Would you prefer a dream world rather than this world?

[Xlite]

On one hand we have... Lets say for a moment that this is infact the "real" world. Its the world we live in, the world we perceive as real, and this is the world we will be stuck in, untill we die.

And then on the other hand we have our dreams.

Our dreams is a mixture of real life experience, our dream can create consciousness in characters that we perceive as real, unless ofcourse we're aware of the fact, that we're actually dreaming.

However, if we are unaware, then our dreams could in theory replace this reality as we know it. And then be purely based on our own minds capacity.

I belive that i, and most other people in the world have enough knowlegde in our heads, to actually create our own world. We know how some people work, we know the most basic laws of physics, we know the names of some animals, we know how buildings look, we know love, and we know the world etc. What more do we, as an individual need?

What if we could one day be plugged into a machine, completly unaware of the fact that we're living in a dream, controlled by our own consciousness.
And even if we later became aware, wouldn't you still rather want to live in a world where your awareness have a certan amount of control, and the rest was controlled by your subconscious?

This idea first came to me in Vanilla sky. And then later in Fallout 3, where some random dude actually manages plug himself into a dream machine, and then create his own world.

Maybe its just me, but i'd take my dream world any day.

[driveby]

I hate every aspect of this world.

[Cult Leader]

If I had a choice I would always take the real world. Unless the world was a complete fucking wasteland like in Matrix and there was no Zion with humans, then I may live in the Matrix but I would request to have my memory erased and formatted with some sick knowledge, like virtuoso guitar skills.

[Stoned Crow]

I'd keep switching between worlds, like one day in one world, other in the next.

[Xlite]

If I had a choice I would always take the real world.

Yes, but the question is a tricky one, because you don't know whats real and whats not, you think you know. And thats two different things.

You don't know if the dream you're having is a dream untill you wake up, or if its a lucid dream. Your mind can create everything you know from the "real" world, which makes it extremely hard to see the difference.

[Cult Leader]

Yes, but the question is a tricky one, because you don't know whats real and whats not, you think you know. And thats two different things.

You don't know if the dream you're having is a dream untill you wake up, or if its a lucid dream. Your mind can create everything you know from the "real" world, which makes it extremely hard to see the difference.

Then I would choose whatever one I believed at the time to have been "real".

I would never choose to knowingly spend the rest of my life in a dream, even if within said dream I thought I was awake.

[Treefingers.s]

Then I would choose whatever one I believed at the time to have been "real".

I would never choose to knowingly spend the rest of my life in a dream, even if within said dream I thought I was awake.

I don't know if you're stupid or not but, this is about choosing which world you want to make into your OWN reality, not everyone ELSE's reality. Dumbasssss, :cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool: . . .

[Rainycity]

in a dream i cant die

[Xlite]

in a dream i cant die

Thats right.

[Township Rebellion]

I chose reality because life is interesting and random enough. Though personally I'd like both; sometimes it would be nice to escape, to leave humanity and its flaws. To leave my life and its flaws. But, a dream world for me would be the real world, with either more bizarre circumstances, or what I would consider a more favourable world.

I find fantasy gets me nowhere. I'm at the point where I prefer trying to make something of reality and my existence in it, rather than simply try and pretend it's better than it is.

[Anal Assassin]

wouldn't it just be an alternate reality?

[Young Meth]

Who the hell is picking reality? It's fucking boring most of the time

[nutsack]

What's the difference?

[Xlite]

wouldn't it just be an alternate reality?

Alternate reality that you could control, unlike this reality.


Who the hell is picking reality? It's fucking boring most of the time

Yes, it seems that some people are quite happy with thier current lives.

What's the difference?

Simple. A dream world is based on your views on the world, while "reality" is based on, well.. Reality. Added ::: It would never be the same world, because the human mind is limited.

Your awareness can control parts of your dream, while your subconscious makes sure that unexpected, or random events will occur.

Sure, you might end up with a nightmare, but you can't die in a dream, so no worries there. And with some degree of control, you could easely turn the nightmare into hardcore porn if thats what you wanted.

