Immigration policy in Europe

[Ferlas child of mars]

Yearly ten thousands of immigrant travel by boats to reach Europe. These immigrants, of various African nationalities, should be treated by European Human Rights Law. Many southern European countries refuse to do so; my example in this matter is Italy and its new immigration laws. This law forbids exploiting shelter and homes to illegal immigrant, forces hospitals to report illegals to the police, and decrease harshness of immigration/asylum procedures.

The other side of the coin; the Italian people are fed up with the criminal refugee/immigrant, who have reached the main land. This is a problem because the illegal immigrants are invisible for the police to see in files or to track down. So, new laws and harsh immigration procedures are considered the solution for immigration problems.

Many of these (refugees?) destroyed their papers, so that the authorities are troubled tracking their nationalities, in order to stall time. Others describe themselves as political refugees. Most of them just want a better life and want to enter Europe at all costs, legal or illegal is no issue for these poor people.

Huge differences exist between national asylum systems in Europe, making the asylum system a 'lottery' for refugees. For this reason, EU countries are working to develop and establish a Common European Asylum System (CEAS).

What is the opinion of the Zoklet reader in this matter? What do you think of this CEAS?

[Vox Ducis]

If those invaders were shot in their boats - with international live coverage - the problem would be solved.

[khuipinatik]

sometimes i think it would be cheaper to just carpet bomb these countries with packs of €20, because african illegals come here, don't find work (there's enough work force from eastern Europe, and better qualified), hang around, pop a few kids, get some sort of papers, their kids get national ID, and there's another happy family of 5 or more leeching away on the social security budget. suburban paris, madrid or rome are packed with these cases.

spend the money there, on mali or niger or wherever, fixate the populations where they live, not augment the bait over this side of the med.

[Struwwelpeter]

I admire the resiliency of the Italians and some other nearby nations. Non-white immigrants have no place in Europe, not just because of their racial and cultural complex, but because of the crime, their attitudes, and the drain the put on the healthcare and legal system. The EU is destroying European culture, European rights, and European racial identity by encouraging immigrants to come to Europe. Europe is the last majorly white stronghold in the world and it has to be defended. The methods the Russians and other Eastern Europeans use for immigrant discipline and discouragement should be practiced all over the continent.

[khuipinatik]

...The methods the Russians and other Eastern Europeans use for immigrant discipline and discouragement should be practiced all over the continent.

err sorry but russians are socially just a few notches from african blacks, they can be "white" but they're a sort of "nigeria-on-the-snows" you need to live there to understand it, kleptocratia, no sense of citizenship, natural resources as the only form of income (directly or indirectly), that racial thing is sort of bogus.

the renaissance was only possible because the arabs kept and developed Roman and Greek knowledge and passed it on to Europe, unfortunately nowadays arabs only pass gas...

[Struwwelpeter]

Oh there's no doubt Russia has it's problems. I've not yet been there but I've been on the border and met with many Russians and spent a great deal of time learning about Russia today, I believe that being a recovering former Soviet state has a few things to do with it. The Arab or simply Muslim thing is explained partially by the fact that the Muslims of today racially are not the Muslims of yesteryear even as far back as the Saracens.

[LiquidIce]

(there's enough work force from eastern Europe, and better qualified)
Hehe. I've actually served my month in Glasgow as a glass collector - Now I can take my girlfriend to the spa and drink as much beer as my little soul wants.

But on topic:
I like racist jokes. But I am not a racist.

BUT I hate it when people bring their problems to other people. And they do so without invitation. These immigrants either come and increase the crime rate or the leech off the social system. It is very rare for them to actually become a part of society. Look at France and their riots a few years back - immigrants come, establish ghettos, make kids, their kids work as cleaners or turn to crime and then they make their own kids. This all happens outside of the french society. Suddenly they feel alienated and start useless riots. That is something that sucks, isn't it?

Ok, the 1st and 2nd world countries have fucked over Africa a couple of times but we are also helping them. If they cannot cope with contraception and the surplus people have to escape and become someones else's problem, then I see this as a huge cultural problem.

I would actually increase immigrations policies in Europe. Unless someone can actually show that they're suitible for European society (for example - know english, eligible to work, not a druggie) then they'd be let in. But this won't happen because Europeans are all about multiculturalism, which imho will fuck us over in the long run.

