Some Notes on Posting Here

[Metaphysicist]

First of all, this is just a guide. Not hard set rules. Also this is a work in progress as we - users and mods - get used to the place and make into something good.

The same way zoklet isn't trying to be the next totse, this forum is not Bitch & Moan.

One thing we do require you all to do is to make threads with content - hear that Harold? Don't just make a thread with one sentence or two. If you got something to say do say it.

Don't make Official threads, unless you're a mod or higher.

I'll add to this later. I just wanted to get this much out.

Fish, feel free to add to this.

[Fish]

Thanks for being on the ball, meta - I was actually writing this just now :p


Okay ladies, listen up:

1) No "ban _____ " threads. Meta already said that one.

2) This is a forum for discussion, debate, ranting, and yes, even flaming*. Keep in mind that your threads need to have CONTENT in order to qualify as one of those things. That means that any thread with nothing but one word like "discuss" in the post will be closed. If something pisses you off enough to post about it, you can at least take the time to have at least one coherent sentence in the post itself.

3) If you get in a flame war with someone, try to keep it in one thread. I really hate entering a forum like B&M or PEOO and seeing twenty threads like "JimBob123 is queer" and then "no, BillyJoe456 is a cocksucker" and so on. That's the BBS equivalent of flinging poo, and even monkeys can do that.


* a special note about flaming. If you're gonna rip on someone, do it proper. Don't just start a thread titled "RandomUser123 is a fag" and then just have the message "well, what do you think?" as content. If that's the best flame you can manage, you may as well hang up your flaming cap and go home. And by "flaming cap" I mean a hat that one wears while flaming people, not a hat that is literally on fire. Yes, I own both, and yes, it is sometimes confusing when I talk to people about it.



UPDATE: This isn't a change, just a clarification - This forum never has been, and never will be a forum for "official" complaints or inquiries regarding moderators and their actions. You are allowed to make posts about infractions you've received. You're allowed to make posts about the moderators who gave them to you. But such posts are NOT considered official inquiries, and moderators/administrators are by no means obligated to reply or comment.

[Metaphysicist]

Well said, well said.

[Purple Sprite]

shut the fuck up meta

[vilbe]

shut the fuck up meta

moot reply, i mean come on put some effort into it...



god purple sprite, you fucking idiot, you can't even use your keyboard for more than thirty seconds on one single topic before ADD misfires your brain and your face lights up like a christmas tree on crack in the bronx. jesus, save yourself and smash your skull simutaneously into the j f and k keys while humming mary had a little lamb






[see, multiple sentences, with this thing called a point, subjects, and verbs!]

[jheit8]

Thanks for being on the ball, meta - I was actually writing this just now :p


Okay ladies, listen up:

1) No "ban _____ " threads. Meta already said that one.

2) This is a forum for discussion, debate, ranting, and yes, even flaming*. Keep in mind that your threads need to have CONTENT in order to qualify as one of those things. That means that any thread with nothing but one word like "discuss" in the post will be closed. If something pisses you off enough to post about it, you can at least take the time to have at least one coherent sentence in the post itself.

3) If you get in a flame war with someone, try to keep it in one thread. I really hate entering a forum like B&M or PEOO and seeing twenty threads like "JimBob123 is queer" and then "no, BillyJoe456 is a cocksucker" and so on. That's the BBS equivalent of flinging poo, and even monkeys can do that.


* a special note about flaming. If you're gonna rip on someone, do it proper. Don't just start a thread titled "RandomUser123 is a fag" and then just have the message "well, what do you think?" as content. If that's the best flame you can manage, you may as well hang up your flaming cap and go home. And by "flaming cap" I mean a hat that one wears while flaming people, not a hat that is literally on fire. Yes, I own both, and yes, it is sometimes confusing when I talk to people about it.

So PEOO is like B&M :confused:

[Angry Blue Bird of Death]

shut the fuck up meta

I lol'd

[Metaphysicist]

So PEOO is like B&M :confused:

You're just now getting that?

