Protip of all Protips

[xxombie]

Using gimmicks and schemes to try to get girls to like you more doesn't work. Girls (and people in general) can tell when you're putting on a front to impress them, and it makes you come off and insecure, and lame.

When talking to girls, be yourself (yeah I know, you've heard it a million times before) and don't over think shit. Most of you here have a hard time talking to girls in the first place, if you pre-plan how you're going to act and what you're going to say, the conversation is going to be painfully awkward. If she doesn't like you when you're being natural, it's for the better. If you can't get along when you're being yourself then there's no way you should be perusing a relationship with this person.

Just seriously, spend less time trying to dissect the brains of girls trying to figure out what is appealing to them and go talk to some.

[aliveupboy]

Meh, thats kinda true. Playing 'tricks and gimmicks' does work though. They can easily be used to get a slut into the sack, which is what a lot of guys are going for. A quick lay. A pump and dump. This wont work on all girls. It might fail horribly if used on xxombie. But it does work on some girls.

If you want a real relationship (like a steady girl friend) then xxombies advice is dead on.

But if you just want the pussy, and couldn't give a shit about the girl, then alcohol + gimmicks = quick poon.

[Warped Mindless]

I agree about the gimmicks..I know people that uses magic to seduce girls..lame.

Lets pretend however that you just told a needy, un confident, apprival seeking, un funny, bad hygiene, ect.., guy to just be himself. He would then be needy, un confident, apprival seeking, un funny, and have bad hygiene. I'm sure that will work for him. There is noting wrong with improving yourself to you can get better with girls.

[Psychotic_Rave]

i cant agree more gimmicks are well dumb and dont work that well.
Warped Mindless ... I like magic tricks >_< just not to pick up girls haha.
Anyway the protips are a form of being natural. We should all be good at having conversations .. but we arnt so that means we should do what? Keep striking out when it comes to women because or make your conversation skills better and then make it natural for you. that one sounds pretty good to me. Its not a gimmick its truth. If your an unattractive person and be yourself .. your being unattractive. Is that going to get you a girl no its not. Thats why you internalize the right things to say and do and the right ways to act and it then becomes natural. So by all means if your an attractive person then be yourself act natural. If your not then get to work on internalizing the right things so you can be naturally attractive. No tricks or gimmicks.

[Chameleon Gangster]

Lets pretend however that you just told a needy, un confident, apprival seeking, un funny, bad hygiene, ect.., guy to just be himself. He would then be needy, un confident, apprival seeking, un funny, and have bad hygiene. I'm sure that will work for him.

It's worked for me pretty well.

nah just playin

use gimmicks, 90% of girls are idiots

[blackflagnirvana]

Yea if a lot of totseans followed the "just be yourself" theory themselves would never get laid. It seems like totseans are pretty good at being themselves.

[ergoat]

There is actually more to life than getting laid.

[Warped Mindless]

There is actually more to life than getting laid.

You sir speak lies!

Seriously, yes there is.

[aliveupboy]

You sir speak lies!

Seriously, yes there is.

Like masturbating?

[Warped Mindless]

Like masturbating?

No one cares about your hobbies.

[Cliche Guevara]

lol you suck

i talk to girls all the time i talked to a girl for like five minutes once. best day of my life. i duno what it is about girls but anything they say is magically delightful and as soon as it happens i run home and write everything they said in my diary and cherish it forever in an alter like shrine.

[aliveupboy]

No one cares about your hobbies.

Well that's probably true. Good thing I didn't say shit about my hobbies, I posted a lame joke. Faggot.

e: Aww your the guy who got all butthurt when I said your pro tip threads were stupid. You must really have some sand in your vagina to follow me into another thread. You probably thought you had all this great advice... lol... Retard. You've got like 80 posts in 1 day... You clearly spend all your time getting pussy... Which makes total sense really. I mean how could you not get tons of pussy knowing such great advice like "tell interesting stories" and "be dominate in bed". You're my hero.

[Warped Mindless]

Well that's probably true. Good thing I didn't say shit about my hobbies, I posted a lame joke. Faggot.

e: Aww your the guy who got all butthurt when I said your pro tip threads were stupid. You must really have some sand in your vagina to follow me into another thread. You probably thought you had all this great advice... lol... Retard.

One, I didn't follow you, I check every thread.
Two, its not sand. :p

[Thought Riot]

Protip of protips: alcohol and/or cocaine

[xxombie]

Well obviously if you don't get out much you're going to suck at getting laid.

But instead of sitting on your ass at home on the internet reading guides to women written by kids who've probably had like one girlfriend who they got to third bass with, you should probably get out and talk to people.

I hate to make this analogy, but think of it this way: are you going to make a better cake by,
a) reading a guide on how to make cake written by someone who doesn't know shit about cake, or
b) using observation and trial and error. You're first cake might not turn out the best, but soon you're be the cakemon master.

S&A is for asking questions, not spouting pages of random bullshit you just pulled out of your ass.

[MartialShot]

Well obviously if you don't get out much you're going to suck at getting laid.

But instead of sitting on your ass at home on the internet reading guides to women written by kids who've probably had like one girlfriend who they got to third bass with, you should probably get out and talk to people.

I hate to make this analogy, but think of it this way: are you going to make a better cake by,
a) reading a guide on how to make cake written by someone who doesn't know shit about cake, or
b) using observation and trial and error. You're first cake might not turn out the best, but soon you're be the cakemon master.

S&A is for asking questions, not spouting pages of random bullshit you just pulled out of your ass.

Thank you

[Warped Mindless]

Well obviously if you don't get out much you're going to suck at getting laid.

But instead of sitting on your ass at home on the internet reading guides to women written by kids who've probably had like one girlfriend who they got to third bass with, you should probably get out and talk to people.

I hate to make this analogy, but think of it this way: are you going to make a better cake by,
a) reading a guide on how to make cake written by someone who doesn't know shit about cake, or
b) using observation and trial and error. You're first cake might not turn out the best, but soon you're be the cakemon master.

S&A is for asking questions, not spouting pages of random bullshit you just pulled out of your ass.

I was going to post an intelligent response and all but really, you can't argure with idiots.

I do agree with going out and getting practice, but nothing wrong with cutting down on practice time. If you give someone advice that would take them a good month of approaches to discover, you just saved them a month.

[Silverfuck]

Truly the best protip of all. Honestly, it freaks me out when I hear guys talking about sarging and P.U.A and I.O.Is and B.O.Es...it makes me feel like a science project. Girls aren't like math problems you can solve if you know all the variables; they're human beings with likes and dislikes.

Although one thing can be said of all the overly-analytical crap and walkthroughs to interaction with the opposite sex, and that's that it gives guys confidence. If they think they've got all the answers and a fool-proof plan, they're going to take chances and get out where they would usually quiver and cower. It's like on every cartoon ever...the main character has a lucky [insert possession], they accomplish something and find out that their charm wasn't there/was a fake, and find out that it was really just them all along.

[Cliche Guevara]

all i wanted was an lol :(

[aliveupboy]

Honestly, it freaks me out when I hear guys talking about sarging and P.U.A and I.O.Is and B.O.Es...it makes me feel like a science project.

Wtf do those mean?

[MartialShot]

I was going to post an intelligent response and all but really, you can't argure with Me.


Fixed

[Cliche Guevara]

Wtf do those mean?

its good you dont know

[Silverfuck]

Wtf do those mean?

PUA- pickup artist
IOI- indicators of interest
BOE- bind on equipped. It's a WoW term; I threw it in there for dramatic effect :D

[MartialShot]

PUA- pickup artist
IOI- indicators of interest
BOE- bind on equipped. It's a WoW term; I threw it in there for dramatic effect :D

ZOMG SILVERFUCK ON WOW?! Say it aint so...

[Silverfuck]

ZOMG SILVERFUCK ON WOW?! Say it aint so...

Lol, my sister is a big time serious player, so I got curious and gave it a try. I play really rarely...I actually haven't played at all in a week or two, but it's fun occasionally. It's taken me over two years to get to level 45, which says something about how often I actually play.

Don't judge me :mad:

[MartialShot]

Lol, my sister is a big time serious player, so I got curious and gave it a try. I play really rarely...I actually haven't played at all in a week or two, but it's fun occasionally. It's taken me over two years to get to level 45, which says something about how often I actually play.

