What will happen after the Muslims conquer the western world?

[Cult Leader]

After watching this:

6-3X5hIFXYU

It seems likely that within approximetaly 100 years the entire western civilization will be dominated by Muslims. Because Muslims are generally unwilling to adopt the cultures of their host nations it's quite possible that due to their majority status their host nations will be made to bend to their wills. To become Islamic Republics.

The Islamification of the Western World would be it's downfall. Like a repeat of the dark ages of old, when barbarians brought Rome to it's knees and a much more primitive society emerged.

I would guess that China would likely become the most dominant and advanced civilization.

I'd like to hear your opinions on this scenario and how you think the world will react.

[negz]

lolk

[Yggdrasil]

Stupid fucking idiot. The Muslims did conquer (most of) the Western world, 1000 years ago, and in that time they had one of the most advanced and vibrant civilisations on the face of the earth. The Islamic golden age, a time when the Arab caliphates made giant leaps in culture, science, architecture, and many other fields. After this age, European civilisation was again assaulted by the forces of the Muslim world, by the Ottoman Empire.

JqFNIdxHYYY -These silly-looking and sounding fuckers almost conquered the entirety of the European continent. Many of the hallmarks of Western civilisation were adopted directly from the Ottomans and the Arabs.

[Cult Leader]

I fail to see how conquering Spain is "most of the western world".

[Yggdrasil]

I fail to see how conquering Spain is "most of the western world".

http://www.allaboutturkey.com/img/ottoman-empire-1580.gif
Twice in history did it take the entire Western world to turn back the tide of Muslim power.

[Cult Leader]

http://www.allaboutturkey.com/img/ottoman-empire-1580.gif
Twice in history did it take the entire Western world to turn back the tide of Muslim power.

Sorry I guess you are retarded, or are merely wrong and unwilling to admit it..

[Yggdrasil]

Sorry I guess you are retarded, or are merely wrong and unwilling to admit it..

It took the entirety of the Holy League, including the Polish kingdom and the Baltic nations, the Slavs and the Holy Roman Empire/German states to turn back the Ottoman army at the gates of Vienna. Had they failed to turn them back, Europe would have been theirs. Many Turkish cultural and military innovations were eventually adopted by the West, just as the West adopted many other Arab innovations.

The world would seem gloomy under Islam, but consider that in the time when Islamic civilisation reigned supreme, it spurred a blooming of culture and technology.

BTW, that movie = scare tactics

[Snoopy]

Perhaps we should all move to the middle east and make a lot of babies. :confused:

[Zay]

It took the entirety of the Holy League, including the Polish kingdom and the Baltic nations, the Slavs and the Holy Roman Empire/German states to turn back the Ottoman army at the gates of Vienna. Had they failed to turn them back, Europe would have been theirs. Many Turkish cultural and military innovations were eventually adopted by the West, just as the West adopted many other Arab innovations.

The world would seem gloomy under Islam, but consider that in the time when Islamic civilisation reigned supreme, it spurred a blooming of culture and technology.

BTW, that movie = scare tactics

Muslims suck hairy nuts.

[Cult Leader]

It took the entirety of the Holy League, including the Polish kingdom and the Baltic nations, the Slavs and the Holy Roman Empire/German states to turn back the Ottoman army at the gates of Vienna. Had they failed to turn them back, Europe would have been theirs. Many Turkish cultural and military innovations were eventually adopted by the West, just as the West adopted many other Arab innovations.

The world would seem gloomy under Islam, but consider that in the time when Islamic civilisation reigned supreme, it spurred a blooming of culture and technology.

Yeah, history cannot be denied.

However, I really cannot see a positive outcome for society in the case of Western nations becoming Muslim-Majority.

[Agent 008]

Nobody cares.

I don't care for Christians or Muslims. Every religious nutter is the same to me.

Speaking of which, not every muslim is a raghead nutter.

So stfu.

