Australian Military Buildup

[Aslav]

So, what's your opinion on the build-up?

Chinese diplomats confused and alarmed.

* 100 x new Joint Strike Fighter aircraft.
* 3 x new air warfare destroyers.
* 12 x new submarines.
* 8 x new 7000-tonne warships equipped with ballistic missile defence systems similar to the three air warfare destroyers.
* 14 x new 1500-tonne corvette-size patrol boats able to take a helicopter.
* 8 x new P-8 Poseidon long-range surveillance aircraft.
* 7 x new unmanned aerial surveillance vehicles - Global Hawk or similar.
* 27 x new anti-submarine helicopters.
* 6 x new C-130J Hercules transport aircraft.
* 13 x new transport aircraft to replace DHC-4 Caribou.
* 4 x new Chinook helicopters.
* ?? x new generation of armoured fighting vehicles.
* $10 billion long-term expansion and "hardening and networking" of the army will continue with the regular army growing to about 30,000, including eight infantry battalions.

[Name's Taken]

It's about time we showed those filthy indonesians and New Zealanders who's boss.

Seriously though, why would china be alarmed? Unless they think for some reason this is planned in conjunction with other nations to attack them.

[Aslav]

It's about time we showed those filthy indonesians and New Zealanders who's boss.

Seriously though, why would china be alarmed? Unless they think for some reason this is planned in conjunction with other nations to attack them.

I think its more them being offended at the thought that Australia considers them a threat.

[Name's Taken]

Oh well, why would they be thinking it's about them? Unless they really are planning something.

[The English Gentleman]

100 x new Joint Strike Fighter aircraft.

I'm feeling sceptical, aren't they like £100,000,000 each?

[Mantikore]

100 x new Joint Strike Fighter aircraft.

I'm feeling sceptical, aren't they like £100,000,000 each?

thats what i thought. i heard it was somewhere like 20 fighters.

doesnt matter though, since JSFs are the jack of all trades, yet ace of none.

by the way, old' Kevin is already spending like a mofo. how can he afford all this new hardware anyway

[Darkerofthemind]

I don't blame Australia in the least for wanting to build up having China in their back yard. Even though they are not hostile could hurt to be prepared for the worst. If I'm not mistaking China is building up their military as well.

[Marty McFly]

It's about time we showed those filthy indonesians and New Zealanders who's boss.

Seriously though, why would china be alarmed? Unless they think for some reason this is planned in conjunction with other nations to attack them.

They were mentioned, I think that's why. In the article they tried their hardest not to single out China, yet in the end they still managed to.

Saturday's plan said the global economic downturn would slow the recent arms buildup in some Asian countries, though China will likely continue its military modernization, it said.

"But the pace, scope and structure of China's military modernization have the potential to give its neighbors cause for concern if not carefully explained," the paper says. "China has begun to do this in recent years, but needs to do more."

100 x new Joint Strike Fighter aircraft.

I'm feeling sceptical, aren't they like £100,000,000 each?

Many articles confirmed the purchase of 100 JSF. Also, the £100,000,000 is a little closer to £55,000,000 ($83,000,000 USD according to wikipedia).

[Yggdrasil]

I don't blame Australia in the least for wanting to build up having China in their back yard. Even though they are not hostile could hurt to be prepared for the worst. If I'm not mistaking China is building up their military as well.

Indeed. The Chinese are modernising their military like all hell, developing joint military technologies with countries such as Pakistan . They're developing aircraft that will check the air dominance of planes such as the F-22. They're called the J-14's, and top secret to the Chinese military.

Compare the two planes

http://www.military.cz/usa/air/in_service/aircraft/yf23/images/YF23_PAV1_01.jpg- Chinese J-14. Notice the much broader, declined, and spaced vertical wings.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/19/FA22_Raptors_Oct2005.jpg- American F-22.

Not only this, the Chinese have been accused of lying about their military expenditures; some in the West think the Chinese are spending tens of billions more than they care to tell.

Nonetheless, the Chinese military leaves much to be desired for still. Much of it's air force is obsolete, they've no carrier capabilities (though they bought an old Russian and are studying it to build their own) . Their navy consists mostly of submarines, and they seem to want to expand on this. They've built naval facilities capable of sheltering their vessels from spy satellites.

The Australians would be wise to keep a decent army handy.

[Aslav]

As the white paper says, the US may not be in a position to protect/defend us in the event we're attacked.

We need to be prepared.

[Azure]

$10 billion long-term expansion and "hardening and networking" of the army will continue with the regular army growing to about 30,000, including eight infantry battalions.

Wow...that's....hardcore.

lol@ the "top secret" Chinese fighter than Yggstewyrlsi has a picture of.

[Yggdrasil]

Wow...that's....hardcore.

lol@ the "top secret" Chinese fighter than Yggstewyrlsi has a picture of.

Just 'cause the Chinese try to keep their plane under wraps doesn't mean it actually is, you're right.

[Azure]

Just 'cause the Chinese try to keep their plane under wraps doesn't mean it actually is, you're right.

If you continue to slip up like this, the Chinks will catch onto you being an undercover CIA agent.

[Yggdrasil]

If you continue to slip up like this, the Chinks will catch onto you being an undercover CIA agent.

*sneaks out of thread*

[Phinehas]

http://www.military.cz/usa/air/in_service/aircraft/yf23/images/YF23_PAV1_01.jpg- Chinese J-14. Notice the much broader, declined, and spaced vertical wings.

That's a picture of a YF-23, a prototype which competed with and eventually lost to the F-22, it even says so on the tail.

Edit: Also, please notice the US Air Force insignia on the wing -- it is somewhat blurry -- and that the file name identifies the aircraft as a YF-23.

[Mantikore]

http://www.military.cz/usa/air/in_service/aircraft/yf23/images/YF23_PAV1_01.jpg



is it me, or is that plane missing the left part of its tail? :confused:

[Yggdrasil]

My bad. Found another

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/2590/19bh1.jpg

[crazzyass]

Good move on Austrailia's part. Economic turmoil breeds unrest, on top of the fact that many countries unfriendly to the West are building up. With the current financial situation, increased tensions with Iran/Isael, and Pakistan having the Taliban knocking on the door of their nuclear arsenal, shit could go down faster than you'd think.

[reallystupidstuff]

is it me, or is that plane missing the left part of its tail? :confused:

ZOMG super new stealth teknology

[talonner]

The worst part of this is that American technology will be bought. That has American chips in it and can be remotely controlled. American munitions are also a very bad idea.

We are going to get closer to China if anything.

America is fucked, well and truly, which is good news.

Russian gear would be a better idea for the government to purchase, it's cheaper, so we can buy more, and much better. However, due to infiltration of the ALP by Chinese spies, that would be disadvantageous to the Russians as their gear would get reverse engineered like mad. At least the Chinese spies who have infiltrated our government at very high levels have present access to all the American gear we have.

Oh, did I forget to write, America is fucked?

[Aslav]

The worst part of this is that American technology will be bought. That has American chips in it and can be remotely controlled.

http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/upload/2009/04/weekend_diversion_do_tinfoil_h/tinfoil-hat.jpg

[talonner]

http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/upload/2009/04/weekend_diversion_do_tinfoil_h/tinfoil-hat.jpg


Oh ok, so do you know anyone from DIG, DSD, SASR, 4RAR, 1CDO, CDT's, ASIS, ASIO or the ONA?

No?

Oh, well then, fuck off.

[talonner]

You probably don't know because it is beyond your clearance or pay range, but there is a reason we don't have certain American missiles.

[Aslav]

Oh ok, so do you know anyone from DIG, DSD, SASR, 4RAR, 1CDO, CDT's, ASIS, ASIO or the ONA?

No?

Oh, well then, fuck off.

I have friends in the SASR, 4RAR, ASIS and ASIO.

Spouting off acronyms does not lend credibility to your tinfoil hat argument.

[abusername]

Australia is getting ready to fight against the NWO.

[talonner]

I have friends in the SASR, 4RAR, ASIS and ASIO.

Spouting off acronyms does not lend credibility to your tinfoil hat argument.

No you don't.

I wonder if you were aware that many parts of the ADF have zero trust for ASIS and ASIO?

Probably not.

Fuck off.

[Aslav]

No you don't.

I wonder if you were aware that many parts of the ADF have zero trust for ASIS and ASIO?

Probably not.

Fuck off.

Uh oh, looks like another tinfoil hat theory that can't be backed up.

I have IO frends in ASIO and ASIS.