Don't judge me :mad:

I dont know what that means but I'll take your word for it

[aliveupboy]

Lol, my sister is a big time serious player, so I got curious and gave it a try. I play really rarely...I actually haven't played at all in a week or two, but it's fun occasionally. It's taken me over two years to get to level 45, which says something about how often I actually play.

Don't judge me :mad:

Is your sister hot? If there's any hot serious wow players... wow.

[Valerius]

Well obviously if you don't get out much you're going to suck at getting laid.

But instead of sitting on your ass at home on the internet reading guides to women written by kids who've probably had like one girlfriend who they got to third bass with, you should probably get out and talk to people.

I hate to make this analogy, but think of it this way: are you going to make a better cake by,
a) reading a guide on how to make cake written by someone who doesn't know shit about cake, or
b) using observation and trial and error. You're first cake might not turn out the best, but soon you're be the cakemon master.

S&A is for asking questions, not spouting pages of random bullshit you just pulled out of your ass.

I dont really agree with you or Warped here, but your analogy blows.

Its like saying it's better to teach yourself guitar than get a teacher who can show how to do it right. Sure you can learn an instrument on your own but some people don't do it right and fuck it up so bad they can never play again. Now replace play with laid.

Hows that for an analogy?

[aliveupboy]

I dont really agree with you or Warped here, but your analogy blows.

Its like saying it's better to teach yourself guitar than get a teacher who can show how to do it right. Sure you can learn an instrument on your own but some people don't do it right and fuck it up so bad they can never play again. Now replace play with laid.

Hows that for an analogy?

Your analogies are equally bad.

[Silverfuck]

Is your sister hot? If there's any hot serious wow players... wow.

She's 15, so too young for you :mad:. And I would say she's a very attractive young lady, but I'm biased.

[MartialShot]

I dont really agree with you or Warped here, but your analogy blows.

Its like saying it's better to teach yourself guitar than get a teacher who can show how to do it right. Sure you can learn an instrument on your own but some people don't do it right and fuck it up so bad they can never play again. Now replace play with laid.

Hows that for an analogy?

Failure is part of learning and before any idiot decides to take that and turn it I'm adding in without personal experince :rolleyes:

[MartialShot]

She's 15, so too young for you :mad:. And I would say she's a very attractive young lady, but I'm biased.

And the real fang barring super protective sword holding Silverfuck appears.......

[aliveupboy]

She's 15, so too young for you :mad:. And I would say she's a very attractive young lady, but I'm biased.

Hah. I didn't really expect an answer. Are you by any chance into incest?:p

[Chris]

girls will find out what you are like sooner or later, might as well be yourself.

[Valerius]

Failure is part of learning and before any idiot decides to take that and turn it I'm adding in without personal experince :rolleyes:

So it's kinda like how your parents try to teach you to drive but you're like "fuck off! failure is part of learning!" And get in a big wreck and die?

Or when you go to a job and they're like "Ok, Bob's gonna train you cause he's been doing this since he was your age." And you're like "Fuck off! Failure is part of learning!" And the whole place goes up in smoke and you die? Is it like that?

[MartialShot]

Hah. I didn't really expect an answer. Are you by any chance into incest?:p

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii59/MartialShot/Phail.jpg

Its like trying really hard and still not succeeding

[aliveupboy]

girls will find out what you are like sooner or later, might as well be yourself.

Depends. Like I said, a lot of guys are going for a pump n dump. So there is no 'sooner or later'.

[MartialShot]

So it's kinda like how your parents try to teach you to drive but you're like "fuck off! failure is part of learning!" And get in a big wreck and die?

Or when you go to a job and they're like "Ok, Bob's gonna train you cause he's been doing this since he was your age." And you're like "Fuck off! Failure is part of learning!" And the whole place goes up in smoke and you die? Is it like that?

Yes those are extremes, and thank god for them, it's actually simplistic elimination of stupid and crappy genes. Humans are the only race that encourage weak genes to be passed on :rolleyes:

[aliveupboy]

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii59/MartialShot/Phail.jpg

Its like trying really hard and still not succeeding

What do you mean fail? I didn't have any goal, so I don't see how I failed. I'm also not 'trying really hard'. I'm sitting here stoned on opiates and watching futurama occasionally posting on this forum.

It seems like you're the one who is failing. Idiot.

[Osirius]

All the confidence and conversational skills in the world do you no good if your ugly though.

However, money cures ugly.


So

Average looking to attractive- Conversational skills/confidence
Average and below- get rich. Use all the time your not getting laid to become wealthy.

[Chris]

Depends. Like I said, a lot of guys are going for a pump n dump. So there is no 'sooner or later'.

I guess i should of stated that i was referring to the guys who want a lasting relationship. lie your ass of if your looking for a one night stand.

[MartialShot]

I guess i should of stated that i was referring to the guys who want a lasting relationship. lie your ass of if your looking for a one night stand.

And an STD

[aliveupboy]

I guess i should of stated that i was referring to the guys who want a lasting relationship. lie your ass of if your looking for a one night stand.

Well in that sense you are completely correct. Be yourself if you want a meaningful relationship.

[aliveupboy]

And an STD

Where a condom when you fuck a slut you dumb fuck.

[MartialShot]

Wear a condom when you fuck a slut you dumb fuck.

Sorry I dont fuck street trash so Ill leave them to you

[aliveupboy]

Sorry I dont fuck street trash so Ill leave them to you

I kinda doubt you fuck anyone for that matter.

[MartialShot]

I kinda doubt you fuck anyone for that matter.

:rolleyes: Says the kid sitting at home tripping on wanna be coke and claiming he's king of the ladies

[aliveupboy]

:rolleyes: Says the kid sitting at home tripping on wanna be coke and claiming he's king of the ladies

Please show me where I said that (king of ladies). Tripping on wanna be coke? Right... Apparently you don't know shit about drugs either. Tard.

[MartialShot]

Please show me where I said that. Wanna be coke? Right... Apparently you don't know shit about drugs either. Tard.

Opiates, aka morphine substitute or heroin, aka you dont know shit about drugs because if your fucked on heroin your typing pretty fucking good and if your on morphine well then your sad little life isnt worth much.

[xxombie]

I dont really agree with you or Warped here, but your analogy blows.

Its like saying it's better to teach yourself guitar than get a teacher who can show how to do it right. Sure you can learn an instrument on your own but some people don't do it right and fuck it up so bad they can never play again. Now replace play with laid.

Hows that for an analogy?

But if you're guitar teacher doesn't know shit about guitars you're better of teaching yourself.

Such is the case with these Protip threads that have been showing up.

[MartialShot]

Desperate losers posting their guides to seduce women, enough said.

[aliveupboy]

Opiates, aka morphine substitute or heroin, aka you dont know shit about drugs because if your fucked on heroin your typing pretty fucking good and if your on morphine well then your sad little life isnt worth much.

hahahah. Oh god. First off, opiates are, "Any drug deprived from the opiate poppy", not "morphine substitute or heroin". Idiot. You also don't "trip" off opiates. And I wasn't trying to turn this into a drug thread, but if you must know I'm on tramadol and codeine because I hurt my back the other day so I dipped into my emergency stash. I had some oxy but I used it over the last couple days. Stupid shit.

[aliveupboy]

Suddenly you got nothing to say? That's what I thought. I didn't even have to tell you to shut the fuck up. But just encase. Shut the fuck up you stupid little bitch.

[MartialShot]

Suddenly you got nothing to say? That's what I thought. I didn't even have to tell you to shut the fuck up. But just encase. Shut the fuck up you stupid little bitch.

No see I actually have shit to do like write a fucking paper, I dont sit there refreshing the page waiting desperately for your reply so that I can type some more

[aliveupboy]

No see I actually have shit to do like write a fucking paper, I dont sit there refreshing the page waiting desperately for your reply so that I can type some more

Actually from what I've seen that's exactly what you do. Go through the thread, you replied to everything I said basically instantly. Awww, got a grade 9 science report due? You came here and purposely tried to start an e fight with me because I insulted you yesterday. Then I proved you to be an idiot and suddenly you got this paper due. No time to post anymore. Just stfu.

[MartialShot]

Actually from what I've seen that's exactly what you do. Go through the thread, you replied to everything I said basically instantly. Awww, got a grade 9 science report due? You came here and purposely tried to start an e fight with me because I insulted you yesterday. Then I proved you to be an idiot and suddenly you got this paper due. No time to post anymore. Just stfu.

Actually I can keep up with your pathetic insults, write my college level paper, and still pretend I care about your e-cock flooding this page...

[aliveupboy]

Actually I can keep up with your pathetic insults, write my college level paper, and still pretend I care about your e-cock flooding this page...

Damn that was a quick reply. I thought you were all busy with this paper? Why don't you respond to my post about opiates? Oh right, because I proved your a stupid nigger. Well I didn't prove you to be a nigger, but you are an idiot.

What degree you going for in college?

[MartialShot]

Damn that was a quick reply. I thought you were all busy with this paper? Why don't you respond to my post about opiates? Oh right, because I proved your a stupid nigger. Well I didn't prove you to be a nigger, but you are an idiot.

What degree you going for in college?

You went from e-raping my posts to asking what degree Iam in....

[aliveupboy]

You went from e-raping my posts to asking what degree Iam in....

The fact that you didn't answer the question supports my initial assumption that your degree is a worthless one. Hence why I brought it up. I know you're an idiot. I know you can't get a respected degree. I want you to say what degree you're going for so I can have some real proof of your idiocy. So what degree is it?

[MartialShot]

The fact you didn't answer the question supports my initial assumption that your degree is a worthless one. Hence why I brought it up. I know you're an idiot. I know you can't get a respected degree. I want you to say what degree you're going for so I can have some real proof of your idiocy. So what degree is it?

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii59/MartialShot/Tarp.jpg

No matter what I post, I wont have proof of it so you'll flame that....seriously this is a lose lose situation Iam not stupid

[aliveupboy]

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii59/MartialShot/Tarp.jpg

No matter what I post, I wont have proof of it so you'll flame that....seriously this is a lose lose situation Iam not stupid

Your lack of an answer is now confirming my assumption. How bout you post that college level paper you're writing? Lets see what you've done so far.

*expects paper not to be posted*

[MartialShot]

Your lack of an answer is now confirming my assumption. How bout you post that college level paper you're writing? Lets see what you've done so far.

*expects paper not to be posted*


Polyphasic Sleep Cycling and Its Affects on the Body

Polyphasic Sleep Cycling and Its Affects on the Body
Creditable or Pseudo?



Sleeping is one of the bodies most complex and fascinating processes. It is to this date still one of sciences understudied processes and therefore some of the more obscure or distance possibilities with its properties remain undiscovered or remote theories. Sleeping is ideally a cyclonic process that usually involves 5 stages (Wagner, 2008). The two sub categories that are involved with these 5 stages are Rapid Eye Movement (further to be known as REM), and Non Rapid Eye Movement (further to be known as NREM). To explain Polyphasic sleep cycling it is first necessary to explain the original sleep cycle also known as monophasic sleep.

Monophasic sleep, also known as the tradition sleep that everyone experiences involves ALL 5 stages of sleep with the 2 subcategories included. At the beginning of sleep your body begins to relax, your heart beats slower therefore reducing your breathing rate. This effectively prepares your body for the encompassing rest period. Essentially the brain releases beta waves, small and fast waves that tell your brain to relax and slow down (Wagner, 2008). Melatonin is a naturally produced hormone in the body that induces sleep. It is also now used as a sleeping pill to help those who cannot return to a normal sleep cycle. After this “pre-sleep” stage 1 begins.

Stage one is the complicated begin of sleep. It is the subconscious transition between falling asleep and being asleep. The body is at full rest and the brain is attempting to “shut-down” or be put in a state of stasis to slow brain waves. These new waves known as theta-waves are high amplitude slow waves that reduce the brain activity even further then the beta-waves (Wagner, 2008).

Stage two is the most understudied section of sleep. Throughout the research there has been little evidence supporting stage two as a separate stage from the pervious stage. However, most journalists agree that stage two is indeed a separate stage. “In this stage the brain begins to induce a rhythmic burst of rapid waves known as sleep spindles” (Wagner, 2008). In this stage as related to the pre sleep stage, the heart rate lowers and the body core temperature is reduced from non movement. A sleep spindle is a rather complicated brain wave that last a duration of 0.5 seconds. The exact definition was credited to two gentlemen known as Rechtschaffen and Kales in 1968.

The presence of a sleep spindle should not be defined unless it is of at least 0.5sec duration, i.e., one should be able to count 6 or 7 distinct waves within the half-second period. Because the term ``sleep spindle'' has been widely used in sleep research, this term will be retained. The term should be used only to describe activity between 12 and 14 cps. (Rechtschaffen and Kales, 1968)

To be brief this states that on an electroencephalography or an EEG, a sleep spindle is 6 or 7 distinct waves. An EEG measures the electric brain waves present during brain activity. Once this stage is completed a person is halfway to sleep.
Stage 3 and 4 are very similar stages. Both of them involve delta waves that penetrate deep into the brain in slow rhythmic waves (Wagner, 2008). This is essentially the last step in NREM. At this point the body has spent about 90 minutes total attempting to shut down and fall asleep. All of these stages are repeated throughout the night as the cycle continues, including step 5 where REM is present. The first cycle of REM sleep may be short, but will increase in length as time progresses. Stage 5 is not explained in monophasic sleep as it will be completely focused upon in polyphasic sleep.
At this point it seems pertinent to point out several qualities of monophasic sleep. Firstly, it takes a grand total of 90 minutes to fall into REM sleep. Most experts agree that REM sleep is the primary place of rest and rejuvenation (Stoddard, 2008). Therefore although not completely agreed upon, those 90 minutes are nothing but a preliminary set of actions programmed into the brain to ensure the body is at complete rest. Secondly observe how it takes 5 different waves to shut the brain down, reduce the heart rate, reduce the breathing rate, and reduce core temperature. All 5 waves, beta, theta, alpha, delta and spindles, are created by the brain and induced by different chemicals. This complex process increases the time to fall asleep depending on the person. Therefore it can be seen that the body’s natural way of inducing sleep and residing there is inefficient and redundant. Thus I introduce the polyphasic sleep cycle.
In short the polyphasic sleep cycle is a dangerous and rather experimental process that involves the deprivation of sleep over a certain duration of time and the scheduled “nap” within cycles. Throughout my personal experiences with this cycle and several papers I’ve documented on it I feel that no empirical data can describe the sensations. Ideally the adjustment period is between 2-3 weeks in which several different cycles are possible. One is the official polyphasic sleep guide or the Uberman sleep cycle which includes six 20 minute naps spaced equidistance through-out the day (Stoddard, 2008). In Stoddard’s article he attempts to complete the Uberman cycle. Although he describes the symptoms of deprivation well, Claudio Stampi author of the famous “Why We Nap: Evolution, Chronobiology, and Functions of Polyphasic and Ultrashort Sleep” describes an “out of body experience” as well as the several symptoms listed below;
Nausea Spatial distortion
Auditory disturbances Hallucinations
Dementia Neurosis
Hypothermia Death
(Stampi, 2006)
Although several of the symptoms included are rare and at the utmost extremes of sleep deprivation they are possible. Essentially the Uberman cycle is one of the most ideal set ups, but another less complicated cycle is two three-hour sleep periods ideally at 12 noon and 12 midnight.
What does this accomplish you may ask. Ideally what polyphasic sleep is attempting to do is shorten the time it takes a body to come to complete rest and settle into REM sleep. The body however complex is sometimes incredibly insufficient in its processes. Ideally this process “trains” your body to skip the pre-sleep and the first 4 processes sending your body directly into REM sleep within 2 minutes of attempting to rest. As documented on average polyphasic sleepers gain about 10 years on average of time, or 28 hours a week of waking time (Marchand, 2007). Francois Marchand a documented polyphasic sleeper and brilliant mathematician worked out the math after attempting the cycle himself.
In conclusion, it can be stated that although possible and very profitable the polyphasic sleep cycle is incredibly dangerous adjustment period. Many scientists guffaw at the idea of the polyphasic sleep cycling stating that although the body does not acknowledge the instances of sleep it doest experience them (Stoddard, 2008). Simply put the scientists say that polyphasic sleep is a myth, and that unless clinically observed the evidence to support it is nothing more then hearsay. To supplement my own opinion of my experiences with this I can say that the adjustment period is extremely rough. With the scheduling of school and other activities I had to choose a relatively inactive week in the holidays to attempt it. From personal experience I can state that most of the symptoms are true and can be extremely nerve racking but the end result is completely worth it. The massive addition of time to my schedule was extremely beneficial. Although in the end I did return to monophasic sleeping, the overwhelming scheduling for the naps and sleep time and the amount of alarms needed to help me in the adjustment period was just too much to do every day. Therefore polyphasic sleep is the pinnacle of self improvement with dangers insurmountable but parallel to its astounding results.

Works Cited


(2001/2007). Canadian Nobel Prize Winners. Retrieved November 30, 2008, from Science.ca Web site: http://www.science.ca/scientists/nobellaureates.php/

Marchand, F “ Serial nappers gain extra day a week; 'Polyphasic' sleepers substitute regular naps for conventional night's rest.” (2007,30,08). Edmonton Journal, p. A1.

(2008). NobelPrize.Org. Retrieved November 30, 2008, from The Official Web Site of the Nobel Foundation Web site: http://nobelprize.org/

Rechtschaffen, W (1968). Definition of a sleep spindle. Retrieved November 30th 2008, from http://brain.fuw.edu.pl/~jarek/sleep_spindles.html

Stampi, C (2006). Why We Nap.

Stoddard, G (2008, June). IS SLEEP REALLY NECESSARY?. Mne's Health, Vol. 23 Issue 5, p132-137.

Wagner, K Van (2008). Stages of Sleep. Retrieved November 30, 2008, from About.ComPsycholocgy Web site: http://psychology.about.com/od/statesofconsciousness/a/SleepStages.htm



Further Research


To the best of my knowledge these sites and their research are personal accounts of their polyphasic sleep cycles or unaccredited scientists research on the topic. Although this is not required for the project for anyone who wishes to research the topic further or investigate my research or personal experiences with sleeping below are some links.

http://www.totse.com/en/ego/self_improvement/polyphasicslee198884.html

Claudio Stampi. Why We Nap: Evolution, Chronobiology, and Functions of Polyphasic and Ultrashort Sleep. (1992) ISBN 0-8176-3462-2
Jerome M. Siegel. (2001) The REM sleep-memory consolidation hypothesis. Science 294(5544):1058-63.
"Catching Catnaps," Scientific American Frontiers, Show 105, February 27, 1991
http://www.supermemo.com/articles/polyphasic.htm
Lucid Dreaming (1985) ISBN 0-87477-342-3 by Stephen LaBerge
Conscious Mind, Sleeping Brain (1988) ISBN 0-306-42849-0 by Jayne Gackenbach and Stephen Laberge, Eds.
Dreams and How to Guide Them [1867] (1982) ISBN 0-7156-1584-X by Hervey de Saint-Denys

[yixil]

Might want to fix up the grammar if you're turning that in for a college class.

[ergoat]

Is it just me or did the forum get bitchier on the transfer to Zoklet?

[MartialShot]

Might want to fix up the grammar if you're turning that in for a college class.

I did say I was working on it, I havent even finished yet, that's the Intro, thanks for the tip though I didnt realize is was that bad =/

[yixil]

I did say I was working on it, I havent even finished yet, that's the Intro, thanks for the tip though I didnt realize is was that bad =/

Also, your sentences are way too short. Each sentence should be a complete thought.

[aliveupboy]

That was better then I thought it would be. Although most of it was just summarizing the articles/books you read. I'd like to see the relevant data you (should have) recorded during your experimentation with polyphasic sleep.

[Thelostcup]

Both of you shut the fuck up.

[MartialShot]

Also, your sentences are way too short. Each sentence should be a complete thought.

Yeh this is a rough draft, Iam working on just getting everything down first

[MartialShot]

That was better then I thought it would be. Although most of it was just summarizing the articles/books you read. I'd like to see the relevant data you (should have) recorded during your experimentation with polyphasic sleep.

Why do you think I post so much? Iam making data as we speak
Edit: Day 5 of Polyphasic Adjustment

[aliveupboy]

Why do you think I post so much? Iam making data as we speak
Edit: Day 5 of Polyphasic Adjustment

Well I don't see what posting on this forum has to do with anything. In regards to the lack of data, fair enough if the experiment is still in progress.

[MartialShot]

Well I don't see what posting on this forum has to do with anything. In regards to the lack of data, fair enough if the experiment is still in progress.

Theres 4 of us, 2 already dropped out and the one is falling asleep as we speak, Iam the last one left to gather data from, although this is all very theoretical data and very impractical there is no offical source on this besides clinical trials stating its impossible to accomplish, so I have to video tape everything I do to ensure that I never fall asleep or close my eyes for loner then 30 seconds. Aka posting on her incessantly is the only thing that helps, that and the 40 Liters of Red Rain

Anyways this is soo effing far off topic that Jackketch will close this in the morning and maybe infract one of us, so if your care enough to have a civilized discussion about it my pm is there otherwise, back to our regularly scheduled programming

[aliveupboy]

I don't really care enough to PM you about this. It would normally interest me but I'm too tired to right now. But yeah I'll stop derailing the thread now.

[Obelisk]

Anyways... While I agree with what was said earlier about memorizing things to say making conversations extremely awkward, you still need to have some ideas and topics in your head to begin with.


a) reading a guide on how to make cake written by someone who doesn't know shit about cake, or
b) using observation and trial and error. You're first cake might not turn out the best, but soon you're be the cakemon master.


You can't make the cake in the first place unless you've read a guide on how to make one. Once you've got the basics down you can improve from there.

The problem here is that everyone has vastly different experience with cooking.

[Knife in The Knight]

Martialshot and ALiveboy here's a protip: LEARN TO SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GET THE FUCK OUT!

though I think that aliveboy is just some random kidiot troll who is just fucking with you Martialshot and thus I agree with him that you are stupid because you keep feeding the troll/actually dumbnigger


Being yourself is key as far as personality but, maximizing how you look is also a big part as well because most people feel that they are better than others and are largely based off of the other peoples looks and where they think of themselves.

[MartialShot]

Martialshot and ALiveboy here's a protip: LEARN TO SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GET THE FUCK OUT!

though I think that aliveboy is just some random kidiot troll who is just fucking with you Martialshot and thus I agree with him that you are stupid because you keep feeding the troll/actually dumbnigger


Being yourself is key as far as personality but, maximizing how you look is also a big part as well because most people feel that they are better than others and are largely based off of the other peoples looks and where they think of themselves.

Umm when were you involved? Plus that shit ended like 5 posts ago?

[xxombie]

You can't make the cake in the first place unless you've read a guide on how to make one. Once you've got the basics down you can improve from there.

The problem here is that everyone has vastly different experience with cooking.

Well lets say we're a weird alien race that's born knowing instinctively how to make cake. So you if you practiced you'd get it down pretty fast. But then lets say you read a guide to making cake that is inaccurate and misleading in every way.

Then your cake is fucked.


But I fucking hate analogies and referring to girls as cake so lets stop.

[Valerius]

But if you're guitar teacher doesn't know shit about guitars you're better of teaching yourself.

Such is the case with these Protip threads that have been showing up.

How exactly do you know that? I'm not saying he can prove he's king of getting laid, but you cant exactly prove he isn't either.

What? That shit he says wouldn't work on you? Maybe not, maybe you don't want to think it would, but it may well be the freakin' cats pajamas when you're looking for poon tang.

You jsut don't want to believe that it's so simple, but it'd be simple for a girl to get a guy too if the tables were turned. Well frankly, it is. If a moderately attractive chick wants sex, bam she's got it. If a guy wants it, there's hoops to jump through, hence the people teaching others how to jump thru the hoop.

[Chris]

shit, girls got it easy. just show some titty and you're ass deep in whatever flavour of guy you want.

[yixil]

Well lets say we're a weird alien race that's born knowing instinctively how to make cake. So you if you practiced you'd get it down pretty fast. But then lets say you read a guide to making cake that is inaccurate and misleading in every way.

Then your cake is fucked.


But I fucking hate analogies and referring to girls as cake so lets stop.

Yeah, but this analogy is win.

[Cliche Guevara]

shit, girls got it easy. just show some titty and you're ass deep in whatever flavour of guy you want.

i think your severely underestimating the quality of the titty.

[Obelisk]

Well lets say we're a weird alien race that's born knowing instinctively how to make cake. So you if you practiced you'd get it down pretty fast. But then lets say you read a guide to making cake that is inaccurate and misleading in every way.

Then your cake is fucked.

But I fucking hate analogies and referring to girls as cake so lets stop.

Ok, this analogy is better. I'm just saying that some people need guides to get them going in the right direction. From there they can develop their own way of doing things.

/cake discussion

[Chris]

i think your severely underestimating the quality of the titty.

yeah right, if there was some fugly chick out there willing to spread her legs, there is some even uglier or drunker guy out there to fill the gap (in a matter of speaking)

we all know at least one of "those" guys.

