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Anders Hoveland
05-03-2012, 10:42 AM
outbreeding depression refers to cases where offspring from crosses between two different different populations have a lower level of fitness than offspring from crosses between individuals from the same population.

One of the ways that outbreeding depression can occur is by the breakdown of biochemical or physiological compatibilities between genes in the different breeding populations. Within local, isolated breeding populations, alleles are selected for their positive, overall effects in complementary combination with other specific alleles. Due to nonadditive gene action, the same genes may have rather different effects in different genetic backgrounds--hence, the potential evolution of locally coadapted gene complexes.

These effects can be observed in switchgrass (Panicum virgatum). While actually a single species, switchgrass comes in many different varieties, with striking differences between the different types. This genetic diversity reflects the divergent evolution and adaptation to a wide range of different environments. The different varieties of switchgrass can generally be grouped into two distinct forms: the lowland cultivars and the upland cultivars.

The lowland variety tends to produce more biomass, and grow up to 2.7 meters high in favorable environments. The upland variety is generally of more northern origin, and is more cold-tolerant. Upland switchgrass types are generally shorter, less than 2.4 meters in height, and less coarse than lowland types. The upland types tend to have more vigorous rhizomes so they tend to be more sod-forming, whereas the the lowland cultivars may appear to have a bunchgrass habit. Lowland cultivars appear more plastic in their morphology, produce larger plants if stands become thin or when planted in wide rows, and they seem to be more sensitive to moisture stress than upland cultivars.

One study mentions potential negetive effects on native varieties on switchgrass caused by outbreeding depression, which could be a cause for concern.
"Gene flow matters in switchgrass, a potential widespread biofuel feedstock", Charles Kwit, C. Neal Stewart. Department of Plant Sciences, University of Tennessee, Knoxville, Tennessee; and BioEnergy Science Center, Oak Ridge National Laboratory, Oak Ridge, Tennessee

"The potential for genetic pollution has been investigated in switchgrass..."
"Appropriate Use of Genetic Manipulation for the Development of Restoration Plant Materials", T. A. Jones, J. G. Robins, Progress in Botany, Volume 72, Part 5, p 249-264, 2011


Different groups of humans have been separately evolving for tens of thousands of years. There has been plenty of genetic divergence over this long period of time. Could it be possible that each of these separate groups of people have achieved, through natural selection, a fine-tuned balance of hormones and subtle gene expression, which could become upset by sudden change?

Herbert Spencer and the Harvard geneticist Edward East, a pioneer in hybrid corn research, proposed that genetic crossing would disrupt the smooth operation of the physical and mental qualities which have been established in each race over hundreds of generations by natural selection.

Carleton Coon, former professor at Harvard and president of the American Association of Physical Anthropologists, wrote: "Genes that form part of a cell nucleus possess an internal equilibrium as a group, just as do the members of social institutions. Genes in a population are in equilibrium if the population is living a healthy life as a corporate entity. Racial intermixture can upset the genetic as well as the social equilibrium of a group."

An analysis of more than 3 million respondents revealed the average pay was $15.74 per hour for people of mixed race, $17.39 for black people and $22.04 for white people. This was despite the fact that 18 per cent of mixed-race people had college degrees, compared with 11 per cent of black people and 28 per cent of white people.
"Can the 'one-drop rule' tell us anything about racial discrimination? New evidence from the multiple race question on the 2000 Census", Robert W. Fairlie
University of California, Santa Cruz

A study by J. Richard Udry’s National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, which sampled a random, nationally representative school-based sample of U.S. adolescents in grades 7 through 12, during 1994-1995, showed an increase in behavioral problems amongst mixed-race children, as well as significantly higher rates of asthma, and generally poorer health. Another interesting finding was that mixed children that had a black parent were significantly more likely (63% more) to have skin problems.
J. Richard Udry, Janet Hendrickson-Smith, Carolina Population Center, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, 2003

rabbitweed
05-03-2012, 10:49 AM
I have athsma. Am I....am I part nigger? :( :( :(

Rust
05-03-2012, 03:26 PM
ITT: Anders Hoveland plagiarisizes the fuck out of a mish-mash of sources, as usual.