[nutsack]

But aren't they both just created by your brain in response to stimuli? Reality is based on your view of the world too.

[Valheru]

What's the difference?

This.

A subjective reality is exactly that - subjective.

[Xlite]

But aren't they both just created by your brain in response to stimuli? Reality is based on your view of the world too.

Correct yes, but most people share that view.

Your dream world is, like i said earlier, a mixture of real life experience. Its based purely on your view.
Its more or less the same visual world, but since you don't have unlimited memory at your disposal irl, you will be unable to create the exact copy of this reality. Knowlegde is nothing without memory.

[Retard Synrdome]

If I have nothing left to lose, then dream world.

[Resign the King]

This idea first came to me in Vanilla sky. And then later in Fallout 3, where some random dude actually manages plug himself into a dream machine, and then create his own world.


Worked pretty well for him until I launched the the chinese invasion program, after that it was hell.

If you had to choose between one and the other and you couldn't go back, if you chose the dream world, and then became lucid, it would suck. Considering you would be permanently dreaming you would be bound to have a lucid dream sooner or later, then you would be stuck in a dream world.

[nutsack]

Correct yes, but most people share that view.

Your dream world is, like i said earlier, a mixture of real life experience. Its based purely on your view.
Its more or less the same visual world, but since you don't have unlimited memory at your disposal irl, you will be unable to create the exact copy of this reality. Knowlegde is nothing without memory.

Then is the dream world just a tiny part of reality and not a separate reality?

[Caramello Koala]

Who's to say we aren't already living in a dream world.

[nshanin]

Seriously, what's about reality is so superior to fantasy that one would choose it? Lucid dreaming forever would be fantastic; there are no immortals in "reality".

[Agent 008]

Is this a dream of a dream of a dream?

[nutsack]

Is this a dream of a dream of a dream?

Yup

[Agent 008]

But really, I would prefer a cyberpunk-like virtual reality.

It is actually a good question, though.

See, many would agree that the best part of their lives are their childhood years.

Why? It's not just because you didn't have to work and didn't have any responsibilities. One could achieve that in adult life as well, but it's not the same.

The reason is, as a kid, you don't know reality yet. And even that bit of reality that you know, you throw it away and play in a fantasy world. I bet most of you remember picking up a stick, imagining it was a sword and going around slaying "zombies" or whatever it may be.

When you realize, that no matter what you do in life, you are basically nature's guinea pig, a selection experiment, programmed to do whatever it takes to mate with the best partner you can? Bollocks to that. That's why religions are there - yes, they fool people, but people want to be fooled, since reality is not exactly attractive.


What most of us lack is some action. Most of us want to be "the" person, but all we end up is being one of the many, which we loathe and try to avoid. A lot of us want a challenge, a challenge that matters. Probably that's why Ian Fleming would miss WWII when it was over, even though war is horrible? Saying how it required him to concentrate his wits, all of his abilities, to work for something that he knew for once was right and really mattered.


Anyway. I'm reasonably happy with reality. I feel like I can do anything and shape my life to be anything I want it to be; my main problem with real life is the overwhelming majority of the people, who are... barely human?

[unstableasatable]

have you been watching the matrix?

[Xlite]

Then is the dream world just a tiny part of reality and not a separate reality?

It would seem that way yes.

Everything you encounter in your dreams will be limited to what you know from real life. You can't start making a nuke or anything like that unless you know how to do it irl. Ofcourse you could always summon a working nuke because its your dream hehe.

We would encounter difficulties with this dream machine though.
We can't read in dreams, and what we can read, will change the second time we read it.

My biggest concern would be to become aware "lucid" in the dream.
While your subconscious would still play the dream world with random events, you might end up getting bored sooner or later. Sure you can fly and stuff, but if you know its not real, how do you react to it?

have you been watching the matrix?

A few times yes, not recently though.

I don't like the idea that machines are using us as batteries.

[nshanin]

but if you know its not real, how do you react to it?