[sexualjesus]

i have to agree with aslav, putting chips to controll our weapons is well out of our worlds capabilities yet, maybe nuclear missiles, and maybe some really really expensive scud missiles, but all a vehicle is is a combustion motor powering a metal frame, if there was a chip that could be "wireless controlled" to stop us from using it, our engineers would just take the fucker off and rig it up so it works without it, if crooks can get into a car with an immobiliser our engineers can work around some shitty chip.

also theres still no such thing, even the missile systems that the americans have in there own soil are of poor technology compared to what your saying, russia and america almost nuked each other in the cold war over blips on there radar, let alone some magical chip that will shut down everything we controll via some super super powerful wireless protocol

spouting random acronyms does not crush the tinfoil hat argument, im sure meth addicts can make up a whole tonne of fake names for the controll towers reading there brainwaves too

[sexualjesus]

but thanks for the link aslav, the more shit our government owns the less chance those dirty commies will take us over

[talonner]

i have to agree with aslav, putting chips to controll our weapons is well out of our worlds capabilities yet, maybe nuclear missiles, and maybe some really really expensive scud missiles, but all a vehicle is is a combustion motor powering a metal frame, if there was a chip that could be "wireless controlled" to stop us from using it, our engineers would just take the fucker off and rig it up so it works without it, if crooks can get into a car with an immobiliser our engineers can work around some shitty chip.

also theres still no such thing, even the missile systems that the americans have in there own soil are of poor technology compared to what your saying, russia and america almost nuked each other in the cold war over blips on there radar, let alone some magical chip that will shut down everything we controll via some super super powerful wireless protocol

spouting random acronyms does not crush the tinfoil hat argument, im sure meth addicts can make up a whole tonne of fake names for the controll towers reading there brainwaves too

And you both have no fucking idea.

[talonner]

Uh oh, looks like another tinfoil hat theory that can't be backed up.

I have IO frends in ASIO and ASIS.

No you don't. You also don't have friends 4 or SASR.

[Aslav]

No you don't. You also don't have friends 4 or SASR.

Oh ok, you're familiar with all my friends that I did recruit training and went to school with?

You've yet to provide proof for any of the claims you've made, though I know you wont because it is all made up.

[rabbitweed]

Australia is getting ready to fight against the NWO.

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/1618/nwo63300flp3.jpg

[talonner]

Oh ok, you're familiar with all my friends that I did recruit training and went to school with?

You've yet to provide proof for any of the claims you've made, though I know you wont because it is all made up.

You don't have friends in ASIO, ASIS, SASR or commandos.

I can't provide documented proof for you on zoklet you dumb fuck.

I bet the next thing you will tell me is that you can't hold a rank of 'specialist' in Australia.

Fuck off.

[Aslav]

You don't have friends in ASIO, ASIS, SASR or commandos.

I can't provide documented proof for you on zoklet you dumb fuck.

I bet the next thing you will tell me is that you can't hold a rank of 'specialist' in Australia.

Fuck off.

Perhaps you could provide 'documented proof' another way?

[talonner]

What do I need to prove to you?

I am telling you that US bought munitions are chipped and can be remotely deactivated.

You disagree. You are wrong.

Are you going to try and tell me that Specialist is not an Australian rank?

Just because you don't know doesn't mean it isn't true.

[007GoldenShower]

The ADF hasn't made any decision on JSF numbers, jackass.

[Aslav]

What do I need to prove to you?

I am telling you that US bought munitions are chipped and can be remotely deactivated.

You disagree. You are wrong.

Are you going to try and tell me that Specialist is not an Australian rank?

Just because you don't know doesn't mean it isn't true.

You're the one making the ridiculous claim that the US has put chips which allow them to control all munitions remotely (by some technology as yet unknown) without detection by any of the purchasing nations over many decades, you are the one who has to prove it is correct.

On a search of all threads made by you, you're clearly an Anti-American delusional tinfoil hat-wearing fuck.

As for the second thing, where have I mentioned that?

The ADF hasn't made any decision on JSF numbers, jackass.

Yes, it was announced by Kevin Rudd and Joel Fitzgibbon in the last few weeks.

[talonner]

I know for a fact that certain US munitions are chipped and require US clearance to fire even when owned by a different host nation, as well as them being able to be remotely deactivated.

You don't know fucking shit.

I am most certainly a fuck, though.

You know the CIA set up Al Qaeda right? You know the USA refused to help us in East Timor/Timor Leste unless we signed over all executive decisions to them? Why would anyone with a sense of patriotism or a semblance of intelligence, living in this country, have any respect or admiration for America?

Go on, keep on sucking cock brass polisher.

You are absolutely fucking clueless and a disgrace to Australia.

[Syphilis]

Spouting off acronyms does not lend credibility to your tinfoil hat argument.

Thank you.



Now we need some nuclear weapons.

[talonner]

Australia has nuclear weapons.

You probably didn't know that either.

[sexualjesus]

Australia has nuclear weapons.

You probably didn't know that either.

SHUT THE FUCK UP TALONNER YOU DIRTY TROLLOP

australia has one fucking missile silo, its in the middle of aus and its ownership is contentious, who the fuck cares, it has nothing to do with the american government hiding tiny little microscopic chips in guns that are made by a private company, the american government doesnt controll shit, the ships we buy, the planes we buy, the nukes we buy, are all made by private companies who are outsourced, not fucking "omg the president told us to bury chips inside the bullets so the australians cant shoot us with them"

you know whats happening in iraq, with the WMD's, the americans sold those weapons to the iraq'ies so they can crush the iranians with them, you think america would have marched thousands of troops and tanks in if they could just turn the weapon off with a magicall button, go back to meth and being worried that the governments going to crush us all and turn into communist's

[talonner]

I'm not referring to small arms, mainly missiles and such.

There is a reason we don't have certain American munitions. They are chipped and can be remotely controlled and deactivated.

And Australia has nukes. Under Australian control. More than one.

You don't know shit.

[Aslav]

I'm not referring to small arms, mainly missiles and such.

There is a reason we don't have certain American munitions. They are chipped and can be remotely controlled and deactivated.

And Australia has nukes. Under Australian control. More than one.

You don't know shit.

You keep making these claims, claims which would require Top Secret Clearance to have credible knowledge of, yet you don't have TS.

If you had access to information regarding chips in all our missiles and bombs and on top of that the fact that we supposedly have nuclear weapons, you would be watched like a hawk by intelligence agencies.

I'd say your crazy tinfoil hat theories should stop here and now.

Unless you provide me some proof (you can see me anywhere you like, in person or online), you can shut the fuck up.

Also, the CIA did not create Al Qaeda, the CIA helped arm the Mujahideen to fight the Soviet Invasion. Al Qaeda is a seperate group. Many of the weapons provided to the Muj (such as anti-air missiles) are now unusable because of their shelf-life.

[talonner]

You keep making these claims, claims which would require Top Secret Clearance to have credible knowledge of, yet you don't have TS.

If you had access to information regarding chips in all our missiles and bombs and on top of that the fact that we supposedly have nuclear weapons, you would be watched like a hawk by intelligence agencies.

I'd say your crazy tinfoil hat theories should stop here and now.

Unless you provide me some proof (you can see me anywhere you like, in person or online), you can shut the fuck up.

Also, the CIA did not create Al Qaeda, the CIA helped arm the Mujahideen to fight the Soviet Invasion. Al Qaeda is a seperate group. Many of the weapons provided to the Muj (such as anti-air missiles) are now unusable because of their shelf-life.

You don't know anything. This is established.

I know a lot more than you ever will.

I have been part of projects you would cum in your pants over even knowing about.

It doesn't need to be further elaborated on:

Australia has nukes. The USA puts chips in munitions.

Oh, here's some more information for you;

Certain special forces get deployed regularly to south east Asia fighting the drug war, and sometimes die, to which it is said they died in training, or they are acknowledged to still be alive.

That's not even supposed to be documented.

Go fuck yourself. You are nothing and never will be.

[Aslav]

So, you admit that you have no credible source or evidence to back up what is a stupid claim to make in the first place.

You are not and have never been affiliated with the Australian Government in terms of employment, please do not state otherwise because it simply isn't true.

Australia doesn't not hold any nuclear weapons.

America is not putting chips into munitions. Beside the fact that you've yet to elaborate on exactly how the chip communicates with America (too small for a satellite) and Australia is a fairly remote place to just string up a WiFi antenna.

Stop making additional claims that you cannot back up, unless you can provide proof that what you say is true, you shouldn't post your tinfoil hat theory, this is not the forum to do so. You will find such a forum here - http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/forumdisplay.php?f=47

Please, you're making yourself look silly the more you keep going on.

[Not That Guy]

It's about time we showed those filthy indonesians and New Zealanders who's boss.


The mighty kiwi invasion force has got you all worried aye.:p

[Syphilis]

Australia has nukes. The USA puts chips in munitions.

Let's all take a moment to LOL heartily at talonner.





Pics or it didn't happen.

[Kwinnie Bogan]

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/6156/ozusbases1.jpg

[talonner]

So, you admit that you have no credible source or evidence to back up what is a stupid claim to make in the first place.

You are not and have never been affiliated with the Australian Government in terms of employment, please do not state otherwise because it simply isn't true.

Australia doesn't not hold any nuclear weapons.

America is not putting chips into munitions. Beside the fact that you've yet to elaborate on exactly how the chip communicates with America (too small for a satellite) and Australia is a fairly remote place to just string up a WiFi antenna.

Stop making additional claims that you cannot back up, unless you can provide proof that what you say is true, you shouldn't post your tinfoil hat theory, this is not the forum to do so. You will find such a forum here - http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/forumdisplay.php?f=47

Please, you're making yourself look silly the more you keep going on.

I have very credible sources.

