Political compass thread

[MadEyes II]

What does your political compass look like?

I guess I'm a moderate economic liberal and a strong social libertarian:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-1.25&soc=-7.03

The test can be found here:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/test

[Nightshade]

Just because I was bored and had nothing else better to do...

Economic Left/Right: 3.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.54
http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=3.62&soc=-1.54

I guess I am a mid-right economic conservative and a somewhat moderate libertarian.

But yeah some of the questions were hard to answer, they seemed too general and the corporation ones I felt were biased.

[Animal Farm Pig]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-9.88&soc=-6.87

Economic Left/Right: -9.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.87

Almost all the way to the left, and reasonably libertarian.

Some of the questions were difficult for me to answer. For example, I don't think children should be forced to attend capitalist schools. I would be in favor of compulsory education in a socialist system. So, it was a difficult question to answer.

[reallystupidstuff]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-9.72&soc=-9.98 lawl
anarchocommunist

[Yggdrasil]

Economic Left/Right: -9.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.87


Man you're leftist! I like to think of myself as a rather passive socialist (I scored a -6.38 on the economic and and a -6.00 on the social one)

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-6.38&soc=-6.00

[Spam Man Sam]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=4.75&soc=1.03

Neoliberalism FTW.

[Creepy Lurker Dude]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-2.75&soc=-6.00

i am teh anarchy lulz

[Zay]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=3.88&soc=-5.23
http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=3.88&soc=-5.23
Economic Left/Right: 3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.23

I wish the right didn't suck so hard with their gunpoint morality. I guess freedom only matters when it comes to money. "Don't overtax me, mutherfuckers, but make sure those gays can't be free and those women can't abort."

[Captian Spectacular]

I definatly posted this in lol internet. I thought about posting it here but figured it would not get a lot of attnetion. Anyway i found that most people are in the left libertarian section.

edit: here's the thread http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=33690

[Butcher]

I definatly posted this in lol internet. I thought about posting it here but figured it would not get a lot of attnetion. Anyway i found that most people are in the left libertarian section.

edit: here's the thread http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=33690

These type of threads always pop up once every few months.

[HippieTrippie]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-5.88&soc=-4.67

Economic Left/Right: -5.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.67

Libertarian Left, damn straight.

[GenocideMachine]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-3.62&soc=-4.15

Economic Left/Right: -3.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.15

I'm more moderate than I expected, but some of those questions were pretty damn biased.

[Revvy]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-3.62&soc=-4.15

Economic Left/Right: -3.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.15

I'm more moderate than I expected, but some of those questions were pretty damn biased.

LOL, fucking hell. I'm the EXACT same as you. That's crazy coincidence.

[T.K. Baha]

The damn thing labeled me as a left wing communist. Fuck!

[I Ate Your Bees]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-7.38&soc=-5.33
Economic Left/Right: -7.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.33

sounds about right

[Audigy]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=4.00&soc=-0.10

Economic Left/Right: 4.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.10

[Rust]

Economic Left/Right: -7.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.31


Though still, I think this is a much better quiz:

http://www.orgburo.com/pofoquiz/pofo.php


http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=966

[MetaThink18]

Your political compass

Economic Left/Right: -6.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.72

[nshanin]

A very bullshit quiz; for instance, this question:

"A significant advantage of a one-party state is that it avoids all the arguments that delay progress in a democratic political system."

Now I for one totally agree with the assertion though I disagree with a one-party state, but the quiz still counts this as a point towards authoritarianism. Many of the questions were also irrelevant or tricky to answer if you held an ideology that was not a slightly modified version of the current system. For instance, would a left anarchist say that the rich are too highly taxed? On the one hand, he/she doesn't believe there should be taxes, so any form of taxation is too high, but on the other hand, answering this question that way would lead to an economically libertarian position which the left anarchist doesn't necessarily believe in. There are also many conservatives who think that Marx's credo is a great moral guide, but ultimately impractical to the point that it shouldn't be instituted. What should they answer? A bullshit quiz overall.

For the reasons above (for instance, I do believe that the rich are taxed too much, but not in the sense that the quiz thinks), I got -1.5ish on the left-right, and -9 on the up-down.

Rust's quiz is better, but there are still questions that could be interpreted ambiguously.

[Virus]

Smack dab in the middle, strongly libertarian:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=0&soc=-10

[Rust]

^

Weee!

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=0&soc=0



http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=0&soc=10

[Zay]

Smack dab in the middle, strongly libertarian:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=0&soc=-10

You should've caught the minarchist vs anarchist debate yesterday.

[Mr. McBee III]

The Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -1.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.79

[superspeedz]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-4.12&soc=-4.36
Economic Left/Right: -4.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.36

[Clayman]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=1.54&soc=9.92
Economic Left/Right: 1.54
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 9.92

Fuck your liberties :thumbsup:

[ChokingVictim]

Economic Left/Right: -7.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.64
http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-7.62&soc=-7.64

[Valkoinen Kuolema]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=7.08&soc=8.49

Economic Left/Right: 7.08
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 8.49

To the Right of Genghis Khan...

