Metal Storm wins US Army project

[talonner]

Metal Storm wins US Army project
July 1, 2009 - 3:09PM

Defence technology company Metal Storm Ltd has been awarded a development project worth $US514,700 with the US Army to increase the battle effectiveness of certain warheads.
Metal Storm will conduct the project over the next 12 months for the US Army's Joint Munitions and Lethality Contracting Center.
"The objectives of the project are to develop and demonstrate new and innovative technologies that are capable of providing significant improvements in lethality over current inventory warheads by controlling the direction of the fragmentation pattern," Metal Storm said on Wednesday.
The company is currently seeking to raise $2 million under a share purchase plan (SPP), which closes on Friday, July 3.
"The Metal Storm board encourages shareholders who wish to participate in the SPP to complete their application forms and submit them as soon as possible," chief executive Lee Finniear said in a statement.
Metal Storm said in May that without a capital injection, it was in danger of exhausting its resources in about four months.
It is still moving toward commercialising its weapons systems and ammunition.
Its shares were trading at 3.3 cents, up 0.6 cents, at 1457 AEST on Wednesday.

© 2009 AAP

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-business/metal-storm-wins-us-army-project-20090701-d4ui.html

In regards to the bolded section:

Fragmentation is essentially shrapnel. Shrapnel wounds are not often lethal, but can lead to major hemorrhaging which can result in loss of limbs, and a slow death due to blood loss.

Fragmentation can also result in permanent disfiguring wounds, such as those requiring skin grafts, loss of eyesight and other such war nasties. Fragmentation is not supposed to be completely lethal, it is a last minute hope for the best approach, as evident by the use of hand grenades, which fragment or disperse ball bearings.

The Russians have a hand grenade with a 200m (if I remember right) lethal radius, yet most defence forces will not use it, and will go with one that has a 10-20m range or so, perhaps due to an immense dislike of Russian gear, perhaps because it is better. Tall poppy syndrome perhaps?

Also, directional fragmentation, how barbaric is that? If you want to have a directional weapon, why use one that fragments, why not just use a munition designed for aimed or precision hits?

Disgrace.

[Trueborn]

My theory is that you're posting all this anti-military bullshit because you got rejected from it. But at least this isn't in the wrong forum for a change.

[talonner]

Amazingly I post classified information and have written about access I have had to USN sensitive equipment.

BTW, yeah I did get rejected from the military.

Another time I contacted a military recruiting centre and tried to join and they told me I was already in and addressed me by a certain rank.

Anyway....

I'm not anti military, I am anti evil.

And there are plenty of aspects of various military branches that have indoctrinated evil inherent within the system.

[Trueborn]

Except you haven't posted anything classified and you're about as authoritative as a squirrel.

[nutsack]

I'm not anti military, I am anti evil.

Guns kill people, right?

If this has "significant improvements in lethality" shouldn't you be happy because there will be less nasty non lethal injuries which you obviously think are so evil?

[talonner]

Except you haven't posted anything classified and you're about as authoritative as a squirrel.

I have posted classified information. Perhaps it got intercepted.

Did you see the thread on ADF uniforms? Perhaps it is above anything you are allowed to access and got intercepted, even though it is relatively benign.

[talonner]

Guns kill people, right?

If this has "significant improvements in lethality" shouldn't you be happy because there will be less nasty non lethal injuries which you obviously think are so evil?

This is a shrapnel weapon that is directional that is being discussed.

This is horrible and could potentially violate various international laws and conventions if used in a war zone.

If the USA pulls out of the deal then they might have to pay the Australian company compensation or honour the price agreement.

[nutsack]

This is a shrapnel weapon that is directional that is being discussed.

This is horrible and could potentially violate various international laws and conventions if used in a war zone.

Which international laws and conventions are these?

[talonner]

I wrote potentially.

You are aware hollow points are illegal in warzones according to certain laws and conventions regarding various issue?

Weaponry that has the potential to kill should not be designed to wound.

[nutsack]

I wrote potentially.

I know, I was asking which laws it could potentially violate. Actually I was only drawing attention to the fact that it does not violate any.

You are aware hollow points are illegal in warzones according to certain laws and conventions regarding various issue?

I'm aware of this, and also of how irrelevant it is to the topic.

Weaponry that has the potential to kill should not be designed to wound.

Which I assume is why effort has been put into making these shrapnel weapons more direct. To increase lethality and also to minimize collateral damage.

[talonner]

You're a moron, for real.

What is the purpose in a directional shrapnel weapon? Unless of course it is something like perimeter defence, which I assume this is not, looking at previous Metal Storm products, and even then, a DIRECTIONAL shrapnel weapon would be ill advised.

This is not about lethality, this is about barbarity.

Whoever is responsible for wanting this manufactured for the US .mil or DoD for warfare and anti-human targets is an absolute disgrace.

Experiments are one thing, to actually want to employ something like this on a battle field is incomprehensible.

And you have no idea what you are writing about.