Come on Joey....:rolleyes:

[Some Old Drunk Guy]

I promise I won't be a thorn in your side meta.

[Fish]

What some persons fail to realize is that no-content posts damage a forum.. sometimes irrecoverably. Making a valid contribution is a matter of consideration for others in the Community, and also a matter of a certain amount of responsibility. If hundreds of persons were to move into a brand new city only to start throwing garbage in the streets, parks, rivers and water systems, it wouldn't be long before disease, general sicknesses, and untimely deaths set in. If one wants to drop garbage, one usually goes to a garbage landfill or an incinerator to do it, and one-three-word shit-drops are the equivalent of throw-away trash. Make your Community all it can be by keeping it clean, tidy, sweet-smelling and full of hot girls (women don't like going where there is garbage, you know.. that's why they make the man take the trash outside :) ). Save a forum today!

Despite the fact that this sounds like one of Kyle's corny speeches at the end of an episode of South Park, I approve this message.

[area 51 trespasser]

what are you a mod?

[Hammer Tank]

Spectral for mod !!!

[Epique]

Well said -SpectraL, totaly agree with you. Hope you keep up this level of posting and earn your modship sometime in the future.

[Felix]

if this isnt the new totse wtf is???

[zeusy|Nemsis]

Meta is on a power trip.

[Fetus-Smasher]

Must add content? Fuck.
But this is actually huge, and hope shit posters don't flood the doors (like myself).

[-SpectraL]

Must add content? Fuck.
But this is actually huge, and hope shit posters don't flood the doors (like myself).Think of it this way: you can feel good that you taught someone something they didn't know before, and feel good about being a positive and tangible influence on the world as a whole... and that means actually saying something. I'm sure you'll do fine.

[johnplywd]

Please we all know that this place will be over ran by one line artist before we can get use to not having them ruin every single post in the forum. I know I would enjoy this place more if the shit posters were kept in check. Of coarse I don't want to see the mods get heavy handed either and start wiping out every other thread either.

We really have no choice except to wait and see what happens. Hopefully the posters here will have a little class and keep this place fun instead of the troll fest B&M turned into

[area 51 trespasser]

Please we all know that this place will be over ran by one line artist before we can get use to not having them ruin every single post in the forum. I know I would enjoy this place more if the shit posters were kept in check. Of coarse I don't want to see the mods get heavy handed either and start wiping out every other thread either.

We really have no choice except to wait and see what happens. Hopefully the posters here will have a little class and keep this place fun instead of the troll fest B&M turned into

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btw B&M was fucked up more than 4chan

[Fish]

Please we all know that this place will be over ran by one line artist before we can get use to not having them ruin every single post in the forum. I know I would enjoy this place more if the shit posters were kept in check. Of coarse I don't want to see the mods get heavy handed either and start wiping out every other thread either.

We really have no choice except to wait and see what happens. Hopefully the posters here will have a little class and keep this place fun instead of the troll fest B&M turned into

I agree. I think it's important that people be able to contribute their thoughts without having to worry about whether they're going to get infracted by a mod with ludicrous standards.

On the flipside, I also think it's important, for the sake of the contributing and productive members, that "one-line artists" be kept in check. There's certainly nothing inherently wrong with a 1-line post, but the problem is that the vast majority of those posts are limited to thoughts that are best left to Half-Baked.

I hope that most of the people here will see fit to work with the mods here to make this place better - Or at least realize that we're just trying to upkeep a minimum of standards here. Quality posts and thoughtful discussion will make people want to come here and post, while mindless responses and pointless trolling will only result in Zoklet having two HB forums instead of one.

[johnplywd]

Spectral I here tell you made some kind of stink on Totse about this place. I unfortunately missed it and you know how much I love a good stink. I was one of many who missed the the last day of Totse. I am glad you decided to come on over and play with us on our new home for the next 20 years:)

[johnplywd]

Truth be told, John, looks like those days are over. There are those above who have already decided.