WAN
05-03-2012, 04:16 PM
ITT: Anders Hoveland plagiarisizes the fuck out of a mish-mash of sources, as usual.

ITT: Rust is being hot and cute, as usual.

Marsh
05-03-2012, 04:51 PM
Natural selection doesn't always select the best thing right away, hence why it takes so damn long to evolve.

Death_Merchant
05-03-2012, 06:26 PM
Do people not realize that there are multitudes of smaller ethnic groups that make up a race. North American whites and European whites are quite different culturally, yet come from the same place originally. I don't like some cultures and sub-cultures, but race doesn't mean anything. OP is bullshit.

Anders Hoveland
05-04-2012, 02:59 AM
So why do people usually marry others that are more ethnically/racially similar to themselves? Is this always a conscious choice?
http://faculty.chicagobooth.edu/emir.kamenica/documents/racialPreferences.pdf

Here is from another thread:
Do you think your heritage has anything to do with how people are attracted to you? Just wondering, because I'm polish, and I've recently come to the realization that most of the women who have found me attractive have also been polish. Two of them have even had the same body types. It's weird, because most women don't ever seem to like me, at least not openly, yet find me the right polish woman, and I don't even have to do any work. They just come to me. So what gives, do you think it could really be because we share similar last names?


Do people not realize that there are multitudes of smaller ethnic groups that make up a race. North American whites and European whites are quite different culturally, yet come from the same place originally. I don't like some cultures and sub-cultures, but race doesn't mean anything.

The White peoples in the Americas, Australia, and South Africa came from many different ethnicities in Europe. There has been plenty of mixing between these different European ethnicities, but the mixing has not been all even. Ethnicities originating from Northern Europe are more likely to mix with other ethnicities that also originated Northern Europe. And the genetic differences between germans and norwegians, for example, are much less than the differences between spaniards and russians.

Some behavioral differences are only cultural, while other behavioral differences are strongly influenced by genetic predisposition.

Struwwelpeter
05-04-2012, 10:41 AM
So why do people usually marry others that are more ethnically/racially similar to themselves? Is this always a conscious choice?
http://faculty.chicagobooth.edu/emir.kamenica/documents/racialPreferences.pdf

Here is from another thread:





The White peoples in the Americas, Australia, and South Africa came from many different ethnicities in Europe. There has been plenty of mixing between these different European ethnicities, but the mixing has not been all even. Ethnicities originating from Northern Europe are more likely to mix with other ethnicities that also originated Northern Europe. And the genetic differences between germans and norwegians, for example, are much less than the differences between spaniards and russians.

Some behavioral differences are only cultural, while other behavioral differences are strongly influenced by genetic predisposition.

Why must you post this bullshit, Anders?

Anders Hoveland
05-04-2012, 08:57 PM
Why must you post this bullshit, Anders?
Why do think there is nothing to what I am suggesting?

Males tend to be much more attracted to females than to other males, despite the fact that they are both of the same species. There difference between males and females is only a single chromosome out of 46. Is it so implausible that each race might have a biological tendancy to be more attracted towards its own? Different races have obvious differences in physical appearance. Is it so implausible the there are as many differences on the inside as there are on the outside?

A horse and donkey, which are two separate species, can also have hybrid offspring (although in this case the hybrid, known as a mule, is unable to reproduce itself).

And then there are numerous studies which suggest significant statistical differences in behavioral tendancies between different racial populations, which cannot be explained merely by cultural influences.

It seems a growing number of people are becoming race-deniers, even many biologists and anthropologists.
But of course, the beliefs about race are unfortunately often more influenced by social and political ideologies than reason and science.

Struwwelpeter
05-04-2012, 11:53 PM
Lol.

Myxomatosis
05-04-2012, 11:55 PM
Either that or just feed opiates and other anti-depressants into the water system :facepalm: