Man

02-28-2012, 06:41 AM

back then they were mang.

Rolf

02-28-2012, 07:59 AM

back then they were mang.

Not truly, both 101st and 82nd were/are conventional airborne divisions, states Rolf. OSS, Devil's Brigade, Army Rangers and Marine Raiders were the WWII US "Special Forces" groups, states Rolf.

Oct

02-28-2012, 09:47 AM

Let's get back on track a tad.

The Ottoman Turks in WWI were a pretty awesome military force, uniform wise at least, I mean who doesn't think fez hats and brimless pith helmets are cool? They did play a major role in the Middle Eastern theater of operations against the British commonwealth forces, which is usually downplayed compared to the Western and Eastern fronts.

http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l481/popo363/Ottoman/ottomans_col1.jpghttp://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l481/popo363/Ottoman/415.jpghttp://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l481/popo363/Ottoman/images.jpghttp://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l481/popo363/Ottoman/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-H29994_Liman_von_Sanders_mit_trkischen_Offizieren. jpg

Fuck the German uniform, particularly the SS was unbeatable even to this day. No wonder they got Hugo Boss to make it.

http://samods.org/staff/magic/articles/bw_campaign/uniform-ss_officers.gif

Even Ralph Fiennes looked cool as fuck in Schindler's List.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR5gQ-P75mboaFsrS9vFEVUH117El0nANY1ZS4iF1DQ22ELoijtLQ

Mantikore

02-28-2012, 10:39 AM

Probably Alexander's expeditionary force

Rolf

02-28-2012, 10:51 AM

Fuck the German uniform, particularly the SS was unbeatable even to this day.

Early Modern Hussars of various countries had the most badass uniforms, fact, proclaims Rolf.

Captain Falcon

02-28-2012, 10:59 AM

I don't think anyone can deny that the Moors kicked major ass

Rolf

02-28-2012, 11:03 AM

I don't think anyone can deny that the Moors kicked major ass

They did, agrees Rolf. Still, they were surpassed in military excellence by other Islamic states such as the Mamluks, Ottomans and Timurids/Mughals, states Rolf.

Captain Falcon

02-28-2012, 11:36 AM

They did, agrees Rolf. Still, they were surpassed in military excellence by other Islamic states such as the Mamluks, Ottomans and Timurids/Mughals, states Rolf.

I used to be a fan of the Ottomans and the Mughals till I read of both their declines. They died in a pitiful whimper. As a child of the subcontinent, I must say, I was disappointed by the Mughals greatly. The Mamluks were pretty badass and went out pretty well, too. My main disappointment was that the British empire, pretty much the most annoying empire in the history of the planet, took them both out, either directly or indirectly. Fuck those guys, they made everything less fun.

Rolf

02-28-2012, 11:40 AM

Fuck those guys, they made everything less fun.

Speak for yourself, the heathen Turks destroyed the glory that was Rome, this was a greater loss, notes Rolf.

Captain Falcon

02-28-2012, 11:46 AM

Speak for yourself, the heathen Turks destroyed the glory that was Rome, this was a greater loss, notes Rolf.

LOLRome. Rome = birthplace of hardcore gay porn.

Rolf

02-28-2012, 11:51 AM

LOLRome. Rome = birthplace of hardcore gay porn.

Speaking of archaic gay porn...

http://www.beyond-the-pale.co.uk/CircleSod.jpg

...however, 'tis time to get this thread back onto track, thinks Rolf.

Oct

02-28-2012, 10:06 PM

I used to be a fan of the Ottomans and the Mughals till I read of both their declines. They died in a pitiful whimper. As a child of the subcontinent, I must say, I was disappointed by the Mughals greatly. The Mamluks were pretty badass and went out pretty well, too. My main disappointment was that the British empire, pretty much the most annoying empire in the history of the planet, took them both out, either directly or indirectly. Fuck those guys, they made everything less fun.

Ahhh one thing us Brits can be proud of, we had the GREATEST empire on earth.

Speaking of archaic gay porn...

http://www.beyond-the-pale.co.uk/CircleSod.jpg

...however, 'tis time to get this thread back onto track, thinks Rolf.

You can't be fucking serious wtf??? :lol:

The Pat-Man

03-01-2012, 02:24 AM

I used to be a fan of the Ottomans and the Mughals till I read of both their declines. They died in a pitiful whimper. As a child of the subcontinent, I must say, I was disappointed by the Mughals greatly. The Mamluks were pretty badass and went out pretty well, too. My main disappointment was that the British empire, pretty much the most annoying empire in the history of the planet, took them both out, either directly or indirectly. Fuck those guys, they made everything less fun.

of course the filthy paki is mad at the british empire.

Rolf

03-01-2012, 02:33 AM

of course the filthy paki is mad at the british empire.

Paki should probably like British Empire, without it Pakistan would still rightfully be part of India, notes Rolf.

The Pat-Man

03-01-2012, 04:19 AM

by paki i mean general mud person, i think hes persian or some shit.

Rolf

03-01-2012, 04:24 AM

by paki i mean general mud person, i think hes persian or some shit.

Persia is not that bad, they heavily influenced Byzantine, East Slavic, Turkic and Mongolic strategy, arms and armour during the middle ages, not to mention their greatness during ancient times, states Rolf. Like Greece though, modern Persia is basically a laughing stock whose time of greatness is long since past and no longer matters, proclaims Rolf.