[scovegner]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -5.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.03
http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-5.12&soc=-7.03
It does have a lot of skewed questions, like asking if taxes for the rich are too much, well I'm against taxes but also against the rich 'being separate from' others..

[Tachosomoza]

Economic Left/Right: -9.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.72

http://i.imgur.com/sSbgw.png

Bump.

[Mutant Funk Drink]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=1.38&soc=-2.92
Economic Left/Right: 1.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.92

[Yggdrasil]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-6.38&soc=-6.00

Lol, how things change over time

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-1.25&soc=-3.49

[Tachosomoza]

Lol, how things change over time

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-1.25&soc=-3.49

Reeducation needed

[Zanick]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-4.38&soc=-5.85
(I'd post a screenshot, but I'm on the iPhone and can't upload)

Economic Left/Right: -4.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.85

I've taken this test every year for the last four and I've always been close to the middle, apparently my views are becoming more radical.

[Edge]

Economic Left/Right: -8.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.90

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-8.12&soc=-7.90

Ideologically pure Anarchist Communist.

You should've caught the minarchist vs anarchist debate yesterday.
Death to the minarchists. Tacho's gulags have plenty of room for them.

[Ghost Buster]

That test is complete and total bullshit. I found most of the questions to be stupid, over simplifying an issue, irrelevant, or unable to actually be answered. At least in relation to my political ideology.

Examples:

"There is now a worrying fusion of information and entertainment."

What the fuck does this mean? Seriously that could be taken in many ways. Way to vague.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

Completely circumstantial.

"People are ultimately divided more by class than by nationality."

That would depend on the nation

"The rich are too highly taxed."

That would depend on how you define rich and in what country this is referring to.

"Schools should not make classroom attendance compulsory."

That would depend on the schooling system now wouldn't it. Under pretty much all schooling systems I'd say the answer is no, but that's because we don't really teach kids to think, we teach them to memorize.

"Spanking kids is ok " (E: I copied the same question twice accidently and don't feel like finding the exact wording of the question. It was something about spanking.

That would depend on the circumstances and child in question.

"It's natural for children to keep some secrets from their parents."

This is a stupid question. Totally depends on the culture, the child, and the parents. Generally the answer is yes, but I know some kids/parents who share pretty much everything.

"People with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce."

Circumstantial and vague. I believe disabled people should be allowed to try and have kids, provided they are willing to abort any kids that are proven to be disabled in the womb and try again. This also doesn't incorporate modern science at all.

"When you are troubled, it's better not to think about it, but to keep busy with more cheerful things."

lol what the fuck is this shit.

"First-generation immigrants can never be fully integrated within their new country."

Totally circumstantial and dependent on the individual and cultures involved.

"Our civil liberties are being excessively curbed in the name of counter-terrorism."

Mine aren't. In america I'd say yes though.

"The death penalty should be an option for the most serious crimes."

I'd say yes, but merely for economical reasons. I don't believe the death penalty reduces crime, which I believe is the premise of the question in the sense they ask it.

"It is a waste of time to try to rehabilitate some criminals."

...That would depend on the criminal and your understanding of "rehabilitate". I'm sure the average criminal can be generally educated to function in society. A serial killer probably can't though.

"Mothers may have careers, but their first duty is to be homemakers."

Circumstantial.

"Astrology accurately explains many things."

Yeah I'm pretty sure most religious people acknowledge the legitimacy of astrology. This is pretty irrelevant.

"You cannot be moral without being religious."

Both of those terms are open to interpretation.

"Sex outside marriage is usually immoral."

I don't believe in morals. What option should I choose? And its circumstantial again.

TLDR: Stupid test is stupid

[Mutant Funk Drink]

Yeah, most of those questions are bullshit. Circumstantial questions piss me the fuck off.

[Dichromate]

A very bullshit quiz; for instance, this question:

"A significant advantage of a one-party state is that it avoids all the arguments that delay progress in a democratic political system."

Now I for one totally agree with the assertion though I disagree with a one-party state, but the quiz still counts this as a point towards authoritarianism. Many of the questions were also irrelevant or tricky to answer if you held an ideology that was not a slightly modified version of the current system. For instance, would a left anarchist say that the rich are too highly taxed? On the one hand, he/she doesn't believe there should be taxes, so any form of taxation is too high, but on the other hand, answering this question that way would lead to an economically libertarian position which the left anarchist doesn't necessarily believe in. There are also many conservatives who think that Marx's credo is a great moral guide, but ultimately impractical to the point that it shouldn't be instituted. What should they answer? A bullshit quiz overall.

For the reasons above (for instance, I do believe that the rich are taxed too much, but not in the sense that the quiz thinks), I got -1.5ish on the left-right, and -9 on the up-down.

Rust's quiz is better, but there are still questions that could be interpreted ambiguously.

Yeah, you also forgot to mention my favorite "Astrology accurately explains many things". What the hell does that have to do with anything?

