The Hive

[Ford Prefect]

For those of you who don't know the story, the Hive was a clandestine chemistry mecca founded in 1997. Regulars ranged from kitchen chemists and professors to those active in organized crime to professional chemists. Information pertaining to the chemical, legal, and political aspects of drugs was discussed freely. In 2001 NBC Dateline aired a special called "The 'X' Files" in which the Hives founder Strike, or Hobart Huson was revealed as the man behind the laboratory supply company Science Alliance, a company that he suggested in his book Sources. He was arrested on drug charges apparently related to his buisness, but the sites popularity took off. After he recieved an eight year term, a group of individuals took over running the Hive and Rhodium until it shut down in 2004. But...

Even before it went offline altogether, certain especially sensitive or synthetically useful threads were being hidden from the public message database. Around one gigabyte of user-harvested data from The Hive can still be found online, but the far greater portion remains held privately by former administrators.

Interesting story, but that bit definitely leaves me slightly incredulous. It's no doubt that the Hive and Rhodium archives are one of the most valuable tools we of us interested in the topic now possess. The decision to keep such a site secret would be very much against Totsean moral fiber and since I'd like to believe most everyone holds themselves up to such standards as we Totseans do ;) that leads me to believe there was probably conspiracy afoot. Government cover up? Or did the Hive admins just feel the public didn't deserve the information? Or are they waiting for something?

If you visit www.the-hive.ws it says it's under construction. Is it intended to come back?

And then theres the matter of Strike being arrested due to a Dateline special. A Dateline special! Was he stupid...? Or was he set up? Or was it actually just a job well done by the investigative journalists of NBC?

I was a wee bit to young at the time, but anybody among us now that might have posted? If any old hive members or just people more knowledgeable about the situation could help fill in the gaps, it's be amazing.

Strange story of a strange site. Any theories?

[Von Bass]

I'm 90% sure the hive will never come back, and if it does, not under the same name. The 'under construction' banner has been there for a long time.

I think Strike was a tiny bit arrogant, a tiny bit willing to show off what he was part of and what he'd done. To be honest, I sympathise with him, to a person with his mind set, and indeed the same mindset as various members around here, creating and organising the hive and undertaking various synths where really something to be proud of. That doesn't mean he wasn't tricked and taken advantage of by the reporters.

There are, as far as I know, none left among the &T/LT crowd that went to the hive. There are some members left on WD I think, which, if anything is what the hive turned into. At least, its where some of its members ended up.

I sadly think what happened with the hive was inevitable; a site of that popularity, churning out that much useful and relevant, possibly even revolutionary, material would have been an absolute magnet to our wonderful overlords. Whilst there is still sort of the same sized community, its now well and truly scattered, where the Hive had everything from the meth cooks to the organic chemists, they have now, in general, split into fractions and gone off to other places. I'm pretty sure I've seen Russian and Chinese boards dealing with some very interesting stuff, but I am barely proficient in English, let along anything else.

If something like that is ever to be again, I think it would have to be done through somewhere a lot more under the radar than a public site; perhaps something around usenet, private FTP clients, IRC rooms etc... Sadly this of course doesn't provide a steady stream of new traffic as the hive offered, and thus wouldn't make the community grow in quite the same way.

[stateofhack]

Ford please hit me up

[incorporated]

There's another forum with a few members claiming to be from The Hive. Honestly, it's got the best information out of any forum I've found. SN showed me the other day and it's pretty awesome. I couldn't find it with a Google search, so, in the interest of keeping things, as Von Bass proposes, under the radar, I'll refrain from posting the name in public. If you pm me, and I know you, I'm not going to be greedy. SN also knows of it, too (obviously).

[stateofhack]

Well, most people will call BS, but the hive is back up. Just relocated under a different place. I don't have access to it or neither can i prove it ( maybe a little bit but rather not).

The way i see it better like this, maybe one day it will start again.

[micro]

I have seen some 600 to 800mb .rar files floating around the net titled as "The Hive archive". These are probably the mentioned community archives.

[stateofhack]

Yes indeed, these are. But edited, there are some un-edited ones, around. Dig harder and you will find them.

[stateofhack]

http://nullbyte.org/hive/hiveboard/index.htmlhttp://www.comicguide.net/images/smilies/biene.gif

That is an archive of the old hive....:rolleyes:

[moxsniks]

That is an archive of the old hive....:rolleyes:
Oh yeah that has informative info forgot where I was mis info goes here ......better edit that fucker

[Th0r]

If anyones interested, The NBC Dateline show 'The "X" Files' show that exposed 'The Hive' and Hobart Huson, is on YouTube.

