Recommend Some Books on Rhetoric

[Carbonbased]

More specifically group persuasion and public speaking. I’m looking to improve my use of logical fallacies and such to win groups, as well as use specific frames to solidify my arguments.

Any books you can recommend would be appreciated, especially if they were written by say a leader who used their particular speaking skill to keep them in office.

And if you’ve experienced these techniques in use your experiences would also be appreciated!

[Phlegm!]

Yo, fella here's some professional handy books that will get you well on your way to being a big shot in the social spectrum: "The 48 laws of power" - Robert Greene, "The seven habits of highly effective people" - Stephen covey.

[LiquidIce]

There was something by Schopenhauer called Eristics... or something like that.

[Centipede2]

I'd check out Albert Ellis' books on rationality. It's actually a type of therapy for curing depression but the basic premise is to understand yourself and the world better through becoming more rational, I definitely think it helps make issues/events/perception more lucid, going through the techniques.

Another thing is simply to practice, grabbing a friend and debating over everything really helps me find my weaknesses in things or when I haven't thought through something completely.

I think combining these two, along with knowing what you're talking about - I mean really knowing what you're talking about - makes the best arguments/arguing. From both you get a conviction and clarity in your views as well as you see other viewpoints when arguing with friends.

You can't argue with rationality and I'd say if you come across as 100% rational and intelligent than people will consider you a leader.

[Zay]

Words That Work by Frank Luntz. Logic doesn't win people's hearts. Sophistry does.