Captain Falcon

03-01-2012, 08:05 AM

of course the filthy paki is mad at the british empire.

I don't know why everyone thinks I care about race. I honestly find it impossible to be offended by racial insults, because my race in no way reflects my behaviour and racists are the only category that generalizing as "stupid" is 100% accurate for.

For example, I can acknowledge that the British were pretty much an unstoppable global juggernaut at an earlier point in history. I just generally dislike the Mughals and the Ottoman's not because they lost or to whom but HOW; they died in a pathetic whimper that brings shame upon the history of their entire civilizations.

Also, the Mongols were another horde that pretty much sweeped the globe and managed to be almost unstoppable. It's a shame only Changez could it together. After he died, his entire kingdom began to bitchfight and broke up one of the most expansive land empires in history.

popo!

03-02-2012, 02:56 PM

rabbitweed

03-04-2012, 11:37 AM

Where were you born? America? Then you're American. Moron.

I can't get over how stupid you are for not knowing the difference between someones ethnicity and where someone is born. That is all.

Rolf

03-04-2012, 12:06 PM

I just generally dislike the Mughals and the Ottoman's not because they lost or to whom but HOW; they died in a pathetic whimper that brings shame upon the history of their entire civilizations.

Oh, the number of civilizations that ended up like this, notes Rolf. Rome, Persia, Britain, Spain, Macedonia, the Mamluks, Mongolia, Qing, the list goes on, proclaims Rolf.

After he died, his entire kingdom began to bitchfight and broke up one of the most expansive land empires in history.

Another example would be Alexander the Great, on his deathbed he supposedly answered "the strongest" when asked who would rule his kingdom, states Rolf. You can guess what happened, his Generals had a number of various wars over who obtains what and they splintered in a similar fashion to the Mongol Empire, explains Rolf.

I can't get over how stupid you are for not knowing the difference between someones ethnicity and where someone is born. That is all.

Nationality is New Zealander, ethnicity is White New Zealander, what is so difficult to understand about this? asks Rolf. Unless you have something to add to the topic without derailing it further, Rolf asks said rabbitweed to cease posting in this thread, asks Rolf kindly.

roasted

03-04-2012, 12:20 PM

Alexander the Great, on his deathbed he supposedly answered "the strongest" when asked who would rule his kingdom, states Rolf.

Thats how a true OG dies...

Rolf

03-04-2012, 12:21 PM

Thats how a true OG dies...

'Tis pretty entertaining, agrees Rolf. Not so much for the people that have to suffer pain, death and poverty, however, adds Rolf.

J.P.W

03-04-2012, 12:27 PM

Night elves, those fuckers have been around for thousands of years.

popo!

03-05-2012, 12:02 AM

I can't get over how stupid you are for not knowing the difference between someones ethnicity and where someone is born. That is all.

Ethnicity... we are all from AFRICA if you want to go back far enough, but I you're saying ethnicity has a cut off date. That you are ethnically where your ancestors were 100 or 1000 years ago but not 10000 years ago? I must laugh at this statement. Adhere to your current culture and society or you're just wanking yourself off.

Tachosomoza

03-05-2012, 12:24 AM

Ethnicity has a cut off date? WTF? It's all relative. That's like saying a gibbon is as related to a Negro as a Negro is to a Mongoloid. Why do nonwhite communist on this website try to derail every thread into a race debate? Gene pools differ significantly even amongst the modern classifications of race.

Fuck off.

http://ph.cdn.photos.upi.com/sv/ph/UPI-51691328467085/0fe717e8955bc2397cfa043d7c4a0290/Castro-releases-memoirs.jpg

http://www.cpcml.ca/images2011/LatAmCarribean/Cuba/File/19610419-CubaVictoryPlayaGiron-crop.jpg

Cuban Revolutionary Forces

http://sethandray.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/colombia_farc_20rebels_20march_20in_20la_20macaren a_preview.jpg

Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ZUB-nCDyOeY/TKFoZsIfRVI/AAAAAAAABBI/3hlVupAalIk/s1600/ezln-rifles.jpg

Zapatista Army of National Liberation

Tachosomoza

03-05-2012, 12:43 AM

Yggdrasil

03-05-2012, 12:44 AM

http://sethandray.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/colombia_farc_20rebels_20march_20in_20la_20macaren a_preview.jpg

Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia

Colombian armed forces-- raping leftist guerrillas since 1964

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2529/3765577305_5640fd465b_o.jpghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-yuvRzQV0aAY/TZCngpdlk5I/AAAAAAAAAyM/S_RbhdSCVS8/s1600/colombian+navy+good+morning+colombia+news.jpghttp://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01293/army_1293504c.jpg

Tachosomoza

03-05-2012, 12:46 AM

Colombian armed forces-- supporting the CIA agenda since 1964

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2529/3765577305_5640fd465b_o.jpghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-yuvRzQV0aAY/TZCngpdlk5I/AAAAAAAAAyM/S_RbhdSCVS8/s1600/colombian+navy+good+morning+colombia+news.jpghttp://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01293/army_1293504c.jpg

You're just butthurt because you're descended from Colombian bourgeoisie. :o

The Pat-Man

03-05-2012, 03:07 AM

Colombian armed forces-- raping leftist guerrillas since 1964

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2529/3765577305_5640fd465b_o.jpghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-yuvRzQV0aAY/TZCngpdlk5I/AAAAAAAAAyM/S_RbhdSCVS8/s1600/colombian+navy+good+morning+colombia+news.jpghttp://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01293/army_1293504c.jpg

watched a documentary on those guys raping some narcos and they kick serious culo.

