Comparing Weed With Psychidelics

[splashbluepuddleonsidewlk]

You know when you don't smoke weed for a really long time and then you try it and how everything is very psychedelic? How does this compare with mushrooms or LSD? I mean obviously LSD/shrooms are going to be way stronger but I'm curious how you guys would compare this. Apples/oranges?

[Captian Spectacular]

The only thing that feeling would compare to is the come-up of a psychedelic, and that’s a stretch. Basically, just take that feeling and amplify it, and add in hallucinations and confusion. Then it's like a psychedelic.

[Lysergic Rain]

I'd say its pretty similar. Sometimes smoking a lot a good bud after not smoking for awhile is even more powerful then shrooms.

But they are totally different. Weed is more dissociative then shrooms or acid.

[splashbluepuddleonsidewlk]

^^^ (both)

That's good to hear. Is there the whole extremely focused/memory loss sort of confusion too? Also, comparing anxiety - which one is more anxiety/provoking and which one is easier to "bounce back" off of? :)

[Captian Spectacular]

It's more of a mind fuck confusion with acid. With shrooms it's much more of a pleasant dazed confusion. As for the anxiety bit, I’d have to say mushrooms. once you start to get paranoid on acid it's a downward spiral unless you have great mental control and can just pull yourself out of it. With shrooms I find it easier to just be happy and enjoy the awesomeness. With acid it's much more of an intense trip. All in all though, acid is my personal favourite. It comes down to preference. Try both and decide which trip you enjoy more. both are great drugs and expand your mind in ways you never thought possible.

[Ivy Mike]

I get that too, however practically every drug feels the same at some point for me. I've had nights where I'm not sure if I'm drunk or stoned, however the aftermath of a salvia trip is strangely similar to the come down from weed and the come up for booze.

Is it just me or do you get weird "flashes of images" when you are really stoned or drunk?

[Speedy]

like u said, apples and oranges bro.
weed will never compare to some good acid

[squeegee]

I get that too, however practically every drug feels the same at some point for me. I've had nights where I'm not sure if I'm drunk or stoned, however the aftermath of a salvia trip is strangely similar to the come down from weed and the come up for booze.

Is it just me or do you get weird "flashes of images" when you are really stoned or drunk?

You mean where you don't have "smooth" vision? Salvia does this to me hardcore. When I first start to break through, every time I move its like my eyes take a picture and black out for a second....repeat every few seconds. If I get REALLY stoned it will do it too. When it starts getting like that, I know it is time to chill on the couch for an hour or so.

[nutsack]

Acid is kind of like the first few times you smoke weed times a million and with a clearer head.

[Rizzo in a box]

Acid is kind of like the first few times you smoke weed times a million and with a clearer head.

yarrp

[Virgo]

Is it just me or do you get weird "flashes of images" when you are really stoned or drunk?
Do you get that when you close your eyes/try and sleep?
I get that. Images of childhood things, really vauge.
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[Chazz]

What's strange is weed only went trippy for me after trying psyches

[RosettaStoned]

What's strange is weed only went trippy for me after trying psyches

This same exact thing happened to me. But weed is a mild hallucinogen. I don't know, you can't compare acid with weed. When you trip everythings a lot clearer, and your memory isn't shot to shit. I guess you could say that the crazy ideas you come up with when high are like the crazy shit you come up with whilst tripping except times like 100 and are way more philosophical.

[Mr.Happy]

I only ever got hallucinations from weed since I took too much MDMA and hallucinated hardcore. I've actually experienced pretty strong hallucinations from good bud since then, including physical sensations and distinct visuals (spiders and flies a few times), otherwise just patterns and ghost visuals. Some of the visuals I get compare to mild 2c-x effects (colour/pattern effects), and others are pretty similar to ketamine visuals at a moderate dose (quickly morphing faces, bodies and animals, things like that, very distinct and detailed but at the same time very quick to change and hard to follow). Nothing that even remotely compares to a strong hallucinogenic experience though.

[scovegner]

well they aren't really directly comparable, but I'd say if you took it as little as you would if used like psychedelics, then I'd say weed could be .. like for a person who's got no tolerance a joint or two of good weed will be almost like a low (non breakthrough) dose of DMT, but a bit less lucid .. lucidity is more when you've not had it for a while though ..

[ReclaimPublicSpace]

I've had some pretty intense psychadelic experiences on marijuana before, comparable to moderate amounts of psilocybin. For example, just last night I practiced some sensory deprivation by lying motionless in pitch black and listening to Sigur Ros, and I was transported into space, my body disappeared and I was flying through the universe and I was the center of the universe, and I think I even saw God but I can't remember very much. I do tend to get some intense closed-eye and even some open-eye hallucinations with high levels of marijuana, though.

[T.K. Baha]

Pot to psychedelics is like apples to oranges.

And fuck Sigur Ros! I don't even really know the music, I listened to it once and a few seconds was enough, but Sigur Ros seems to be as trendy is psychedelic circles as Bob Marley in pot circles. Doh!

[SpicyDarkyFanny]

Ive seen some funny colours and mild hallucinations while stoned, nothing too trippy though

[Lysergic Rain]

Some strains are more visual then others.

