Corporal punishment?

[Yggdrasil]

Article: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1895495,00.html

Time news
Shanno Khan, 11, a Delhi schoolgirl had allegedly been punished at school but did not survive. Shanno's sisters, who attend the same government school, say that her teacher forced her to stand in the scorching sun for two hours until she fainted. She reportedly slipped into a coma and died in the hospital.

I can't believe that any teachers would get away with this. Personally, I don't think it's the teachers right at all to be punishing students so severely. However, I'm not completely opposed to capital punishment. If you have a student that consistently misbehaves despite regular punishment and trying to talk to him, I don't see why said student should be spared the rod.

How do you all feel about teachers implementing corporal punishment?

[The Better Version]

Corporal punishment is just a way in which a teacher expresses their anger towards a child's inconsiderate behavior and immense ignorance. The fact of the matter is, they are children and so naturally they will behave in this manner. If I were a teacher I would tell my students that I could give two shits if they want to learn anything but I'm going to teach them and those who want to better themselves can learn but anyone else who doesn't want to learn can go to sleep....my only condition would be that everyone shuts the fuck up. They can listen to their ipods, text on their cell phones, go to sleep, read a book, whatever. As long as they don't disrupt the class it's whatever. Anyone who does will be kicked out of the class.

Unfortunately the way the school systems are set up, a teacher couldn't do this without getting in trouble. This is why you have incidents where you see the teacher beating the student, because they're so angry that they just can't kick them out. Bad students who don't want to learn and just act up should be sent to a special school where they can be dealt with.

[Proots]

Corporal punishment is just a way in which a teacher expresses their anger towards a child's inconsiderate behavior and immense ignorance. The fact of the matter is, they are children and so naturally they will behave in this manner. If I were a teacher I would tell my students that I could give two shits if they want to learn anything but I'm going to teach them and those who want to better themselves can learn but anyone else who doesn't want to learn can go to sleep....my only condition would be that everyone shuts the fuck up. They can listen to their ipods, text on their cell phones, go to sleep, read a book, whatever. As long as they don't disrupt the class it's whatever. Anyone who does will be kicked out of the class.

Unfortunately the way the school systems are set up, a teacher couldn't do this without getting in trouble. This is why you have incidents where you see the teacher beating the student, because they're so angry that they just can't kick them out. Bad students who don't want to learn and just act up should be sent to a special school where they can be dealt with.

Exactly.

Many years back, when I was in highschool, I had a teacher who's policy and often said quote was "Fail quietly".

He did not care what you did in class - so long as you didn't disrupt his teaching/others learning. I think that's more than fair. As a result - he had the most well behaved class in that entire school.

It's all on how you level with the kids.

[KillSwitch_J]

I'm not completely opposed to capital punishment..

Capital punishment for acting up in class? Ygg be reasonable.

[Yggdrasil]

Capital punishment for acting up in class? Ygg be reasonable.

Oops, Freudian slip :p

I still think that corporal punishment can be rather justified in cases where the students merit it. I've had classmates (though this was mostly in primary school) that would consistently misbehave just to piss off the teacher, or continually carry on with something that they've been asked to stop. Teachers in such cases should have the right to give a rather firm smack to the kids.

Sure, they can tell the student that if they don't care they can just not take part in the class, but some students while still in class will continually misbehave, and it puts teachers in a postition where they're exasperated.

I think a similar concept could be applied to parenting, but in which case I wouldn't support it. I'd never physically punish my child (unless they reeeeally misbehaved)

[Cliche Guevara]

Its interesting how education in Western society, or other similar societies how the students in the end have absolute power of the teacher. I remember in grade 8 we gave our teacher hell the entire year, and made her cry. Teachers are never scary anymore.

When I met my cousin from korea the things he was telling me about the education system there, the teacher is never someone you can bitch around and you are at school to learn and nothing else. They are not above hitting but they never need to because their authority is golden. Its no wonder why all those immigrant students were always so studious and geeky. Although obviously (as seen in the OP), is a rather questionable teaching method as it leads to deaths and violence.

Its amazing how well western society with education with its lax teaching standards (in regard to student discipline). Although discipline and learning is usually only an issue in early childhood education.

[Yggdrasil]

Its interesting how education in Western society, or other similar societies how the students in the end have absolute power of the teacher. I remember in grade 8 we gave our teacher hell the entire year, and made her cry. Teachers are never scary anymore.

When I met my cousin from korea the things he was telling me about the education system there, the teacher is never someone you can bitch around and you are at school to learn and nothing else. They are not above hitting but they never need to because their authority is golden. Its no wonder why all those immigrant students were always so studious and geeky. Although obviously (as seen in the OP), is a rather questionable teaching method as it leads to deaths and violence.