In general these tests are entirely made from the libertarian perspective to begin with though. That's my bigger issue - it's a totally loaded question to be asking 'so do you prefer more or less economic freedom?' - as though it's already universally agreed to that wage slavery and regressive tax systems constitute 'economic freedom'.

a somewhat better quiz IMO is:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RationalWiki:Moral_Matrix


"Moral Order" (horizontal axis) represents the structure of your moral hierarchy. Towards the right, you believe that morality requires many "levels" of moral authority, and that we must respect these many levels, and defer to those higher up than us. For example, one moral hierarchy of this nature could have God at the very top, then religious leaders, then other people, then children, then criminals, then animals, etc. Towards the left, you believe in a greater degree of equality, with fewer levels of moral authority. On the most extreme end, you may even believe in only one level, that all beings are morally equal.
"Moral Rules" (vertical axis) represents what behaviors you believe would best benefit society. Towards the bottom, you believe that people benefit the most by prioritizing the actions of individuals. Towards the top, you believe that people benefit the most by prioritizing collective initiatives.

(the old site is down, actual test is now at http://www.okcupid.com/tests/the-moral-politics-test )
It's somewhat similar in output, but not exactly the same, at least in theory. It's putting it in terms of moral attitudes as opposed to "Your support for government intervention and quashing of freedom in area X versus your support for government intervention and quashing of freedom in area Y"
Unfortunately some of the questions aren't great either.

There was also a very good test that had like 5 different axes, including secularism, isolationism, ect that gave a good picture of any given persons views, but I can't seem to find it now.

[xool]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-2.00&soc=-2.97

Economic Left/Right: -2.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.97

Apparently anyways. Always figured I was a bit right wing.

But yeah. Some questions did seem really stupid and/or hard to answer.

[Cory]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-7.88&soc=-1.13

[007GoldenShower]

Get amongst it

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=5.38&soc=7.64

[Tachosomoza]

Y'all are some weak ass leftists. :lapastada:

[Struwwelpeter]

Economic Left/Right: -10
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 10

Muahuahuahauhauhahauhahahahahhaa haaaa
Bad for everyone... Now die.

[Tachosomoza]

Economic Left/Right: -10
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 10

Muahuahuahauhauhahauhahahahahhaa haaaa
Bad for everyone... Now die.

http://cdn.counter-currents.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/stalin_victory.jpg

HE LIVES!!!...:o

[Malice]

That test is complete and total bullshit. I found most of the questions to be stupid, over simplifying an issue, irrelevant, or unable to actually be answered. At least in relation to my political ideology.

This. I can't take tests like these.

[Yurpen]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-3.62&soc=-2.51

Not sure what this one means, someone care to enlighten me? But I swear I thought I was a right hander.

[LegalizeSpiritualDiscovry]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=0.50&soc=-7.08

Economic Left/Right: 0.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.08
http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=0.50&soc=-7.08

I don't know.

[Tachosomoza]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-3.62&soc=-2.51

Not sure what this one means, someone care to enlighten me? But I swear I thought I was a right hander.

It means you're pretty leftist economically, and you're a bit of a social liberal.

[Yurpen]

It means you're pretty leftist economically, and you're a bit of a social liberal.

I thought I was fairly right winged, Something must be missing in the test.

I can see how the text at the top relates to the picture now. I get it now. So what would this be compared to then lets say a leftist authoritarian or a right wing liberal? If those can exist.

[LegalizeSpiritualDiscovry]

I don't get what mine means. Or even it, really, at all.

Anarchy.

[Tachosomoza]

I can see how the text at the top relates to the picture now. I get it now. So what would this be compared to then lets say a leftist authoritarian or a right wing liberal?

You're not a "leftist authoritarian", if that was the case you'd be above the x axis, but still to the left of the y axis. You're definitely not a "right wing liberal". That's just according to your results on this, though. An Internet test isn't the be all end all.

[LegalizeSpiritualDiscovry]

You're not a "leftist authoritarian", if that was the case you'd be above the x axis, but still to the left of the y axis. You're definitely not a "right wing liberal". That's just according to your results on this, though. An Internet test isn't the be all end all.

What happened to him being Canadian?

[Psych]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=3.88&soc=-4.51

http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/crowdgraphpng.php?showform=&Rick+Santorum=7%2C8.5%2C-115&Newt+Gingrich=8%2C7.5&Mitt+Romney=7%2C6.5%2C7%2C10&Ron+Paul=9%2C-1%2C10%2C10&Barack+Obama=6%2C6%2C-118%2C10&You=3.88,-4.51

[Rolf]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=0.85&soc=-5.53

Do not truly like this quiz, though result not entirely inaccurate for typical political views of Rolf, notes Rolf.

It means you're pretty leftist economically, and you're a bit of a social liberal.

Rolf would say more fitting with center-left ideology than true leftist, comments Rolf.

I don't get what mine means. Or even it, really, at all.

Anarchy.

Certainly not, according to this test one would be economically centrist and socially libertarian, adds Rolf.

[Tachosomoza]

Rolf would say more fitting with center-left ideology than true leftist, comments Rolf.