I know what I know.

You don't know anything.

And that is how it will stay.

Australia does have nuclear weapons under Australian control. The reason certain US munitions are not purchased is because they can be remotely deactivated by the USA.

You are a no one, and you know nothing.

I have never been affiliated with the Australian government in terms of employment according to you?

Once again, wrong.

Fuck off and die cumstain.

[Aslav]

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/6156/ozusbases1.jpg

Base does not equal nuclear weapons storage.

[Aslav]

I have very credible sources.

I know what I know.

You don't know anything.

And that is how it will stay.

Australia does have nuclear weapons under Australian control. The reason certain US munitions are not purchased is because they can be remotely deactivated by the USA.

You are a no one, and you know nothing.

I have never been affiliated with the Australian government in terms of employment according to you?

Once again, wrong.

Fuck off and die cumstain.

Show proof or stop posting, the more you post with your 'THIS IS HOW IT IS, DO NOT QUESTION IT BECAUSE I WILL NOT GIVE PROOF' the more I think you're a delusional tinfoil hat wearing fuck.

[Name's Taken]

talonner post proof/sources or STFU AND GTFO.

:mad:

[Syphilis]

I have very credible sources.

I know what I know.

You don't know anything.

And that is how it will stay.

Australia does have nuclear weapons under Australian control. The reason certain US munitions are not purchased is because they can be remotely deactivated by the USA.

You are a no one, and you know nothing.

I have never been affiliated with the Australian government in terms of employment according to you?

Once again, wrong.

Fuck off and die cumstain.

Let me guess. You're also one of those guys who thinks that the CIA blew up the world trade centre.

Judging by your language, you're also probably ~15 years old.

Protip: The internet is anonymous.

[Aslav]

You make comments about you being involved in operations etc which means you're posting this information as if it came from first-hand knowledge. If you had access to this information (Australia possessing secret Nuclear Weapons), you would be in such a select group that you'd be watched by intelligence agencies and spotted revealing information on here.

tl;dr?

You're full of shit, fuck off.

[talonner]

How can I give a shitstain like you proof? You aren't cleared for access to that kind of information. I tried to be polite and give you some information that you clearly lack the clearance and intellectual ability to handle.

My sources aren't from the internet.

Once again, you don't know anything, or anyone, and you don't have friends 4RAR or SASR or ASIS or ASIO.

[talonner]

You make comments about you being involved in operations etc which means you're posting this information as if it came from first-hand knowledge. If you had access to this information (Australia possessing secret Nuclear Weapons), you would be in such a select group that you'd be watched by intelligence agencies and spotted revealing information on here.

tl;dr?

You're full of shit, fuck off.

I am watched. I know, they know, they don't care.

I have asked to have all my internet activity on forums monitored for various reasons.

Once again, you are a no one, you are clueless, and I am better, smarter and more highly trained than you will ever be.

[Aslav]

I decided to do a search for some of your previous posts just to make sure I wasn't being unreasonable in thinking you're a tinfoil hat delusional fuck..

How old are you/what country/occupation/education/political persuasions/unorthodox views etc.

It's probably government fucking with your brainwaves to quell rebellion, as schizo as that sounds, and the frequency was out of alignment.

Nuff said..

[talonner]

Nuff said about what?

About you having no insider knowledge of highly classified programs?

Are you even a black hat or just a fuckwit?

[Aslav]

I am watched. I know, they know, they don't care.

I have asked to have all my internet activity on forums monitored for various reasons.

Once again, you are a no one, you are clueless, and I am better, smarter and more highly trained than you will ever be.

Hahahahahahha, so you claim that your employer (the Government no less) has no problem with you revealing top secret national security matters to the general public????

:picard:

AHAHAHAHA

[Syphilis]

talonner, if you're on zoklet, you're not a spook, you're not a commando, and you don't know any spooks or commandos.

[talonner]

Hahahahahahha, so you claim that your employer (the Government no less) has no problem with you revealing top secret national security matters to the general public????

:picard:

AHAHAHAHA

I never wrote or claimed that. Nor did I write to be currently employed by the government.

[Aslav]

Nuff said about what?

About you having no insider knowledge of highly classified programs?

Are you even a black hat or just a fuckwit?

So, what's your e-mail address?

Should I don my tinfoil hat to stop the government using antennas to quell rebellion?

[talonner]

Are you even a black hat, or just a fuckwit?

[Aslav]

Are you even a black hat, or just a fuckwit?

So, just to re-cap what's happened.

Australia has nuclear weapons, we do not buy certain American munitions because they've put chips on them to be able to remotely disable them, you have a top secret clearance but you don't work for the Government, the government is also monitoring you because you asked them to.. you've worked on projects that I would ejaculate over, the Government is messing with our brainwaves to quell rebellion..

That about it?

ALSO, WHATS YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS?
ALSO, WHATS YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS?
ALSO, WHATS YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS?

[talonner]

Send me a private message.

Also, are you even a black hat, or just a fuckwit?

Why do you desire to correspond with me in private? I have no issue writing on here.

I also never wrote about any kind of clearance. It would appear you are the delusional one.

Now, once again, are you a black hat, or just a fuckwit?

[Aslav]

Send me a private message.

Also, are you even a black hat, or just a fuckwit?

Why do you desire to correspond with me in private? I have no issue writing on here.

I also never wrote about any kind of clearance. It would appear you are the delusional one.

Now, once again, are you a black hat, or just a fuckwit?

Well, depends on what you mean by a black hat?

You cite my lack of clearance as a reason not to give your sources or any further information.. one would assume that, as you have access to the information and sources, you have clearance.

You also said I did not know anyone in ASIO, ASIS or 4RAR, therefore you must know every single member of those agencies and regiments.. yet you're not employed by the government but you work on top secret projects without a clearance.

[talonner]

Well, depends on what you mean by a black hat?

You cite my lack of clearance as a reason not to give your sources or any further information.. one would assume that, as you have access to the information and sources, you have clearance.

You also said I did not know anyone in ASIO, ASIS or 4RAR, therefore you must know every single member of those agencies and regiments.. yet you're not employed by the government but you work on top secret projects without a clearance.

You have Aslav as your username (which should be ASLAV, by the way) and you are asking what I mean by a black hat?

I give you information and you refuse to accept it.

I also wrote you don't know anyone SASR.

Where did I write I work on top secret projects at the present time?

Where did I write I do or do not have a clearance?

Now, are you a black hat, or just a fuckwit?

[Aslav]

You have Aslav as your username (which should be ASLAV, by the way) and you are asking what I mean by a black hat?

I give you information and you refuse to accept it.

I also wrote you don't know anyone SASR.

Where did I write I work on top secret projects at the present time?

Where did I write I do or do not have a clearance?

Now, are you a black hat, or just a fuckwit?

Are you going to reply to my PM with your e-mail or just more insults?

You haven't given me any information, your opinion and wild ideas are not information.

You also know every SASR soldier.. oh ok.

You wrote that you work on projects that I would cum in my pants over even knowing about. One would assume this means top secret as you say that I must have clearance to know, which I do not.

You would not be posting information like this if held a TS clearance, so, you don't.

You've yet to explain what a black hat is.

[sdmf_from_hell]

I think it's called Schizophrenia.

Nobody is watching you. Nobody cares.

Now i need to continue talks with Obama to conspire against Rudd.

brb

[talonner]

Are you going to reply to my PM with your e-mail or just more insults?

You haven't given me any information, your opinion and wild ideas are not information.

You also know every SASR soldier.. oh ok.

You wrote that you work on projects that I would cum in my pants over even knowing about. One would assume this means top secret as you say that I must have clearance to know, which I do not.

You would not be posting information like this if held a TS clearance, so, you don't.

You've yet to explain what a black hat is.

I didn't know I had to explain what a black hat is. You have ASLAV as your username.

A black hat/black beret is someone from RAAC, which is a place you will find ASLAV's.

Or, am I wrong?

Once again, you are a fucking disgrace. Fuck off and die.

[a giant pterodactyl]

oh ok, so do you know anyone from dig, dsd, sasr, 4rar, 1cdo, cdt's, asis, asio or the ona?

No?

Oh, well then, fuck off.

ahahahah fail troll , is fail. Boy did your little ass fly open . At least lurck on 4chan for awhile if you are going to attempt to troll. I did i mention ahahahahahahahahahahaaa

[Aslav]

I didn't know I had to explain what a black hat is. You have ASLAV as your username.

A black hat/black beret is someone from RAAC, which is a place you will find ASLAV's.

Or, am I wrong?

Once again, you are a fucking disgrace. Fuck off and die.

I have never been referred to as a black hat nor has anybody I've just asked, you are wrong, the only person who knew what I was talking about is one guy who said it was used in the 40s and 50s.

Once again, what is your e-mail address?

I think you might be Schizophrenic..

[a giant pterodactyl]

are you going to reply to my pm with your e-mail or just more insults?

You haven't given me any information, your opinion and wild ideas are not information.

You also know every sasr soldier.. Oh ok.

You wrote that you work on projects that i would cum in my pants over even knowing about. One would assume this means top secret as you say that i must have clearance to know, which i do not.