What exactly have they decided? Its up to you and I and other regs(if thats what were called here) to make this place what Totse wasn't. Me I want to see a place were I can click on a thread and see some funny, serious, decent replies instead of a bunch of fuck yous, your stupid, your a idiot replies. So far this place has not been so bad, granted I just got off the boat but we will see

[johnplywd]

Well.. this place has the potential to be bigger than Totse ever was, due to the greater manpower and greater attendance. But what really makes a site rock is solid contribution.. something that makes people want to come back again and again... as you mentioned earlier. Unfortunately, there are those at the top who do not even know what the lifeblood of a good thing is.. and so they continue to fail, but they always wonder why. They judge what they think is solid contribution, decide what's best for all based on their own personal viewpoints, and so continually fail to learn from their mistakes. It's an endless cycle really. All we can do is stand by and watch. If I had complete control of this site, I would have a rock-solid user-base of interesting contributors in a matter of months. No tolerance of pokemon-kids dropping their shit-drops either just so the site could get a few more heads in. That's not how it's done. You build your house one brick at a time, and you do it in a determined and insightful manner, and you do it in a way that makes the best sense for the Community.

If you had complete control of this site would we not be subject to what you think is and is not a solid contribution, your viewpoints even if we agree or disagree. We both agree that Meta does what he thinks is best for the community(most of the time) and this guy "Fish" so far seems to be OK.
Its time to let go of the past and move on. Its a brand new start for everybody here

[comedy247]

K read, well understood no problem.
K PEACE

[-SpectraL]

Sorry for leaving you out there like this, Johnplywd, but it really wasn't my place to make opinion here, so they had to go.

[Metaphysicist]

Case in point... if it was me, you'd hear the sound of an ass whistling over the nearest fence-hedge. One mod had said he wasn't going to bother making a banner because there was really no prize in it for him. Another mod came in after to make the following revelation:

http://bbs.zoklet.net/showpost.php?p=45406&postcount=30

I agree that that was not very professional of the mod. Even for a regular poster that would have been uncalled for and a bad show. But we mods are always being reminded - by users and admins - that we are users first and mods second. Also, would you stifle a mods right to peak their mind, no matter how unprofessional and immature it is?

I will grant, though, that a mod who does act like that just may not have the proper temperament to do the job. But it also could have just been one of those days for the mod in question. And no, I'm not making excuses for that mod.

[Fish]

Also, would you stifle a mods right to speak their mind, no matter how unprofessional and immature it is?

Yeah, with the amount of bitching that goes on here about the 1st amendment, you'd think that people would appreciate a mod who speaks their mind...

[-SpectraL]

Yeah, with the amount of bitching that goes on here about the 1st amendment, you'd think that people would appreciate a mod who speaks their mind...If you re-read the thread from start to finish, which is always a good idea before making comment about a situation, you will see that within a few posts there was a mod who said they weren't going to make a banner because mods were not eligible for any prizes anyways for making one. I made a passive remark about how a moderator should not care if there is a prize or not, and should give an effort on a submission anyways. A moderator then came into the thread to tell me to "shut the fuck up" simply because I suggested moderators should be submitting an effort on the banner ideas regardless of if there is a prize or not. So, in actuality, the stifling of free speech was done by the second moderator, not any of the regular users.

[-SpectraL]

I will grant, though, that a mod who does act like that just may not have the proper temperament to do the job. But it also could have just been one of those days for the mod in question. And no, I'm not making excuses for that mod.

They say that the act of acceptance is the first step to a successful recovery... :D

[johnplywd]

Yeah, with the amount of bitching that goes on here about the 1st amendment, you'd think that people would appreciate a mod who speaks their mind...

Please Fish we all know there is no such thing as freedom of speech here. It is all censured by mods who will delete anything they don't see fit, even if it does not break any rules or least the written ones members must follow. Its been my experienced that a mod will do and say whatever they want to a member and silence the response from the member whenever the member gets the best of him.

[Fish]

Please Fish we all know there is no such thing as freedom of speech here. It is all censured by mods who will delete anything they don't see fit, even if it does not break any rules or least the written ones members must follow. Its been my experienced that a mod will do and say whatever they want to a member and silence the response from the member whenever the member gets the best of him.

I'm not gonna get into a whole thing about 1st amendment rights on a private server, nor am I going to tell you that all of our Mods have been implanted with cybernetic brain implants that prevent them from acting like humans.

I will tell you, however, that if you or anyone else here feels genuinely threatened, unfairly and maliciously targeted, or feel that your rights have been so severely infringed upon so as to require immediate attention, then you need to make an actual case to me or Zok. If there is a genuine case of a Moderator who's consistently abusing their power, then we'll talk. If not, then you'll be told to deal with it like a big boy.

And for the record, I have received no such complaints thus far aside from the obvious bitching that goes on in the forum designated for such.

[-SpectraL]

I'm not gonna get into a whole thing about 1st amendment rights on a private server, nor am I going to tell you that all of our Mods have been implanted with cybernetic brain implants that prevent them from acting like humans.

But we weren't talking about "acting like humans"... only you are. We were actually talking about abuse of moderator powerz.


And for the record, I have received no such complaints thus far aside from the obvious bitching that goes on in the forum designated for such.

Yup. That's where you'll find 'em. Strange place to "hide" complaints, huh?

[Fish]

Yup. That's where you'll find 'em. Strange place to "hide" complaints, huh?

It's a forum designated to ranting and complaining, yes. But it's not a place for posting official complaints about moderators.

Like I said - if you have a legitimate complaint about a moderator, you should take it to someone who can actually do something (read: administrator). That's what I 'm here for. The final call on who is or isn't a moderator goes to Zok, but I'm more than able to do something if there's a real situation.

Of course, I'd need something to go on beyond just "Kinkou is an ugly cunt"

[Mac]

To tell you the truth. Your too late to prevent anything you have mentioned. As you can see you just allowed what the first two reponses after metas and fishes, which is completely irrelevant to anything in this topic.

What you need to do is stop preaching and start acting. The only way to get it under control is starting to ban people.

Ok, this is a Flaming Forum as you said, but also like you said; Does it call for one liner fuck you, suck my cock post's in a thread that has to do with Improvised Explosives (just made a serious topic name)?


So what, does this site cater to kid's?
I like the forums, set up nice, good catagories, just piss poor thread content.

[-SpectraL]

It's a forum designated to ranting and complaining, yes. But it's not a place for posting official complaints about moderators.

Like I said - if you have a legitimate complaint about a moderator, you should take it to someone who can actually do something (read: administrator). That's what I 'm here for. The final call on who is or isn't a moderator goes to Zok, but I'm more than able to do something if there's a real situation.

Of course, I'd need something to go on beyond just "Kinkou is an ugly cunt"We're kind of getting off-topic here again. Last time I checked, johnplywd was pointing out that there is no reason that an administrator or super-moderator could not identify this afore-mentioned abuse while navigating the boards, and then act on that revelation, without the need of assistance. Delegating a regular user to do the job of a moderator is hardly the best solution in any perfect world.

One other thing not many people understand is that when a moderator comes into a thread which is progressing along under the assumption of freedom of expression, where no rules have been broken, and says something like "shut the fuck up", then leaves in a huff, it makes it extremely difficult for the regular user to determine whether that comment was made as a "first warning" under the hat of moderator, or whether the comment was made under the hat of "user-first, moderator second". You see the dilemma, I'm sure. :D

[Fish]

I am more than willing to do my job when it comes to administrating... but as far as actual received complaints go, all I've gotten is generalizations about mods that people seem to have a problem with for reasons unspecified. We have well over 40 mods on this board. If you're expecting me to research every decision that every one of them has made in every forum, then I guess you're going to be disappointed. If you can give me something to go on - a name, a forum, a link - then I can actually do something.

If you, -SpectraL, or anyone, want to discuss this further, I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU to go ahead and make a post about it in this forum, or even PM me. I'm pretty sure that we're all in favor of improving these boards. As for this thread...the scope of it has gone well beyond a simple statement of the rules, and so I'm going to close it.