Yeah, this. He certainly doesn't have much in common with me and my dot hugging the far left end of the chart. :o

[Yurpen]

You're not a "leftist authoritarian", if that was the case you'd be above the x axis, but still to the left of the y axis. You're definitely not a "right wing liberal". That's just according to your results on this, though. An Internet test isn't the be all end all.

Yea, It doesn't really go completely with my political views. On some questions I was undecided on so I went with an agree or disagree, effected the end result. Not too many questions where I strongly agreed or disagreed on.

"Centre-left policies tend to favour limited state intervention in matters pertaining to the public interest."

I guess that makes complete sense in what I believe in. Halfway to anarchism it seems. I can jive with that.

[Psych]

Rolf and I are similar it seems. Tons of bullshit questions in that test. I could take the test again and without changing my political beliefs, answer completely different and have an entirely different looking turnout. That's how much interpretation there is some of those questions.

[LegalizeSpiritualDiscovry]

Certainly not, according to this test one would be economically centrist and socially libertarian, adds Rolf.

I still don't get what that means, but okay I guess.

Rolf and I are similar it seems. Tons of bullshit questions in that test. I could take the test again and without changing my political beliefs, answer completely different and have an entirely different looking turnout. That's how much interpretation there is some of those questions.

Also, ^this.

[Rolf]

I still don't get what that means, but okay I guess.

Then 'tis best to avoid politics or political discussions in future, suggests Rolf.

[LegalizeSpiritualDiscovry]

Then 'tis best to avoid politics or political discussions in future, suggests Rolf.

Politics/money/government/power/control/countries/borders shouldn't exist in the first place.

[Yurpen]

Politics/money/government/power/control/countries/borders shouldn't exist in the first place.

Your chart seems to not correspond with this response.

[LegalizeSpiritualDiscovry]

Your chart seems to not correspond with this response.

Well all of those questions were stupid and could have been interpreted in an endless amount of ways.

[Rolf]

Politics/money/government/power/control/countries/borders shouldn't exist in the first place.

Rolf chuckles, chuckles Rolf. Thankfully such retarded mentalities such as these are so uncommon that they are unlikely to destroy human civilization, proclaims Rolf. Even Marxist-Leninist police state is preferable to a state where there is nobody preventing angry neckbeards from beating their mothers, adds Rolf.

[LegalizeSpiritualDiscovry]

Rolf chuckles, chuckles Rolf. Thankfully such retarded mentalities such as these are so uncommon that they are unlikely to destroy human civilization, proclaims Rolf. Even Marxist-Leninist police state is preferable to a state where there is nobody preventing angry neckbeards from beating their mothers, adds Rolf.

Good one, but not true.

[Tachosomoza]

Politics/money/government/power/control/countries/borders shouldn't exist in the first place.

You should be a lot further to the left of that axis.

[Psych]

Politics/money/government/power/control/countries/borders shouldn't exist in the first place.

That makes no sense. Shouldn't exist? It's impossible for them not to exist, well at least the power and control parts. Which influence the politics/money/government/countries/borders parts.

[LegalizeSpiritualDiscovry]

That makes no sense. Shouldn't exist? It's impossible for them not to exist, well at least the power and control parts. Which influence the politics/money/government/countries/borders parts.

They're all made up anyway.

[Psych]

They're all made up anyway.

You're made up. <- Makes as much sense as you.

[LegalizeSpiritualDiscovry]

That makes no sense. Shouldn't exist? It's impossible for them not to exist, well at least the power and control parts. Which influence the politics/money/government/countries/borders parts.

But yeah, I guess maybe you're right about power and control. They exist, and they should, but only in regards to oneself.

[Tachosomoza]

That makes no sense. Shouldn't exist? It's impossible for them not to exist, well at least the power and control parts. Which influence the politics/money/government/countries/borders parts.

No, it isn't. We'll have to go through a major growing up stage before we can handle a society such as that, though.

[LegalizeSpiritualDiscovry]

You're made up. <- Makes as much sense as you.

True.

[Rolf]

You should be a lot further to the left of that axis.

It is fallacy to proclaim Anarchism (or Minarchism) to be left (or right) wing ideologies, proclaims Rolf.

Good one, but not true.

Anarchism does not work on any considerable scale, notes Rolf. Even stone age societies had basic civilization in form of tribal systems, adds Rolf.

[Yurpen]

Can civil society exist with an anarchistic state?

[LegalizeSpiritualDiscovry]

Can civil society exist with an anarchistic state?

Yes. Well, civility, maybe, but not society. Society is an illusion. It doesn't exist and shouldn't, never will, didn't used to, and won't in the future, but it does, unfortunately.

[Psych]

But yeah, I guess maybe you're right about power and control. They exist, and they should, but only in regards to oneself.

No, it isn't. We'll have to go through a major growing up stage before we can handle a society such as that, though.

There is no where to grow up to. People have power over one another based on our enviroments. It's an inevitability that one person posess more power than another. Biggest dog eats first. Deal with reality instead of hoping one day everyone will just forget about it.