[Mantikore]

use of fragmenting ordnance has been around for a long time, an is an essential part of anti-personnel weaponry.

there hasnt really been any major improvements to the concept, really. Explosives are hardly effective against personnel without shrapnel

[talonner]

Lovely, however, this post is about DIRECTIONAL shrapnel weaponry, assuming to be employed in an offensive role.

[nutsack]

You're a moron, for real.

That's nice.

What is the purpose in a directional shrapnel weapon? Unless of course it is something like perimeter defence, which I assume this is not, looking at previous Metal Storm products, and even then, a DIRECTIONAL shrapnel weapon would be ill advised.

It's a warhead. I would assume it's for anti personnel, or for an ABM

This is not about lethality, this is about barbarity.

It's about lethality. Why else would you want to direct the shrapnel? Non directed shrapnel would be less lethal because less of it hits the target, it doesn't take much common sense to realize this.

Whoever is responsible for wanting this manufactured for the US .mil or DoD for warfare and anti-human targets is an absolute disgrace.

Experiments are one thing, to actually want to employ something like this on a battle field is incomprehensible.

It's clearly just a further development of warheads which are already in service.

And you have no idea what you are writing about.

Irony

[Kwinnie Bogan]

The Russians have a hand grenade with a 200m (if I remember right) lethal radius, yet most defence forces will not use it, and will go with one that has a 10-20m range or so, perhaps due to an immense dislike of Russian gear, perhaps because it is better. Tall poppy syndrome perhaps?

Or perhaps because it's quite a task to throw a grenade 200 metres, let alone in the heat of combat. The chances you fuck it up are too great, and instead of taking out 20-40metres around you and a fellow soldier it would take out half your squad.

Also I am not a fan of this shrapnel shit. Fuck that shit, it's only purpose is to cause pain and suffering - not to permanently immobilise a soldier by carefully placing his brains on the trunk of a desert palm. That's dirty shit, fuck it. At least it's better than dirty bombs though.

[talonner]

Or perhaps because it's quite a task to throw a grenade 200 metres, let alone in the heat of combat. The chances you fuck it up are too great, and instead of taking out 20-40metres around you and a fellow soldier it would take out half your squad.

Also I am not a fan of this shrapnel shit. Fuck that shit, it's only purpose is to cause pain and suffering - not to permanently immobilise a soldier by carefully placing his brains on the trunk of a desert palm. That's dirty shit, fuck it. At least it's better than dirty bombs though.

Good point, however I am not in the mood to discuss scenarios involving the employment of fragmentation or ball bearing grenades.

[talonner]

That's nice.



It's a warhead. I would assume it's for anti personnel, or for an ABM



It's about lethality. Why else would you want to direct the shrapnel? Non directed shrapnel would be less lethal because less of it hits the target, it doesn't take much common sense to realize this.



It's clearly just a further development of warheads which are already in service.



Irony

Go have a look at some of the things Metal Storm have created in the past, if you are able.

So an anti-pers frag warhead. That is barbaric.

Do you know what Daisy Cutters are? They are SUPPOSED to only be used for clearing forests/jungles to make helicopter landing areas.

If it is directional it is aimed, and not a last ditch resort. If you can aim shrapnel, you would be in a situation to use something far less inhumane.

Once again, aspects of the US military procurement team have demonstrated just how insane, savage and atrocious they are.

[nutsack]

I don't think it's designed to cause suffering, it's just a case of getting too impersonal. I can imagine it being fired from air to ground where you can't exactly just shoot the guy in the head. I don't really like the sound of it either to be honest. Remember almost any regular HE warhead has a fragmentation effect already.

[Trueborn]

I have posted classified information. Perhaps it got intercepted.

Did you see the thread on ADF uniforms? Perhaps it is above anything you are allowed to access and got intercepted, even though it is relatively benign.

Nope. You posted a link about how they "smell weird" and that smell is actually "synthetic pheremones" and then you posted a link about Bernie Madoff getting 150 years in prison. None of that is classified even in just Australia, nor is even REL TO FVEY classified at any level, and that's because it's just trolling. You're turning in to a fail troll.

[talonner]

Nope. You posted a link about how they "smell weird" and that smell is actually "synthetic pheremones" and then you posted a link about Bernie Madoff getting 150 years in prison. None of that is classified even in just Australia, nor is even REL TO FVEY classified at any level, and that's because it's just trolling. You're turning in to a fail troll.

Wrong.

Also that Bernie Madoff shit is a news article, idiot.

I've also posted stuff about being on board USN vessels in CIC's after 9/11, as well as having family who have worked for the CIA.

So anyway, seen the news about China giving Russia massive loans of US currency? What about them giving US dollars to Zimbabwe, or perhaps it was Mozambique, either way it was some African country.

America is fucked, well and truly. So is the EU. So is the IMF. So is the World Bank.

How's it feel?

[Trueborn]

Wrong.

No, I'm afraid you're wrong. You have yet to post anything even considered "sensitive."

Also that Bernie Madoff shit is a news article, idiot.

No fucking shit, Einstein. That's what I pointed out originally.