You would not be posting information like this if held a ts clearance, so, you don't.

You've yet to explain what a black hat is.


shit man, do you not recognize a 15 yr old troll with access to the internet?

[talonner]

He has username of Aslav and doesn't know what a blackhat is.

Surely a fuckwit would require fuckwits to come to his defence, such as yourself, Sceptre of Love.

[talonner]

I have never been referred to as a black hat nor has anybody I've just asked, you are wrong, the only person who knew what I was talking about is one guy who said it was used in the 40s and 50s.

Once again, what is your e-mail address?

I think you might be Schizophrenic..

You've never heard someone from armoured called a black beret or a black hat?

Your username is Aslav (should it be ASLAV?).

Are you from armoured?

What do you want my email address for cockmuncher?

We can chat on Zoklet or via PM. That face to face offer you suggested could be arranged.

It was used in the 40's and 50's? I spoke to a guy who was in Iraq at the start of the adventure, in an ASLAV, and he used the term blackhat.

Are you in Darwin?

[Aslav]

shit man, do you not recognize a 15 yr old troll with access to the internet?

Lol, but it's a bit too much for a troll.. every one of his posts is a delusional as the last. I think he may have a screw loose.

Anywho, I've proven my point and you cannot prove yours. Stop posting now, little boy.

[a giant pterodactyl]

he has username of aslav and doesn't know what a blackhat is.

Surely a fuckwit would require fuckwits to come to his defence, such as yourself, sceptre of love.

your little pissy childish attitude only proves that you are a kid troll trying to derail an important thread. Each time you post a little pissfit rant you just prove to us more that you are a child with angst issues. Lol

you need to get dressed and get out in front of the house, your going to miss the schoolbus.

[Aslav]

You've never heard someone from armoured called a black beret or a black hat?

Your username is Aslav (should it be ASLAV?).

Are you from armoured?

What do you want my email address for cockmuncher?

We can chat on Zoklet or via PM. That face to face offer you suggested could be arranged.

Are you in Darwin?

No, 3RAR, Holsworthy Barracks.

I just like the ASLAV vehicle is all.

Also, it's only black beret (not black hat) and hasn't been used since the 40s and 50s.

As to why I want your e-mail address - I can't provide documented proof for you on zoklet you dumb fuck.


Perhaps MSN or e-mail would be more suited to your needs?

[talonner]

Lol, but it's a bit too much for a troll.. every one of his posts is a delusional as the last. I think he may have a screw loose.

Anywho, I've proven my point and you cannot prove yours. Stop posting now, little boy.

Thanks for the screw loose. The more screws loose I get the sooner I stop being an ugly duckling. Alternatively I can just kill someone to remove all the screws, however I don't particularly want to.

Do you comprehend the lingo? Probably not.

No, 3RAR, Holsworthy Barracks.

I just like the ASLAV vehicle is all.

Also, it's only black beret (not black hat) and hasn't been used since the 40s and 50s.

As to why I want your e-mail address -

Perhaps MSN or e-mail would be more suited to your needs?

I am telling you, someone who did Iraq in this millenium, used the term blackhat. Once again, wrong.

At least you capitalised it that time.

So you are in 3RAR are you?

Do you know a bloke who had shin splits and didn't get to deploy to Timor because no one liked him and used to get stuck guarding all the time?

Do you know a guy ex-3RAR who transferred there from the SASR a few years ago?

[Aslav]

Thanks for the screw loose. The more screws loose I get the sooner I stop being an ugly duckling. Alternatively I can just kill someone to remove all the screws, however I don't particularly want to.

Do you comprehend the lingo? Probably not.



I am telling you, someone who did Iraq in this millenium, used the term blackhat. Once again, wrong.

At least you capitalised it that time.

So you are in 3RAR are you?

Do you know a bloke who had shin splits and didn't get to deploy to Timor because no one liked him and used to get stuck guarding all the time?

Do you know a guy ex-3RAR who transferred there from the SASR a few years ago?

No, I do not know everybodies background and no to your other guy, nor does anybody I've just asked.

Also, you have yet to provide me with your e-mail or any documented proof, where are the supposed nuclear weapons being stored?

In what form, bomb, ICBM??? SLBM??

[talonner]

There is at least one at Holsworthy.

[Aslav]

There is at least one at Holsworthy.

In what form, bomb?

There is definitely no ICBM silos here on base.

[talonner]

It's across the road at Moorebank, so not really Holsworthy then, is it? Right near the road though.

Do you still learn to stick lead in to wounded enemy rather than taking them prisoner?

[Aslav]

It's across the road at Moorebank, so not really Holsworthy then, is it? Right near the road though.

Do you still learn to stick lead in to wounded enemy rather than taking them prisoner?

So, there is currently a nuclear bomb at Moorebank weapons storage facility?

Any idea on the yield and delivery system (F-111??)

[talonner]

It's not in the weapons storage facility.

[Aslav]

It's not in the weapons storage facility.

Is it a bomb or an ICBM, if not in the facility, where?

[talonner]

It could flatten the whole base.

[Aslav]

It could flatten the whole base.

Yield and delivery system?

ICBM or bomb?

[talonner]

I've only seen it a handful of times.

Not sure.

So, did you learn to kill enemy wounded during training or not?

[Aslav]

I've only seen it a handful of times.

Not sure.

So, did you learn to kill enemy wounded during training or not?

No, we didn't.

You've seen it?

How did that happen?

[talonner]

You weren't taught to kill the wounded during training?

How did it happen? I was shown it.

Not surprised you aren't aware of it being there.

[Aslav]

You weren't taught to kill the wounded during training?

How did it happen? I was shown it.

Not surprised you aren't aware of it being there.

No, we weren't.

You were shown it, by who?

Surely there would be some clearance issues.

[talonner]

Surely you still don't know what you're talking about.

Have fun working for the enemy.

[Aslav]

Surely you still don't know what you're talking about.

Have fun working for the enemy.

LOL!

I knew you were a complete nutjob :)

[talonner]

Never underestimate your enemy.

[Aslav]

Never underestimate your enemy.

Lol, you're not the enemy, you're just some keyboard commando complete lunatic, always making up stupid ideas.

[talonner]

I've been hypno trained from the age of about 6. My babysitter was ASIS between ages 8-10.

And I absolutely despise the government.

[Aslav]

I've been hypno trained from the age of about 6. My babysitter was ASIS between ages 8-10.

And I absolutely despise the government.

Haha, yeah, I don't see an ASIS employee moonlighting as a babysitter, champ.

Back to Conspiracy board with you!

[dysik]

aslav no offence but your really making a bit of a tool of yourself.

this guy has got you hook line and sinker. in the last few posts it seems he has felt sorry for you and so spouted random shit you you could smell the cheese.

[Aslav]

aslav no offence but your really making a bit of a tool of yourself.

this guy has got you hook line and sinker. in the last few posts it seems he has felt sorry for you and so spouted random shit you you could smell the cheese.

Nah, he is a bit of a troll but for the most part believes what he is posting.

[dysik]

I've been hypno trained from the age of about 6. My babysitter was ASIS between ages 8-10.

And I absolutely despise the government.

mmmmmm perhaps. but doesnt this sort of scitzophrenia come with paranoia? he doesnt seem to be scared of the govornment. more that they should be scared of him.

[Aslav]

mmmmmm perhaps. but doesnt this sort of scitzophrenia come with paranoia? he doesnt seem to be scared of the govornment. more that they should be scared of him.

He is saying I'm working with the enemy and that I'm not to be trusted (on PM).. so that is his paranoia and he is hitting back.

[f a r t m e i s t e r]

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/2106/phpj2ebdk.jpg

[a giant pterodactyl]

He is saying I'm working with the enemy and that I'm not to be trusted (on PM).. so that is his paranoia and he is hitting back.

take lots of screen shots, for the lulz, lator.

[a giant pterodactyl]

I have very credible sources.

I know what I know.

You don't know anything.

And that is how it will stay.

Australia does have nuclear weapons under Australian control. The reason certain US munitions are not purchased is because they can be remotely deactivated by the USA.

You are a no one, and you know nothing.

I have never been affiliated with the Australian government in terms of employment according to you?

Once again, wrong.

Fuck off and die cumstain.

http://i.ehow.com/images/GlobalPhoto/Articles/2245656/bunny-main_Full.jpg <talonners very credible resources.

the boy should really understand that when you attempt to troll a website that is completely composed of former trolls, and current trolls, you should be prepared to get your ass handed to you every 15 seconds. tee hee

[Spam Man Sam]

I think Australia has the right idea. They are really a 'city upon a hill' in this theatre, and need to be able to project force onto the Chinese mainland. When the war with China occurs, the modern day ANZACs will have to hold off untill forces from Hawaii arrive.

[rabbitweed]

I think Australia has the right idea. They are really a 'city upon a hill' in this theatre, and need to be able to project force onto the Chinese mainland. When the war with China occurs, the modern day ANZACs will have to hold off untill forces from Hawaii arrive.

LOL righto General MacArthur!

[ACEMOBILE]

Hey can someone move this to It's a Conspiracy!!! ???? This has nothing to do with mission support.