[Cult Leader]

Muslims suck hairy nuts.

I wonder how the Jews feel about this? I mean with all their power and influence have they not come up with some kind of scheme to stop this from occurring?

[Snoopy]

I wonder how the Jews feel about this? I mean with all their power and influence have they not come up with some kind of scheme to stop this from occurring?

This is their scheme.

[seafoo]

BTW, that movie = scare tactics

I actually crapped myslef :eek:

[Cult Leader]

This is their scheme.

Interesting...

[Yggdrasil]

Don't get me wrong, I abhor all types of religiosity, I'm just saying that Islamic civilisation is not as completely backwards as some may be inclined to think. This video uses faulty logic and fact (e.x. "23 million Russians are Muslim, 1 out of 5" :facepalm:). Also, I do think a good amount of Muslim immigrants into Europe will assimilate. Those that don't really need to cut it the fuck out. I am angered by these ridiculous events happening in Europe (You can't sing the Swedihs anthem in a school because a foreigner can sue, can't draw certain cartoons). These Muslim immigrants need to (and I think many will) realize that to live in the Western world they need to conform to its values.

Also, the Jews are way ahead of us. They have genetically engineered a population of Icelandic penguins to build a rocket ship, upon which all pureblood Ashkenazim will board when shit hits the fan in the year 2030. From there, they will set up a Jewish utopia on the Jovian moon Ganymede.

EDIT: Zay, I will circumcise myself and suck dick for a boarding pass.

[Vizier]

I won't care cause I'll be dead :thumbsup:

[T.K. Baha]

They can't even manage the 3rd world shit holes they call home so how the hell are they gonna take over the civilized world? Ride a camel across that ocean?

[Zay]

This is their scheme.

No scheme. I just think the west severely underestimates how long acculturation takes. Jews are just awesomely competent, so they assume others will be at their level. For every family that overcomes all obstacles, works hard, and assimilates, there's many more that get stuck along the way. There's just so many variables like drug abuse, dysfunctional families, child abuse, depression, violence, pressure to assimilate, propaganda urging you to hold on to some bullshit "identity" of a place you weren't born in, how the locals view you, what opportunities you find vs. what comes your way, guilt to help out family back home which is practically a second tax(oh noes, gotta send back 15% monthly to sustain grandma and her circle of moochers). Personally, I think the west should remain a prize, a carrot dangling on a stick. Not a commodity, no welcoming parties, no social experimentation by sheltered politicians that think they can engineer culture with blueprints.

[Snoopy]

No scheme. I just think the west severely underestimates how long acculturation takes. Jews are just awesomely competent, so they assume others will be at their level. For every family that overcomes all obstacles, works hard, and assimilates, there's many more that get stuck along the way. There's just so many variables like drug abuse, dysfunctional families, child abuse, depression, violence, pressure to assimilate, propaganda urging you to hold on to some bullshit "identity" of a place you weren't born in, how the locals view you, what opportunities you find vs. what comes your way, guilt to help out family back home which is practically a second tax(oh noes, gotta send back 15% monthly to sustain grandma and her circle of moochers). Personally, I think the west should remain a prize, a carrot dangling on a stick. Not a commodity, no welcoming parties, no social experimentation by sheltered politicians that think they can engineer culture with blueprints.

Hold on dude, you're going too far with this discussion. This is a troll thread here. Let's just keep it at racial slurs and other shit. No need to be getting deep. We'll do that in some other thread some other time.

[Morb]

BTW, that movie = scare tactics

Well, once the Muslims take over, anything like that will be banned.

[Yggdrasil]

You know, it's amazing how well Jews have maintained their culture after 2000 of persecution, social exclusion, separation and outright extermination. I don't think that same solidarity can be found among many other ethnic groups. Most immigrants do tend to assimilate rather quickly.