[LegalizeSpiritualDiscovry]

There is no where to grow up to. People have power over one another based on our enviroments. It's an inevitability that one person posess more power than another. Biggest dog eats first. Deal with reality instead of hoping one day everyone will just forget about it.

Well that's just stupid.

[Tachosomoza]

There is no where to grow up to. People have power over one another based on our enviroments. It's an inevitability that one person posess more power than another. Biggest dog eats first. Deal with reality instead of hoping one day everyone will just forget about it.

That's not something that I feel the need to accept, and won't. The fact that you do says a lot about your character and value to humanity as a whole. You're essentially an anti human, selfish dickbag. No human being should be able to arbitrarily claim power over another human.

[Yurpen]

No, it isn't. We'll have to go through a major growing up stage before we can handle a society such as that, though.

Maybe some form of singularity would allow this but I don't think there is any way of changing human nature.

[Psych]

That's not something that I feel the need to accept, and won't.

Ok then, keep your fingers in your ears and la la la all the way home.

[LegalizeSpiritualDiscovry]

Maybe some form of singularity would allow this but I don't think there is any way of changing human nature.

It's an illusion that that didn't happen yet.

[Tachosomoza]

Ok then, keep your fingers in your ears and la la la all the way home.

My fingers aren't in my ears. Your arrogant head is in your selfish ass, though.

[LegalizeSpiritualDiscovry]

That's not something that I feel the need to accept, and won't.

Exactly.

No human being should be able to arbitrarily claim power over another human.

Exactly.

[Psych]

My fingers aren't in my ears. Your arrogant head is in your selfish ass, though.

You refuse to accept the fact that people have power over one another, and always shall. It's a pretty fundamental thing. No hiding from it.

Take away everything anyone has and they still have power over one another based on genetics.

Face reality.

[LegalizeSpiritualDiscovry]

You refuse to accept the fact that people have power over one another, and always shall. It's a pretty fundamental thing. No hiding from it.

Take away everything anyone has and they still have power over one another based on genetics.

Face reality.

Bullshit.

[Tachosomoza]

You refuse to accept the fact that people have power over one another, and always shall. It's a pretty fundamental thing. No hiding from it.

Take away everything anyone has and they still have power over one another based on genetics.

Face reality.

I think we live in different realities. :o

[LegalizeSpiritualDiscovry]

I think we live in different realities. :o

Exactly.

[Rolf]

Can civil society exist with an anarchistic state?

"Anarchistic state" is rather self-contradictory to Rolf, as core belief of anarchism is existence of society without state, notes Rolf.

To belief of Rolf however, anarchism is philosophy that looks feasible on paper, but not so much in practice, proclaims Rolf. In stateless society it is only inevitable that warlord or conqueror creates a following and proceeds to form hierarchy and subjugate others through force or threat of it, explains Rolf.

[Yurpen]

You refuse to accept the fact that people have power over one another, and always shall. It's a pretty fundamental thing. No hiding from it.

Take away everything anyone has and they still have power over one another based on genetics.

Face reality.

That's a very cynical view but holds true for a small majority out there. I think what you do with your power is the most important thing for the good of everyone. Imagine having these sort of types running about in an anarchistic "society", like Rolf said, A heirarchy would form inevitably as long as this mind set is still in place and will remain in place.

[LegalizeSpiritualDiscovry]

I think we live in different realities. :o

Everybody and everything does. It is essential to existing.

[LegalizeSpiritualDiscovry]

"Anarchistic state" is rather self-contradictory to Rolf, as core belief of anarchism is existence of society without state, notes Rolf.

To belief of Rolf however, anarchism is philosophy that looks feasible on paper, but not so much in practice, proclaims Rolf. In stateless society it is only inevitable that warlord or conqueror creates a following and proceeds to form hierarchy and subjugate others through force or threat of it, explains Rolf.

State of anarchy.

[Psych]

That's a very cynical view but holds true for a small majority out there. I think what you do with your power is the most important thing.

Cynics are nothing if not realists. And yes with great power comes great responsibility.

http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/sony_pictures/spider-man_2/trailer/images/main_image.jpg

[LegalizeSpiritualDiscovry]

Cynics are nothing if not realists. And yes with great power comes great responsibility.

http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/sony_pictures/spider-man_2/trailer/images/main_image.jpg

Power and responsibility don't exist.

[Psych]

Power and responsibility don't exist.

-_- Shut up.

[LegalizeSpiritualDiscovry]

I'm serious. It's pretty obvious.

[Rolf]

No human being should be able to arbitrarily claim power over another human.

Entire ideology of Anastasia promotes one group of people using power to force their system on other groups of people, notes Rolf.

I'm serious. It's pretty obvious.

Rolf suggests being troll that is some form of funny, for such troll is of far greater worth, proclaims Rolf.

[LegalizeSpiritualDiscovry]

Rolf suggests being troll that is some form of funny, for such troll is of far greater worth, proclaims Rolf.