[Aslav]

Hey can someone move this to It's a Conspiracy!!! ???? This has nothing to do with mission support.

What the shit, yes it does, it's talking about a massive military build-up which has been announced by the Government. Just one guy with his conspiracy theories does not change that!

[talonner]

http://www.chinamil.com.cn/iframe/site1/top/image/1-com.jpg
http://www.defenselink.mil/Images/508DLheader990bg.gif

[ShyStar]

Sounds like the government's way of wasting our money so they control us into working all our lives.

China is probably mentioned because they got the order form to make the waste of money.

[talonner]

China aren't as bad as the western propaganda machine would make you want to believe.

[Lman1578]

China aren't as bad as the western propaganda machine would make you want to believe.

yes they are, i was talking to a china person on omegle. He said his country fucking sucks. The girls dont have sex, they have no sports teams, no parties, and their forced to study all fucken day, by their unloving strict parents. Sounds like the ingredients for one crappy country

[Aslav]

China aren't as bad as the western propaganda machine would make you want to believe.

I guess if you don't mind having no rights and shitty living conditions, it's an alright country..?

If you love it so much, go live there and take your retarded conspiracy theories with you.

[talonner]

yes they are, i was talking to a china person on omegle. He said his country fucking sucks. The girls dont have sex, they have no sports teams, no parties, and their forced to study all fucken day, by their unloving strict parents. Sounds like the ingredients for one crappy country

Did you know that there is a sex amusement park sort of thing opening/opened in China? It's not what it sounds by the way.

They also do have sports teams.

They also do party.

Chinese have a very chaste culture historically.

Anyway, wait for the 'westernisation' of China that is upcoming, and the decline of the modern western countries in to that of 2nd world, or worse, countries.

[talonner]

I guess if you don't mind having no rights and shitty living conditions, it's an alright country..?

If you love it so much, go live there and take your retarded conspiracy theories with you.

Did you know they recently opened a hotline where you can complain about Chinese government officials and are trying to stamp out corruption and crime in that country?

It does have a massive population, mind you.

They do have rights.

There are also a lot of billionaires who are ethnic Chinese.

[Kwinnie Bogan]

China aren't as bad as the western propaganda machine would make you want to believe.

Well yeah and no, this is taken from some other forums I am on, and is another way of looking at it:



Random Aussie bloke:
Got to wonder about doing business in China, they have cracked the shits over the fact that we woudn't sell out our mining industry to them, so they start arresting our mining execs, they are like little kids having a tantrum over not being able to take another kids toy!


Aussie who operates out of China as a Big Suit executive and also a diplomat:

That may be one way of looking at it. The other is that they have lost face and someone in the security service rather than the government devised a way to save some. It is the "they" that is the problem -they in the case appear to be the Chinese equivalent of the CIA and we know the track record of these types of organisations all around the world is hardly stellar when it comes to obeying the law to what their citizens would expect.
It will have to be worked through but China cannot afford to stuff this one up. I also think that the gentleman in question having the family name Hu may have that ace up his sleeve. He is a very good negotiator and well respected in Beijing so I think he will get government support unless the evidence is extremely damning and then if it is and can be proved without doubt then we have no leg to stand on even though we know such activities are common in all levels of negotiating there.
If it is not resolved then it will make a huge difference to their car industry and construction equipment industries as well as the building industry at a time where they need to be at their most active.
I could be wrong but I feel this won't be resolved for at least a month unless Mr Rudd and President Hu can get together, sort something out and tell their respective nations that "this is what is". Australia's opposition is not being at all helpful at the moment me thinks - especially Ms Bishop.
Maybe Mr Rudd needs to talk to the head of Walmart!

^That concerns me severely in some aspets, but also at the same time is re-assuring in other aspects - additionally because this guy isn't going to say those kinds of things unless they're 110% accurate.

[Aslav]

If this thread isn't quite enough to convince you that talonner is a batshit insane conspiracy theorist, a few pm's from him.

Him claiming that a few images from a Chinese website is enough to infect government computers which I am not using..

Also, if you accessed that thread and viewed that image from a base or a computer that has access to the DRN, the Chinese military are now in Australian government computers on the defence network.

Not that they haven't been for years....

This pretty much explains itself..

They're pretty technical and smart those Chinese.

Eg, if you have a very old computer that has no wireless or network capability, the Chinese can still get access to it via electrical impulses detected.

[Star Wars Fan]

If I'm not mistaking China is building up their military as well.

They are. They built a decent-size Submarine Base on that Chinese island (I forgot which one-its the southern decent-size island off their mainland).

Also im not surprised. Doesn't Australia think Indonesia would invade them?

[Aslav]

Doesn't Australia think Indonesia would invade them?

Indonesia doesn't have enough equipment to invade anybody.

Our military had to go in to Indonesia after the tsunami just to provide drinking water to their citizens.

[Irukanji]

So, what's your opinion on the build-up?

Chinese diplomats confused and alarmed.

* 100 x new Joint Strike Fighter aircraft.
* 3 x new air warfare destroyers.
* 12 x new submarines.
* 8 x new 7000-tonne warships equipped with ballistic missile defence systems similar to the three air warfare destroyers.
* 14 x new 1500-tonne corvette-size patrol boats able to take a helicopter.
* 8 x new P-8 Poseidon long-range surveillance aircraft.
* 7 x new unmanned aerial surveillance vehicles - Global Hawk or similar.
* 27 x new anti-submarine helicopters.
* 6 x new C-130J Hercules transport aircraft.
* 13 x new transport aircraft to replace DHC-4 Caribou.
* 4 x new Chinook helicopters.
* ?? x new generation of armoured fighting vehicles.
* $10 billion long-term expansion and "hardening and networking" of the army will continue with the regular army growing to about 30,000, including eight infantry battalions.

Lol @ chinks thinking we are a threat. We dont need to start shit, but we need to make sure we can stop it. Besides, China would be making the biggest mistake of it's entire history attacking Australia. I could guarantee you 60-80% of the people would sign up straight away. We have agriculture to support our small(21million) people indefinately. We dont rely much on imports of food, or water, or electricity.

And China is making/completed making a giant underground submarine pen in the south-china sea. This is a big problem for the rest of the world. We just want to be sure we have the required counter-measure, to show those commie bastard. The only way you could invade australia is with a 10million+ sized force or by air. And i could guarantee you our pilots are better and more aggressive then the commies pilots.(like the rudder of a F/A-18 getting ripped off from pulling too many G's, happened 5 or 6 times)

Owell, they would never invade, nor attack us. They wouldnt have enough logistical support all the way down here, the US would only have to move into the south-china sea and their entire force is cut off.

[talonner]

If this thread isn't quite enough to convince you that talonner is a batshit insane conspiracy theorist, a few pm's from him.

Him claiming that a few images from a Chinese website is enough to infect government computers which I am not using..



This pretty much explains itself..

So anyway, you wrote to me you are an officer, based at Holsworthy with 3RAR, graduated from ADFA with people who went to ASIS, ASIO, 4RAR, CDT's, SASR etc. I might not believe you.

You also referred to Obama as a "magic negro". Talk about bringing the ADF in to disrepute.

You should get reported. I heard about this thing called ADFIS just recently. However, being non ADF (:rolleyes:) it might be hard for me to report you.

There is no place for racism in the ADF, apparently.

[Syphilis]

yes they are, i was talking to a china person on omegle. He said his country fucking sucks. The girls dont have sex, they have no sports teams, no parties, and their forced to study all fucken day, by their unloving strict parents. Sounds like the ingredients for one crappy country

They also have shit cars.

[Aslav]

So anyway, you wrote to me you are an officer, based at Holsworthy with 3RAR, graduated from ADFA with people who went to ASIS, ASIO, 4RAR, CDT's, SASR etc. I might not believe you.

You also referred to Obama as a "magic negro". Talk about bringing the ADF in to disrepute.

You should get reported. I heard about this thing called ADFIS just recently. However, being non ADF (:rolleyes:) it might be hard for me to report you.

There is no place for racism in the ADF, apparently.

No, for that to be valid I would have to represent these as the views of the ADF.

Also, check your facts, I have not represented myself as an Officer.

[GatorWarrior]

100 x new Joint Strike Fighter aircraft.

I'm feeling sceptical, aren't they like £100,000,000 each?

JSF are't that much. The F-22, the most expensive in the world, doesn't even cost that much.
It has a fly away cost of U.S. 83 Million dollars.
The F-22 has a fly away cost of U.S. 137.5 million dollars

[talonner]

Aussie who operates out of China as a Big Suit executive and also a diplomat:

That's pretty interesting. A Big Suit exec and also a diplomat?

So he works for DFAT? Isn't ASIS part of DFAT?

China found massive iron-ore deposits in China the day after the mining fiasco. They also have stockpiles.

[GatorWarrior]

Indeed. The Chinese are modernising their military like all hell, developing joint military technologies with countries such as Pakistan . They're developing aircraft that will check the air dominance of planes such as the F-22. They're called the J-14's, and top secret to the Chinese military.