Two great-great grandfathers on both sides of my family were exceptionally brilliant, cunning men from Europe and the Levant, yet none of them maintained their culture for long. The great-great grandparent on my father's side of the family was a Lebanese immigrant who made himself a millionaire after just 20 years in Colombia, yet even his son only spoke bits of Arabic (though they maintained themselves keen on French). On my mother's side, there was a French immigrant who made himself into a wealthy industrialist. He married into the high class of Colombian society, and not even his children carried his culture.

Case in point: most immigrants don't maintain their roots for long.

[Yggdrasil]

Well, once the Muslims take over, anything like that will be banned.

Fundamentalist Islam is the result of a perceived cornering from the Western world. At times in which Islamic civilisation reigned supreme, it was actually quite liberal and open.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/Youth_and_suitors.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/Shah_Abbas_and_Wine_Boy.jpg

What you see in these images are depictions of open homosexuality in the Islamic world.

[Cult Leader]

Fundamentalist Islam is the result of a perceived cornering from the Western world. At times in which Islamic civilisation reigned supreme, it was actually quite liberal and open.


Yeah I suppose once the Muslims gain complete control they may turn benevolent...

[Morb]

Fundamentalist Islam is the result of a perceived cornering from the Western world. At times in which Islamic civilisation reigned supreme, it was actually quite liberal and open.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/Youth_and_suitors.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/Shah_Abbas_and_Wine_Boy.jpg

What you see in these images are depictions of open homosexuality in the Islamic world.

I know things were quite different a thousand years ago (I'd be interested to know how Muslims interpretted the Koran back then, because something sure seems to have changed). If there was a real effort by a majority of Muslims to try and put a more positive and constructive face on Islam, maybe things would be different.

One thing I've noticed is that no matter how many centuries back you go, nothing ever seems to be the fault of Muslims. Someone or something else always seems to be the cause of their ills. It'll be interesting to see what happens as millions of these angry, bitter, intolerant people gain more and more influence. Somehow I doubt Islam is going to improve its image any time soon (most Muslims don't seem to think anything should change, they're blameless, after all).

[Yggdrasil]

Yeah I suppose once the Muslims gain complete control they may turn benevolent...

Well, the current situation of Islamic extremism is the fault of both parties here (Islam and the West). The West's politics in the region have long fermented a deep-seated resentment of our culture, and in retaliation they have turned violent, hostile, and backwards to achieve their goals (to get the West the fuck out of their affairs). Obviously, this approach is only tarnishing their goal.

[Slave of the Beast]

Stupid fucking idiot. The Muslims did conquer (most of) the Western world, 1000 years ago, and in that time they had one of the most advanced and vibrant civilisations on the face of the earth.

Welcome to the future; Muslim culture isn't worth shit anymore.

[nutsack]

Case in point: most immigrants don't maintain their roots for long.

Because a lot of immigrants have moved by choice to start a new life

[Morb]

Well, the current situation of Islamic extremism is the fault of both parties here (Islam and the West). The West's politics in the region have long fermented a deep-seated resentment of our culture, and in retaliation they have turned violent, hostile, and backwards to achieve their goals (to get the West the fuck out of their affairs). Obviously, this approach is only tarnishing their goal.

I agree, except I don't think the majority of the Muslim world is content with being left alone. They want to take over the world. I don't think Islam is about a bunch of Muslims being left alone in the Middle East, it's about achieving world wide domination by any means (force seems to be preferable, but now it's a numbers game since military force won't work). Whatever it may have been about at another time (and again, I can't imagine how anyone could get something else out of the Koran), Islam is not about anything else significant now.

Those Muslims who think different, who want peace, who want civilization and acceptance among cultures and religions... the dirty secret I think is that they are the extremists.

[Yggdrasil]

I agree, except I don't think the majority of the Muslim world is content with being left alone. They want to take over the world. I don't think Islam is about a bunch of Muslims being left alone in the Middle East, it's about achieving world wide domination by any means (force seems to be preferable, but now it's a numbers game since military force won't work). Whatever it may have been about at another time (and again, I can't imagine how anyone could get something else out of the Koran), Islam is not about anything else significant now.