[Chris]

Well lets say we're a weird alien race that's born knowing instinctively how to make cake. So you if you practiced you'd get it down pretty fast. But then lets say you read a guide to making cake that is inaccurate and misleading in every way.

Then your cake is fucked.


But I fucking hate analogies and referring to girls as cake so lets stop.

THE CAKE IS A LIE!

but seriously i get what you are trying to say.

[Carbonbased]

PUA- pickup artist
IOI- indicators of interest
BOE- bind on equipped. It's a WoW term; I threw it in there for dramatic effect :D

Shit, She's read The Game, she knows the code abort!!!

What your saying is that its more attractive for a guy to just walk over when your say, eating lunch by yourself wherever and say "hay saw you were eating alone, mind if sit?"

As apposed to throwing down some classic PUA technique?

[Death_Merchant]

I actually have a woman, a very attractive one. I could make a really good guide on how to pick up women, but it would really be a guide on how to improve your own social skills, so you have something going for you. Learning some interpersonal skills, learning about how most people think, and understanding how people are emotionally affected by your words, is worth your time. Most of this can be accomplished through listening, and trial and error. Be observant, it helps. Most guys are pretty good at talking to other guys, as we pretty much all think the same. Pretty much all women think the same way too, but differently than us guys. The easiest solution is to just start talking to random women. Don't go into the situation trying to get laid, just have a regular conversation. If you're a little rough around the edges, you're likely to notice that they'll respond poorly. Eventually, you get better at it, and become very comfortable, which is a display of what they call confidence. After that, when a girl takes interest, you just talk to them like you've always been doing. If they like you, they'll likely go on a date, hang out, and maybe suck your pee-pee. Women are just as interested in men as we are in them, and are often nervous too. If you can make a woman comfortable with you, she won't hesitate to much as things progress. Just get some balls, and go out and do it.

Introspective is a good thing. Think about how you act and treat others, and how you feel when others treat you in a similar way. If it's not something you'd really like, it probably means you should stop doing it. Also, people aren't a science project. This doesn't mean you can't experiment and study women, but when you start viewing them as something other than as a person, you're about to shoot yourself in the foot.

Really though, it's not really us guys fault that we don't know shit about women most of the time. Society has made some major changes in the last 60 years, and women's wants and needs of men has changed drastically. Even what our dads did in the past, is useless today. They didn't have to engage a woman's emotions, as women didn't expect us too. However, women have changed, you can't view them as targets or objects that you have to overcome; you have to adapt to meet their needs. If you don't, I hope you like jacking off or shelling out cash for prostitutes.

[Afromonk]

I actually have a woman, a very attractive one. I could make a really good guide on how to pick up women, but it would really be a guide on how to improve your own social skills, so you have something going for you. Learning some interpersonal skills, learning about how most people think, and understanding how people are emotionally affected by your words, is worth your time. Most of this can be accomplished through listening, and trial and error. Be observant, it helps. Most guys are pretty good at talking to other guys, as we pretty much all think the same. Pretty much all women think the same way too, but differently than us guys. The easiest solution is to just start talking to random women. Don't go into the situation trying to get laid, just have a regular conversation. If you're a little rough around the edges, you're likely to notice that they'll respond poorly. Eventually, you get better at it, and become very comfortable, which is a display of what they call confidence. After that, when a girl takes interest, you just talk to them like you've always been doing. If they like you, they'll likely go on a date, hang out, and maybe suck your pee-pee. Women are just as interested in men as we are in them, and are often nervous too. If you can make a woman comfortable with you, she won't hesitate to much as things progress. Just get some balls, and go out and do it.

Introspective is a good thing. Think about how you act and treat others, and how you feel when others treat you in a similar way. If it's not something you'd really like, it probably means you should stop doing it. Also, people aren't a science project. This doesn't mean you can't experiment and study women, but when you start viewing them as something other than as a person, you're about to shoot yourself in the foot.

Really though, it's not really us guys fault that we don't know shit about women most of the time. Society has made some major changes in the last 60 years, and women's wants and needs of men has changed drastically. Even what our dads did in the past, is useless today. They didn't have to engage a woman's emotions, as women didn't expect us too. However, women have changed, you can't view them as targets or objects that you have to overcome; you have to adapt to meet their needs. If you don't, I hope you like jacking off or shelling out cash for prostitutes.



This

[NiggerBabyRocketLauncher]

I should be able to just ask them to have sex with me and not waste my time talking to her. Fuckin feminists.

[Afromonk]

Lol.
Thats whats rape is for
:)

[Psychotic_Rave]

I actually have a woman, a very attractive one. I could make a really good guide on how to pick up women, but it would really be a guide on how to improve your own social skills, so you have something going for you. Learning some interpersonal skills, learning about how most people think, and understanding how people are emotionally affected by your words, is worth your time. Most of this can be accomplished through listening, and trial and error. Be observant, it helps. Most guys are pretty good at talking to other guys, as we pretty much all think the same. Pretty much all women think the same way too, but differently than us guys. The easiest solution is to just start talking to random women. Don't go into the situation trying to get laid, just have a regular conversation. If you're a little rough around the edges, you're likely to notice that they'll respond poorly. Eventually, you get better at it, and become very comfortable, which is a display of what they call confidence. After that, when a girl takes interest, you just talk to them like you've always been doing. If they like you, they'll likely go on a date, hang out, and maybe suck your pee-pee. Women are just as interested in men as we are in them, and are often nervous too. If you can make a woman comfortable with you, she won't hesitate to much as things progress. Just get some balls, and go out and do it.

Introspective is a good thing. Think about how you act and treat others, and how you feel when others treat you in a similar way. If it's not something you'd really like, it probably means you should stop doing it. Also, people aren't a science project. This doesn't mean you can't experiment and study women, but when you start viewing them as something other than as a person, you're about to shoot yourself in the foot.

Really though, it's not really us guys fault that we don't know shit about women most of the time. Society has made some major changes in the last 60 years, and women's wants and needs of men has changed drastically. Even what our dads did in the past, is useless today. They didn't have to engage a woman's emotions, as women didn't expect us too. However, women have changed, you can't view them as targets or objects that you have to overcome; you have to adapt to meet their needs. If you don't, I hope you like jacking off or shelling out cash for prostitutes.

i like this piece of advice. The whole thing really is about gaining and having confidence when talking to women. Yet i think the protips are merely pointers on how to gain that smooth confidence with women. Do you think the first time i went up and spoke to a random girl i wasn't nervous as hell? Of course i was. Yet its going to take someone a long ass time to figure out on their own how to deal with women when you can skip through alot of that learning process. Being confident isnt enough. Theres a talent to it. If your To confident you come off cocky. And not enough confidence and you can come off as needy or not secure. So you have to fine tune these things. It will take practice. Also when talking to women, you have to know what to say when to joke around, when to be serious and so on. If your trying to figure all of this out on your own your talking years of countless approaches to random women. I hate to say it but most guys dont have the balls for that. Its going to save you alot of time and trouble. I think the biggest thing here is that i hear alot of "just be natural" or "just be yourself" well if your no good with women thats not going to cut it. Try internalizing the right stuff... then just be yourself and youll have no problem. I loved when Silverfuck was talking about some crazy abbreviations for picking up women. Thats just silly. that sounds entirely to complicated. I dont recommend it at all. yet you say picking up women isnt a science. Well no not really. Yet, its not something your going to go out and pick up in one day. Specially if your trying to teach yourself. So take a tip or two. Dont knock it till you try it. Most of all if you dont want to follow any more advice than just this.. be confident. You may get called an asshole by friends that are used to your zero confidence self and some people may not like it, but in the long run its a big step in the right direction. This alone should increase the amount of women you meet and whatever else you want to do with them. :)

[WAN]

Using gimmicks and schemes to try to get girls to like you more doesn't work. Girls (and people in general) can tell when you're putting on a front to impress them, and it makes you come off and insecure, and lame.

When talking to girls, be yourself (yeah I know, you've heard it a million times before) and don't over think shit. Most of you here have a hard time talking to girls in the first place, if you pre-plan how you're going to act and what you're going to say, the conversation is going to be painfully awkward. If she doesn't like you when you're being natural, it's for the better. If you can't get along when you're being yourself then there's no way you should be perusing a relationship with this person.

Just seriously, spend less time trying to dissect the brains of girls trying to figure out what is appealing to them and go talk to some.