I didn't see it posted in this thread, but if I've missed it I'm sorry.

[stateofhack]

If anyones interested, The NBC Dateline show 'The "X" Files' show that exposed 'The Hive' and Hobart Huson, is on YouTube.

I didn't see it posted in this thread, but if I've missed it I'm sorry.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxk8tRBp1mU 1
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=niq-3yFTzN8&feature=related 2
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WOafo1y77R8&feature=related 3
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=S8PcAXfuufs&feature=related 4
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xfU4dXNnxlA&feature=related 5

There ya go, for the people who where back at the hive, i think you might recognize the guy selling the safrole and chemicals to the students, it is indeed good old spitball, and yes the "student" was indeed ph3sed from the hive ;). The story behind it is quite long,i hope to get around to typing it up!

enjoy!

[Th0r]

You were on 'The Hive'?

[stateofhack]

You were on 'The Hive'?

Who me?

[Th0r]

Yes. You.

[stateofhack]

Yes.
Different handle tho'.

Now back on topic please :)

[Ford Prefect]

Watched the documentary, and was overwhelmed by misinformation on behalf of NBC and the carelessness of the chemists involved. Who the fuck films the purchase of industrial-sized lab equipment and listed precursors? Also interesting to note that one at least one occasion ecstacy was referred to as methylenedioxyamphetamine.

It did give a humanizing view into Hobart Huson though. I too empathize with him and was sad to see how the reporter played with his desire for recognition, calling him the Charles Schwab of drugs and asking him to sign his book.

Thanks for posting it State! If you do get around to that story, I'm sure there'd be plenty of us that'd love to hear it.

[stateofhack]

There is a lot of stuff which many people did not understand of the hive, and its history is quite fuzzy. I was by no mean involved in any of "this" or neither played around with the "ring leaders", but there are still many misconceptions around it. I hope to clear them up eventually :)

If some of you have some "sensible" questions about it, i will try to answer them to the best of MY Knowledge:)

[pat]

was JP part of the hive?

i thought i heard mention of that a while back on totse.

[stateofhack]

To the best of my knowledge i remember that thread and i think he said he was in it or visited a few types, doesnt realy surprise me from him (smart dude) or should we call you LabToP maybe? Actually you remind me of this smart fucker Lab_Rat (who everyone thought it was shulgin)...you never really know these days ;) (jk)

[Irukanji]

JP is a smart fucker...

It's funny when people tried to call him an idiot or something, cause everyone who just flame the dude until he left.

[stateofhack]

So do we have any other hive members? *pulls of DEA badge*

Common don't be shy :)

[theend8913]

what happend to strike?

[Ford Prefect]

what happend to strike?

He started his eight years of incarceration Sept. 2003, so I'm assuming he's still in there. (1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobart_Huson))

[Von Bass]

He started his eight years of incarceration Sept. 2003, so I'm assuming he's still in there. (1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobart_Huson))

Interestingly enough, that means he gets out late 2011. Two/three years from now, just in time for the 2012 zombocalypse. What do we think he'll do with his life when he's in the free?

[DiamondX]

Interestingly enough, that means he gets out late 2011. Two/three years from now, just in time for the 2012 zombocalypse. What do we think he'll do with his life when he's in the free?

More clandestine chemistry? IIRC this isn't his first drug manufacture charge. Hopefully he will evade the law this time, maybe move somewhere with better chem laws.

[Ford Prefect]

More clandestine chemistry? IIRC this isn't his first drug manufacture charge. Hopefully he will evade the law this time, maybe move somewhere with better chem laws.

Yeah, he was already a convicted felon when he became strike.

But he wont have time with zombies running around everywhere. Although maybe he'll start a new hive with the purpose of finding a cure.

[theend8913]

i just checkd to see when stirke gets out and it said 06-20-2009 but that could just be a projected date

this is the link that i went to http://www.bop.gov/

[adam_777]

It'd be pretty cool if he did start up a new "Hive" style site.

I'd imagine he'll be getting right back to his chemistry either way, though.

[stateofhack]

Interestingly enough, that means he gets out late 2011. Two/three years from now, just in time for the 2012 zombocalypse. What do we think he'll do with his life when he's in the free?


Brains??

More clandestine chemistry? IIRC this isn't his first drug manufacture charge. Hopefully he will evade the law this time, maybe move somewhere with better chem laws.