Compare the two planes

http://www.military.cz/usa/air/in_service/aircraft/yf23/images/YF23_PAV1_01.jpg- Chinese J-14. Notice the much broader, declined, and spaced vertical wings.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/19/FA22_Raptors_Oct2005.jpg- American F-22.

Not only this, the Chinese have been accused of lying about their military expenditures; some in the West think the Chinese are spending tens of billions more than they care to tell.

Nonetheless, the Chinese military leaves much to be desired for still. Much of it's air force is obsolete, they've no carrier capabilities (though they bought an old Russian and are studying it to build their own) . Their navy consists mostly of submarines, and they seem to want to expand on this. They've built naval facilities capable of sheltering their vessels from spy satellites.

The Australians would be wise to keep a decent army handy.

That clearly says YF-23, which was the Nothrop Grumman Attempt at the Contract.

[Irukanji]

^Also, the j-14(f-23) or w.e is missing a vertical stabilizer. Lol.

[talonner]

No, for that to be valid I would have to represent these as the views of the ADF.

Also, check your facts, I have not represented myself as an Officer.

You sure you couldn't get in trouble for that?

Anyway, I'm not going to report you atm, mainly because I have issues with the AFP (they are lazy and a shit police force who don't do much of anything and are rude to me) whom work closely with ADFIS apparently.

[Irukanji]

You sure you couldn't get in trouble for that?

Anyway, I'm not going to report you atm, mainly because I have issues with the AFP (they are lazy and a shit police force who don't do much of anything and are rude to me) whom work closely with ADFIS apparently.

They would perhaps be making sure the guys in Logistics/Armory are taking, say, a F-88 and selling to an arab on the corner. Didnt a few pieces go missing last year and the year before? Probably some guys just wanting to play with one after their out of the forces.

[talonner]

Why should China tell anyone what they are spending?

Doesn't the USA have black budgets?

What about the Aussie gov selling heroin via Tasmanian poppies that are supposed to only be used for medical morphine that is cataloged, and using that money for black projects?

[GatorWarrior]

SHUT THE FUCK UP TALONNER YOU DIRTY TROLLOP

australia has one fucking missile silo, its in the middle of aus and its ownership is contentious, who the fuck cares, it has nothing to do with the american government hiding tiny little microscopic chips in guns that are made by a private company, the american government doesnt controll shit, the ships we buy, the planes we buy, the nukes we buy, are all made by private companies who are outsourced, not fucking "omg the president told us to bury chips inside the bullets so the australians cant shoot us with them"

you know whats happening in iraq, with the WMD's, the americans sold those weapons to the iraq'ies so they can crush the iranians with them, you think america would have marched thousands of troops and tanks in if they could just turn the weapon off with a magicall button, go back to meth and being worried that the governments going to crush us all and turn into communist's
But they do, the Australian Government expressed interest in purchasing the F-22, but it is banned from exportation by the Department of Defense.

[Aslav]

You sure you couldn't get in trouble for that?

Anyway, I'm not going to report you atm, mainly because I have issues with the AFP (they are lazy and a shit police force who don't do much of anything and are rude to me) whom work closely with ADFIS apparently.

Lol @ you thinking you could report me.

I am positive that unless I made some racist comments and represented them as the views of the ADF, I wouldn't be in any trouble.

I don't blame them for being rude to you, you're a conspiracy theorist.

[talonner]

Lol @ chinks thinking we are a threat. We dont need to start shit, but we need to make sure we can stop it. Besides, China would be making the biggest mistake of it's entire history attacking Australia. I could guarantee you 60-80% of the people would sign up straight away. We have agriculture to support our small(21million) people indefinately. We dont rely much on imports of food, or water, or electricity.

And China is making/completed making a giant underground submarine pen in the south-china sea. This is a big problem for the rest of the world. We just want to be sure we have the required counter-measure, to show those commie bastard. The only way you could invade australia is with a 10million+ sized force or by air. And i could guarantee you our pilots are better and more aggressive then the commies pilots.(like the rudder of a F/A-18 getting ripped off from pulling too many G's, happened 5 or 6 times)

Owell, they would never invade, nor attack us. They wouldnt have enough logistical support all the way down here, the US would only have to move into the south-china sea and their entire force is cut off.

China would crush Australia. The USA would not be so quick to come and save us. Also, China has been speculating (and might even have done it) about putting a naval base at Fiji. That would force the USN to come the long way around if they wanted to save us.

The USA has treaties where it has to protect Japan, they are sort of trying to get out of that. So if the USA leaves Japan or perhaps Guam to come here, guess where gets attacked in the mean time. It is not feasible for anyone to think the USA will help us. Just because they have underground bases here does not mean that much.

I highly doubt 60-80% of the population would be willing to fight. You can thank such things as globalism being forced down the throats of high school students. Conscription would be required.

Rudd was recently talking about bringing in a sort of NS scheme for unemployed youth, and the ADF were like noooooooo, we can't spare the men. However that is likely to be propaganda.

So imagine the situation if there was mass conscription. There would be riots and protests everywhere, fucking the local situation up even more.

A pilot ripping the rudder off an aircraft is not something to be proud of.

Also there are aircraft available that aren't available for public viewing or resale.

[Star Wars Fan]

Did you know they recently opened a hotline where you can complain about Chinese government officials and are trying to stamp out corruption and crime in that country?


Heard of that. IIRC it's been that way for a while (official 'complaint office' but the damn chinese special forces pigs tend to try to stop people from that. OTOH it explains the chinese' belief in the death penalty fro 'corruption' FFS. the punishment get WAYYYY worse in proportion to flagrant disregard for the law IIRC

Did you know that there is a sex amusement park sort of thing opening/opened in China? It's not what it sounds by the way.


link plz? im interested

Anyway, wait for the 'westernisation' of China that is upcoming, and the decline of the modern western countries in to that of 2nd world, or worse, countries.

I don't expect a 'decline' more a spreading of power from the West to the East. So white people can't force their BS on others w/ impunity. Also see Latin America improving (see Brazil) counterbalancing the US. Well a 'decline' in the US infastructure is fucked re city designs (lol suburbs don't do well during the oil peak). And a re-building/redesigning of US cities. I expect Chicago not to lose population, simply its forced in tighter to the city core.

and need to be able to project force onto the Chinese mainland. When the war with China occurs, the modern day ANZACs will have to hold off untill forces from Hawaii arrive.

haha oh wow. Project into the Mainland? I'm not an ANZAC fag but im sure that'll be bad for ANZAC to invade China alone. Sheer size and all.

As the white paper says, the US may not be in a position to protect/defend us in the event we're attacked.


Other than Indonesia (which isn't much of a military or economic threat now) who would attack you? Srsly? Vhina won't go invading and provoking wars.

is it me, or is that plane missing the left part of its tail? :confused:

It's you. That's the angle. The left tail's wing is built that way. And the angle of the plane as I just said.


We are going to get closer to China if anything.


and Japan as well. Trade from AUS to Japan is STRONG. And as Thailand and Malaysia develop...


Oh, did I forget to write, America is fucked?

you mentioned it. and yeah in some cases the US is fucked. But it can pull the dick out of its' collective asses if it wants to. Whether it will.....well see what White America did to black people and the inner cities after WWII

I know for a fact that certain US munitions are chipped and require US clearance to fire even when owned by a different host nation, as well as them being able to be remotely deactivated.


Those are the nuclear weapons IIRC. NATO has such a program, the US givine nukes to Canada and Germany, etc. Forgot the exact name for it.

the american government doesnt controll shit,

don't you guys have nukes leased from the US?

[Star Wars Fan]

Indonesia doesn't have enough equipment to invade anybody.

Our military had to go in to Indonesia after the tsunami just to provide drinking water to their citizens.

Forgot their lack of military fleet and rampant piracy examples of a week/corrupted defense force)

[talonner]

Lol @ you thinking you could report me.

I am positive that unless I made some racist comments and represented them as the views of the ADF, I wouldn't be in any trouble.

I don't blame them for being rude to you, you're a conspiracy theorist.

I can report you. I have a message and a phone number on my answering machine from today with a name and number for someone from ADFIS.

However I am most unimpressed by this country, so I don't really care.

Also, it's bankrupted anyway, no point trying to save it now. Ooh, and swine flu.

Why should I help them when they absolutely really need it, when for years they have sat on their hands and allowed corruption on a massive scale to go unpunished?

Not to mention their behaviour towards me, the AFP that is.

[Aslav]

Australia has no nuclear weapons.

talonner, you've stated that the nuclear weapon (I am going to assume bomb since I know there are no ICBM silos nearby) is near Holsworthy.

Why in the fuck wouldn't they put it at a base with an F-111 or other delivery system?

Why.. because you're full of shit.

Not to mention their behaviour towards me, the AFP that is.

Care to share?

[Irukanji]

Theres 3 or 4 Minuteman or Peacekeeper missiles in or around Darwin. Long story how i know this, but i might explain if you need explanation.

[talonner]

Regardless of leased nukes, Australia have/had their own.

Indonesia have actually been signing arms deals with Russia as of late (few years, perhaps? Not sure exactly, might be less than a year ago). And Russia and China are slightly friendly towards each other.