The Pat-Man

03-05-2012, 03:08 AM

Fuck off.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ZUB-nCDyOeY/TKFoZsIfRVI/AAAAAAAABBI/3hlVupAalIk/s1600/ezln-rifles.jpg

Zapatista Army of National Liberation

oh god its all over buddy you're too far gone.

Tachosomoza

03-05-2012, 03:09 AM

FARC has actually given up taking prisoners of war. That was one of their main ways of making money for their struggle.

oh god its all over buddy you're too far gone.

I'm assuming you're against them because they're anti-imperialist and aren't supported by the CIA?

Rolf

03-05-2012, 03:51 AM

Probably about time that the Norse were mentioned, despite the majority of Vikings being organised into bands as opposed to organised military forces, states Rolf. The Norse were skilled sailors, explorers, warriors and raiders, the Norwegian Vikings were the first Europeans to discover the North American continent, they also settled Iceland and Swedish Vikings who travelled east laid the foundations for what later became Russia, explains Rolf. In addition the Vikings were capable of sailing down even shallow rivers due to the shallow hull of their longships, even larger inland cities such as Paris, Novgorod and Hamburg were not safe from Viking raids and some cities even paid them tribute to prevent attacks, states Rolf. Due to their martial abilities and loyalty, many Vikings served in the Eastern Roman (Byzantine) army as Varangian Guard, one of the personal bodyguard retinues of the Emperor, adds Rolf.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0vhyQjYMZaA/Rk7TglSMLEI/AAAAAAAAAW8/bsCJy7zeawc/s400/Viking008.jpghttp://www.essentialnormanconquest.com/images/osehncimages/osehnc17301.JPGhttp://www.essentialnormanconquest.com/images/osehncimages/osehnc00201.JPGhttp://img215.imageshack.us/img215/1742/viking.png

Also worthy of mention are the Gauls, the Celtic people of continental Europe who were a major enemy of the Roman Republic, states Rolf. Respected by the Romans as skilled warriors, the Gauls weren't a military in the modern sense and were instead organised into a tribal structure, they were less barbarian than their British relatives and most Gallic warbands consisted of a core of well-armed professional warriors surrounded by a levy of lightly-equipped infantry that typically fought in formation, explains Rolf. The vast majority of Gallic warriors fought on foot, though they were also known for their skilled skirmisher cavalry, originally as charioteers and later as horsemen, who would throw javelins at their enemies and retreat before they could be attacked, adds Rolf. Known for their skilled craftsmanship, Gallic weapons heavily influenced their Roman neighbours; chain mail was a Gallic invention and the Celtic "iron age sword" was the predecessor to the Roman gladius, spatha and the "Viking sword", which itself as a predecessor to all Medieval European straight-bladed swords, explains Rolf. Many Gauls found work as mercenaries in both Roman armies and those of her enemies, adds Rolf.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/steppemerc/celt2.jpghttp://www.cyber-hobby.com/shop/images/modelkits/IT06858.jpghttp://lh3.ggpht.com/_s7ox34r59mc/TGVe63U66lI/AAAAAAAAAC4/9UMOZCr55Hk/Gallic%20noble%20warrior,%201st%20century%20BC.jpg http://images48.fotosik.pl/222/f4d285b9a8113986.jpg

You're just butthurt because you're descended from Colombian bourgeoisie. :o

If you weren't such a damn idiot maybe you'd notice that amongst normal people, being called "bourgeoisie" is not an insult, notes Rolf. Then again if you weren't such an idiot maybe you wouldn't follow a political ideology that has proven to be a failure time and time again, proclaims Rolf.

FARC has actually given up taking prisoners of war. That was one of their main ways of making money for their struggle.

FARC should collectively give fellatio to their firearms, proclaims Rolf. Another violent minority of "revolutionaries" that think they should have the control of the majority and are not adverse to using both kidnappings and drug cultivation to fund their terrorist actions against both the government and innocent civilians, states Rolf. The fact that you support the wishes of a violent minority against the majority is just further evidence that you are a self-centred idiot, proclaims Rolf.

Tachosomoza

03-05-2012, 03:55 AM

I was saying that I can understand why he'd be against FARC. He's descended from Columbian elites, and FARC is a revolutionary leftist force that expropriates their unjustly obtained wealth.

rabbitweed

03-05-2012, 04:41 AM

Nationality is New Zealander, ethnicity is White New Zealander, what is so difficult to understand about this? asks Rolf. Unless you have something to add to the topic without derailing it further, Rolf asks said rabbitweed to cease posting in this thread, asks Rolf kindly.

You tell me to stop derailing this thread right after you choose an ethnicity for me and tell me to accept it? Fuck off :P

rabbitweed

03-05-2012, 04:43 AM

Adhere to your current culture and society or you're just wanking yourself off.

What the fuck does recognising your ethnicity have to do with your local culture? Can one not acknowledge where there ancestory is, and where their race is from? Besides white NZ barely has a culture, and I'm only second generation in a very, very newly discovered part of the world.