Explain to me how power objectively exists, let alone responsibility.

You are powerless over anything (since everything is going to happen as it will either way), and you have no need to do anything other than what you decide you want.

[Malice]

"Anarchistic state" is rather self-contradictory to Rolf, as core belief of anarchism is existence of society without state, notes Rolf.

To belief of Rolf however, anarchism is philosophy that looks feasible on paper, but not so much in practice, proclaims Rolf. In stateless society it is only inevitable that warlord or conqueror creates a following and proceeds to form hierarchy and subjugate others through force or threat of it, explains Rolf.

Chaos Theory. A common argument against anarchism.

http://mises.org/books/chaostheory.pdf

Some comments here, if you don't want to devote the time: http://blog.mises.org/6314/chaos-theory-now-online/

[The Pat-Man]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-3.88&soc=-2.97

[Dichromate]

I don't see why people are so skeptical about stateless societies, after all they existed in real life, not just theoretically before the modern state even existed - it's called feudalism guys, get with the times.

[The Pat-Man]

national socialism is what deserves another shot imo.

[L33tz]

That test is complete and total bullshit. I found most of the questions to be stupid, over simplifying an issue, irrelevant, or unable to actually be answered. At least in relation to my political ideology.

Examples:

"There is now a worrying fusion of information and entertainment."

What the fuck does this mean? Seriously that could be taken in many ways. Way to vague.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

Completely circumstantial.

"People are ultimately divided more by class than by nationality."

That would depend on the nation

"The rich are too highly taxed."

That would depend on how you define rich and in what country this is referring to.

"Schools should not make classroom attendance compulsory."

That would depend on the schooling system now wouldn't it. Under pretty much all schooling systems I'd say the answer is no, but that's because we don't really teach kids to think, we teach them to memorize.

"Spanking kids is ok " (E: I copied the same question twice accidently and don't feel like finding the exact wording of the question. It was something about spanking.

That would depend on the circumstances and child in question.

"It's natural for children to keep some secrets from their parents."

This is a stupid question. Totally depends on the culture, the child, and the parents. Generally the answer is yes, but I know some kids/parents who share pretty much everything.

"People with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce."

Circumstantial and vague. I believe disabled people should be allowed to try and have kids, provided they are willing to abort any kids that are proven to be disabled in the womb and try again. This also doesn't incorporate modern science at all.

"When you are troubled, it's better not to think about it, but to keep busy with more cheerful things."

lol what the fuck is this shit.

"First-generation immigrants can never be fully integrated within their new country."

Totally circumstantial and dependent on the individual and cultures involved.

"Our civil liberties are being excessively curbed in the name of counter-terrorism."

Mine aren't. In america I'd say yes though.

"The death penalty should be an option for the most serious crimes."

I'd say yes, but merely for economical reasons. I don't believe the death penalty reduces crime, which I believe is the premise of the question in the sense they ask it.

"It is a waste of time to try to rehabilitate some criminals."

...That would depend on the criminal and your understanding of "rehabilitate". I'm sure the average criminal can be generally educated to function in society. A serial killer probably can't though.

"Mothers may have careers, but their first duty is to be homemakers."

Circumstantial.

"Astrology accurately explains many things."

Yeah I'm pretty sure most religious people acknowledge the legitimacy of astrology. This is pretty irrelevant.

"You cannot be moral without being religious."

Both of those terms are open to interpretation.

"Sex outside marriage is usually immoral."

I don't believe in morals. What option should I choose? And its circumstantial again.

TLDR: Stupid test is stupid

I could answer all of those questions for you based on your own commentary.

Perhaps there should be an IQ limit before you are allowed to take the test?

[Ghost Buster]

I could answer all of those questions for you based on your own commentary.

Perhaps there should be an IQ limit before you are allowed to take the test?

Go ahead and answer them then.

[Rolf]

I don't see why people are so skeptical about stateless societies, after all they existed in real life, not just theoretically before the modern state even existed - it's called feudalism guys, get with the times.

Rolf agrees, agrees Rolf. Feudalism is great system, believes Grand Duke Rolf XXVI, serfs do not agree, but this does not matter, adds Rolf.

national socialism is what deserves another shot imo.

Anything that kicks Poland's ass (i.e. everything) is worth a second consideration, proclaims Rolf.

Go ahead and answer them then.

Does Greek require opinions on said questions due to said Greek being unable to form said Greek's own opinions on said questions? asks Rolf.

Chaos Theory. A common argument against anarchism.

Anarchocapitalism ≠ Anarchism, proclaims Rolf.

Nevertheless, Rolf had a light read over that, did Rolf. Rolf is surprised that anybody would propose a system where defense is relied upon entirely by mercenaries, states Rolf.

[Vox Ducis]

http://i.imgur.com/lHVmw.png

[Dichromate]

Anything that kicks Poland's ass (i.e. everything) is worth a second consideration, proclaims Rolf.

lawl, for some reason I thought of this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMipYIVD0LY

[Yggdrasil]

http://i.imgur.com/lHVmw.png

Marine Le Pen much?

[Cytosine]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-3.12&soc=0.36

At this rate, I'll be a right wing authoritarian by the time I'm 30.

[Rolf]

At this rate, I'll be a right wing authoritarian by the time I'm 30.

Did not know t'was normal evolution for central-leftists to become right-wing authoritarians by maturity, notes Rolf.

[Vox Ducis]

Marine Le Pen much?

http://i.imgur.com/Vw5Hx.jpg

[Yggdrasil]

http://i.imgur.com/Vw5Hx.jpg

Haha. Figures you'll end up voting for Sarkozy though no? Otherwise the election basically gets handed to the Socialists...

[The real slim spud]

Economic Left/Right: -3.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.54

I got the same positioning as Ghandi.

[Vox Ducis]

Haha. Figures you'll end up voting for Sarkozy though no? Otherwise the election basically gets handed to the Socialists...

I'm still undecided. There's still a chance Le Pen can make it to the 2nd round. But in case I have the choice between Hollande and Sarkozy... I'm very likely to cast a blank ballot because there's no difference between these two collaborationists. Sarkozy is a liar and a traitor ; I don't see why I should help him get reelected.

[SIdt]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-1.88&soc=-3.79

[Ghost Buster]

Does Greek require opinions on said questions due to said Greek being unable to form said Greek's own opinions on said questions? asks Rolf.


Does rolf need me to re-explain very simple concepts to him? I guess so.

I already have opinions on all of those issues. They are not yes or no questions, which is the context they are asked in. The questions are very circumstantial in the best of cases meaning the answer could be yes or no, depending on how the question is elaborated on. Leetz disputed that assertion, which is why I told him to answer them. He has yet to answer. Gee I wonder why. If he does answer them, I will make examples to show how his answers are stupid. You may attempt to do the same if you wish.

[The Pat-Man]

Does Greek require opinions on said questions due to said Greek being unable to form said Greek's own opinions on said questions? asks Rolf.





oh thats why this guys such a faggot.

[sepht]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=0.00&soc=-5.90

[sepht]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=0.00&soc=-5.90

http://6dollarshirts.com/submissions/large/1290946959.jpg

[is all mememememe with me]

"When you are troubled, it's better not to think about it, but to keep busy with more cheerful things."

lol what the fuck is this shit.


lol ikr

"fuck, i got no money or income and can't afford to eat. ahh fuck that, there's a rainbow over there, isn't it pretty. lol"

[Lanny]

http://i.imgur.com/3KlNX.png

[The Pat-Man]

its a shame marine le pen wont have a chance, she seems decent as "right wing" goes.

[Tachosomoza]

Decency and right wing is an oxymoron.

[The Pat-Man]

right and left are retarded ideals anyways, they serve to only narrow peoples minds.

[Struwwelpeter]

There is no such thing as a "right-wing" woman. And any political party that nominates a woman cannot be "right-wing."

Right-wing = Mullah Omar's Taliban

Left-wing = USA, AUS, Europe, Africa, Asia, etc.

[DirtySanchez]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=5.62&soc=6.36

[Rolf]

Decency and right wing is an oxymoron.

So is "liberty and left wing", notes Rolf. Also "black and law-abiding" and "communist and hard-working" for that matter, adds Rolf.

[Yggdrasil]

http://i.imgur.com/Vw5Hx.jpg

I'm still undecided. There's still a chance Le Pen can make it to the 2nd round. But in case I have the choice between Hollande and Sarkozy... I'm very likely to cast a blank ballot because there's no difference between these two collaborationists. Sarkozy is a liar and a traitor ; I don't see why I should help him get reelected.

Well, from what I've seen so far, Le Pen did damn nicely, something around 20% to Hollande's 28% and Sarkozy's 27%. She might not make the runoffs, but that's pretty commendable for a non-establishment candidate. Guess at this point a good deal of her voters move over to Sarkozy and he wins reelection, no? Or are French voters more cynical and will just let Hollande win, lol?

[Malice]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=5.88&soc=-6.21

Very flawed test, but I did the best I could.

[Vox Ducis]

Well, from what I've seen so far, Le Pen did damn nicely, something around 20% to Hollande's 28% and Sarkozy's 27%. She might not make the runoffs, but that's pretty commendable for a non-establishment candidate. Guess at this point a good deal of her voters move over to Sarkozy and he wins reelection, no? Or are French voters more cynical and will just let Hollande win, lol?

The results are:

Hollande - 28.6%
Sarkozy - 27.1%
Le Pen - 18%
Mélenchon - 11.1%
Bayrou - 9.1%

The problem for Sarkozy is to convince Le Pen's voters to help him get reelected. And from what we saw yesterday, it will be really hard.

Sarkozy's FM, Alain Juppé, publicly despised the FN and its voters ; he even refused to talk to Le Pen's campaign manager. He did this last night in front of millions of people. It was funny because he was the only one to act like this among Sarkozy's representatives. The others tried their best to avoid arguing with the FN and even added both parties votes to conclude that "45% of the French voted in favor of right-wing parties". These hypocrites don't know what to do to stay in office.