[Ferlas child of mars]

I would actually increase immigrations policies in Europe. Unless someone can actually show that they're suitible for European society (for example - know english, eligible to work, not a druggie) then they'd be let in. But this won't happen because Europeans are all about multiculturalism, which imho will fuck us over in the long run.

Haha indeed, here is a good example:

In Holland there is a ‘’integration program’’ for all immigrants and refugees. This program learns them the Dutch language and the norms and values in this (by origin) Christian country. This was a failure, it did not work…. It even made things worse than they were, in Belgium they had no such thing and the immigrants are better integrated there than in Holland.

[Launchpad]

This thread seems to be discussing 2 different things : 1.) What should be done to deal with African (and I imagine Middle Eastern) immigration to Europe, and 2.) How should these communities integrate once they Are here.

I'm going to have to take a different approach than many of the other posters who want to shoot them or whatever...

With regards to the first question, of immigration - be it legal or illegal ... The EU does NOT have the position that these immigrants are totally unwanted. Perhaps specific nations have problems with it, especially now that the global recession is hitting, but the main line out of Brussels is strangely silent on the issue. I believe this is because of the European Neighborhood Policy, which specifically includes many of the African and Middle Eastern countries that these immigrants are arriving from (Morocco, Algeria, Libya, Jordan, etc.). The ENP allows for better relationships with the EU for countries who do not have any realistic chance of joining, yet the EU wants to protect its borders (In the sense that it does not want any of these countries to become virulently anti-EU). With respects to demands from the EU, these countries are required to reach certain human rights, economic, or political goals, and in return the EU will help with public finance, reduced tariffs, and allowing for easier immigration from these countries. This is, I imagine the reasoning behind the push for the creation of the CEAS - I must admit I don't really know anything about the European asylum system, but with regards to the ENP and etc. I hope I've explained myself correctly - feel free to jump in anyone.

On the second issue, how do these groups integrate when they arrive...It is hard to say, as different countries have different examples. To use the example Liquid Ice brought forward, I will discuss Muslim integration in France and compare it to the way they have dealt with integration in Great Britain.

In France - far from 'all happening outside of French society', the original Muslim immigrants actually integrated quite well. 40 years ago when the first Muslim workers immigrated to France, they fairly well became 'French' - taking in the culture, sending their kids to French schools - basically assimilating. This, however, did not help them the second and third generations from these original migrants faced hardship in the business world where, despite being legitimate French citizens, were still viewed by many as immigrants. Muslims are still extremely underrepresented in French politics, and the only places they are overrepresented is in the prisons and on the football pitches (where many of them spent their childhoods playing with the other French kids..just look at the French teams). This difficulty to break out of the 'migrant worker' stereotype (the same thing w/ Turks in Germany happens as well) leads to many of them remaining in the same suburbs where they're parents or grand parents grew up - areas lacking in all infrastructure other than sleeping dorms originally meant for migrant workers. It was a result of THIS that lead to the riots in 2005, it was NOT a sudden Islamic rejection of all things French and a refusal to integrate, it was a push back against a society with which they have tried for 40 years to integrate and will not allow them to do so.

The Muslims in Britain did things a little differently - perhaps learning from the French example. When the first Muslims began immigrating to Britain, they did not attempt to integrate with British society, they began forming their own neighborhoods in London where Islam is taught and followed and children grow up in a traditional Muslim neighborhood. Whenever new Muslim immigrants arrive, they often move into these neighborhoods, where they feel welcomed. They most likely stick to themselves, and anybody (for the Brits on zoklet) whose gone into these neighborhoods to do interviews or anything can tell you, its like going into a little Cairo or Baghdad..very strange atmosphere. But anyway, look at the results of this refusal to integrate. In Britain, Muslims are Overrepresented in the upper echelons - look at all the Muslim politicians, doctors, and lawyers in London. Anybody ever watch the British apprentice? Lots of Muslim lads on there. They are not represented in the traditional 'lower class' activities such as football - how many Muslims in the Premiere League? 2? It seems that the refusal to integrate has caused their society to introvert and succeed while doing so..Keep in mind I am not claiming this is a good thing, just pointing out that this is what has happened.

In France we have seen immigrants (and even racially different French citizens) attempt to integrate and be rejected, while in Britain they refuse to integrate and flourish.