Australia is not in a good position geo-strategically.

I'll really have to go looking for that Chinese sexual amusement park (it's not what it sounds), if I find it I will post it in this thread.

Also, Japan are in big trouble economically and politically. Their PM just dissolved their lower house.

[talonner]

Australia has no nuclear weapons.

talonner, you've stated that the nuclear weapon (I am going to assume bomb since I know there are no ICBM silos nearby) is near Holsworthy.

Why in the fuck wouldn't they put it at a base with an F-111 or other delivery system?

Why.. because you're full of shit.



Care to share?

It's to flatten the base, if required.

Australia has nukes that are more than just defensive in nature.

[Aslav]

It's to flatten the base, if required.

Australia has nukes that are more than just defensive in nature.

Care to explain why they'd want to flatten Holsworthy?

Also, what have the AFP done to you?

[talonner]

Care to explain why they'd want to flatten Holsworthy?

Also, what have the AFP done to you?

If it was about to be overrun. Sort of a last resort thing to knock out vital infrastructure. There are also launchable nukes in Australia that are not American.

The AFP hurt my feelings.

[Aslav]

If it was about to be overrun. Sort of a last resort thing to knock out vital infrastructure. There are also launchable nukes in Australia that are not American.

The AFP hurt my feelings.

So, there are ICBM silos in Australia?

We don't have much vital infrastructure at Holsworthy that would be useful to an occupying nation.

How did the AFP hurt your feelings?

[talonner]

There's a lot of stuff at Holsworthy and yeah. There would have to be due to what is located there.

The AFP hurt my feelings.

[Irukanji]

The AFP hurt my feelings.

Party time?

Also, the main silo's are in the NT. Closer to the rest of the world. Why have one in NSW? Holsworthy may just be a storage facility for them. Look at all the bush, you let someone walk for 1 day in any direction through there. You'd never find them again. Now, those nukes could just be sitting in a concrete box somewhere in there and nobody would ever find them. But why stick the nukes and the f-111's in the same base? If one gets taken down, the other survives. Also, if the enemy found out, the site of the nuke would be the first place hit to reduce the ability for us to retaliate using it. Thus, we "lease" or just provide a site for them to be launched from, so we can minimize the threat we pose to the enemy.

[Aslav]

Why can't anyone offer any proof of these claims?

[talonner]

Party time?

Huh?

Also, the main silo's are in the NT. Closer to the rest of the world. Why have one in NSW? Holsworthy may just be a storage facility for them. Look at all the bush, you let someone walk for 1 day in any direction through there. You'd never find them again. Now, those nukes could just be sitting in a concrete box somewhere in there and nobody would ever find them. But why stick the nukes and the f-111's in the same base? If one gets taken down, the other survives. Also, if the enemy found out, the site of the nuke would be the first place hit to reduce the ability for us to retaliate using it. Thus, we "lease" or just provide a site for them to be launched from, so we can minimize the threat we pose to the enemy.

I don't think the F-111's are at Holsworthy.

But yeah there are nukes here, there would have to be, even if we didn't have our own, there would have to American ones.

We also have heaps of uranium and a reactor at Lucas Heights, which is essentially right next to the base there.

[Irukanji]

Why can't anyone offer any proof of these claims?
Cyclone Tracy ripped through Darwin in 1974 an old associate was a police officer during that time. Since the airforce had practically evacuated all it's personnel and aircraft to elsewhere, there was no reason to guard it, right? Basically, the entire Darwin Police force was tasked to "defend" the base, even though it was abandoned. And they only stayed until the army arrived to relieve them. But why defend a bunch of buildings and some asphalt? They didnt know why, as they were only following orders. You wouldnt fly a nuclear bomb away, since at the time the cyclone would've made transporting it pretty risky. Leaving it there under guard is logical, but a tad risky. But if nobody knew about it, then it isnt at risk, and the guys guarding it would'nt know any difference. He found out a few years later that there was high probability there was one or more nuclear weapons there, but since we have "officially" declared our country free from nuclear weapons, the sites remain know only to a select few,

So, my only guess is that they have kept them there, or maybe moved them into the desert. 10,000km's for a minuteman or a peacekeeper would hit practically every target in China, India, and some of Russia, and the desert would make it virtually impossible to target, short of GPS coordinates(no set ground features, etc).

Just ask someone involved in the higher ranks, and get them to slip the question in one day :)

I don't think the F-111's are at Holsworthy.

But yeah there are nukes here, there would have to be, even if we didn't have our own, there would have to American ones.

We also have heaps of uranium and a reactor at Lucas Heights, which is essentially right next to the base there.

I dont think you understood what i said. I said they are stored there, but not launched from there. My guess is they would get taken by helicopter to the required place(not sure on any bases in the east, but more then likely up to Qld). And Lucas Heights is primarily a research reactor, but i doubt they have any documentation for all their "waste". I know some of it goes to medical uses, but the rest of it is unknown. I think they have to keep documentation listing all their disposal sites, etc. If you really want to see how deep this is, i'd start there. Other then that, shipping records, etc will give you an idea. Also, US aircraft carriers definately have enough space for several nuclear weapons, should they want to transport any down here. Nothing suspicious about off-loading an empty food crate(like the ones on aircraft, if you know what i mean), since it is sealed. Stick it on the back of a truck, dive to warehouse, offload weapon, stick in back of van, etc, then it basically disappears.

But dont concern yourself with it. They have remained secret for long enough, and keeping people quiet about them is pretty high on their to-do list.

[talonner]

Missiles have the potential to become very obsolete very easily.

Heard about them 'Rods from God' weapons? They have the potential to be a missile replacement, however, sticking things like that in orbit is not very safe.

Also don't forget about the uranium in Australia, Lucas Heights nuclear reactor, and its proximity to Holsworthy.

Australia manufactures nuclear weaponry.

[Irukanji]

Heard about them 'Rods from God' weapons? They have the potential to be a missile replacement, however, sticking things like that in orbit is not very safe.


Their also extremely vulnerable. Every ICMB in current operation can reach the average altitude of a satellite. Even if you miss, the EMP + heat would be enough to deal with it. Also, sending anything into space would be against the no weapons in space thingy(cbf'd googling it). But w.e. Rockets and/or missiles are probably never going to be replaced, with the way the world economy is going.

[talonner]

Are you getting the info about Lucas Heights and its' proximity to Holsworthy or is it not displaying on your screen?

America likes breaking treaties, "Star Wars" etc.

[Irukanji]

^I know the rough proximity. If you want to discover the answer as to where the nukes are, etc, just get the following through the Freedom of Information act;

Power Consumption of Holsworthy, the amount of electricity generated by Lucas Heights, if any, and if it does, where does it go.

The centrifuges they use to purify uranium use shitloads of electricity, and if a fair amount of electricity has "vanished"(i think 10% is normal), then you have a starting point. But theres no point making them here - the US already has the infrastructure and manpower to make the weapons. Im pretty sure a lab in Adelaide was a participant in the Manhattan Project, or a similar project. Maybe the waste is transfered to SA? That would be a perfect place, you could have a huge underground reprocessing plant, and nobody but the workers would know about it. National Secrets act would protect it, and anyone who said anything about it's existance would be silenced(wether by having doctors say he is crazy or the other ways). They thought about "dumping" nuclear waste in the NT, so maybe it would be a good enough cover to dump the waste from the plant.

Depends wether you want this to be a conspiracy or maybe your just curious in the subect. Also, dont overlook the RAAF bases in the middle of no-where with maybe 5 or 10 people there at any one time. Sure their practically deserted, but it would be an ideal place to house a few silos.

[talonner]

No I was told by ADF people on more than one occasion over years that we have nukes and that we make them, and that there are some under American control so we can say we don't have any, but that we also do have some.

Also if they were making them at Lucas Heights you wouldn't be able to tell via a freedom of information act.

[Enfaded Serenicity]

Nuclear Weapons at Holsworthy ? And Lucas Heights ?

This is the most far fetched bullshit I have ever heard in my life. You have to be kidding yourself.

[talonner]

The writing on Lucas Heights was that perhaps nukes could be made there, or material required to manufacture them could be made there.

I was first told of nukes in Australian possession (not American on Aussie soil) in about 1996, apparently the Army had 3, then they had 2, (disregarding other services) then I was told of others after that such as bombs and missiles.

[The Savage]

I really don't see this as a "build up" lets be honest, the ADF has been in rather shit shape for quite some years, we buy second hand shit that the yanks are throwing out or some fucking genius goes and drops hundreds of millions on subs that were a P.O.S from day one, Then in a fit or pure fucking brilliance we sell the plant that makes all out ammo to the french.

China could probably conquer us with sticks and stones, we'll have fired our last round far before their last man had fallen.

BTW the jets don't really count we've been waiting for (and fucking paying for) those cunts for close to or over a decade, never know, might even see the fuckers before 2050.

[Kyoki]

I really don't see this as a "build up" lets be honest, the ADF has been in rather shit shape for quite some years, we buy second hand shit that the yanks are throwing out or some fucking genius goes and drops hundreds of millions on subs that were a P.O.S from day one, Then in a fit or pure fucking brilliance we sell the plant that makes all out ammo to the french.

