What to say to a christian.

[Equinox]

Basically, i want short-ish things to say to various christians who aggressively confront me on a near daily basis as to why I don't believe in God, or why there isn't a God etc.

Thanks in advance.

[slm33d]

You're stupid.
Your views are stupid.
Ill kill you and then we will see if you're god loves you then.
You're religion is a joke/sham/lie.
Jesus was a homosexual nigger fucker.

That will shut them the fuck up. If not brute force is nesscesary.

[Butcher]

Just tell them the burden of proof is on them.

[Naked Ape]

Your belief of a christian god is a delusional escape from the reality of death and guilt.

[Grinch]

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/05/090519-missing-link-found.html

That is all.

[hellspawn]

Tell then that you refuse to bow down to a guy nailed to some wood.
Or tell them you refuse to worship the bastard son of a cruel, archiac, make-believe deity ya know due to your belief in the structure of the basic nuclear family.

[Really Awesome Nickname]

"Your God does not believe in YOU."

[LiquidIce]

Huff raid.

Or... the "Your fly is undone" thing. They won't let go of you just because you ask them nicely, they're christians:rolleyes:.

[Barney'sDealer]

http://catmas.com/images/2006/12/where-is-your-god-now-preview.jpg

[Equinox]

No, guys, I meant things like... 'If God exists, why is there evil?'.

[Yggdrasil]

Just blurt out the argument from evil in a jiffy. I'm sure you know it.

"If there is an omnipotent/benevolent God, why is there evil? Does he want to vanquish evil but is unable, can he vanquish evil but chooses not to, or is he both uncapable and unwilling. Either way, he does not live up to what you profess"

That's way condensed, I don't know if it holds the same meaning.

[nutsack]

Basically, i want short-ish things to say to various christians who aggressively confront me on a near daily basis as to why I don't believe in God, or why there isn't a God etc.

Thanks in advance.

Be a good person and show them you don't need Christianity to be one. When you try to get them to give up their belief you are stooping to their level.

[ants in my poptarts]

Say THIS.


When I die, fuck it I wanna go to Hell, cause I'm a piece a shit it ain't hard to fuckin tell, it don't make sense goin ta Heaven with the goody goodies dressed in white, I like black tim's and black hoodies.

[LiquidIce]

Be a good person and show them you don't need Christianity to be one. When you try to get them to give up their belief you are stooping to their level.
This is good. Real good. And it's pretty easy, since most people won't know you live in a basement and rape little 11 year olds. Be the "Im good without God, so fuck off fags" kinda guy.

[Reality Apologist]

"Why do you believe in god?"

Insult him, and he'll shut down. Turn it into a dialog and you both might learn something.

[aussiedude]

tell them that your actually over 12 so your useless to priests

tell them you work at an abortion clinic

act like an absolute flaming homosexual, like something so far beyond offensive stereotype and flirt with the christians

[Hood Ornament]

God the father, god the son, and god the holy ghost are one, correct?

So god and Jesus are one holy being, right?

They are also omnipotent and omnipresent, right?

Alright, then in that case Jesus fucked his own mother (whether immaculately or not), or was at least present for it, good day.

[ObsidianZ]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Catholics believe the trinity are three separate entities?


*ObZ

[Hood Ornament]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Catholics believe the trinity are three separate entities?


*ObZ

Hmm, good question. I'm really not too sure.

Although, here is a quick, somewhat funny story about my last confrontation by a christian.

They made a reference to the upside down cross on my leg and said "well I guess that will make your judgement a lot easier, right to hell"

I responded with "Did you know that the upside down cross is not a satanic reference in Catholicism? There is one on the Pope's chair; It's there to symbolize Peter's embarrassment for when he denounced Jesus 3 times, he had asked to be crucified upside down due to his embarassment... then again, if you don't believe in Catholicism, then I guess YOU are going to hell"

/conversation


For clarity, I am not one of those big anti-god worship satan for the lulz and to be cool. I try to know at least a little bit out of many different religions, I just don't accept any of them to myself and will not base my entire life off of them.

[Syphilis]

"Prove it".

Failing that, punch them in the face, knock them out, and carve a pentagram into their chest.

[Skater14]

tell them that your actually over 12 so your useless to priests

I lol'd so hard IRL


tell them you work at an abortion clinic


Apparently christians accept everybody. :confused:

act like an absolute flaming homosexual, like something so far beyond offensive stereotype and flirt with the christians

Again, christians accept everybody. Queer, drug addict, doesn't matter. They're welcomed at church. :angry:

[Reality Apologist]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Catholics believe the trinity are three separate entities?


*ObZ

It's metaphysically murky. They are three separate entities, but they're also three aspects of God, and thus a single entity. Christian philosophers tie themselves into knots trying to work out the mereology in a coherent way.