To Ferlas, I don't know much about the Dutch program, but I lived in Rotterdam for awhile with a friend. We were both lowly students so we lived in something of a ghetto, it was basically us - two white boys from Canada, in the middle of a whole pile of Moroccans and Turkish - a little out of place. However, out of all the people around the area - recent immigrants many, I never came across somebody who could speak no English, and many could speak Dutch as well (which is more than I could say for myself) I don't know how culturally integrated they were, but it was my feeling that Holland was a very accepting multicultural society anyway - What would you say were the major failings of the Dutch integration program?

Also, despite being somewhat of a run down neighborhood, I never felt in danger walking around after dark...which is more I can say about many American cities. Crime didn't seem to be that big of an issue.

[Vox Ducis]

In France - far from 'all happening outside of French society', the original Muslim immigrants actually integrated quite well. 40 years ago when the first Muslim workers immigrated to France, they fairly well became 'French' - taking in the culture, sending their kids to French schools - basically assimilating.

That's called "Taqiyah".

This, however, did not help them the second and third generations from these original migrants faced hardship in the business world where, despite being legitimate French citizens, were still viewed by many as immigrants.

That's what they are.

Muslims are still extremely underrepresented in French politics, and the only places they are overrepresented is in the prisons and on the football pitches (where many of them spent their childhoods playing with the other French kids..just look at the French teams).

It's the consequence of their will to remain Arabs and Muslims even in an European and Christian country.
If they are in prison, there may be a reason, no ? Do you think the cops send Muslims to jail each time they see one ?

This difficulty to break out of the 'migrant worker' stereotype (the same thing w/ Turks in Germany happens as well) leads to many of them remaining in the same suburbs where they're parents or grand parents grew up - areas lacking in all infrastructure other than sleeping dorms originally meant for migrant workers.

If it's better in their coutries, why do they come here ? A French humorist once said (in the mid 80's) : "There are 3 millions immigrants in France, but also 3 millions jobless people. Seek the mistake."

It was a result of THIS that lead to the riots in 2005, it was NOT a sudden Islamic rejection of all things French and a refusal to integrate, it was a push back against a society with which they have tried for 40 years to integrate and will not allow them to do so.

The Muslims rejected the French society since the Algerian War (1954-1962). They only sought revenge upon us, they dissimulated their real goals until their number began to be very high. They never tried to integrate : finding a few of them trying to do so is not a proof.
There are riots everyday in France. The Black-Arab-Muslim gangs constantly attack the Police stations, especially in the Paris area.

In France we have seen immigrants (and even racially different French citizens) attempt to integrate and be rejected, while in Britain they refuse to integrate and flourish.


Oh really ? Poor immigrants. Would you accept in your country people who :
- commit theft dozens of times and still get suspended sentences.
- gang rape teenagers, even of their own faith.
- live on social welfare (400 €/month by person, 650 for a couple, more than 1000 with 2 or 3 children. Obviously, the government pays a large part of their rental, give them free public transport subscription, etc. And most of women make the government believe they are separated from their husband or that he's gone : therefore, they can get a lot more).
- wreak havoc the apartments they live in and have them repaired for free.
- don't pay electricity and water bills.
- cost the French taxpayers more than 40 billions € every year (15% of the State budget).
(It's an non-exhaustive list)

You don't know anything to Islam and France. When there are 10-15% of Muslims in Ireland acting like in France, you won't have the same opinion.

[sideshow]

We already have alot of people without a job, why should we let more people come to europe? we shouldnt. I say close the borders, if we ever need more people, we will ask for them! Seriously letting all those poor unschooled blacks end Turks in is only going to make things worse.

[LiquidIce]

Vox Ducis - very good points.

Also: http://boskiateista.wordpress.com/2009/04/05/francuscy-licealisci-darwin-na-drzewo/#more-1947
It's in Polish but the summary is: young people in France, especially Muslims, are turning to Creationism and being bold enough to raise their voices during a science class and state "No, no, the Koran says it's otherwise!".

Western society is based upon science - if the muslims want to barge in and refute science and... create a shitclone imitation of their origin countries then I say they should get the fuck out forthwith!

[Launchpad]

I wasn't saying there are no immigration problems in France, and I wasn't saying that immigrants from Middle Eastern countries cause no problems - I was merely comparing the French example to the British one. Which one do you think has worked better?