Rolf

03-05-2012, 04:48 AM

You tell me to stop derailing this thread right after you choose an ethnicity for me and tell me to accept it?

Make a few on-topic and contributing posts, then we talk, proclaims Rolf.

L33tz

03-05-2012, 04:50 AM

I wouldn't call the EZLN historical and they don't really have much of a uniform.

just a badass spokesperson haha.

subcomandante marcos sin pasamontaÃ±as - YouTube

rabbitweed

03-05-2012, 04:50 AM

Tachosomoza

03-05-2012, 04:53 AM

You know what, this conversation IS utterly retarded. I'm not going to let a bunch of faggots tell me what my ethnicity it is and how I am allowed to define myself. In short - get fucked. I'm a colonist and proud of it.

On topic, the Rhodesian Security Forces, my ethnic British cousins:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/db/Rhodesian_Army_emblem_%28republic%29.png

No, you're an ungrateful invader and idiot looking for something to belong to. Like a locust or cockroach.

On topic, Umkhonto we Sizwe, the armed wing of the ANC and South African Communist Party.

Rolf

03-05-2012, 04:54 AM

No, you're an ungrateful invader.

And the circle of off-topic retardation is complete... ponders Rolf. Next you will add reference to various non-military far-left terrorist groups in an attempt to appear on topi.... oh wait, adds Rolf.

rabbitweed

03-05-2012, 05:01 AM

On topic, Umkhonto we Sizwe, the armed wing of the ANC and South African Communist Party.

Which of their civilian bombings were your favourite?

Tachosomoza

03-05-2012, 05:06 AM

Which of their civilian bombings were your favourite?

Which of the genocides/illegal occupations/broken treaties/lootings of the UK was your favorite? You don't expect occupied people to fight by the oppressors' rules, do you?

Rolf, the definition of military and of terrorist depends on the person defining. If you can define military as the armed forces of an arbitrarily defined and oppressive state or nation, I can define military as an armed group engaged in a struggle for the overthrow of an oppressive regime or illegal colonial occupation.

Rolf

03-05-2012, 05:08 AM

Which of the genocides/illegal occupations/broken treaties of the UK was your favorite?

The Holodomor... oh wait, better not mention that murderous law-breaking regime, you get an erection every time somebody does, adds Rolf.

The Pat-Man

03-05-2012, 05:10 AM

tacho even from a subjective viewpoint u gettin raped.

Tachosomoza

03-05-2012, 05:11 AM

Now, where have I said that I think Stalin was a nice man, Rolf? Don't be an idiot.

Like I said, if you kids can sit here and fap to images of thugs from empires that exported theft, colonialism and oppression around the globe and call them military, I can post images of irregular forces that combated said oppression and they're just as legitimate.

Rolf

03-05-2012, 05:25 AM

Now, where have I said that I think Stalin was a nice man, Rolf? Don't be an idiot.

You always profess your love for the murderous regime of the Soviet Union, notes Rolf. But it's acceptable to murder democratically elected rival political parties and innocent women and children, adds Rolf.

Like I said, if you kids can sit here and fap to images of thugs from empires that exported theft, colonialism and oppression around the globe and call them military, I can post images of irregular forces that combated said oppression and they're just as legitimate.

Military are armed forces, now even if these armed forces are "thugs from empires that exported theft, colonialism and waah waah waah", they are still military, proclaims Rolf. Terrorists are not military forces, if you want to make a thread regarding favorite historical insurgencies, feel free, until then get the fuck out of this thread and save us your political bullshit that nobody gives a fuck about, demands Rolf.

Tachosomoza

03-05-2012, 05:28 AM

You always profess your love for the murderous regime of the Soviet Union, notes Rolf. But it's acceptable to murder democratically elected rival political parties and innocent women and children, adds Rolf.

Military are armed forces, now even if these armed forces are "thugs from empires that exported theft, colonialism and waah waah waah", they are still military, proclaims Rolf. Terrorists are not military forces, if you want to make a thread regarding favorite historical insurgencies, feel free, until then get the fuck out of this thread and save us your political bullshit that nobody gives a fuck about, demands Rolf.

So are the "terrorists". These definitions and distinctions are entirely personal, depending on who you ask.

Rolf

03-05-2012, 05:32 AM

So are the "terrorists". Those definitions and distinctions are entirely personal, depending on who you ask.

"Armed forces" represent a government or nation, insurgent racial-marxists and narco-terrorists are not military forces, cut the bullshit and go make your thread regarding favorite historical insurgent groups... or are you afraid less will pay attention to your bullshit when you're not dragging other threads into your typical off-topic politicized nonsense? asks Rolf curiously.

popo!

03-06-2012, 05:33 AM

Have you no respect for your ancestors?

No fuck them, i only have respect for my fellow countrymen that are here and now and want to make an honest living out of this shithole.

popo!

03-07-2012, 02:36 PM

Which of their civilian bombings were your favourite?

The ones that killed the most Afrikaans that supported apartheid and that little perversion of a society. Very strange, very strange indeed.

Tachosomoza

03-07-2012, 02:39 PM

The ones that killed the most Afrikaans that supported apartheid and that little perversion of a society. Very strange, very strange indeed.

I notice he didn't criticize the IRA for doing the same thing. Prejudiced, much?