Cali Sun and Cali Mist always made me see colors and lights that weren't there. Turning the lights off really boosts the visuals.

[Rizzo in a box]

Actually I think the proper comparisons is psychedelics/psychosis & marijuana/psychosis

[JoePedo]

You know when you don't smoke weed for a really long time and then you try it and how everything is very psychedelic? How does this compare with mushrooms or LSD?

Quick question : if you don't know the answer to that question, how do you know weed is "very psychedelic?"

Anyways...

I mean obviously LSD/shrooms are going to be way stronger but I'm curious how you guys would compare this. Apples/oranges?

Unless you're hella into custom modifications of your biology, pretty much apples and oranges. 'cept shrooms, which are at times sort of like being stoned - while tripping. Which I'm sure doesn't help much, lol.

[DJ Meaty Cheeks]

Just do it already!

[Mr.Happy]

And fuck Sigur Ros! I don't even really know the music, I listened to it once and a few seconds was enough, but Sigur Ros seems to be as trendy is psychedelic circles as Bob Marley in pot circles. Doh!

Hating a band because they're popular is as dumb as liking a band because they're popular. Especially if you've never actually listened to the music.

Sigur Ros might be a bit of a cliché choice for psychedelics, but that's because they make amazing music to take psychedelics to. See also: Explosions in the Sky.

[splashbluepuddleonsidewlk]

Is it just me or do you get weird "flashes of images" when you are really stoned or drunk?

Yes! It's like a videogame slowed down to 10 FPS.

I've had some pretty intense psychadelic experiences on marijuana before, comparable to moderate amounts of psilocybin. For example, just last night I practiced some sensory deprivation...

Yes as well! This is the manner in which I've always done it. It's basically meditating or litening to music, rarely with friends and always incredibly strong, for me. I can work with it with my imagination too and it can be like different worlds, different dancing figures, different intense geometric shapes.

I only ever got hallucinations from weed since I took too much MDMA and hallucinated hardcore... Nothing that even remotely compares to a strong hallucinogenic experience though.

Interesting that that would change everything...I'm very interested what a strong hallucinogenic experience is and also I wonder how people can do these things in public places like Woodstock. I can't be with anyone but myself when getting the massively high high I get.

Another question I have is are the hallucinations in 3rd person or 1st person? I mean do you realize they are inside your head or does it mesh with reality?

Quick question : if you don't know the answer to that question, how do you know weed is "very psychedelic?"


Lasse Gjertsen, reading, other peoples perspectives, my own experience where weed goes "beyond" weed and into a personal experience (where I even with the goading of my imagination I can hear voices talking to me or morph my voice into a high pitch alien voice), also...


Unless you're hella into custom modifications of your biology...

St. Johns Wort? That's all. But also very sparing with weed use.

Just do it already!

I know! I want to very badly!

[Mr.Happy]

Interesting that that would change everything...I'm very interested what a strong hallucinogenic experience is and also I wonder how people can do these things in public places like Woodstock. I can't be with anyone but myself when getting the massively high high I get.

Another question I have is are the hallucinations in 3rd person or 1st person? I mean do you realize they are inside your head or does it mesh with reality?

I actually find it hard to understand how people don't like being with others when they're really high; I love getting stoned with mates. Then again, I rarely get paranoid or insecure under the influence of drugs (unless I'm on a binge) and I feel perfectly comfortable around others. Getting real high and wandering around town with a mate or three is great fun for me; being outside on a nice day is great. Why is it that you don't like being around others?

At festivals and things, I know some people who are paranoid about it but I realize that a good percentage of people around you are on some kind of drug and that the (usually minimal) security staff aren't going to be looking for people under the influence. They're only there to stop dealers and fights; it's like bouncers at a good club. As long as you're not blatantly fucked or causing trouble, they let you enjoy your night with whatever chemical enhancements you wish.

Hallucinogenic experiences are generally first-person and inside your own head until you get to very high doses. From drugs like mushrooms, acid and 2c-x compounds you generally get visual distortions like shifting patterns or colours, things leaving trails when they move, distances change, static objects move or morph, things like that. On higher doses you can see thing that aren't there, and on very high doses you can lose touch from reality completely and go into your own little world. Until you reach very high doses you do know that the hallucinations aren't real, but I tend to accept them as real on the surface and enjoy the trip without trying to distinguish reality from unreality. That's not set in stone, of course; different drugs do different things and different people react differently to them. Those are just my own experiences and those of friends of mine, but mostly I know I'm tripping. Apart from when I take salvia. On my best experience with the stuff, I forgot I'd smoked it within three seconds of taking my last hit and thought that reality had genuinely turned two-dimensional. And on ketamine I once watched myself talking to someone else from somewhere up near the ceiling, completely powerless to control what I was doing. K also gives me a lot of changing bodily sensations, like that I'm being tugged or pulled in a certain direction (salvia also does this to me, and always to the right for some reason) or like I'm expanding, contracting, ballooning, stretching, things like that. I also get sensations of movement a lot, like rushing or swinging through the air. K's a bit different though, it's a dissociative hallucinogen.