[Launchpad]

That's what they are.


No, if you are born in France you are a French citizen, not an immigrant. Many of these people are now 3rd and 4th generation.


It's the consequence of their will to remain Arabs and Muslims even in an European and Christian country.
If they are in prison, there may be a reason, no ? Do you think the cops send Muslims to jail each time they see one ?


Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you glorious revolution in 1789 do away with any remnants of France as a Christian nation? Since that time at least you have been firmly secular - revered for by many other Western nations for this stand. In light of this, they have the RIGHT to 'remain Arabs and Muslims' just as you have the right to remain Christian..In fact, in the French Republic any reference to differences between citizens can be viewed as suspect as it throws into question the founding belief of egalité among all citizens.

Yes there are likely reasons why these Muslims are in jail, but it is not because they are racially motivated towards crime or whatever - it is the same with blacks in America, endemic of a systemic and society wide problem. Certainly they may commit crimes, but what drives them to crime? Do you think if equal opportunities were there for these men to get well paying jobs and succeed they would not take it, but instead opt for a life of scraping by?


If it's better in their coutries, why do they come here ? A French humorist once said (in the mid 80's) : "There are 3 millions immigrants in France, but also 3 millions jobless people. Seek the mistake."


Nobody said it was better in their own countries. Clearly living in the EU is preferable to living in Morocco.


The Muslims rejected the French society since the Algerian War (1954-1962). They only sought revenge upon us, they dissimulated their real goals until their number began to be very high. They never tried to integrate : finding a few of them trying to do so is not a proof.
There are riots everyday in France. The Black-Arab-Muslim gangs constantly attack the Police stations, especially in the Paris area.


You are certainly correct in that the war in Algeria left psychological scars on both sides - among the French and French-Arabs, but to claim this embodies a total rejection of French society is simplistic. As (presumably) a French citizen, I'm sure you know of the Republican Integration Model and the its effects on French public schools. This system has since the 1980s provided the desired result - genuine inculcation of 'French-ness' in the Muslim populations of France. The fact that the government refuses to treat these groups as first class citizens is another issue.



Oh really ? Poor immigrants. Would you accept in your country people who :
- commit theft dozens of times and still get suspended sentences.
- gang rape teenagers, even of their own faith.
- live on social welfare (400 €/month by person, 650 for a couple, more than 1000 with 2 or 3 children. Obviously, the government pays a large part of their rental, give them free public transport subscription, etc. And most of women make the government believe they are separated from their husband or that he's gone : therefore, they can get a lot more).
- wreak havoc the apartments they live in and have them repaired for free.
- don't pay electricity and water bills.
- cost the French taxpayers more than 40 billions € every year (15% of the State budget).
(It's an non-exhaustive list)


This is a straw man.

I certainly wouldn't be a proponent of accepting every criminal, sick person, or welfare bum from Africa and the Middle East.. I'm saying that the Muslim citizens of France have gotten a raw deal in the past, and despite their drive and the drive of the government to get them to integrate they are still being given the short end of the stick.

[Dichromate]

the renaissance was only possible because the arabs kept and developed Roman and Greek knowledge and passed it on to Europe,

Oh not this Rubbish again.
These are the same arabs/muslims that destroyed Persia and the Byzantine empire!
The dark ages in western europe occured due to the fall of Rome(and the western roman empire as a whole).
Until Muslims conquered it, the EASTERN portion of the Roman Empire was still there!

[Valkoinen Kuolema]

Immigrants lost their rights when they entered a country illegally.

[Ferlas child of mars]

To Ferlas, I don't know much about the Dutch program, but I lived in Rotterdam for awhile with a friend. We were both lowly students so we lived in something of a ghetto, it was basically us - two white boys from Canada, in the middle of a whole pile of Moroccans and Turkish - a little out of place. However, out of all the people around the area - recent immigrants many, I never came across somebody who could speak no English, and many could speak Dutch as well (which is more than I could say for myself) I don't know how culturally integrated they were, but it was my feeling that Holland was a very accepting multicultural society anyway - What would you say were the major failings of the Dutch integration program?

Yeah, that's why they all lived in a ghetto and had no job's right?:D

[Launchpad]

Haha..I don't know if they had jobs or not ... lots of the older ones spent a lot of time down on the corner coffee shop though...But I was legitimately wondering about the Dutch integration program..how are they trying to do it? I ask because I legitimately don't know.