The same way you react to movies or an FPS or any sort of virtual reality experience. It's hard to explain to somebody who actually believes in reality. What makes the fact that this reality is supposedly "real" any superior to any other world? 80 years from now we're all dead anyway and the question won't be relevant.

[Xlite]

The same way you react to movies or an FPS or any sort of virtual reality experience.

Nahh, you can't really compare that to a dream, where you are the "star".
You're stuck, and aware that you're dreaming. What do you do? Panic and try to somehow get out, manifest a gatling pistol and start to kill "people",
or do you accept it and get on with your dream/life?


It's hard to explain to somebody who actually believes in reality. What makes the fact that this reality is supposedly "real" any superior to any other world? 80 years from now we're all dead anyway and the question won't be relevant.

But it will still be asked.

[vnorberto]

Fact: Life is a dream, anything you perceive to be "real" is an illusion manifested by your imagination.

[Xlite]

Fact: Life is a dream, anything you perceive to be "real" is an illusion manifested by your imagination.

Yes, but life is not your dream.

[nshanin]

Nahh, you can't really compare that to a dream, where you are the "star".
You're the star in an FPS.

You're stuck, and aware that you're dreaming. What do you do? Panic and try to somehow get out, manifest a gatling pistol and start to kill "people",
or do you accept it and get on with your dream/life?
The same thing you do "irl", you do whatever the fuck you want to do. What's the difference between realizing you live in a dream in a dream and realizing that life is meaningless "irl"? Nothing.

But it will still be asked.

I see no point here. I'll assume you admit that there's nothing special about "reality" if it exists and that the only difference between having a "real" experience and an imagined one (as in a dream) is that (again, if a tangible reality exists, which is a rather large if) the former occurs in a material world which is no more special than any other world.

[nutsack]

Life is my dream. What a lot of people don't realize is that you choose your life every time you make any little decision. You really can do anything. Go do it.

[vnorberto]

Yes, but life is not your dream.

How do you know what my life is ?

and

How do you know its not my dream ?

[Treefingers.s]

How do you what my life is ?

and

How do you know its not my dream?

Don't be stupid and ask stupid questions, stupid.

[Xlite]

You're the star in an FPS.


Yes, but you're not actually in the game.


The same thing you do "irl", you do whatever the fuck you want to do.


Well ye, only difference is that you can do anything you can think of in a dream, you can't do that here.

I don't think you get me here, so i'l be a bit more specific.

Lets say that this world is your dream, me and the rest of the world is just personalities created by your mind. You don't know this yet.

You go around and do whatever you do, but one day, you wake up and become aware that you're dreaming. Your friends, your family, your home is merely an illusion created by you. You must have some reaction to this.

At first, you would probably go nuts and do whatever the fuck you wanted to do. Like turn buildings or cars to dust, kill osama, go rape some chicks or w/e. But sooner or later you would be bored, and then what? you're stuck in this shitty dream forever, you can't die, you can't get out.


What's the difference between realizing you live in a dream in a dream and realizing that life is meaningless "irl"? Nothing.

You think this is a dream in a dream? Who's dream?
Life ain't meaningless, meaning of life is to die.
Death would be pointless without life.

If there's no reason for you to live, you die, hence = death is the end, the grand meaning. If the meaning of life was to get kids or something, then you would die as soon as that happend.



I see no point here. I'll assume you admit that there's nothing special about "reality" if it exists and that the only difference between having a "real" experience and an imagined one (as in a dream) is that (again, if a tangible reality exists, which is a rather large if) the former occurs in a material world which is no more special than any other world.

This world is very different from dreams. Sure, dreams are really just another reality, a more limited one, compared to this. We can't sit here and write about this in a dream, not with our minds anyway.

How do you know what my life is ?

and

How do you know its not my dream ?

I know what you life is not, and its not a dream.

A human mind would not be able to create a univers as big and complicated as ours.
And even if it was your dream, unexplainable events would occur all the time.
The idea that an single entity would question its own exsistence is silly. There would be no trigger for the question.

[vnorberto]

Don't be stupid and ask stupid questions, stupid.

you simple minded peasant, go elsewhere.