There is so much fucking sense being made here in this post that my head actually exploded upon having read it, then my landlady had to call in a Russian brain surgeon (Russia is known for having good brain surgery programs) to put it back together.

I agree about the gimmicks..I know people that uses magic to seduce girls..lame.

Lets pretend however that you just told a needy, un confident, apprival seeking, un funny, bad hygiene, ect.., guy to just be himself. He would then be needy, un confident, apprival seeking, un funny, and have bad hygiene. I'm sure that will work for him. There is noting wrong with improving yourself to you can get better with girls.

You are actually quite right.

I think that when people say, "just be yourself", they also mean within reason. Of course you can't take that literally, otherwise you would be burping, farting, picking your nose etc etc in front of girls all the time. What people really mean is that don't try to be something you are not, personality-wise. As in, if you are not a genuinely funny person, do not try and be funny/witty. People can spot it a mile away. If you are naturally quiet/reserved, don't think in a self-defeatist way that girls will not like you for sure. It's true that some girls indeed are not attracted to the shy/quiet type, however for every girl who rejects you for being this, I can find you a girl who will like you precisely because of it.

Girls are different. Your personality (provided that you are not overly anti-social/obnoxious/weird/creepy/violent/whatever) WILL attract at least some of them.

[AnalHerpes]

I think the key phrase here is don't be ASHAMED to be yourself. It's impossible to not be yourself. If you're a rich suburban kid who thinks he's a gangster, then that's who you are, but you probably look really insecure/awkward/unnatural doing it. I think what people mean is be comfortable with who you are.

Also, with learning to bake cakes or play guitar, the analogy is hard to apply because these are skills that you don't really get outside feedback from in what you're doing wrong. If you teach yourself to a skill, a lot of times you learn bad habits which then become hard to unlearn. For trying to pick up women or make friends, you receive a lot more feedback from others (well, to the degree of what you learn when you realize you have no friends or can't get laid).

I haven't eaten or slept that well in the past few days so I kind of confused myself with that last paragraph.

[WAN]

lol you suck

i talk to girls all the time i talked to a girl for like five minutes once. best day of my life. i duno what it is about girls but anything they say is magically delightful and as soon as it happens i run home and write everything they said in my diary and cherish it forever in an alter like shrine.
lol

if this is actually true it's cute


I hate to make this analogy, but think of it this way: are you going to make a better cake by,
a) reading a guide on how to make cake written by someone who doesn't know shit about cake, or
b) using observation and trial and error. You're first cake might not turn out the best, but soon you're be the cakemon master.


I made a cake once, and it turned out to be shit. I am never the same person again.

[Death_Merchant]

i like this piece of advice. The whole thing really is about gaining and having confidence when talking to women. Yet i think the protips are merely pointers on how to gain that smooth confidence with women. Do you think the first time i went up and spoke to a random girl i wasn't nervous as hell? Of course i was. Yet its going to take someone a long ass time to figure out on their own how to deal with women when you can skip through alot of that learning process. Being confident isnt enough. Theres a talent to it. If your To confident you come off cocky. And not enough confidence and you can come off as needy or not secure. So you have to fine tune these things. It will take practice. Also when talking to women, you have to know what to say when to joke around, when to be serious and so on. If your trying to figure all of this out on your own your talking years of countless approaches to random women. I hate to say it but most guys dont have the balls for that. Its going to save you alot of time and trouble. I think the biggest thing here is that i hear alot of "just be natural" or "just be yourself" well if your no good with women thats not going to cut it. Try internalizing the right stuff... then just be yourself and youll have no problem. I loved when Silverfuck was talking about some crazy abbreviations for picking up women. Thats just silly. that sounds entirely to complicated. I dont recommend it at all. yet you say picking up women isnt a science. Well no not really. Yet, its not something your going to go out and pick up in one day. Specially if your trying to teach yourself. So take a tip or two. Dont knock it till you try it. Most of all if you dont want to follow any more advice than just this.. be confident. You may get called an asshole by friends that are used to your zero confidence self and some people may not like it, but in the long run its a big step in the right direction. This alone should increase the amount of women you meet and whatever else you want to do with them. :)

It's not that hard to figure out women. You only need to know this. Women connect with the emotions you express. As guys, we don't use emotion to explain things, so we come of as rather cold. You don't have to become a big pussy, just incorporate some expression of emotion. Be manly, but show a gentle side.

Example: your dog dies

For guys: My dog died the other day. Oh well, he was old.

For the girls. I'm really sad cause my dog died the other day. I know he was old, but I'm really going to miss him. I felt like crying when I found out.( wait for the hugs) It helps to think about those emotions while saying it, as it will project through body language, which women tend to focus on a lot.

Incorporate this into everything while talking to women.

Here's another one. The scenario is your female friend got cheated on.

You should react something like this: What a fucking jerk! What the hell is wrong with him? Are you ok? I'm really sorry that this happened to you. See the transition from angry to caring. Her initial reaction was anger and then sadness. First you relate with anger, and then cater to her sadness. Be sincere though.

That's how you be a man these days. You cater to a woman's emotional needs, without becoming an emotional wreck yourself. Essentially feel the emotion, but don't let it affect you.

[xxombie]

I should be able to just ask them to have sex with me and not waste my time talking to her. Fuckin feminists.

I'm a feminist, and I see nothing wrong with going up to a chick and asking her if she wants to have sex with you. Unless you're Brad Pitt she'll probably say no, but it's worth a try.

[Nitronick]

Using gimmicks and schemes to try to get girls to like you more doesn't work. Girls (and people in general) can tell when you're putting on a front to impress them, and it makes you come off and insecure, and lame.

When talking to girls, be yourself (yeah I know, you've heard it a million times before) and don't over think shit. Most of you here have a hard time talking to girls in the first place, if you pre-plan how you're going to act and what you're going to say, the conversation is going to be painfully awkward. If she doesn't like you when you're being natural, it's for the better. If you can't get along when you're being yourself then there's no way you should be perusing a relationship with this person.

Just seriously, spend less time trying to dissect the brains of girls trying to figure out what is appealing to them and go talk to some.

Alot of girls are idiots though. They do stuff that doesn't make sense, it's all becuase todays society is too soft and women are not controlled as they should be.

[WAN]

All the confidence and conversational skills in the world do you no good if your ugly though.

However, money cures ugly.

So

Average looking to attractive- Conversational skills/confidence
Average and below- get rich. Use all the time your not getting laid to become wealthy.

1. You are a cynic.
2. Not just any cynic, but one who is wrong. And is very likely to get a rude awakening in the world someday.
3. While it's true that women also take a man's looks into account, it is my belief that a man/guy's looks do not matter nearly as much as a woman's, in terms of attracting someone. I think what you probably meant to say is that if a guy is so severely ugly as to almost make him look disfigured, then yes, he will likely be shunned by most females. But with the vast majority of guys, even the ones who are "ugly" by all standards, they can still find a girl if they have other desirable qualities that make up for their (supposed) lack of physical attractiveness.


i think your severely underestimating the quality of the titty.

No offense but that didn't make any sense.

Did you mean to say, "you are over-estimating the ability of boobs to attract male attention", or some such? Though I could be completely off, seeing as how I had no idea what you were trying to say.

I actually have a woman, a very attractive one. I could make a really good guide on how to pick up women, but it would really be a guide on how to improve your own social skills, so you have something going for you. Learning some interpersonal skills, learning about how most people think, and understanding how people are emotionally affected by your words, is worth your time. Most of this can be accomplished through listening, and trial and error. Be observant, it helps. Most guys are pretty good at talking to other guys, as we pretty much all think the same. Pretty much all women think the same way too, but differently than us guys. The easiest solution is to just start talking to random women. Don't go into the situation trying to get laid, just have a regular conversation. If you're a little rough around the edges, you're likely to notice that they'll respond poorly. Eventually, you get better at it, and become very comfortable, which is a display of what they call confidence. After that, when a girl takes interest, you just talk to them like you've always been doing. If they like you, they'll likely go on a date, hang out, and maybe suck your pee-pee. Women are just as interested in men as we are in them, and are often nervous too. If you can make a woman comfortable with you, she won't hesitate to much as things progress. Just get some balls, and go out and do it.

Introspective is a good thing. Think about how you act and treat others, and how you feel when others treat you in a similar way. If it's not something you'd really like, it probably means you should stop doing it. Also, people aren't a science project. This doesn't mean you can't experiment and study women, but when you start viewing them as something other than as a person, you're about to shoot yourself in the foot.