[Dog]

Oh there's no doubt Russia has it's problems. I've not yet been there but I've been on the border and met with many Russians and spent a great deal of time learning about Russia today, I believe that being a recovering former Soviet state has a few things to do with it.

Rofl. Trolling or not, the sad thing is that many people are really that delusional...blaming race only when it suits them.

[Wailing Fungus]

These immigrants should just not move into big cities.

Seems to me like every immigrant I've ever had troubles with lived in Antwerp or one of it's suburbs.

Every immigrant that lives down in the ol' campines is alright so far tho.

[khuipinatik]

Oh not this Rubbish again.
These are the same arabs/muslims that destroyed Persia and the Byzantine empire!
The dark ages in western europe occured due to the fall of Rome(and the western roman empire as a whole).
Until Muslims conquered it, the EASTERN portion of the Roman Empire was still there!

turks destroyed bizantium, arabs destroyed persia, bizantium was little more than a city by then, persia was falling to pieces. if it wasn't them it would be someone else, maybe the aborigines or xenu don't know.

the dark ages began before the fall of the western Roman empire, the western Roman empire since Theodosius was a decrepit state incapable of anything worthwhile, roads were crap and without maintenance, coin was crap (bronze covered with silver), weapons and armour were crap, trade was crap, unwashed barbarians ruled the show by then.

bizantium was still there allright, hiding behind the walls, praying, and making a sortie when it wasn't raining, bizantines were pussywipped to the extreme, they paid protection money to everyone, and hoped god would solve all their problems.

look, technology or knowledge don't care about races, it cares about who is strong and intelligent to wield it properly, the arabs in the past were great and passed along extremely relevant knowledge (navigation instruments, advanced mathematics and cartography, without them America would still be comanche land and your fair Australia would be known as worragatabalallallla land of the black and not so beautiful) nowadays they are stains, the blond people hitler praised so much were practically cavemen before contact with the Greek-Roman world (and please let's not talk about the celts, they built large erect penistones and wood huts, k). it's not about race it's about culture/education/motivation.

now more to the point, excessive immigration is like a barbarian invasion, the barbarians didn't overran the Roman empire in a year, or a decade or even a century, they came, and kept coming because they wanted to take advantage of a better life and better perspectives for them and their families...nothing wrong with that but in the process western Europe went to the dogs for centuries.

[Vox Ducis]

It's in Polish but the summary is: young people in France, especially Muslims, are turning to Creationism and being bold enough to raise their voices during a science class and state "No, no, the Koran says it's otherwise!".

It happens everytime.

No, if you are born in France you are a French citizen, not an immigrant. Many of these people are now 3rd and 4th generation.

If you are born in France, you are... born in France.
If the children of a Chinese ambassador are born in Brazil, are they Brazilians ?
If a Russian child is born while his parents are in holidays in South Africa, is he or she South African ?

Imagine 10 millions foreign women giving birth in France, are all the children French ? It's simplistic but can be true.

You are French if you accept the french society. We are talking about people who want to impose their customs.

They don't consider themselves French. Almost all Muslims dying in France are buried in Algeria, Tunisia or Morocco. A French wouldn't behave this way.
Until the mid 80's, none of them asked for the French citizenship because it was shameful to be French. When they discovered what they could get from social welfare, they changed their mind.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you glorious revolution in 1789 do away with any remnants of France as a Christian nation? Since that time at least you have been firmly secular - revered for by many other Western nations for this stand. In light of this, they have the RIGHT to 'remain Arabs and Muslims' just as you have the right to remain Christian..In fact, in the French Republic any reference to differences between citizens can be viewed as suspect as it throws into question the founding belief of egalité among all citizens.

France is secular since a law in 1905 inspired by the freemasonry.
They have the right to remain what they want if they abide the law and try to integrate in the society, which most of them don't want to do.

Yes there are likely reasons why these Muslims are in jail, but it is not because they are racially motivated towards crime or whatever - it is the same with blacks in America, endemic of a systemic and society wide problem. Certainly they may commit crimes, but what drives them to crime? Do you think if equal opportunities were there for these men to get well paying jobs and succeed they would not take it, but instead opt for a life of scraping by?