Acording to a poll (and this election proved us once more we shouldn't trust polls), only half of FN voters will support Sarkozy (it was usually around 70%) and 30% will choose Hollande because Sarkozy's defeat could allow a new right-wing party to be built around Le Pen and future ex-UMP sympathizers.

Anyway, Le Pen will tell what she thinks on May 1st.

Hollande should win with 56-60%, except if he loses in the future debate(s) with Sarkozy (I'm sure he will), or if there's a surprising alliance with Bayrou and/or Le Pen.

[Malice]

I really hope Hollande wins, I want to see France crash and burn.

[Tachosomoza]

French Socialists sound shockingly like American Democrats.

[Vox Ducis]

I really hope Hollande wins, I want to see France crash and burn.

He must win the general election in June or his victory will be useless.

If France burns, we'll smell the fragrance of burning sandniggers.

French Socialists sound shockingly like American Democrats.

They're worse.

[Cory]

I really hope Hollande wins, I want to see France crash and burn.

:rolleyes:

[Malice]

Do you think he will improve things?

[yawanur]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-5.00&soc=-5.59

Not sure about some of those questions though....

[Tachosomoza]

I guess I'm the most leftist person here.

[Lanny]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-5.00&soc=-5.59

Not sure about some of those questions though....

http://www.jonco48.com/blog/high_five.jpg

I guess I'm the most leftist person here.

You needed an online quiz to tell you that?

[Tachosomoza]

No. I thought there would be a lot more though.

[Malice]

The conservative cavalry on this site has been instrumental in moving people away from leftism.

[Tachosomoza]

Yeah. Posting copypasta from Mises.org and YouTube videos is surprisingly effective. :o

[Rolf]

Malice and Anastasia, evidence that both right and left ideologies are stupid, proclaims Rolf.

[Cory]

Do you think he will improve things?

Maybe, maybe not. I was just reflecting on your typical knee-jerk reaction to anything seen as left-of-center. It's like you're so far out in your own world that you've utterly lost any sense of objectivity.

[Malice]

Malice and Anastasia, evidence that both right and left ideologies are stupid, proclaims Rolf.

Know what a moderate is? A moderate is someone who lacks the intelligence and balls to form concrete beliefs and stick to them. Moderation is for the weak.

Yeah. Posting copypasta from Mises.org and YouTube videos is surprisingly effective. :o

Amazingly I never see you leftists post anything to support your claims. Reason being: You don't have any, you're driven almost purely by childish idealism and fallacious arguments.

What's the left wing equivalent of mises.org? You don't have any. What, Revolutionary Left? Democratic Underground? You know those sites aren't anywhere near mises. Go there right now, go to the forums of each of them, and tell me if the discussions are anywhere near the same level. There's a reason for that.

And Lanny, you're really one to thank that post. You don't know shit. I've never seen you post a good argument to support your alleged left wing idealism.

[Tachosomoza]

You should join RevLeft, malice. The forum for restricted people is boring.

[LegalizeSpiritualDiscovry]

http://www.punkerslut.com/pictures/abolish_capitalism.jpg

http://anarchyfiles.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/anarchy-no-government-like-no-government.png

:cool:

[Tachosomoza]

Humanity can't handle a direct transition into a stateless society. It will be utter fucking chaos. We're working on it though. :thumbsup:

[STD]

i ejaculated:
http://i.imgur.com/0fQsJ.png

[Lanny]

Know what a moderate is? A moderate is someone who lacks the intelligence and balls to form concrete beliefs and stick to them. Moderation is for the weak.



Amazingly I never see you leftists post anything to support your claims. Reason being: You don't have any, you're driven almost purely by childish idealism and fallacious arguments.

What's the left wing equivalent of mises.org? You don't have any. What, Revolutionary Left? Democratic Underground? You know those sights aren't anywhere near mises. Go there right now, go to the forums of each of them, and tell me if the discussions are anywhere near the same level. There's a reason for that.

And Lanny, you're really one to thank that post. You don't know shit. I've never seen you post a good argument to support your alleged left wing idealism.

Lol, it's funny how out of touch you are with reality.

[Malice]

Why don't you go into a little more detail?

[Tachosomoza]

There's a first for everything. A Vienna sausage dicked, mestizo, SSI collecting Anarcho-Capitalist.

[Malice]

Lol, it's funny how out of touch you are with reality.

Oh, and tell us how an aristocracy would be the best form of government, even though you don't know exactly what policies would be implemented, but I'm sure you trust your brilliant college professors to make the bets decisions.

Foreign policy? I don't know. Economics? Don't know much about that either, truth told. Welfare? Don't really know the best way to implement that, do only the very disabled really need it? What causes unemployment? Why do wages rise? What has caused the gap in wealth? I'm sure you'll only rely on simplistic and fallacious left wing arguments. I could go to a site like The Huffington Post or Thinkprogress and many of your views would likely be a mirror image of them, except much more poorly worded.