[Winston_Smith]

Basically, i want short-ish things to say to various christians who aggressively confront me on a near daily basis as to why I don't believe in God, or why there isn't a God etc.

Thanks in advance.

Print the following on a t shirt.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e76/novass99/jesus_brb.jpg

Or, point out that Jesus was in fact Jewish. :thumbsup:

[reallystupidstuff]

The notion of god was just created as a means to control and extract money from the populace.

[Winston_Smith]

The notion of god was just created as a means to control and extract money from the populace.

Well, yes, but religion has been a form of societal control for centuries. It is the yoke to bind the common man, as Marx put it; "Religion is the Opium of the masses" - Personally I prefer my Opium to be Opium, but people derive solace in many different ways.

Some people find peace giving themselves over to belief, personally, I'd rather be an unhappy pragmatist than a content fool.

[ArmsMerchant]

No, guys, I meant things like... 'If God exists, why is there evil?'.

Actually, that is an easy one. Evil exists because we have free will. But at the Highest Level--the place God lives and where some of us get to visit at times, to so speak--there are no such things as good and evil.

[Got a Lite?]

Just tell them why you don't. You decided not to believe in an all-seeing, unseen entity who lets you do whatever you want and then punishes you when you can't repent for a reason, it shouldn't be that hard to tell them. If you want to be creative, tell them that you were told in a vision that God didn't exist and you believe it to be true.

[patton]

I would use one of these two quotes:
"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones. I am not afraid." - Marcus Aurelius

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?" -Epicurus

Oh, or just quote the great Billy Joel
Tell him to fuck off, because you'd rather "laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints, the sinners are much more fun."

I probably know how you feel, I'm an atheist at a catholic school.

I have to say, I was very respectful of the catholic faith until i was forced to go to religion class and actually learn about it.

[slickt0mmy]

If you want to learn about God, Catholicism is definitely not the religion to study. They've completely screwed up the entire notion of who God is. Just read the bible if you want to learn.
Aside from that, I hate it when "christians" come up to me telling me all about their faith. I believe the same that they do but its embarrassing to be lumped into a group with those people.
When they come up to me, I just explain that I have the same beliefs that they do but what they're doing isn't doing anyone any good. When you come up to people on the street its incredibly awkward and people get naturally defensive. Nobody is going to listen to some crazy guy approaching them on the street. If they really want to impact lives like they claim, get to know some people.
How hard is it to just get involved in other people's lives, earn and SHOW some respect, then explain your beliefs if the person asks about it? Beating people over the head is never going to work.

[hellspawn]

Tell them: "Your pathetic christian mythos will wither and die in the face of the almighty cthulu, AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!" I'm sure they'll get the point...

[Equinox]

If you want to learn about God, Catholicism is definitely not the religion to study. They've completely screwed up the entire notion of who God is. Just read the bible if you want to learn.
Aside from that, I hate it when "christians" come up to me telling me all about their faith. I believe the same that they do but its embarrassing to be lumped into a group with those people.
When they come up to me, I just explain that I have the same beliefs that they do but what they're doing isn't doing anyone any good. When you come up to people on the street its incredibly awkward and people get naturally defensive. Nobody is going to listen to some crazy guy approaching them on the street. If they really want to impact lives like they claim, get to know some people.
How hard is it to just get involved in other people's lives, earn and SHOW some respect, then explain your beliefs if the person asks about it? Beating people over the head is never going to work.

Actually, I already know all about Christianity, as I was raised a christian. I just wanted short things to say that will either start an intense debate, or will shut them up.

[ysr2096]

Just ask them why god killed Tupac.

[Rust]

Actually, that is an easy one. Evil exists because we have free will.

Doesn't seem to be that easy since you just failed at resolving the problem:

Our free will does not refute the problem of evil. An omnipotent god must have the power to stop evil while preserving free will, no matter how impossible or difficult that may sound.

Not to mention that one could argue that evil, or at least bad things, occur without it having to come from human beings.

[*ivy]

Not to mention that one could argue that evil, or at least bad things, occur without it having to come from human beings.

Aren't we also supposedly designed in His image, which would mean that for us to have free will and that to be channeled into evil, there must be evil in God.

[Rory]

I haven't watched it myself, but it says right there on the page it's good for defending your secular position.

http://www.reasonproject.org/archive/item/believing_the_unbelievable/

EDIT: Meh. I watched it, and there was nothing really new. You might want to though.

[Nightshade]

Actually, that is an easy one. Evil exists because we have free will. But at the Highest Level--the place God lives and where some of us get to visit at times, to so speak--there are no such things as good and evil.

Ain't the concept of good and evil based on our own perceptions and ideals of what is right and wrong?