Those Muslims who think different, who want peace, who want civilization and acceptance among cultures and religions... the dirty secret I think is that they are the extremists.

Again, though I dislike religiosity and fanaticism in general, Islam has shown throughout history a consistent pattern. Either through the source or cultural weight, an Islamic society expands until it is contently large for itself. At that zenith, Islamic civilisations time and time again enter a golden age marked by an increase in liberalism, technological development, and cultural advancement. Among these societies have been the Umayyad Caliphate, the Mughal Empire (which built the Taj Mahal), and the Ottoman Empire.

[aussiedude]

hey if theres more kebab shops than maccas i'm happy for it to happen, oh and considering that nations such as turkey (muslim majority but it doesn't really determine politics or such) exist i don't really care who becomes the majority

and another thing, considering what america seems to be like, well i can't say that it would be detrimental for some western countries

[Morb]

Again, though I dislike religiosity and fanaticism in general, Islam has shown throughout history a consistent pattern. Either through the source or cultural weight, an Islamic society expands until it is contently large for itself. At that zenith, Islamic civilisations time and time again enter a golden age marked by an increase in liberalism, technological development, and cultural advancement. Among these societies have been the Umayyad Caliphate, the Mughal Empire (which built the Taj Mahal), and the Ottoman Empire.

Well, I'm not enough of a history buff to know if there were times when Islam could have spread its influence easily across more lands, but did not because it was contently large for itself. If you're right, something has changed. Europe is becoming more Muslim by the day, and it's not by accident. There is a purposeful effort underway to destroy Europe as it has been known (its entire culture) and to replace it with something most Muslims view as more glorious to Allah.

That's a real problem for the whole world, and while it's nice to acknowledge the reasons why Islam and its history and cultures and peoples can be proud, it doesn't do much to address the present.

[DJ Meaty Cheeks]

At least there'd be less christfags.

[Revvy]

http://www.allaboutturkey.com/img/ottoman-empire-1580.gif
Twice in history did it take the entire Western world to turn back the tide of Muslim power.

Fuck me, they nearly conquered the whole of Asia and Africa too.

[Yggdrasil]

Fuck me, they nearly conquered the whole of Asia and Africa too.

Well, at least they got the good part of Africa..

[nutsack]

Fuck me, they nearly conquered the whole of Asia and Africa too.

I've seen better.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/The_British_Empire.png

[Cult Leader]

I've seen better.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/The_British_Empire.png

Holy Shit, British pwned. But the Muslim strategy for colonialism is much more cunning and effective. Passively, gain entrance to the country and then breed like crazy until your people greatly outnumber the natives, then use "democracy" to your advantage.

[Snoopy]

Holy Shit, British pwned. But the Muslim strategy for colonialism is much more cunning and effective. Passively, gain entrance to the country and then breed like crazy until your people greatly outnumber the natives, then use "democracy" to your advantage.

It's not really all that cunning. The muslims who aren't complete retards and have actually settled in the West are getting mighty annoyed by their less advanced "brethren".

What I notice a lot is the "black cop" syndrome. 3rd generation muslim immigrants who are in positions of power are abusing that power against their "own people" out of frustration and annoyance. They get annoyed by the trashiness of their fellow muslims. The crime, the fucking dealers, the racist bullshit they're constantly trying to pull, etc.

Hell, I know a plenty of ismalic immigrants who even vote right.

[nutsack]

But the Muslim strategy for colonialism is much more cunning and effective. Passively, gain entrance to the country and then breed like crazy until your people greatly outnumber the natives, then use "democracy" to your advantage.

Why must everyone be the enemy? I seriously doubt there is any organized effort to this effect. If anything it's people thinking this way that will start the trouble. Paranoid people. I suppose this is what the chinese are doing as well? I'd say it's more likely that people are leaving their shitholes to come to the good countrys simply because it's better for them and their family.