Indeed not his first, but after spending that much while in the hole, i doubt you would risk being in it again ;)

i just checkd to see when stirke gets out and it said 06-20-2009 but that could just be a projected date

this is the link that i went to http://www.bop.gov/

Dont have faith in projections dates, they mean absolutly jack shit unfortunatly :( Look at our good old buddy Jacked :(

It'd be pretty cool if he did start up a new "Hive" style site.

I'd imagine he'll be getting right back to his chemistry either way, though.

I doubt he will, it would be extremly stupid of him! and i doubt many people will join!

The point is the hive was a one time thing, and amazing place, that could not survive because of the extent of the topics discussed, it was just a matter of time. There are/will be places which are similar (invite-only) BUT nothing will match it :(

GOD SPEED

[DiamondX]

Indeed not his first, but after spending that much while in the hole, i doubt you would risk being in it again ;)

That's why he should move to a country with better laws where he doesn't have a record. ;)

[stateofhack]

That's why he should move to a country with better laws where he doesn't have a record. ;)

I would doubt it anyways, but be nice to for him :)

I mean common, all the lawyer fee's and charges probably left him him with little money, i doubt he would do it again. Plus, making the news and even when you go another country, trust me, they will stick to you :)

[fcknut]

So do we have any other hive members? *pulls of DEA badge*

Common don't be shy :)

I lurked around there back in the day, but didn't tend to post much. I'm not into clandestine synthesis of any sort (really!), just an interested chemist...

[stateofhack]

That is nice, name ,address, SS number and picture of underwear.

kthxbai

On a serious note, fcknut drop me a mail please :)

[BongTech]

The Hive as it was, was a masterpiece of a site..... although I only saw it for about 6-8 months before its demise. {Same scr name as here and the other sites frequented, sometimes with, sometimes without the '101' on the end}.
By then Strike had been out the picture for a while and it was Rhodium and co....

His files (by which I mean Rhodium) are - or certainly were - on Erowid and have been hosted on a variety of sites around the web. Have them all on jump drive, but dont see any point in attempting to host as they are all 'out there' somewhere already.

The Hive will not, I think, come back as it was.... some of the bees popped into L.Tips at times, there was also Synthetikal and WD and so on... and drug-forums.... so the spirit of the place lives on still.

[BongTech]

As to keeping things 'secret' well, it's a tough and thin line to walk....

Talking about free speech and all that is all very well, but in reality as soon as a new means, or new source, or new extraction that works is put out in the open then new counter-measures can be created.

Know that at another site any more current means are kept under wraps.
And for the country where BT is he tries to discourage any publication of sources & methods for that reason, and also because m.a is not currently a problem there and it would be best if it stayed that way.

{PS:- am aware that the 'topic' is wider than just m.a - but tendency is to stick to and talk about what you are familiar with. Also aware that a lot of folks are moving away from the whole pills side of things, but they're still viable in some parts of the world}.

[Von Bass]

people with post-graduate like knowledge of chemistry posting to other people how to make illegal drugs.

Oh bugger.

I'm fairly sure some semi substantial work is being done on Russian & Chinese boards. Google translator can only take me so far, and I'm pretty sure I've only scratched the surface of what's out there, but it seems the major precursors are a whole lot less watched over there, and can be acquired in large quantities fairly easily. 90% speculation of course, I may well be reading into this entirely wrong, my Russian is as bad as my Chinese.

[synthetikal]

The Hive as it was, was a masterpiece of a site..... although I only saw it for about 6-8 months before its demise. {Same scr name as here and the other sites frequented, sometimes with, sometimes without the '101' on the end}.
By then Strike had been out the picture for a while and it was Rhodium and co....

His files (by which I mean Rhodium) are - or certainly were - on Erowid and have been hosted on a variety of sites around the web. Have them all on jump drive, but dont see any point in attempting to host as they are all 'out there' somewhere already.

Same as man. Although i dont have all of rhodium's files saved i've got quite a few.

[stateofhack]

synthetikal your not the "real" synthetikal are you?...

[synthetikal]

synthetikal your not the "real" synthetikal are you?...

I wish dude.

I just use it as a sorta "tribute" to the old synthetikal.com site. spent hours browsing the different files on it along with the rhodium site.

[stateofhack]

I wish dude.

I just use it as a sorta "tribute" to the old synthetikal.com site. spent hours browsing the different files on it along with the rhodium site.

ah fair enough! :p