But Equinox, I think the best way is to ask yourself why you don't believe in God and go from there.

[Equinox]

Well, I can't really use my own reasoning..

The reason I stopped being a christian was because I started coming to terms with the fact that I'm gay. I knew I was born like this, cause I could remember always wanting to 'hug' men instead of woman. Kind of difficult to describe. But anyway, I can't use that because almost nobody knows that I'm gay, and I'm not exactly ready to tell them...

[S'trak'yn'yar Krongoth]

http://www.play.com/Books/Books/4-/413128/The-Satanic-Bible/Product.html

Buy this. You don't even have to read it, just pull it out an wave it in their faces. Tell them to go away, because this is what you worship. Maybe read some of the Enochian Keys in the original Sanskrit. They'll run like fuck.

Failing that, Molotov everything and kill anyone left standing.

Failing THAT, this:

http://catmas.com/images/2006/12/where-is-your-god-now-preview.jpg

[Vizier]

Show them this:
http://www.irreligion.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/1196920462416.jpg

[Tillmyeyesbleed]

Sry but I don't believe in zombies

[Fightgar]

"Why do you believe in god?"

Because nothingness didn't create the universe, and a magic chemical didn't turn a single cell into a human.

There might not be a God, per se, but there is probably something.

[Rust]

Because nothingness didn't create the universe, and a magic chemical didn't turn a single cell into a human.

And you pulled both of those right out of your ass (not to mention, severely misrepresenting them)... thus proving the vacuity of theism. Thanks. :thumbsup:

[patton]

Because nothingness didn't create the universe, and a magic chemical didn't turn a single cell into a human.

There might not be a God, per se, but there is probably something.

This is the only logical argument I've ever heard for the existence of a God. But what I can't stand is when Christians (or for that matter any member of any organized religion) use this argument to prove the existence of a God. Because in most religions, God is portrayed as SO much more than just some sort of supernatural creative force present in the universe. The Christian/Jewish/Muslim God is an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent with thoughts and words and actions. They claim God wants to be in "relationship" with us. This is a deep deep misconception on what "God" probably is.

And as far as thinking about what God really is, I've come to the conclusion that it doesn't really matter. God is a concept that Humans may never be able to truly understand. It's a force out there that we can't perceive whatsoever, and every little bit of human knowledge and thought is based on what we can perceive. Us trying to think about God is analogous to penguins trying to think about quantum physics.
However I can say for a fact that there is no omniscient, omnipotent God who seeks a close interpersonal relationship with us.
God didn't create us in his image and likeness, we created him in ours.

[Winston_Smith]

This is the only logical argument I've ever heard for the existence of a God. But what I can't stand is when Christians (or for that matter any member of any organized religion) use this argument to prove the existence of a God. Because in most religions, God is portrayed as SO much more than just some sort of supernatural creative force present in the universe. The Christian/Jewish/Muslim God is an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent with thoughts and words and actions. They claim God wants to be in "relationship" with us. This is a deep deep misconception on what "God" probably is.

And as far as thinking about what God really is, I've come to the conclusion that it doesn't really matter. God is a concept that Humans may never be able to truly understand. It's a force out there that we can't perceive whatsoever, and every little bit of human knowledge and thought is based on what we can perceive. Us trying to think about God is analogous to penguins trying to think about quantum physics.
However I can say for a fact that there is no omniscient, omnipotent God who seeks a close interpersonal relationship with us.
God didn't create us in his image and likeness, we created him in ours.

Pretty much this. :thumbsup:

[13579]

This is the only logical argument I've ever heard for the existence of a God. But what I can't stand is when Christians (or for that matter any member of any organized religion) use this argument to prove the existence of a God. Because in most religions, God is portrayed as SO much more than just some sort of supernatural creative force present in the universe. The Christian/Jewish/Muslim God is an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent with thoughts and words and actions. They claim God wants to be in "relationship" with us. This is a deep deep misconception on what "God" probably is.

And as far as thinking about what God really is, I've come to the conclusion that it doesn't really matter. God is a concept that Humans may never be able to truly understand. It's a force out there that we can't perceive whatsoever, and every little bit of human knowledge and thought is based on what we can perceive. Us trying to think about God is analogous to penguins trying to think about quantum physics.
However I can say for a fact that there is no omniscient, omnipotent God who seeks a close interpersonal relationship with us.
God didn't create us in his image and likeness, we created him in ours.

Yep, this.

[DJ Meaty Cheeks]

SaY HelLO TO MY lITTLe FriENd!

http://www.popartuk.com/g/l/lgpp30041+say-hello-to-my-little-friend-al-pacino-scarface-poster.jpg

[Hood Ornament]

Sry but I don't believe in zombies

I ain't afraid of no ghost!