The Pat-Man

03-07-2012, 03:13 PM

what happened to your thread there tacho?

rabbitweed

03-08-2012, 06:43 AM

The ones that killed the most Afrikaans that supported apartheid and that little perversion of a society. Very strange, very strange indeed.

MK killed far more blacks than whites. Also tell me, what is an "Afrikaans"? You seem like an expert on South African history.

rabbitweed

03-08-2012, 06:44 AM

I notice he didn't criticize the IRA for doing the same thing. Prejudiced, much?

Do you think I'm a fan of the Provisional IRA?

is all mememememe with me

03-08-2012, 09:56 AM

http://www.confusionroad.com/article_images/vietcong_veterans.jpg

Oh, yeah, I forgot the Viet Cong. Sent the arrogant, bloated US occupation forces and their South Vietnamese puppets running scared. :thumbsup:

the seminole indians were never truly conquered by the US either, so they probably deserve a mention.

Communicate

03-08-2012, 10:07 AM

Military are armed forces, now even if these armed forces are "thugs from empires that exported theft, colonialism and waah waah waah", they are still military, proclaims Rolf. Terrorists are not military forces, if you want to make a thread regarding favorite historical insurgencies, feel free, until then get the fuck out of this thread and save us your political bullshit that nobody gives a fuck about, demands Rolf.

Terrorists are those who attack 'innocents' (to varying degrees) directly, rather than military or state targets. In the way, a state's armed forces can be terrorists just as non-state military groups can be.

Armed groups not supported by the state are not necessarily, nor even that often, terrorist groups. Beyond that, many non-state armed groups who are fighting a war have more legitimacy than state armies.

Finally, military does not have to be limited to state entities. The state is not the only way of a social existence. Would the forces of vercengetorix not be a military? What about the private armies of the british east india corporation? What about the armed taliban forces?

Oct

03-08-2012, 04:07 PM

Which of the genocides/illegal occupations/broken treaties/lootings of the UK was your favorite? You don't expect occupied people to fight by the oppressors' rules, do you?

If you can define military as the armed forces of an arbitrarily defined and oppressive state or nation, I can define military as an armed group engaged in a struggle for the overthrow of an oppressive regime or illegal colonial occupation.

Lets not forget the Soviet Union's rape and bloody carve up of Poland? Or what about the lovely Soviet invasion of Afghanistan? These are both acts of illegal occupations/ broken treaties & most of all...lootings

http://www.worldandi.com/newhome/public/2004/january/graphics/Ci2pub1.jpg Would you define these as guerillas or a military?

http://www.lituanus.org/2006/06_3%20Mujahadin%201.jpg Mujahideen fighters: Military or defenders from Colonial Opressors??

The Pat-Man

03-08-2012, 04:13 PM

castro kind of looks like liam neeson.

mr.blunt

03-08-2012, 04:15 PM

havent read this thread but the devils brigade/1st special service forces were badass as fuck. and canadian.

Tachosomoza

03-08-2012, 04:36 PM

Rolf

03-08-2012, 05:04 PM

Terrorists are those who attack 'innocents' (to varying degrees) directly, rather than military or state targets. In the way, a state's armed forces can be terrorists just as non-state military groups can be.

Ok, shrugs Rolf.

Armed groups not supported by the state are not necessarily, nor even that often, terrorist groups. Beyond that, many non-state armed groups who are fighting a war have more legitimacy than state armies.

According to thou, notes Rolf.

Finally, military does not have to be limited to state entities.

A military is a states armed forces, organizations that are similar but are not the armed forces of a state are called paramilitary, 'tis a rather complex word, isn't it? asks Rolf sarcastically. The Legions of Rome were a military force, the Auxilia of Rome are typically seen as a paramilitary force, adds Rolf.

Would the forces of vercengetorix not be a military?

Very arguably, especially considering that the vast majority of the Gaulish forces were irregulars and came from a various number of tribes; they did not represent a nation but a confederation of tribes allied to fight only to fight a common foe, explains Rolf. Once again paramilitary, not military, adds Rolf.

What about the private armies of the british east india corporation?

Essentially mercenaries, therefore paramilitary, states Rolf. Still, if you were legitimately talking about the troops of the East India Company and not trying to politicize the thread with your typical bullshit that most users are sick of, there would be little issue, proclaims Rolf.

What about the armed taliban forces?

Currently the Taliban are an insurgency, therefore paramilitary, originally they were a militia, also paramilitary, explains Rolf. During their time as the government of Afghanistan the Afghan military shared some similarities with tribal militias as opposed to a true military, but during this time they could be considered a military force, explains Rolf.

Again, you and Rolf are the only ones bringing up the USSR in this thread.

Mentioning the Red Army in a thread about historical military forces? asks Rolf curiously. BLASPHEMY! proclaims Rolf sarcastically.

popo!