Why can't a multicultural place just stay that way in reasonable peace? Given enough time mixed race people would probably be the most common, and they wouldn't give a shit what their great great great great grandfather thought about issues of race. The people who try to stay "pure" to a irrelevant local genetic make up will end up being in-bred and wiping themselves out, instead of contributing to mankind as a race.

[sdmf_from_hell]

Well i suppose that the major purposes of the Muslim religion at hand is to conquer influence all over the world.

It's like a really long living Hitler... with bombs strapped his chest.

Which is exactly what the Christians were doing 1000 years ago.

I like to think that humanity has evolved to a point where when this does happen, they will realise we don't need religion (or at least a large scale organised one).

Plus muslim leaders aren't doing justice to their faith. They're like really bad shock jocks who say something completely outlandish for some controversy to show the world that they're still here.. Only they have an 'official' belief or faith to hide behind and would be 'wrong' to vilify them due to this.

It's pathetic.

[nutsack]

That's funny, I think I've seen a lot of Christian missionaries in much more recent times then 1000 years ago. I have never seen a missionary of Islam out preaching on the street or in a developing country to the extent that the Christians do. Also, religious influence does not equal conquering a country in this day and age, because we have advanced enough that MOST of us can accept different religions within a community, and separate religion from state.

[sdmf_from_hell]

Just try and tell them that.

:p

[Yggdrasil]

That's funny, I think I've seen a lot of Christian missionaries in much more recent times then 1000 years ago. I have never seen a missionary of Islam out preaching on the street or in a developing country to the extent that the Christians do. Also, religious influence does not equal conquering a country in this day and age, because we have advanced enough that MOST of us can accept different religions within a community, and separate religion from state.

Yep. Even in mostly Muslim countries you see a secular form of government develop, such as in Turkey or Lebanon.

[nutsack]

Just try and tell them that.

:p

I agree, long term goal is changing the "religious empire" attitude of some members of the old religions.

[Dark Destroyer]

After watching this:

6-3X5hIFXYU

It seems likely that within approximetaly 100 years the entire western civilization will be dominated by Muslims. Because Muslims are generally unwilling to adopt the cultures of their host nations it's quite possible that due to their majority status their host nations will be made to bend to their wills. To become Islamic Republics.

The Islamification of the Western World would be it's downfall. Like a repeat of the dark ages of old, when barbarians brought Rome to it's knees and a much more primitive society emerged.

I would guess that China would likely become the most dominant and advanced civilization.

I'd like to hear your opinions on this scenario and how you think the world will react.

*Cough*Fucking Moron*Cough*

[Cult Leader]

Why must everyone be the enemy? I seriously doubt there is any organized effort to this effect. If anything it's people thinking this way that will start the trouble. Paranoid people. I suppose this is what the chinese are doing as well? I'd say it's more likely that people are leaving their shitholes to come to the good countrys simply because it's better for them and their family.

Why can't a multicultural place just stay that way in reasonable peace? Given enough time mixed race people would probably be the most common, and they wouldn't give a shit what their great great great great grandfather thought about issues of race. The people who try to stay "pure" to a irrelevant local genetic make up will end up being in-bred and wiping themselves out, instead of contributing to mankind as a race.

Yeah your probably right. I suppose it was just a flare up of my shallow racism and xenophobia... I donno... I really hope the fucking muslims advance in their thinking. It fucking pisses me off that they will come to our countries and will happily be protected by all of our secular laws and such that promote equality, but will see no hypocrisy as they carry on with their native barbaric beliefs.

[Dog]

Stupid fucking idiot. The Muslims did conquer (most of) the Western world, 1000 years ago, and in that time they had one of the most advanced and vibrant civilisations on the face of the earth. The Islamic golden age, a time when the Arab caliphates made giant leaps in culture, science, architecture, and many other fields. After this age, European civilisation was again assaulted by the forces of the Muslim world, by the Ottoman Empire.