[nutsack]

Yes, but you're not actually in the game.

Well ye, only difference is that you can do anything you can think of in a dream, you can't do that here.

I don't think you get me here, so i'l be a bit more specific.

Lets say that this world is your dream, me and the rest of the world is just personalities created by your mind. You don't know this yet.

You go around and do whatever you do, but one day, you wake up and become aware that you're dreaming. Your friends, your family, your home is merely an illusion created by you. You must have some reaction to this.

At first, you would probably go nuts and do whatever the fuck you wanted to do. Like turn buildings or cars to dust, kill osama, go rape some chicks or w/e. But sooner or later you would be bored, and then what? you're stuck in this shitty dream forever, you can't die, you can't get out.

You think this is a dream in a dream? Who's dream?
Life ain't meaningless, meaning of life is to die.
Death would be pointless without life.

If there's no reason for you to live, you die, hence = death is the end, the grand meaning. If the meaning of life was to get kids or something, then you would die as soon as that happend.

Everyone dies some day :)
If you don't realize it, back into the grinder you go.

[Xlite]

Everyone dies some day :)


I'm happy we agree.

[nutsack]

I'm happy we agree.

I don't agree that death is the end however. The end of you, yes. But not the end.

[Xlite]

I don't agree that death is the end however. The end of you, yes. But not the end.

I tend to agree on that aswell.

I belive the Big Rip is the end of everything.

[vnorberto]

A human mind would not be able to create a univers as big and complicated as ours.



spend a couple of months inside a closet and you will say otherwise.

[Xlite]

spend a couple of months inside a closet and you will say otherwise.

You don't really have access to a world of knowledge inside a closet.

[Generic Box Of Cookies]

Why was there no "Nightmare" option?

And would there still be a 'real' world occasionally when you slept in your dream, or just a dream within a dream?

[Xlite]

Why was there no "Nightmare" option?

And would there still be a 'real' world occasionally when you slept in your dream, or just a dream within a dream?


I don't recall ever dreaming while i was dreaming, so i left that option out.
And the nightmare scenario is irelevant, since you would be able to get yourself out of it instantly.

[vnorberto]

You don't really have access to a world of knowledge inside a closet.

you are too simple

[Treefingers.s]

you simple minded peasant, go elsewhere.

It's not that you retard, you're thinking too paranormal. You're saying that a dream is life, but when you look at it scientifically, a dream is a conjured up movie that is based on what happened to you before you went to sleep. It should have been "Reverie, or Reality?" For all those damned forsaken retards like you. (Making a daydream into reality and control it like a god would)

[Xlite]

you are too simple

Explain then. Because so far you've added.. ehm, nothing.

[vnorberto]

It's not that you retard, you're thinking too paranormal. You're saying that a dream is life, but when you look at it scientifically, a dream is a conjured up movie that is based on what happened to you before you went to sleep. It should have been "Reverie, or Reality?" For all those damned forsaken retards like you. (Making a daydream into reality and control it like a god would)

you are fucking stupid, please, shut the fuck up.

[Treefingers.s]

you are fucking stupid, please, shut the fuck up.

Oooh, did I hurt your ego? :rolleyes: Faggot.

[vnorberto]

Explain then. Because so far you've added.. ehm, nothing.

what specifically are you looking to be explained?
its not that difficullt to grasp of what im saying.
the mind is like a tank of water, the amount of water that is seen on an average fully developed and fully functional human brain(read up a bit of how the brain forms while your inside your mothers stomach) is merely on the surface, when you put seize to the things that use up your mind, all things that exist in and around you, you will be able to see the water beneath the surface and finally at the bottom, being in a closet like space for a long period of time, puts seize to what was blocking you from seeing underneath the water. When you see beneath the surface water its different depths and planes of knowledge and understanding. its like scientist/pshycologists say you only use 8% or w/e of your mind, thats correct, true knowledge in only obtained once youve broken out of that and used more. alternatively, there are other methods(ex: meditation) to help you reach that goal, althought from personal experience, it would take significantly longer(many many years) to be able to do this with these other ways.