[Rizzo in a box]

Another question I have is are the hallucinations in 3rd person or 1st person? I mean do you realize they are inside your head or does it mesh with reality?

Today I ate an edible, mediated, and ended up in some sort of reflective-holographic dimension of reality.

So you can be in a first, third, second, or even fourth person perspective.

[auburn]

weed is a psychedelic drug you dumb shits

[splashbluepuddleonsidewlk]

I actually find it hard to understand how people don't like being with others when they're really high

My guess is it's just my personality when not high is generally introverted so it's basically just a bit amplified when high. But when it gets too crazy I just can't talk or make words when my voice sounds funky and the world is...changed...or strobing.


Why is it that you don't like being around others?


When communication is possible I loved it when I got high in one-to-one situations. There's nothing like that because unlike shallower situations when there's more people it's nice being able to get deep with someone and discuss pretty much everything and really get to know a person. Then again, I also prefer that without being high. Again, again, though, when it gets crazy I prefer to sort things out in my own world instead of having someone else to worry about too. Also, I'm not a big fan of the whole self-consciousness thing; worrying where to put your hands or if folding them is awkward just irks me.



Hallucinogenic experiences are generally first-person and inside your own head until you get to very high doses.


Cool, yeah with my "super-high" experiences I always could picture someone outside myself being unhigh and complely lucid and if I got paranoid I'd vicariously view myself through them...if that makes sense, lol.


On my best experience with the stuff, I forgot I'd smoked it within three seconds of taking my last hit and thought that reality had genuinely turned two-dimensional.


So you can be in a first, third, second, or even fourth person perspective.

1,2,4 dimensions, I await thee!

Either of you guys care to elaborate...oh wait I'm guessing it's impossible to explain what the fourth dimension is like. :D

weed is a psychedelic drug you dumb shits

I can tell!:bluecool:

[Mr.Happy]

Cool, yeah with my "super-high" experiences I always could picture someone outside myself being unhigh and complely lucid and if I got paranoid I'd vicariously view myself through them...if that makes sense, lol.

Heh, perfect sense, I get that kind of thing on harder hallucinogens and don't like being around sober people on them unless it's someone I know well. Also when I'm drunk around sober people (I hate that so much), but when I'm stoned I'm pretty functional and find it funny being around sober people even if I'm the only one who's high.

Then again, I'm fairly extroverted so I think weed amplifies that; I can see your point if you're a bit more introverted.

[AoxomoxoA]

Maybe it's due to my acid, mushroom or daily dxm use but now whenever I smoke enough weed my HTTP intensifies by ten(I can always see the walls sliding down or sometimes even a barely noticeable acid morphing effect) and some parts of walls sometimes "sink" into themselves in a triangular fashion. Not really visible but it's defiantly there. Those are just some of the hallucinatory effects on me. Ever see how the walls scroll down or up while coming up on dxm? I get that too.

Not a real hallucination but sometimes I get this really weird view of the world. I call this "that psychedelic vibration" because it reminds me a lot of how everything looks on LSD. It's the combination of being glued to your bed, the mild LSA like visuals, and the re-arranging(ever see one of those optical illusions where you have to concentrate to get a different picture? That's what happens to the world when you're really fucked up. I tried watching a Eraserhead on dxm once and I could barely concentrate on the movie because all the images were something else. Like, a chair a black space were a flower and that baby looked like a mountain. Don't think it's a visual thing, more of a mindfuck thing) view of the world that makes weed so awesome. I also get the strobe after getting too high. Getting too high reminds me of that lyric by Bob Marley "from reality I just can drift". The last time I got high, about 16 man sized joints, I could close my eyes and pretend I was a fox burrowed deeply underground.

Is weed comparable to a psychedelic? No, not at all. Is it a psychedelic? Yes, it could be classified as one but it's far from the real thing. Being really high is a radical change from being sober but it's not at all like tripping. Like a user said, it's like an onset with no end that lasts about five hours.


*sorry for the grammar, high myself.:P*

[JoePedo]

Maybe it's due to my acid, mushroom or daily dxm use but now whenever I smoke enough weed my HTTP intensifies by ten

Ucking feckpic.

::smokes a bowl::

::downloads porn::

...okay, it was just a stoned typo... but a really cool one. Props.

I actually find it hard to understand how people don't like being with others when they're really high; I love getting stoned with mates.

I love blazing with friends... but my definition of "stoned" instead of "faintly buzzed" involves losing all verbal communications and being able to communicate only through spatial mapping gesture at best, and at any dose, I become less and less able to be within ten feet of anyone unless we're sparring.

Which I fucking love, btw. Sparring, that is.

So, anyways... I could definately see how if I didn't have friends who were used to me and cliqued well, how I could rather smoke alone. All that goes away if I work to build up a tolerance to where I can no longer get stoned at all, and just end up moving a faint dreamy afterglow a little higher or lower with each bowl... but where's the fun in that? lol.

[scovegner]

Which I fucking love, btw. Sparring, that is.


How can 3 year olds provide an even match? :p ... couldn't resist ...