JqFNIdxHYYY -These silly-looking and sounding fuckers almost conquered the entirety of the European continent. Many of the hallmarks of Western civilisation were adopted directly from the Ottomans and the Arabs.

And yet, Muslims are among the most backward people on Earth nowadays, for whatever reason.

You don't want to live in a Muslim-dominated world; trust me.

[Yggdrasil]

And yet, Muslims are among the most backward people on Earth nowadays, for whatever reason.

Gross generalisation is gross. Much of the Arab world is moving forward into a more modern society, a fact which is a source of pride for many young, moderate-minded Arabs. Countries like Iran are entering a time of unprecedented social and political freedom, while countries like Turkey and Lebanon have democratic, secular governments and more or less socially tolerant sentiments. As with all stereotypes, it's the inflammatory ones that taint the rest, us both as minorities should know that perfectly well.

[Dog]

Gross generalisation is gross. Much of the Arab world is moving forward into a more modern society, a fact which is a source of pride for many young, moderate-minded Arabs. Countries like Iran are entering a time of unprecedented social and political freedom, while countries like Turkey and Lebanon have democratic, secular governments and more or less socially tolerant sentiments. As with all stereotypes, it's the inflammatory ones that taint the rest, us both as minorities should know that perfectly well.

I don't stereotype Muslims. I know that most aren't bad people, but the religion itself is a barbaric, oppressive, backwards piece of shit...moreso than perhaps any other.

I'm fine with them as long as they don't follow through with their scriptural teachings to dominate the world, but I don't want them (or any religion, to be frnak) crossing that line.

[Yggdrasil]

I don't stereotype Muslims. I know that most aren't bad people, but the religion itself is a barbaric, oppressive, backwards piece of shit...moreso than perhaps any other.

I'm fine with them as long as they don't follow through with their scriptural teachings to dominate the world, but I don't want them (or any religion, to be frnak) crossing that line.

Well, consider that when Muslims did dominate (most of) the world, theirs was a socially liberal, advanced, and cultured civilisation. This fundamentalism was not present in their advanced societies, nor will it be present in future societies. The backwards, violent and inflammatory fundamentalism we see today isn't so much as it is a religious awakening as it is the most effective way of combating Western influence. Many Muslims are moderate, and seek for the development of their homelands and better relations with the West. The violent extremism targeted at us is more or less our fault.

[Dog]

The violent extremism targeted at us is more or less our fault.

Yeah. I guess we shouldn't have been...you know, enjoying freedom and stuff. :)

[Yggdrasil]

Yeah. I guess we shouldn't have been...you know, enjoying freedom and stuff. :)

Oh please, don't be a cute shit. I would think someone of your intellect would look past "They hate uzz cuz of our libertyz n' shit". They hate us because of decades of interventionism in their affairs.

[Dog]

Oh please, don't be a cute shit. I would think someone of your intellect would look past "They hate uzz cuz of our libertyz n' shit". They hate us because of decades of interventionism in their affairs.

I'm pretty sure they were terrorizing people and violating human rights well before Western countries started giving a shit about them.

[nutsack]

I'm pretty sure they were terrorizing people and violating human rights well before Western countries started giving a shit about them.

Didn't you just claim you don't stereotype Muslims?

[Zay]

countries like Turkey and Lebanon have democratic, secular governments

Two of the hottest girls I've ever met were lebanese christians.

[Aperson444]

Two of the hottest girls I've ever met were lebanese christians.

They were probably guys (sex change). Any Arab Christian is dead ugly or a rape victim.

You're all fucking retards. Without the Muslims, this computer wouldn't exist. Without the Muslims, your ass wouldn't be sitting on that chair.

