Arrr teachers are rediculous

[echo4818]

I am taking a Popular Culture class. My teacher for it was talking about Post Modernism and what she called the Punk/Grunge movement. She said that it was started by Kevin Cobain. WTF!!!. She said that the grunge/ punk movement was started by people who didn't know how to play instruments, so they just got up on stage and made noise for fun. She also said that the Punk/Grunge movement is now dead because all of the musicians learned to play their instruments. They spent so much time playing them that they actually got good.

[ILTST9]

She's probably right.

[ACE_187]

punk music is crap. and maybe you should listen to her, then you might be able to spell ridiculous :)

[Rykoshet]

Nirvana sucks, get over it.

Kurt Kobain died, at 27 no less, but he was no Hendrix, Janis or Jim.

If you want to worship anyone who died in the 90s, do it with someone worthy, like River Phoenix or Chris Farley.

That said, there's a lot of good music out there classified as punk. Metallica was grunge, Offpsring is punk, both are great.

But fuck, get over it, Nirvana sucks, November rain is pretty sweet, but smells like teen spirit is a shitty song and I hate people who like it!

[AtrainV]

I am taking a Popular Culture class. My teacher for it was talking about Post Modernism and what she called the Punk/Grunge movement. She said that it was started by Kevin Cobain. WTF!!!. She said that the grunge/ punk movement was started by people who didn't know how to play instruments, so they just got up on stage and made noise for fun. She also said that the Punk/Grunge movement is now dead because all of the musicians learned to play their instruments. They spent so much time playing them that they actually got good.

This is ridiculous, yes. Teachers at any reputable University or College should know better than to teach what they don't know.

punk music is crap. and maybe you should listen to her, then you might be able to spell ridiculous :)

While I agree on your view of spelling, your statement offers no evidence to back up your opinion, and therefore has no value.

Nirvana sucks, get over it.

Kurt Kobain died, at 27 no less, but he was no Hendrix, Janis or Jim.

If you want to worship anyone who died in the 90s, do it with someone worthy, like River Phoenix or Chris Farley.

That said, there's a lot of good music out there classified as punk. Metallica was grunge, Offpsring is punk, both are great.

But fuck, get over it, Nirvana sucks, November rain is pretty sweet, but smells like teen spirit is a shitty song and I hate people who like it!

I don't even know where to start with you...


Rather than posting a lot of words that I've said many times before, let me direct you to a blog post I made about this exact topic: the death and decline of punk rock as it relates to pop culture.

http://atrainv.wordpress.com/2008/09/15/punk-is-dead-long-live-punk/

[parkus]

Metallica was grunge

lol, wut? :facepalm:

[ILTST9]

Metallica was grunge, Offpsring is punk, both are great.
I agree with everything in your post except for this part. Metallica isn't grunge and both of those bands suck.

[Rykoshet]

I don't know about this labeling. Maybe I'm not from seatle but I just don't give a shit about classifying music past a certain point.

Grunge originated from hard rock, metal, and alternative? So somebody who did hard rock and metal (ie, Metallica) but threw in alternative is grunge?

It's like trying to classify Pantera, Rage, Metallica, Alice in Chains, etc as 10 different subgenres when all I hear is maybe 2 different ones.

Wouldn't it be easier to say "Metallica did metal differently from Rage which did metal in their own way?"

I just never got into subgenres that much, there's too many for me to keep track of. Death metal, white metal, heavy metal, speed metal, trash metal, alternative metal, rap metal, black metal, etc.

I don't want to offend you metalheads (or any other esoterics out there) but I'm wiping my hands, it's just too much for me.

Also, anyone who thinks metallica sucks obviously doesn't know shit about music. It's not an opinion, it's straight up fact. One, Orion, St. Anger, Enter Sandman, Unforgiven I and II, Nothing Else Matters, ETC ETC. Influenced an entire generation of musicians.

[Frank]

Wouldn't it be easier to say "Metallica did metal differently from Rage which did metal in their own way?"

Metallica is thrash metal full of complex harmonies, solos, fast down picking and drum beats at high tempos.

Rage Against the Machine is rap metal. Obviously the vocals take a page from MC's, the guitar and basslines are Deep Purple influenced and the crazy affects and utilization of noises, fading volumes and using feedback is straight from the DJ's turntables. Rage came up during a time where Rap Metal was popular but it all seemed to take a page from Metallica and Pantera (ie Limb Biskit)

I agree Kurt Cobain was no where near as influential as so many others but him and Nirvana rose up during a time where it was "shred or get off the pot". Everyone wanted to be the next Yngwie Malmsteens where flaunting your ability on the guitar was more important than creating a song that's easy to the ears and accepted by fans of other genres, even hip hop.

Kurt Cobain proved that you don't have to have a 2 minute complex solo in every song to make quality music that is well liked. He inspired a whole generation of kids who would have never picked up a guitar to learn how to play. The technical aspect of music can be discouraging for a new comer and being able to pick up a guitar and play "come as you are" or another simple Cobain riff was enough to keep youngster interested in the instrument. Getting kids to do something constructive and creative is important, even if they do happen to make crappy music.

The negative side is I haven't heard a song on the radio with a guitar solo in well over a decade, obviously Cobain's fault. Luckily for me I don't listen to the radio often.:)

I'm not a big Nirvana fan but I love the unplugged album, easily up there in my favorites.

[parkus]

I've always thought of Nirvana / grunge as like hippy punk. There is alot of punk influence, and the the free spirit values and erm... drug addictions.

Look at it - Nirvana, Sonic Youth, Smashing Pumpkins, The Pixies, etc..