I've also posted stuff about being on board USN vessels in CIC's after 9/11, as well as having family who have worked for the CIA.

OMG THE CIC! NO WAI! HOW DID YOU GET TO GO IN TO SOME PLACE THAT EVERY OTHER PERSON ON THE PIER AT EVERY PORT CALL GETS TO GO?!! DID YOU GET TO GO TO N6 SPACES, TOO?!!

OMG FAMULY WORKED IN CIA?! THAT'S TOTALLY CLASSIFIEDZ ABOVE TOP SECRETS!!!!!

[talonner]

I'm not an American.

So how does it feel to know that the USA, EU, IMF and World Bank and their associates are fucked?

[Trueborn]

I'm not an American.
That doesn't change a goddamn thing. You're acting like it's some big damn deal. I've seen Indonesian children in there, too.

So how does it feel to know that the USA, EU, IMF and World Bank and their associates are fucked?

EDIT: What does this have to do with the military?

[talonner]

So hows it feel to know that the USA, EU, IMF, World Bank and their cronies are destroyed?

Relevant to the military, because the militaries controlled by those organisations are also up shit creek. Your employer, no?

Hahahaha.

[Trueborn]

So hows it feel to know that the USA, EU, IMF, World Bank and their cronies are destroyed?

Relevant to the military, because the militaries controlled by those organisations are also up shit creek. Your employer, no?

Hahahaha.

No no no, it out as something legitimate having to do with shell fragmentation and YOU, two posts up, then switched gears and started talking about completely different shit having to do with the World Bank.

Which is it?

[Tevar]

talonner,

Please go tell any Iraqi citizen who has recently been ass raped by artillery shrapnel from an IED that directional fragmentation is a bad thing.

And, you're full of shit about directional shrapnel or fragmentation being something new and possibly illegal. Claymore mines have been around for decades, are the most basic directional shrapnel weapon, and are not illegal by any means.

One of the most common mandates in international treaties on war is to minimize civilian and collateral damage. A directional warhead does just that, and if anything is more humane than the alternative.

[Virus]

http://zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=42568

this has been posted in another forum Trueborn, what do you want to do?

[talonner]

talonner,

Please go tell any Iraqi citizen who has recently been ass raped by artillery shrapnel from an IED that directional fragmentation is a bad thing.

And, you're full of shit about directional shrapnel or fragmentation being something new and possibly illegal. Claymore mines have been around for decades, are the most basic directional shrapnel weapon, and are not illegal by any means.

One of the most common mandates in international treaties on war is to minimize civilian and collateral damage. A directional warhead does just that, and if anything is more humane than the alternative.

Yes, a claymore, a defensive mine type weapon, no an offensive one with AIMED PRECISION SHOTS.

[talonner]

No no no, it out as something legitimate having to do with shell fragmentation and YOU, two posts up, then switched gears and started talking about completely different shit having to do with the World Bank.

Which is it?

I've stated the facts. If you morons can derail threads with off topic nonsense, or pretend to stay on topic by diverting the attention of the subject, why is it that I cannot?

So anyway, in regards to the USA, EU, IMF and World Bank, how does it feel?

[Virus]

Yes, a claymore, a defensive mine type weapon, no an offensive one with AIMED PRECISION SHOTS.

Aimed precision shots =/= shrapnel.

But wait, the U.S Military already has directed shrapnel weapons for offensive use:

http://pro-patria.us/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/BreachingAimpro.247181311_std.jpg

A SHOTGUN!

[JREwing]

I think that if you can get by without hurting someone thats good, but if you have to aim weapons at people then they may as well be ones that'll fuck them up well.

Remember, the average American is a mean little asshole who likes guns and shooting stuff and doesn't know what barbaric means. If you can rip an enemies soldier's arm in two that's much better than a kill, because it means you can interrogate him, occupy two soldiers to drag him off the field, cause logistical problems when he gets to hospital or medical help, and make people afraid and depressed rather than angry and vengeful like they get after someone is killed.

Its much more lolful to think of an insurgents family being forced to wipe his ass and spoonfeed him three times a day for 50 years rather than being able to remember brave ahmed, who died nobly fighting the oppressors.

In war wounds are always better than kills.

And all the things you mentioned are just institutions, not as important as the demographics they represent. If the US is fucked its due to demographics (read Niggers, sand niggers and jews) not politics.

[talonner]

Aimed precision shots =/= shrapnel.

But wait, the U.S Military already has directed shrapnel weapons for offensive use:

http://pro-patria.us/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/BreachingAimpro.247181311_std.jpg

A SHOTGUN!

You are really one of the most unintelligent posters I have ever had the displeasure of communicating with on the internet.

[Captain Kaboom]

Report this picklehead to NCIS for the fun of it. If nothing else, it MIGHT peak enough interest to be considered "somewhat entertaining". :)

[talonner]

Off the coast of Australia there is the USS George Washington and the USS Cowpens, among others.

I've been on the bridge of the USS Cowpens.

[talonner]

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