The Jews and actual religious Christians have done nothing but bitch about what's ethic (or hoarding money). Hell, if we left the Jews in the concentration camps or decimated Israel, 80% of the money in the world would finally be put to use. If we got rid of the retarded Christians, the Crusades would never have happened, fascism would never have risen, hell the world would be a better place. I like moderate Christian these days, or almost secular ones. I hate Arab Christians. All they do is whine all day that they are so oppressed.

Seriously. look at UAE or Qatar. Those are Islamic Emirates. Saudi Arabia. Some of the Richest countries in Asia. Kuwait. Curiously enough, those countries have no major Jewish or Christian minorities, nor do they have a fully presidential system.

That video is a failure, as it skews facts and exaggerates them. It's a scare video by Nationalists (I think it was the BNP, but I'm not sure).

[skyclaw441]

ITT: Stupid people scared of a Judeo-Christian religion.

If you don't want to be Muslim, then DON'T. It's that simple.

[Raziel]

http://www.allaboutturkey.com/img/ottoman-empire-1580.gif
Twice in history did it take the entire Western world to turn back the tide of Muslim power.

Thats not western europe.

[Raziel]

Wilders will help.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geert_Wilders

[Slave of the Beast]

Countries like Iran are entering a time of unprecedented social and political freedom, while countries like Turkey and Lebanon have democratic, secular governments and more or less socially tolerant sentiments.

Iran... progressive... hahahaa! You know what they do to fags in Iran, don't you? Chop chop, snip snip, a slice here n' a slice there... hey presto, that tranny-fanny is lookin' mighty fine!

[Daily]

It's fucked up how so many people are so fucking retarded.

[-Fuck-]

If anyone comes after me with a knife yelling Allah Akbar, All I know is A MOTHAFUCKA'S GETTIN PEPPA SPRAIT.

[Name's Taken]

Countries like Iran are entering a time of unprecedented social and political freedom.

Must be why they can't even hold elections without them kicking up a shitstorm about vote fixing.

[Revvy]

Must be why they can't even hold elections without them kicking up a shitstorm about vote fixing.

Bush, Florida, etc.

[Yggdrasil]

Two of the hottest girls I've ever met were lebanese christians.

Cool. My Lebanese ancestors were Maronite Christians.

Must be why they can't even hold elections without them kicking up a shitstorm about vote fixing.

They're kicking up a shitstorm because the vote is fixed. I don't think this country would have taken it well if that dirty slut Palin and that dinosaur McCain had won by a 70%, now would it?

I like moderate Christian these days, or almost secular ones. I hate Arab Christians. All they do is whine all day that they are so oppressed

If only we'd all look past our thick skulls and abandon organized religion altogether *sigh*

Thats not western europe.

It took the combined armies and navies of most of Europe to stop the Ottomans. They got as far as Vienna, and would have ultimately pushed their way through the continent had they not been stopped there and then.

[Yggdrasil]

Also, aren't they just adoooorable?
MT9ZNJ2YS64

[Slave of the Beast]

Also, aren't they just adoooorable?


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/05/22/article-0-0137801F00000578-702_468x443.jpg

Indeed.

[Snoopy]

Hatt baby hatt baaaaaby!!

[Clayman]

It took the entirety of the Holy League, including the Polish kingdom and the Baltic nations, the Slavs and the Holy Roman Empire/German states to turn back the Ottoman army at the gates of Vienna. Had they failed to turn them back, Europe would have been theirs. Many Turkish cultural and military innovations were eventually adopted by the West, just as the West adopted many other Arab innovations.

The world would seem gloomy under Islam, but consider that in the time when Islamic civilisation reigned supreme, it spurred a blooming of culture and technology.

BTW, that movie = scare tactics

True.

However, it was also true that the Third Reich held various technological advances over the Allies during the Second World War, this wasn't due to having a superior/better ideology though.

In the modern western world separation of clergy and state has been adopted and it could be considered an advancement which the Arabs have not attained yet.

The world under singular control of any Religion and/or Government is a bad thing in my book.