[Xlite]

Stuff

That explained nothing, or maybe i just don't get you.

In any case, like i said earlier, knowledge is nothing without memory.

If you're talking about "thinking out of the box" then yes, its possible to do things impossible to do. But for now, for us. We are limited.

[vnorberto]

Oooh, did I hurt your ego? :rolleyes: Faggot.

lolol
reading that is like a bee ask a lion if he is bothering him.
now kindly press the x on your web browser and things of which you would not understand in a million years will thank you.

[vnorberto]

That explained nothing, or maybe i just don't get you.
.
im not too good with words but absolutely,generations and generations of survival have molded the human mind to only be able to use an amount sufficient to survive, when you break out of it , you use more then what is needed, aging your mind faster due to a larger amount being used ,you need to use more than what your pre programmed amount of mind space to be able to understand, and come to think of it, it may not have been as simple to understand as i had earlier mentioned .

In any case, like i said earlier, knowledge is nothing without memory.

If you're talking about "thinking out of the box" then yes, its possible to do things impossible to do. But for now, for us. We are limited
you are correct, however that does not apply to all beings, only ones like yourself.

[Xlite]

you are correct, however that does not apply to all beings, only ones like yourself.

Humans.

[vnorberto]

Humans.

humans...with fully functional fully developed human minds yes..... it wont make sense to you obviously, but not all humans are like this.

[Treefingers.s]

humans...with fully functional fully developed human minds yes..... it wont make sense to you obviously, but not all humans are like this.

This is what you are NOT understanding, idiot. ALL you are DOING is taking simple opinions and making them into a big vague opinion. No matter how smart you think you are, you can't say that life is a total dream. Your mind comes to think at an oblivious state making it wonder if your life is one whole memory created by many other memories (A dream). If so, then how in fact would you aquire these memories from void? You are the stupid one.

[vnorberto]

This is what you are NOT understanding, idiot. ALL you are DOING is taking simple opinions and making them into a big vague opinion. No matter how smart you think you are, you can't say that life is a total dream. Your mind comes to think at an oblivious state making it wonder if your life is one whole memory created by many other memories (A dream). If so, then how in fact would you aquire these memories from void? You are the stupid one.

your assumptions are wrong.

[nutsack]

your assumptions are wrong.

If you feel superior to anyone you're doing it wrong, imo.

[Treefingers.s]

No, you assume that is what i am doing because you do not have the capacity to experience higher understanding, go ahead and insult me, i bet it really makes you feel good.

Assume that you are doing what? If you had ever experienced higher understanding, then you'd probably would be good with words, be good at typing, etc. But you are NOT, am I wrong?

[vnorberto]

If you feel superior to anyone you're doing it wrong, imo.

elaborate on this ?

[Treefingers.s]

elaborate on this ?

*FAILS TO SEE HIGHER UNDERSTANDING* :rolleyes:

[Resign the King]

its like scientist/pshycologists say you only use 8% or w/e of your mind, thats correct, true knowledge in only obtained once youve broken out of that and used more.

Urban legend.

[Agent 008]

I am glad I dreamt of this thread.

[nutsack]

elaborate on this ?

People with great spiritual understanding aren't usually the type to claim superiority over others, especially spiritual superiority.

[vnorberto]

Assume that you are doing what? If you had ever experienced higher understanding, then you'd probably would be good with words, be good at typing, etc. But you are NOT, am I wrong?


higher understanding IS NOT words or typing. you simple buffon.
higher understanding is tapping into different levels of existence, planes of different dimensions, filled with knowledge,if you will.

there is nothing simple about it and you have to work hard develloping your mind to understand it.

[vnorberto]

People with great spiritual understanding aren't usually the type to claim superiority over others, especially spiritual superiority.

the only reason anything i have said may have come off that way is because i am not good with words, a fault of mine indeed.

[Treefingers.s]

higher understanding IS NOT words or typing. you simple buffon.
higher understanding is tapping into different levels of existence, planes of different dimensions, filled with knowledge,if you will.

there is nothing simple about it and you have to work hard develloping your mind to understand it.