Well, if you say this to French living in a major city invaded by Muslims, they will laugh, cry or think "what's he talking about ?"
When they commit crimes, they call the victims "dirty French", "dirty White" and "dirty Christian or Jew", they shout "Allah hu akbar", "Fuck Jesus", etc.
For the equal opportunities, I can only suggest that you live a few months in France and you will see that they get everything they want from the government. The White French are refused social welfare, but them, have more than they deserve.
They are needless for the country. The low value works they do were accomplished by the French before they come. There are no reason for us to accept their presence.
If you have no job in France and are 25 yo, you get 930 € each month (400 cash, paid rent, free social health insurance, free public transport...). The guaranteed minimum income is less than 1000 €. Who would be dumb enough to work ?

You are certainly correct in that the war in Algeria left psychological scars on both sides - among the French and French-Arabs, but to claim this embodies a total rejection of French society is simplistic. As (presumably) a French citizen, I'm sure you know of the Republican Integration Model and the its effects on French public schools. This system has since the 1980s provided the desired result - genuine inculcation of 'French-ness' in the Muslim populations of France. The fact that the government refuses to treat these groups as first class citizens is another issue.

The integration model has miserably failed because they can't be integrated. We don't have the same culture, customs and values.
There were several waves of immigration in the end of the 19th century and in the beginning of the 20th century : Italians, Poles, Spanish, Portuguese. They integrated very quickly because they are White and Christian ; they are French, there is no discussion about this.
How come the Muslims can't integrate ? If the government and the citizens don't consider them like real French, why are they here ?

I'm saying that the Muslim citizens of France have gotten a raw deal in the past, and despite their drive and the drive of the government to get them to integrate they are still being given the short end of the stick.

Except when some of them don't need to take the entrance exam to attend the Elite Schools.
They are unable to read, write and speak in correct French. They go to school with Whites, are given the same education, but have still an accent and speak like foreigners ("we are Arabs", "we are Muslims"). What manager will give a job to a candidate of this kind ?

The best way to know a society is to live inside. What you say is what I hear on TV. The media try to hide the truth, but we are confronted to those problems everyday.

[Ferlas child of mars]

Haha..I don't know if they had jobs or not ... lots of the older ones spent a lot of time down on the corner coffee shop though...But I was legitimately wondering about the Dutch integration program..how are they trying to do it? I ask because I legitimately don't know.

http://www.focus-migration.de/uploads/tx_wilpubdb/PB01_-_Dutch_Integration.pdf

http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2008/05/14/netherlands-discrimination-name-integration

http://www.ribiz.nl/en/diplomaandwork/aforeigndiploma/socialintegrationprogramme/

The first link will answer all your questions......:)

[LiquidIce]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

Any one how much truth or bullshit is in that video? I seems to have some solid foundations - the rate of muslims multiplying, but I dunno about the time it'll take the muslims to take over Europe. Good thing that we, in the east, still hold some nationalist ideals ;)

[a giant pterodactyl]

Yearly ten thousands of immigrant travel by boats to reach Europe. These immigrants, of various African nationalities, should be treated by European Human Rights Law. Many southern European countries refuse to do so; my example in this matter is Italy and its new immigration laws. This law forbids exploiting shelter and homes to illegal immigrant, forces hospitals to report illegals to the police, and decrease harshness of immigration/asylum procedures.

The other side of the coin; the Italian people are fed up with the criminal refugee/immigrant, who have reached the main land. This is a problem because the illegal immigrants are invisible for the police to see in files or to track down. So, new laws and harsh immigration procedures are considered the solution for immigration problems.

Many of these (refugees?) destroyed their papers, so that the authorities are troubled tracking their nationalities, in order to stall time. Others describe themselves as political refugees. Most of them just want a better life and want to enter Europe at all costs, legal or illegal is no issue for these poor people.

Huge differences exist between national asylum systems in Europe, making the asylum system a 'lottery' for refugees. For this reason, EU countries are working to develop and establish a Common European Asylum System (CEAS).

What is the opinion of the Zoklet reader in this matter? What do you think of this CEAS?

this is the most awesome thing EVER, next they should execute these illegal immigrants on the spot, and put there heads on sticks all around town. that will curb the illegal issue. lulz it worked for England back in the day. i hope the UK gets in on this, unfortunately they have their head too far up their own ass to know that they are losing their nations.