Really though, it's not really us guys fault that we don't know shit about women most of the time. Society has made some major changes in the last 60 years, and women's wants and needs of men has changed drastically. Even what our dads did in the past, is useless today. They didn't have to engage a woman's emotions, as women didn't expect us too. However, women have changed, you can't view them as targets or objects that you have to overcome; you have to adapt to meet their needs. If you don't, I hope you like jacking off or shelling out cash for prostitutes.

It's not that hard to figure out women. You only need to know this. Women connect with the emotions you express. As guys, we don't use emotion to explain things, so we come of as rather cold. You don't have to become a big pussy, just incorporate some expression of emotion. Be manly, but show a gentle side.

Example: your dog dies

For guys: My dog died the other day. Oh well, he was old.

For the girls. I'm really sad cause my dog died the other day. I know he was old, but I'm really going to miss him. I felt like crying when I found out.( wait for the hugs) It helps to think about those emotions while saying it, as it will project through body language, which women tend to focus on a lot.

Incorporate this into everything while talking to women.

Here's another one. The scenario is your female friend got cheated on.

You should react something like this: What a fucking jerk! What the hell is wrong with him? Are you ok? I'm really sorry that this happened to you. See the transition from angry to caring. Her initial reaction was anger and then sadness. First you relate with anger, and then cater to her sadness. Be sincere though.

That's how you be a man these days. You cater to a woman's emotional needs, without becoming an emotional wreck yourself. Essentially feel the emotion, but don't let it affect you.

Sound advice.

Just to add my own: I would recommend that when you talk to a woman, don't think to yourself: "ok, so I am now talking to a woman, I am gonna do this and that". No. Just talk to her like you would talk to a guy (within reason, of course. You can't be calling her fag or telling off-colour jokes and such).

Women are people too, and they respond to spoken words just like men, in majority of the cases. That being said, I personally cannot vouch for whether women do indeed tend to think/react in an emotional sense, because I find that I personally tend to think in a logical way (if I may say so myself). So maybe people do have a point when they say that men and women sometimes cannot clearly communicate to each other.


Also, on xxombie's cake analogy:

I think what she's trying to say is that practice is more important than reading. I don't think she's saying that you should just go out there and hit on girls through trial and error without at least having a little bit of knowledge first.

[Psychotic_Rave]

It's not that hard to figure out women. You only need to know this. Women connect with the emotions you express. As guys, we don't use emotion to explain things, so we come of as rather cold. You don't have to become a big pussy, just incorporate some expression of emotion. Be manly, but show a gentle side.

Example: your dog dies

For guys: My dog died the other day. Oh well, he was old.

For the girls. I'm really sad cause my dog died the other day. I know he was old, but I'm really going to miss him. I felt like crying when I found out.( wait for the hugs) It helps to think about those emotions while saying it, as it will project through body language, which women tend to focus on a lot.

Incorporate this into everything while talking to women.

Here's another one. The scenario is your female friend got cheated on.

You should react something like this: What a fucking jerk! What the hell is wrong with him? Are you ok? I'm really sorry that this happened to you. See the transition from angry to caring. Her initial reaction was anger and then sadness. First you relate with anger, and then cater to her sadness. Be sincere though.

That's how you be a man these days. You cater to a woman's emotional needs, without becoming an emotional wreck yourself. Essentially feel the emotion, but don't let it affect you.

This is actually quite good .. but complicated advice.
Its sounds very similar neural linguistics programming
I read about the theory and how its used to "pick women up" yet not many guys are really going to understand it. They dont know how to properly use their emotions to evoke the effect that you would want and usually end up looking really pansy or needy. Using your emotions is key. You never want to approach a girl all sad you want to be happy and confident. Dont try to meet her standards. Remember that your also the prize and if you guys hit it off it is a win win situation because you have gotten an awesome chick and she has gotten an awesome guy. So im my experience use your emotions but in no means dont be too emotional. Specially because she wants someone that is strong emotional to suport her. She wants an alpha male.

[Death_Merchant]

This is actually quite good .. but complicated advice.
Its sounds very similar neural linguistics programming
I read about the theory and how its used to "pick women up" yet not many guys are really going to understand it. They dont know how to properly use their emotions to evoke the effect that you would want and usually end up looking really pansy or needy. Using your emotions is key. You never want to approach a girl all sad you want to be happy and confident. Dont try to meet her standards. Remember that your also the prize and if you guys hit it off it is a win win situation because you have gotten an awesome chick and she has gotten an awesome guy. So im my experience use your emotions but in no means dont be too emotional. Specially because she wants someone that is strong emotional to suport her. She wants an alpha male.

Well, it can take a while to learn and master it, but you have to ask yourself a question. Do you want to get laid, or not? Once you learn it, there isn't a single woman that gives you a smile or a double look, that you won't be able to strike up a conversation with. I'll post a guide.

[Psychotic_Rave]

Well, it can take a while to learn and master it, but you have to ask yourself a question. Do you want to get laid, or not? Once you learn it, there isn't a single woman that gives you a smile or a double look, that you won't be able to strike up a conversation with. I'll post a guide.

oh i have my own methods for talking and seducing women. That have become quite natural. I enjoy them. Im not an overly emotional person and i have spent to long training myself to be more alpha. So the emotion thing.. i use just enough. I never really could pick up that style, yet i know if you can master it .. its one of the most effective styles. I just dont think many guys will be able to efficiently learn without personal instruction. A guide would be great. Looking forward to reading it.

[40oz.sauce]

xxombie is easy, don't listen to her.

[Winston_Smith]

So it's kinda like how your parents try to teach you to drive but you're like "fuck off! failure is part of learning!" And get in a big wreck and die?

Or when you go to a job and they're like "Ok, Bob's gonna train you cause he's been doing this since he was your age." And you're like "Fuck off! Failure is part of learning!" And the whole place goes up in smoke and you die? Is it like that?

That's fucking gold.

[xxombie]

xxombie is easy, don't listen to her.

Ahaha, fuck off dick tits, you're ruining my reputation.

[refugee]

thats why when you actually tell a girl you dont give a fuck what she thinks when you hang, they automatically get an inkling of "i want to fuck this guy" because in female nature, you guys like abuse because it is attention. and girls are attention whores. and this is coming from experience, ive been on many a date where I feel as if im being judged or looked down upon, then explained I dont give two fucks what they think about me and go about my business, then gotten laid a few hours later. unfortunately BITCHES dont want a nice guy, they want a fucking asshole, so that's what ive decided to give them.

so, tell them you dont give a fuck about them, then they will feel the need to prove themselves to you so that you will give a fuck. reverse attention drives beezys nuts.



im a sex addict by the way.

[Winston_Smith]

Personally I find it easy to talk to women, the way I choose to look at it, is you may as well go for it, the worst that can happen is she'll be uninterested, and then you're in the same position in which you started, so nothing lost.

[aliveupboy]

If your really nervous when talking to girls I got a protip for ya. Go into a bar or some other place that contains women. Try to pick some up, but fail on purpose. Purposely get rejected over and over again. After a few hours of that, you won't be scared of getting rejected anymore. And BAM, nervousness gone when talking to females. Accepting rejection = no fear of rejection = no nervousness when trying to pick up chicks = confidence = pussy.

Note: I have not tested this out and am not liable for any fail that may occur.

[Death_Merchant]

thats why when you actually tell a girl you dont give a fuck what she thinks when you hang, they automatically get an inkling of "i want to fuck this guy" because in female nature, you guys like abuse because it is attention. and girls are attention whores. and this is coming from experience, ive been on many a date where I feel as if im being judged or looked down upon, then explained I dont give two fucks what they think about me and go about my business, then gotten laid a few hours later. unfortunately BITCHES dont want a nice guy, they want a fucking asshole, so that's what ive decided to give them.

so, tell them you dont give a fuck about them, then they will feel the need to prove themselves to you so that you will give a fuck. reverse attention drives beezys nuts.

im a sex addict by the way.

Did you know that women that respond this way have a mental illness? I'm really not kidding. Women who do this, are addicted to psychopathic behaviors. All your relationships with these women will be chaotic messes. They have an addiction to the roller coaster relationships. See with you, they get hot and cold episodes in a relationship. The emotional chaos gives them a high, and then a crash, which then becomes an addictive thing. It's as much a problem with her as it is with you. All of those relationships usually end badly, high divorce rates, etc...