Then don't call anyone stupid you dimwit. You have some nerve calling people stupid when all you are probably doing is playing make believe with your bullshit dimensions and what-not.

May they [the dimensions] exist, really doesn't mean you know of them, that you have access to them.

If you think about it [the typing], you have to KNOW where the keys are in order to press them, hence "filled with knowledge". (Obviously your brain isn't filled with knowledge)

Seems as though you need to learn all about reality before you start bullshitting yourself into thinking that there is an actual dimension filled with knowledge, IMO. Because then you'd get people like vnorberto, lulz.

vnorberto: You stupid idiots! There are dimensions a foot!!
Parents: VNORBERTO, PLEASE COME OUT OF OUR BASEMENT AND GET A JOB, YOU ARE ALREADY 32!!

[vnorberto]

Then don't call anyone stupid you dimwit. You have some nerve calling people stupid when all you are probably doing is playing make believe with your bullshit dimensions and what-not.

May they [the dimensions] exist, really doesn't mean you know of them, that you have access to them.

If you think about it [the typing], you have to KNOW where the keys are in order to press them, hence "filled with knowledge". (Obviously your brain isn't filled with knowledge)

Seems as though you need to learn all about reality before you start bullshitting yourself into thinking that there is an actual dimension filled with knowledge, IMO. Because then you'd get people like vnorberto, lulz.

vnorberto: You stupid idiots! There are dimensions a foot!!
Parents: VNORBERTO, PLEASE COME OUT OF OUR BASEMENT AND GET A JOB, YOU ARE ALREADY 32!!
most of what i expected from you, chuckled a bit. im off to bed now.

[Treefingers.s]

most of what i expected from you, chuckled a bit. im off to bed now.

I think you have OCPD. Good night.

[Xlite]

humans...with fully functional fully developed human minds yes..... it wont make sense to you obviously, but not all humans are like this.

Yes, they are. No human being can use thier brain to its full potential.
Its just not possible yet.

higher understanding IS NOT words or typing. you simple buffon.
higher understanding is tapping into different levels of existence, planes of different dimensions, filled with knowledge,if you will.

there is nothing simple about it and you have to work hard develloping your mind to understand it.

And you have a higher understanding?
of what exactly, what is it you understand, what dimensions have you been in other than the 3?

[Needtoknow]

This already exists guys. People create there own realitys at night during the REM cycle of sleep. It is called lucid dreaming. I have practised for months and still only managed to do it three times :rant:

But it is a mind blowing experiance:eek:

My first time I was in some sort of rice patty field on a mountain so it was on levels. I recognized that this was not reality and I rubbed my hands together to stabilize my surroundings. So I pushed off and began to float but I kept sinking. I hated this, I told my self "THIS IS ALL IN YOUR HEAD YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT" but I kept falling, eventually I managed to hover myself to a cliff and I thought I could fall almost to the bottom and levitate hard enough to fly off. I failed and woke up :rant:

Oh and as a good idea as it seems having sex doesn't really work in lucid dreams. I don't know why but 90% of people who try wake up halfway thrue. It is truly best to ignore these urges and to continue on in your created reality. You can summon animals (even if only to kill or to sic them on your enemys.

I have always wanted to experiment with some sort of pill that would put you in a deep trance/coma for a day and really try to have a really long lucid dream.

[Xlite]

This already exists guys. People create there own realitys at night during the REM cycle of sleep. It is called lucid dreaming.
Please read all the posts before you start posting, we already covered this.

[Needtoknow]

Please read all the posts before you start posting, we already covered this.

Yah? well.... screw you. :p
But seriously after the first 5 or so posts it degrades into people being trolls and bullshit posts that really go off topic. I tired of reading a text wall of shit and decided to skip to the bottom. Missing a few jems, but better off then reading Treefingers or blacks writing. (and lucid dreaming was passively mentioned once )

Edit: Infact it looks like page two is just trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls:rolleyes:

[Xlite]

Yah? well.... screw you. :p


Yeah, and now you're starting to troll aswell.