[a giant pterodactyl]

I admire the resiliency of the Italians and some other nearby nations. Non-white immigrants have no place in Europe, not just because of their racial and cultural complex, but because of the crime, their attitudes, and the drain the put on the healthcare and legal system. The EU is destroying European culture, European rights, and European racial identity by encouraging immigrants to come to Europe. Europe is the last majorly white stronghold in the world and it has to be defended. The methods the Russians and other Eastern Europeans use for immigrant discipline and discouragement should be practiced all over the continent.

the niggers and muslims have attacked and raped their country's once, and only once. they have vowed to keep that from happaening again!

i applaud them!!!

[Ferlas child of mars]

the niggers and muslims have attacked and raped their country's once, and only once. they have vowed to keep that from happaening again!

Wrong, you are confused with Spain! For a long period of time,Spain was occupied (711-1248 AD) by the Berbers and the (Mauritanian)Mores. These north-african Mores and Berbers were Islamic!

The Island Sicily (Italy)has been in contact with Numidians who weren't muslim back then.... this fact I don't know this for sure. What I know for sure is that the Italian mainland was not raped by them.:D
(By the way,I am not a racist)

[Dichromate]

Wrong, you are confused with Spain! For a long period of time,Spain was occupied (711-1248 AD) by the Berbers and the (Mauritanian)Mores. These north-african Mores and Berbers were Islamic!

The Island Sicily (Italy)has been in contact with Numidians who weren't muslim back then.... this fact I don't know this for sure. What I know for sure is that the Italian mainland was not raped by them.:D
(By the way,I am not a racist)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Italy

Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_corsairs

[Ferlas child of mars]

Yes, like I said.... Sicily was in muslim hands (I wasn't sure Muslim/no Muslim), they did fight on the main land, but the Italians rebelled and kicked their asses in 1050. And those who remained were converted. Sicily and Sardegna were in muslim hands.... Rome had been sacked many times by many ,,tribes" after the Western-Roman empire fell. In Spain the ''Mores'' remained much longer.... in fact about 600 years.

[Dichromate]

Yes, like I said.... Sicily was in muslim hands (I wasn't sure Muslim/no Muslim), they did fight on the main land, but the Italians rebelled and kicked their asses in 1050. And those who remained were converted. Sicily and Sardegna were in muslim hands.... Rome had been sacked many times by many ,,tribes" after the Western-Roman empire fell. In Spain the ''Mores'' remained much longer.... in fact about 600 years.

Most people would consider sporadic attacks and invasions to be somewhat unpleasant though. No, they weren't totally pwned like the spanish were though.

[Slave of the Beast]

Britain is a magnet for a lot of these freeloaders as they rightly regard us as a 'soft touch', so many stream across Europe to get here. We need to get control of our borders, unfortunately that would require a level of political competence this country seems incapable of generating.

[a giant pterodactyl]

Britain is a magnet for a lot of these freeloaders as they rightly regard us as a 'soft touch', so many stream across Europe to get here. We need to get control of our borders, unfortunately that would require a level of political competence this country seems incapable of generating.

FINALLY, i Brit that gets it. took the words right out of my mouth. England needs to take lessons from the Italians. they are turning all hard and shit.:cool:

[Idiot]

Harsher regulations are NOT going to do anything. Think about it like this:
I'm coming from a war torn country, where there are NO jobs and NO food, and people are shooting at me. So if I go to Europe, or any wealthy continent I don't think I'm going to give a fuck if they put me in one of their prisons that have RUNNING WATER.

Some of you people need to understand, what "having nothing" really means. This is not a race, or nationality issue, its about the haves and the have nots.

Turn off the water, and power in your house, and tell me how much fun that is for 1 day. Now imagine a life time of it. And at least you still have a shelter, to keep you warm. Watch that movie "War Photographer", or read a book and you will see why you can regulate all you want, but the poor will always be here and survive by using whatever means necessary.

And all this about "imposing customs, and assimilating to the culture", is true and untrue. You cannot except someone from France to move to America, and all the sudden start being American. They could even have kids, and their kids will just think like a European in a lot of ways even though they grew up in America. A custom, or respecting a culture isn't something you learn by reading a history book.

I think it is good though, that countries are trying to do something about the presence of illegal aliens, regardless if they are criminals or not.