[Mankonaut X]

lol you suck

i talk to girls all the time i talked to a girl for like five minutes once. best day of my life. i duno what it is about girls but anything they say is magically delightful and as soon as it happens i run home and write everything they said in my diary and cherish it forever in an alter like shrine.

I lol'd buckets.

[Roll Fizzlebeef]

xxombie is easy, don't listen to her.

http://i41.tinypic.com/126eib8.jpg

[40oz.sauce]

Ahaha, fuck off dick tits, you're ruining my reputation.

but it's true! aha:p

[#1 Stunna]

...cherish it forever in an alter like shrine.
Here, you meant "altar".

[Agent 008]

Lol, my sister is a big time serious player, so I got curious and gave it a try. I play really rarely...I actually haven't played at all in a week or two, but it's fun occasionally. It's taken me over two years to get to level 45, which says something about how often I actually play.


One thing it says is that you've been playing it for two years! :eek:

Also, pics of sister are now mandatory and you know it. :)

[Silverfuck]

One thing it says is that you've been playing it for two years! :eek:

Also, pics of sister are not mandatory and you know it. :)

On and off :mad:

I know you meant to say they are now mandatory, but I like the typo better.

[ZeroMalarki]

Practice makes perfect!

[Agent 008]

I know you meant to say they are now mandatory, but I like the typo better.

I can't believe I made a typo like that! :mad:

[Bender]

Using gimmicks and schemes to try to get girls to like you more doesn't work. Girls (and people in general) can tell when you're putting on a front to impress them, and it makes you come off and insecure, and lame.

When talking to girls, be yourself (yeah I know, you've heard it a million times before) and don't over think shit. Most of you here have a hard time talking to girls in the first place, if you pre-plan how you're going to act and what you're going to say, the conversation is going to be painfully awkward. If she doesn't like you when you're being natural, it's for the better. If you can't get along when you're being yourself then there's no way you should be perusing a relationship with this person.

Just seriously, spend less time trying to dissect the brains of girls trying to figure out what is appealing to them and go talk to some.


Yeah, it makes rejection alot less painful. And if you did manage to get into a relationship with her. It wouldn't last cuz your not yourself. You'd constantly be living a lie.

"Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go threw life son."

[xxombie]

http://i41.tinypic.com/126eib8.jpg

OH SHIT SON :o

[psycho_8b]

You are very right, Xxombie...But what if a relationship isn't the goal?

Picture a guy who works nine to five, Monday to Friday...Boring job that basically kills his soul...When Friday night comes around, he hasn't had any time to practice being himself all week and he just plain wants some pussy to take away the monotony.

What' he going to do...Tell a chick about his high flying job in accounts receivable and the mountain of paperwork he has to do...Or try some gimmickery?

Without a good release during everyday life to work on things, sometimes all a person has is lies and gimmicks.

[WAN]

I can't believe I made a typo like that! :mad:

1. lol i know right?
2. :mad: doesn't cut it in a situation like this, you need something more along the lines of :



http://bbs.zoklet.net/images/smilies/totse/mad.gif

[aliveupboy]

^She wouldn't post pics of her sis anyways, typo or not. You're wasting your time.

[Mankonaut X]

^She wouldn't post pics of her sis anyways, typo or not. You're wasting your time.

Aw SHIT. I thought we could have had her with that 'mandatory' scam. Cos it's not REALLY mandatory LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOOLOOLOKJJN<Bfng

[loribelle]

There is actually more to life than getting laid.

NO!!!

[Rubik's Cube]

Alright kids, I wasn’t planning on writing such a monster of a post, but it accidentally evolved into this, so read it and read it carefully. There are a lot of things you can learn here.

First and foremost, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with seduction guides. Like any other kind of guide, it’s a useful tool for anyone who isn’t naturally skilled in a particular field. Like any other guide, it has its limitations. Repetition is the key to mastery, and without practice, the information contained in these guides is little more than useless knowledge. Nevertheless, if the advice presented in them didn’t work (or at least didn’t steer people in the right direction), there wouldn’t be a market for them, and if there wasn’t a market for them, they wouldn’t exist.

The reason guides are needed for a process that should come naturally to humans is in large part because we live in a very counter-intuitive society. Despite the fact that even in this day and age you still hear a lot of women complaining about the fact that men run everything, the truth is that we live in a very, very feminized society. So much so in fact, that I am afraid to imagine what a more effeminate society than this one would look like. What a lifeless ocean of estrogen it would be. But I digress.

In today’s society, boys are subconsciously taught that they are not as intelligent, not as capable, not as mature, not as nice, and just flat out not as good as their female counterparts. They are taught to repress the masculine, to shun it like the plague, and to embrace the feminine instead. Consequently, boys grow up suppressing their urges, indoctrinated with feminist propaganda that screams at them to go against their intuition. Some of us are able to block away or filter the poison out of our minds, many of us aren’t. Girls on the other hand are subconsciously and often not-so-subconsciously taught that they are all beautiful princesses and that they should be treated as such, that their sexuality is a precious thing that should be worshipped far and wide and that their vaginas should be fought for tooth-and-nail, and so on and so forth. By the time puberty/early adulthood comes around, the result of this disaster is many confused boys (“isn’t this what girls want?!”) and even more confused girls (“why can’t I find a real man?!”). Many of you find yourselves among these groups, which is normal, unfortunately. Male/female relations have never in the history of humanity been as low as they are today. Common understanding between the sexes is so poor that it’s often difficult to believe we’re even part of the same species anymore.

This brainwashing is also the main reason why most women disapprove of practices such as prostitution, and even seduction guides. How so? Because, in the case of prostitution for example, it places a price on an allegedly priceless commodity. It teaches woman that her precious gift, the one she has been venerated for her entire life, her means to controlling any man she wants… can be bought (and for not a particularly large sum of money either). That it can be acquired without a battle. That it is perfectly within the grasp of any Dick, Tom or Harry who wants it. It’s a humbling experience that completely strips woman of all her power, and she hates it. A similar mental process applies to seduction guides. “How could anyone possibly systematically draw a roadmap into my pants?” she wonders. “This stuff would never work on me, I am much more complex than that.” How wrong she is. Very few people, men and women alike (but especially women), cannot be manipulated.

Seduction guides are far from useless. Even the advice from a couple of posters on the last page is nothing more than rehashed, less detailed and less systematised versions of the stuff that’s out there. The point to reading it isn’t to teach you to use magic tricks or some other bullshit. The point is to teach you to be whatever it is that reflects your best qualities. To act the part, dress the part, speak the part, BE the part. Ultimately, a master of these guides isn’t a master of gimmicks and tricks. A master of these guides is a master of human psychology.

For some more practical advice, for those of you who don’t have much going for you, I would highly advise you stop worrying about women altogether and focus 100% of your energies on improving your social-economic status. Get involved socially and be a fucking man and I can virtually guarantee you that things will fall into place by themselves. As for those of you who’s lives have become consumed with the living nightmare of never getting laid, to the point where you can hardly think of anything else (I can sympathize, I was there a long time ago), fake it till you make it. But keep trying. Remember Totse’s famous words? Read, learn and do? Get to it.

It also doesn’t hurt to think outside of the box. You need to practice talking to people? Get a telemarketing job. Are you generally an unconfident person? Take a public speaking course. Need a new way to manage your stress? Try yoga. Seriously.

Remember this, the ONE thing all successful people in all walks of life have in common is that they’re capable of facing their fears and doing the things they don’t enjoy doing. If you can do this, you will be successful in absolutely anything you want to be.

[The English Gentleman]

fail, only one protip to rule them all, to bind them, to eventually fuck them... Chloroform, nothing else is needed apart from maybe a cloth.

n.b. Pickup line to go with this, 'Does this smell of chloroform?' (this works 80% of the time, all the time)

[jackketch]

In today’s society, boys are subconsciously taught that they are not as intelligent, not as capable, not as mature, not as nice, and just flat out not as good as their female counterparts. They are taught to repress the masculine, to shun it like the plague, and to embrace the feminine instead. Consequently, boys grow up suppressing their urges, indoctrinated with feminist propaganda that screams at them to go against their intuition. Some of us are able to block away or filter the poison out of our minds, many of us aren’t.

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[King of the world]

+ Mod Rep

How come this thread is bumped up, was a post deleted from here?

Either way this and the post jackk quoted seriously needs to be read and understood by many people in this forum.

[ergoat]

Edit: Woah, didn't realize this is a fucken ancient thread.

Seriously man, this is the equivalent of breaking into a retirement village and raping their women.