03-09-2012, 05:22 AM

Lets not forget the Soviet Union's rape and bloody carve up of Poland? Or what about the lovely Soviet invasion of Afghanistan? These are both acts of illegal occupations/ broken treaties & most of all...lootings

http://www.worldandi.com/newhome/public/2004/january/graphics/Ci2pub1.jpg Would you define these as guerillas or a military?

http://www.lituanus.org/2006/06_3%20Mujahadin%201.jpg Mujahideen fighters: Military or defenders from Colonial Opressors??
The Soviet Invasion was hardly illegal, they were formally asked to aid the afghan regular army by the government of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan. Years prior to the war Soviet contractors were in the DRA building factories and schools to help modernize that backwards nation. The Communist Party of Afghanistan did not denounce Islam, but did denounce its teachings of female inferiority. Women in Kabul did not wear burkas, nor did men have to wear beards or turbans. This angered feeble minded fundamentalists in the tribal regions. The Soviets had the whole country stabalized in the first years of the war, until the ancient minded religious zealots magically were given stinger missiles. The war in Afghanistan continued after the Soviet withdrawal, and the Islamic fundamentalists rained victorious due to the extensive aid provided by the CIA to the "freedom fighters."

And the People's Republic of Poland was no more "occupied" by the Soviet Union than West Germany was by the United States. A good portion of Pols look back on this period of the 60s and 70s as a great time in Polish history as it was the first time in history that Poland had a strong and protected national identity, a military pact that ensured it's protection, and a seat in the international council of nations. You must really learn your history.

Tachosomoza

03-09-2012, 05:26 AM

The Soviet Invasion was hardly illegal, they were formally asked to aid the afghan regular army by the government of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan. The war in Afghanistan continued after the Soviet withdrawal, and the Islamic fundamentalists rained victorious due to the extensive aid provided by the CIA to the "freedom fighters." And the People's Republic of Poland was no more "occupied" by the Soviet Union than West Germany was by the United States. You must really learn your history.

Who are now killing NATO troops in Afghanistan with weaponry courtesy of Donald Rumsfeld, Caspar Weinberger, and Ronald Reagan. Cool.

The Pat-Man

03-09-2012, 05:28 AM

The Soviet Invasion was hardly illegal, they were formally asked to aid the afghan regular army by the government of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan. The war in Afghanistan continued after the Soviet withdrawal, and the Islamic fundamentalists rained victorious due to the extensive aid provided by the CIA to the "freedom fighters." And the People's Republic of Poland was no more "occupied" by the Soviet Union than West Germany was by the United States. A good portion of Pols look back on this period of the 60s and 70s as a great time in Polish history as it was the first time in history that Poland had a strong and protected national identity, a military pact that ensured it's protection, and a seat in the international council of nations. You must really learn your history.

Have you been to Poland? Go there and speak Russian to a random Pole.

popo!

03-09-2012, 05:35 AM

Have you been to Poland? Go there and speak Russian to a random Pole.

I have talked to Pols that lived there and experienced life there. Just because they did not always have the nicest things, and agree with the government did not mean they were not proud to be Polish or of their country. The Warsaw Pact was made in their capital.

The Pat-Man

03-09-2012, 05:36 AM

any pole i talked to born before 80 or so could not stand russians or anything they stood for.

popo!

03-09-2012, 05:37 AM

any pole i talked to born before 80 or so could not stand russians or anything they stood for.

Poland was not Russia.

"Post-communism nostalgia can be in some part a kind of proof that the transformation process in this region of Europe is still unfinished and Poland (among other countries) has stood astride between socialism and capitalism. It can be also a result of the unfulfilled expectations of a new and better future for the newly liberated nations."
^
http://changeandresistance.blogspot.com/2006/12/post-communism-nostalgia-in-poland.html

Tachosomoza

03-09-2012, 05:47 AM

The Communist Party is making a pretty heavy comeback in the Russian Federation as well, albeit with a new pseudo-xenophobic veneer.

The Pat-Man

03-09-2012, 05:50 AM

The Communist Party is making a pretty heavy comeback in the Russian Federation as well, albeit with a new pseudo-xenophobic veneer.

look at any youtube video no one takes those fucks seriously.

mr.blunt

03-09-2012, 05:53 AM

canadian beavers are wiping out russian beavers. my second favourite military

The Pat-Man

03-09-2012, 05:55 AM

lol out of thanks.

Darkhunter

03-09-2012, 06:03 AM

canadian beavers are wiping out russian beavers. my second favourite military

It's the beaver mafia man.

popo!

03-09-2012, 12:53 PM

look at any youtube video no one takes those fucks seriously.

They have only gained marginal percentages, not lost, and after these latest "un-tampered" democratic elections, they will only gain more support as the Russian democracy becomes more transparent.

Oct

03-09-2012, 02:45 PM

The Soviet Invasion was hardly illegal, they were formally asked to aid the afghan regular army by the government of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan. Years prior to the war Soviet contractors were in the DRA building factories and schools to help modernize that backwards nation. The Communist Party of Afghanistan did not denounce Islam, but did denounce its teachings of female inferiority. Women in Kabul did not wear burkas, nor did men have to wear beards or turbans. This angered feeble minded fundamentalists in the tribal regions. The Soviets had the whole country stabalized in the first years of the war, until the ancient minded religious zealots magically were given stinger missiles. The war in Afghanistan continued after the Soviet withdrawal, and the Islamic fundamentalists rained victorious due to the extensive aid provided by the CIA to the "freedom fighters."

And the People's Republic of Poland was no more "occupied" by the Soviet Union than West Germany was by the United States. A good portion of Pols look back on this period of the 60s and 70s as a great time in Polish history as it was the first time in history that Poland had a strong and protected national identity, a military pact that ensured it's protection, and a seat in the international council of nations. You must really learn your history.

Fail, and every Pol enjoying being part of the Soviet Union, WTF??? Nearly all ex pats from Poland i have asked said living under USSR was the worst years of their life hence them moving abroad for a "better life" as soon as the wall came down. The same feeling was shared amongst East Germans which begs the question: How many people did you hear about climbing over to the East side for a new life? :picard:

I'm sick of every dumb ass commie sympathizer preaching how the world would be great if we all turned Red. If it's such a great political system why is there few countries left that practice it? Why, cause it sucks and will never work without complete acceptance and co operation of the country as a whole. Please, please, tell me 1 country that has benefitted from it. At one time i thought it was a good idea but no one can deny the universal suffering of those who have lived under it. Not one of those countries has become democratic (maybe Chile before Allende's assassination), instead there is one leader who without fail turns into an ego, power mad maniac in some way or another. OK, Chile's follwing regime did no better with regards to being democaratic but at least Pinochet boosted the country's economy, this cannot be denied. Had he, Pinochet, left it to Allende, Chile would surely be a recipient of Bob Geldoff's annual Band Aid charity to this day.

Yes the Islamic fundamentalists did reign victorious before splitting into different factions, one of which would restructure and eventually become The Taliban. The very weapons given to them to fight off the Soviets are being used against US forces. How ironic...

Communicate

03-09-2012, 03:59 PM

I'm sick of every dumb ass commie sympathizer preaching how the world would be great if we all turned Red. If it's such a great political system why is there few countries left that practice it?

There never has been a 'country' (by which I suppose, you mean state) that practices 'it'. It wouldn't even possible for a single state to do so, if we're being purists.

rabbitweed

03-09-2012, 08:06 PM

There never has been a 'country' (by which I suppose, you mean state) that practices 'it'. It wouldn't even possible for a single state to do so, if we're being purists.

Tacho claims to be a socialist and empathises with state capitalism, however.

Tachosomoza

03-09-2012, 08:12 PM

You people really need to read before you try to discuss something. Read the stickies.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/learning-f43/index.html

The Pat-Man

03-09-2012, 08:14 PM

You people really need to read before you try to discuss something. Read the stickies.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/learning-f43/index.html

yea because a website called revleft is gonna have a balanced viewpoint.

rabbitweed

03-09-2012, 08:28 PM

You people really need to read before you try to discuss something. Read the stickies.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/learning-f43/index.html

I was a communist from ages 12-15. Giving that negroid intellectual capacity wouldn't extend much past that, if at all, I'm positive I know more than you do.

Tachosomoza

03-09-2012, 08:30 PM

I was a USSR fetishist from ages 12-15.

Ok.

Rolf

03-10-2012, 12:17 AM

Sassanid cavalry, especially the Cataphracts, were awesome and influential on future cavalry forces of Byzantium, Eastern Europe and the Near-East, but Rolf will not go into detail, states Rolf. As it would seem that Rolf has forgotten the topic of this thread, but only after everybody else has, adds Rolf.

The Communist Party is making a pretty heavy comeback in the Russian Federation as well

Considering how poor the choices are, 'tis no surprise there are nostalgic voters that support a Communist party, notes Rolf. Then again, Zhirinovsky and his party of "Liberal Democrats" actually also have a following, so people are obviously retarded, proclaims Rolf.

Have you been to Poland? Go there and speak Russian to a random Pole.

Most of Russia's neighbours hate Russia for the same reason that most of Turkey's hate Turkey; because they were all for a large part of their modern history subjugated vassals of these states, notes Rolf. Any nation that has or once had a large military force which they used to spread influence and borders will have enemies, Anti-Americanism is not going to disappear any time soon due to this, states Rolf.

They have only gained marginal percentages, not lost, and after these latest "un-tampered" democratic elections, they will only gain more support as the Russian democracy becomes more transparent.

True democracy will never exist in Russia, even less so than it ever will in the West, proclaims Rolf. One can thank Lenin and his thugs for that, after all they were the ones to take power with violence after losing the first (and arguably only) democratic election, notes Rolf.

Ok.

At least he was only one from 12-15, unlike some far-left leaning ex-moderators on Zoklet, notes Rolf.

Tachosomoza

03-10-2012, 12:31 AM

Yeah, I saw a YouTube video in which Zhirinovsky said that violence against citizens of former Soviet republics (Uzbekistan, Caucasians, etc.) and other non Slavs should be promoted as defense of nation. Russia is a basketcase.

rabbitweed

03-10-2012, 04:29 AM

Ok.

Nope, I quite quickly realised the the USSR was never a true workers state, except maybe at the very beginning.

Tachosomoza

03-10-2012, 04:37 AM

Nope, I quite quickly realised the the USSR was never a true workers state, except maybe at the very beginning.

True. It was an imperialistic monster, in which the aristocrats were replaced by the military and bureaucrats. Stalin fucked up all sorts of shit. The Red Army Choir is still cool though.

There March The Soldiers - Red Army Choir - YouTube

Also, don't ever call me a state capitalist again.

rabbitweed

03-10-2012, 05:25 AM

True. It was an imperialistic monster, in which the aristocrats were replaced by the military and bureaucrats. Stalin fucked up all sorts of shit. The Red Army Choir is still cool though.

There March The Soldiers - Red Army Choir - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn7rYISuUpw)

Also, don't ever call me a state capitalist again.

The Soviet Union turned to state capitalism as soon as the actual soviets were abolished.