China could probably conquer us with sticks and stones, we'll have fired our last round far before their last man had fallen.

BTW the jets don't really count we've been waiting for (and fucking paying for) those cunts for close to or over a decade, never know, might even see the fuckers before 2050.

The subs are actually pretty damn good. They're ideal for what we use them for, and every year, at the war games, they embarrass the shit out of foreign captains. They have a nasty habit of taking close up pics of carriers etc.

I just noticed your PM earlier. I'm sitting in an isolation ward on a mobile right now, but I'll see to it once I'm out.

[talonner]

Yeah the Collins are alright once they got fixed for sound issues. Diesel electric are much quieter than nuclear (reactor noises are non existent if the reactor is switched off or non existent). Good for surveillance and ELINT/SIGINT. Also not bad at anti-ship work, however when that's done the location of the sub has the potential to be compromised, depending of course on how the torp was launched. A flooding of torp tubes and a quick launch with a screech of prop blades will give the loc away, however there are other ways of getting torps out there....

However something to be noted about war games involving the RAN and USN is that during the ex where the Collins 'sunk' the carrier, before the game started they just mysteriously happened to come across the carrier, and went underneath it (literally) and followed it around till the war games started, and then 'sunk' it, which is a rather unrealistic real world scenario and perhaps akin to cheating. It would have done the crew not much good in regards to searching, detecting and following training and perhaps was a waste of an ex for them (apart from the RAN gathering intel on how USN carrier groups operate, disregarding constant sat tracking of fleets...), however the adrenaline rush/anticipation must have been interesting.

Did you hear about the Chinese submarine that surfaced in the middle of war games (that it wasn't invited to) involving the USA and others in close enough proximity to an aircraft carrier and other vessels?

That's pretty impressive, considering during war games alert would be much higher than war time, due to such things as competitive nature and also that they haven't been on station/shifts for say months or years not knowing when a threat will surface, and are constantly aware that there will be 'threats' within the grid.

And a Chinese sub snuck up on all of them and got right in the middle of the 'war games'.

The Chinese are good.

[Aslav]

I'd say that if NATO disregarded any respect or thought for other countries, they could pop up near the Chinese, who don't even have aircraft carriers.

[talonner]

The USA are a part of NATO. In fact, a major part of.

[Aslav]

The USA are a part of NATO. In fact, a major part of.

..

I said nothing to the contrary..

[talonner]

They harass the Chinese with their navy.

[Aslav]

They harass the Chinese with their navy.

Name 3 incidents.

[talonner]

Oh wow.

Does that really need to be done?

How about surveillance ships off China?

How about fleet locations?

You have heard of Taiwan, right?

There would literally be hundreds of such instances.

[JustAnotherAsshole]

^Also, the j-14(f-23) or w.e is missing a vertical stabilizer. Lol.

No it isn't.

Missiles have the potential to become very obsolete very easily.

Heard about them 'Rods from God' weapons? They have the potential to be a missile replacement, however, sticking things like that in orbit is not very safe.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment

That sounds fucking cool, but it doesn't sound very dangerous to me. (About) 75% of the earth is Water, and people aren't EVERYWHERE on the Earth's surface, so, such a weapon, if it were to fall from orbit, would probably just land someplace with a loud 'thud.'

[Aslav]

Oh wow.

Does that really need to be done?

How about surveillance ships off China?

How about fleet locations?

You have heard of Taiwan, right?

There would literally be hundreds of such instances.

That is hardly harassing them with their Navy & equal to popping up next to a Carrier Strike Group.

Taiwan has a right to independence from the Mainland.

[talonner]

No it isn't.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment

That sounds fucking cool, but it doesn't sound very dangerous to me. (About) 75% of the earth is Water, and people aren't EVERYWHERE on the Earth's surface, so, such a weapon, if it were to fall from orbit, would probably just land someplace with a loud 'thud.'

Apparently the weapons discussed could potentially have the power of a thermo-nuclear device, due to their weight, density and speed when they hit the planet.

Could cause tsunamis and such in addition to flattening entire areas.

[talonner]

That is hardly harassing them with their Navy & equal to popping up next to a Carrier Strike Group.

Taiwan has a right to independence from the Mainland.

Ok...

Taiwan, let's look at Taiwan....

'Made in Taiwan', big business manufacturing of products there, slave labour wages, puppet regimes....

Did the people a lot of good, didn't it?

The Chinese have put up with a lot of shit from the rest of the world, that would hardly be tolerated by any other nation.

Such as, the Chinese seat in the UN being held by Taiwan until 1971, regardless of the fact the Chinese were against Japan in WW2, and were relatively undeveloped in regards to military power. A rather polite, cultured and peaceful people. Who got excluded from the UN.

And now China has the upper hand.

[talonner]

Chinese Navy info, from Wiki:


Total All Vessels 12+--------~1159-1269---------450+

First column is the number planned/building, second column is number active, third is number in reserve. Obviously estimates.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Liberation_Army_Navy

Don't forget that the USA and others are highly concerned about Chinese military spending which isn't disclosed, and are fearful to the point of wanting transparency in to Chinese military activities, something the rest of the world neglect to offer the Chinese.

[talonner]

http://zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=47613

[a giant pterodactyl]

Ok...


And now China has the upper hand.

explain this falsehood, IN DETAIL.

[Kamuy]

Philippines is were the partys at, within two years.

[King Owl]

Thanks for the screw loose. The more screws loose I get the sooner I stop being an ugly duckling. Alternatively I can just kill someone to remove all the screws, however I don't particularly want to.

Do you comprehend the lingo? Probably not.



I am telling you, someone who did Iraq in this millenium, used the term blackhat. Once again, wrong.

At least you capitalised it that time.

So you are in 3RAR are you?

Do you know a bloke who had shin splits and didn't get to deploy to Timor because no one liked him and used to get stuck guarding all the time?

Do you know a guy ex-3RAR who transferred there from the SASR a few years ago?

You remind me of a bloke I went through kapooka with, name of Skidmore. What a fucking basket case you are, my friend.

If it was about to be overrun. Sort of a last resort thing to knock out vital infrastructure.

BLACK SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE!

:D

[Aslav]

Numbers corrected, purchasing 20 x new corvette boats.

Also, replacement for the Land Rovers - http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200909/r444124_2148892.jpg

Sexyyyy

[eesakiwi]

New Zealand just sold its airforce...

No shit, we had a bunch of jet fighters & we just sold them last week.

[Aslav]

New Zealand just sold its airforce...

No shit, we had a bunch of jet fighters & we just sold them last week.

Lol, NZ hasn't had decent jet fighters in the last 20 years apart from some Australian hand-me-downs you guys got. They had plans to lease some F-16s from the USA but it was cancelled. Pussies, you rely on us for defence.

[eesakiwi]

Lol, NZ hasn't had decent jet fighters in the last 20 years apart from some Australian hand-me-downs you guys got. Pussies, you rely on us for defence.

Yeah, once they paid for the planes we couldn't afford to fly them.
Then we found out what it would cost to train the pilots....

So they painted them with latex & left them outside. (couldn't afford to buy hangers by then either)

We have a few boats, one was rented out as a Orange carrier (no shit!) because it made all the people on it sea sick, which ment it was no good as a troop carrier...

I think we still have a few tanks but its just not the same when a tank commander has to yell out "Bang Bang" as we can't afford the shells...

One the other hand, we have great SAS troops (No. Thats not 'Saturday and Sunday'!) Some are in Iraq at the moment.

& some Medics
& some Chefs. Actually we have some of the best Chefs in the world.
& some Choppers, left over from Vietnam...

[nutsack]

One the other hand, we have great SAS troops (No. Thats not 'Saturday and Sunday'!) Some are in Afghanistan at the moment.

Fixed. The next deployment of regular infantry to Afghanistan will have very similar equipment to US special forces.

I think we still have a few tanks but its just not the same when a tank commander has to yell out "Bang Bang" as we can't afford the shells...

No tanks but great LAVs.

We have a few boats, one was rented out as a Orange carrier (no shit!) because it made all the people on it sea sick, which ment it was no good as a troop carrier...

Navy is getting a few new MRVs

Pussies, you rely on us for defence.

:facepalm:

[Aslav]

Navy is getting a few new MRVs

Sauce? AFAIK they only have Canterbury with no plans for additional vessels.


:facepalm:

You know it's true and with the pussification of your military it makes sense that they'd be looking elsewhere (Australia) to defend them.

[nutsack]

Sauce? AFAIK they only have Canterbury with no plans for additional vessels.

Hmm, I was told by a navy guy that there was going to be a few. That was a while ago now, might be getting mixed up with the other smaller ships being built (3x OPV still being built and 10x IPV which are finished)

You know it's true and with the pussification of your military it makes sense that they'd be looking elsewhere (Australia) to defend them.

We would work closely together as usual in a defense situation. I was facepalming at your attitude towards it.

[Aslav]

We would work closely together as usual in a defense situation. I was facepalming at your attitude towards it.

That implies that New Zealand brings anything to the table which simply isn't true.