Its amazing how well western society with education with its lax teaching standards (in regard to student discipline). Although discipline and learning is usually only an issue in early childhood education.

And we wonder why the US is slipping behind so severely in comparison to other nations in terms of education. Our students are misbehaved and don't give a shit, and teachers are punished for flexing their authority.

[KillSwitch_J]

Oops, Freudian slip :p

Freudian slip? Ok.:D

I still think that corporal punishment can be rather justified in cases where the students merit it.

I myself am on the fence on this one. While I can see the need for it, I still don't trust the people we entrust with this authority over our children.

They (meaning teachers) are still just human, and they have their bad days just like the kids do. Yet would you want to be spanked by a teacher that's already emotionally upset over something at home. Then have them take it out on you, even if they don't realize they are doing it?

I've had classmates (though this was mostly in primary school) that would consistently misbehave just to piss off the teacher, or continually carry on with something that they've been asked to stop. Teachers in such cases should have the right to give a rather firm smack to the kids.

I've also known kids like that when I was in school. I've also known some kids that were falsely accused of being disruptive by a teacher, and were sent to the principles office for punishment over something they didn't even do.

I've also watched as a teacher allowed some of his older students (mixed class) to torment some of the younger students while he (the teacher) sat and laughed it off, and when those younger students tried to even things up were warned by the same teacher, that they would be punished if they did so.

Sure, they can tell the student that if they don't care they can just not take part in the class, but some students while still in class will continually misbehave, and it puts teachers in a postition where they're exasperated.

Then why not just simply have those disruptive students removed from the class altogether? Instead of allowing a stranger to beat on them?

I think a similar concept could be applied to parenting, but in which case I wouldn't support it. I'd never physically punish my child (unless they reeeeally misbehaved)

I agree that kids shouldn't be physically punished unless it is really warranted. I've seen kids that have been backhanded for no reason when I was growing up, and it isn't a pretty sight.

[Yggdrasil]

I've also known kids like that when I was in school. I've also known some kids that were falsely accused of being disruptive by a teacher, and were sent to the principles office for punishment over something they didn't even do.

I've also watched as a teacher allowed some of his older students (mixed class) to torment some of the younger students while he (the teacher) sat and laughed it off, and when those younger students tried to even things up were warned by the same teacher, that they would be punished if they did so.

Some teachers are just bastards. I've known teachers that

a) Don't give a shit

b) Can't take things in stride

c) Obsess

d) etc..

Sometimes, a teacher's judgment can be unjustified, but if for example, there's a student who constantly gets up and runs around the room (assuming he's a bit young or immature) I think it'd be up to the teacher's discretion whether a light stroke is warranted. Nothing of the welting kind. And I think this punishment should mostly be reserved for younger children. I don't think a teenager would take a stroke without a fight (not literally)


I agree that kids shouldn't be physically punished unless it is really warranted. I've seen kids that have been backhanded for no reason when I was growing up, and it isn't a pretty sight.

Sometimes, I'll see poor little kids get viciously yelled at or hit in public. I always give the parent doing so the nastiest looks, and I've confronted two about it. They flipped out and told me to piss off. Hags.

[puzld]

Education is the responsibility of the parents. There should be an understanding between the parents of the children and the teachers what the boundaries are regarding corporal punishment.

[Cliche Guevara]

No you are assuming these people all have angelic parents. You can only teach your children what you think are the correct set of values and beliefs and its very possible a parent will neglect to even do that.

Parents can only teach what they know, which would leave some kids out in the rain. And its very very possible to properly educate and inspire children to learn, without violence.

Also, I could be wrong but isnt corporal punishment when physical pain is used as a sentencing measure for a crime in a legal setting I mean.

[LiquidIce]

A few years back I had a maths teacher, a woman, that could smash people... with her intelligence. I mean she was able to outtalk and outmaneuver the biggest dickheads in class so that they felt stupid and bad. She was awesome at maths and sciences and after the first few months - she had so much respect from EVERYONE that all her classes were peaceful and quiet.

On the other hand, another mathematician, a guy, that just couldn't show he was the authority, basically was ignored on his own lessons.

Now I had a great physics teacher, if things got out of hand he would just bang his stick on the desk really fucking loud to get our attention but he still has a lot of respect. He was the only teacher we bought some brandy for at the end of the year.

[Raziel]

You can only teach your children what you think are the correct set of values and beliefs.
This.

In a world where shit goes down like ours, does anyone really think anyone knows the correct values and beliefs?