Tachosomoza

03-10-2012, 05:33 AM

The Soviet Union turned to state capitalism as soon as the actual soviets were abolished.

*shrugs*

Sure. The class divisions were between those who did wage labor in factories and on farms and those who ran them (bureaucrats). The state which the bureaucrats represented owned the means of production.

You going to post some more troops or keep ranting about the fundamentals of the Soviet Union? My PM box is open.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/10/24/article-1080493-027F9A8D0000044D-136_468x383.jpg

http://baltic-review.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/red-army-pobeda_1.jpg

popo!

03-10-2012, 06:55 PM

Fail, and every Pol enjoying being part of the Soviet Union, WTF??? Nearly all ex pats from Poland i have asked said living under USSR was the worst years of their

You need to learn your history, I will say it again.

Rolf

03-10-2012, 10:46 PM

You need to learn your history, I will say it again.

For all practical purposes "People's Republic" of Poland was both satellite and puppet of Soviet Union, proclaims Rolf. Most Poles rightfully see the Cold War period as a period where Poland was Russia's little bitch, adds Rolf.

popo!

03-11-2012, 04:49 AM

For all practical purposes "People's Republic" of Poland was both satellite and puppet of Soviet Union, proclaims Rolf. Most Poles rightfully see the Cold War period as a period where Poland was Russia's little bitch, adds Rolf.

What isn't a satellite state in the world of super powers, proclaims popo? Even the most sovereign nations with little international influence fall into spheres of influence to some extent or another.

And what period did the pols have to look back on happily before the communist period? The pre-nazi invsion period, where they were a fledgeling republic ripe for collapse; or perhaps the pre-world war I period when they were a territory of Germany, a region that gave the German Empire the Red Baron, a native son to the current land of Poland more commonly recognized as the greatest GERMAN aviator in history. Poland is a damned nation with a damned past, but they were looked upon most seriously by the international community as a member of the Warsaw pack, not as a bitch level member of NATO.

Rolf

03-11-2012, 05:36 AM

What isn't a satellite state in the world of super powers, proclaims popo? Even the most sovereign nations with little international influence fall into spheres of influence to some extent or another.

Without ranting too much, examples of Cold War-era countries that weren't satellite states would be Finland, Sweden and Switzerland, notes Rolf.

And what period did the pols have to look back on happily before the communist period? The pre-nazi invsion period, where they were a fledgeling republic ripe for collapse; or perhaps the pre-world war I period when they were a territory of Germany,

Rolf suggests first spelling "Poles" correctly, secondly learning of a rather large early-modern state, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, who amongst other things saved Western Europe from the Ottomans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna), notes Rolf.

a region that gave the German Empire the Red Baron, a native son to the current land of Poland more commonly recognized as the greatest GERMAN aviator in history.

Really? asks Rolf sarcastically. During that time in history Silesia Inferior was a part of Germany, and the Richthofen family (of which the Red Baron is a member) is a German aristocratic family, not Polish-speaking nor ethnically Polish, notes Rolf. The whole of Central Europe and the Baltic is extremely ethnically diverse, one's birthplace does not exactly define their ethnicity or culture, explains Rolf.

Poland is a damned nation with a damned past, but they were looked upon most seriously by the international community as a member of the Warsaw pack, not as a bitch level member of NATO.

Poland made the mistake of being between Germany and Russia and trying to fuck with both, proclaims Rolf. The greatest time in Polish history was the Commonwealth era, adds Rolf.

Tachosomoza

03-11-2012, 05:43 AM

The Poles have an awesome anthem, though.

Polish National Anthem + English Subtitles - YouTube

popo!

03-17-2012, 12:01 AM

^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw6rO8XOGpI

Rolf

03-26-2012, 10:17 AM

Do not forget Kislev and the Druchii! resuscitates Rolf.

popo!

07-24-2012, 04:55 AM

http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l481/popo363/russ6.jpg

popo!

07-26-2012, 07:46 PM

Fail, and every Pol enjoying being part of the Soviet Union, WTF??? Nearly all ex pats from Poland i have asked said living under USSR was the worst years of their life hence them moving abroad for a "better life" as soon as the wall came down. The same feeling was shared amongst East Germans which begs the question: How many people did you hear about climbing over to the East side for a new life? :picard:

I'm sick of every dumb ass commie sympathizer preaching how the world would be great if we all turned Red. If it's such a great political system why is there few countries left that practice it? Why, cause it sucks and will never work without complete acceptance and co operation of the country as a whole. Please, please, tell me 1 country that has benefitted from it. At one time i thought it was a good idea but no one can deny the universal suffering of those who have lived under it. Not one of those countries has become democratic (maybe Chile before Allende's assassination), instead there is one leader who without fail turns into an ego, power mad maniac in some way or another. OK, Chile's follwing regime did no better with regards to being democaratic but at least Pinochet boosted the country's economy, this cannot be denied. Had he, Pinochet, left it to Allende, Chile would surely be a recipient of Bob Geldoff's annual Band Aid charity to this day.

Yes the Islamic fundamentalists did reign victorious before splitting into different factions, one of which would restructure and eventually become The Taliban. The very weapons given to them to fight off the Soviets are being used against US forces. How ironic...

People & Politics | Ostalgia Many Eastern Germans Still Mourn the Demise of Communist East Germany - YouTube

Same nostalgia is happening in Poland.