Best drug for when feeling depressed?

[IFWTotse]

Just broke up with my gf today, fucking hate this feeling as do most people. I want something to settle my stomach and make me function as a normal person again.

I'm comfortable trying nearly any drug, as long as it's not IV.

I'm pretty sure i can get:

Booze
E
Speed
Weed
Morphine
Oxy (maybe)

plus some other things if i look around

[skinny love]

drink your problems away.

[lostmyface]

dude, smoke a blunt. slam a beer. then go to a bar an meet some new girl. jus lay that whole sob story on her about your girlfriend leaving. your dick will be in her mouth faster than you can say "thanks lostmyface for this great advice" and you will feel much better than most drugs can make you feel.

[Metaphysicist]

Well, to make you less depressed and fix the stomach might be harder..

I say that because the best thing to make you feel better is opiates. Heroin the best, but I really don't suggest doing heroin [I don''t suggest [I]any[I] use of opiates for recreation, though. Because they're just too damn good, but too damn addicting. But that's for another thread and day]. Oxy is a sorta close second.

But if you're new to opiates you'll likely get a fucked up stomach for a bit. Thus what I said first.

Benzos also make the pain a little easier.

But you can't hide from things too long or it becomes a problem and starts to get to a dependency.

[IFWTotse]

Well, to make you less depressed and fix the stomach might be harder..

I say that because the best thing to make you feel better is opiates. Heroin the best, but I really don't suggest doing heroin [I don''t suggest [I]any[I] use of opiates for recreation, though. Because they're just too damn good, but too damn addicting. But that's for another thread and day]. Oxy is a sorta close second.

But if you're new to opiates you'll likely get a fucked up stomach for a bit. Thus what I said first.

Benzos also make the pain a little easier.

But you can't hide from things too long or it becomes a problem and starts to get to a dependency.

Yeah, that's the problem, during a breakup i always have that horrible sinking feeling which makes it impossible to drink more than a couple beers without wanting to spew. I'm thinking an eighth of Sydney's finest and some good company will help me ride it out for the next couple days.

I absolutely love Oxy but it's so goddamn hard to get here unless you hang out with hardcore users (which i don't) so i can rule out getting that short notice. From your experience, would smoking a bowl before taking opiates help to settle the stomach?

[Whatever1]

Don't know what your classification of 'speed' is, but smoked methamphetamine is hands down best drug for feeling depressed.

...Not that you're supposed to be doing drugs when you're depressed in the first place, that never ends good.. Irresponsible drug use.

[Lysergic Rain]

Booze
E
Speed
Weed
Morphine
Oxy (maybe)

I'd say just take all of those at the same time.

[White Blue Mushrooms]

No drugs, get over it.

[Saline Colors]

Hookers. Lots of them.

[Dionysus]

I find opiates, like meta said is the best way to chase away the blues. That decision may come back to haunt me because finding such a simple solution to a problem tends to mean that it becomes my preferable course of action when I need to deal with the problem again.

[Fly Guy ARB]

don't burn. stop burning until you don't feel shitty anymore. pot will just make you over analyze your situation. you don't want to think. the bottom line is that your whore is probably fucking another dude right now, so get on the rebound asap.

[Marijuanasaurus]

smoke a fat joint.

[Metaphysicist]

Pot won't help with opiate tum.

[Vizier]

Salvia, but most people seem to get paranoid with it and whatnot.

[Th0r]

I've found drugs can easily escalate a depressive phase so I'd advise not using any drugs or using any alcoholic beverages.

[Death Snuggle]

I'd personally get the E and some weed. I'd get some nitrous too, but that's just me. You won't even care you just broke up because you love you.

[Marijuanasaurus]

Pot won't help with opiate tum.

No but it will help him think about his problems and get his shit together. Not all people want to go as far as opiates to solve their problems. Not knocking it or anything ive done them plenty of times, just cant see myself getting into that shit.

[dawk]

smoke a fat joint.

yeah

[darkeasterbunny]

I wouldn't do more then weed and some booze (or a lot, but not all day every day) when depressed :)

Saline's idea wasn't bad either, though expensive

[CMACD]

People say not to do mushrooms when you're feeling depressed... however, I believe that in this particular case of a breakup, a good, solid trip might just lift you out of the gutter. I wouldn't eat them if someone died, but something like a breakup... Might make you see that you were better off?? I don't know.. don't really know the seriousness of the relationship. There's a big chance that you could just feel worse...

E would probably make you feel better, actually, it'd be a lot safer to go with E (when it comes to having a positive experience, it's a more physically dangerous drug, though).

[reallystupidstuff]

morphine. (fucks up stomach less than oxy in my expirience)

[Young Meth]

Why is everyone recommending opiates..

If I were you I'd just get 2 40's of Malt liquor and how ever much high grade bud you can afford. Smoke a few bowls and drink one of the beers really fast, then you'll probably feel too fucked up to feel any pain. Then sit on the other beer and redose whenever you feel sad.


*I personally feel numb as fuck when i'm twisted.

[mr.blunt]

Smoke a joint and drink a beer. Don't get completely fucked up, just buzz and relax/ponder shit/go get a new girl.

[averylongnamethatislong]

Smoke a joint and drink a beer. Don't get completely fucked up, just buzz and relax/ponder shit/go get a new girl.

what this man said

[heroinbob]

Get some 40's and a blunt.

[C A N N I B I S]

Pot won't help with opiate tum.
I've found it to be very helpful.

[IFWTotse]

I've found it to be very helpful.

conflicting reports, on my zoklet?

[DEADBEATDAD]

Stop being a soggy vagina and get over it.

[boostinkyboo]

Salvia, but most people seem to get paranoid with it and whatnot.




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[Space Ultra Guitar Case 3]

a bullet to the brain

[Metaflux]

Well instead of telling you drugs are not the way to solve your problems...

I'm just going to spare you the rant and say oxy's for sure

Pot will make you over analyze and paranoid like the previous poster said.
Booze is depressing when your sitting drinking by yourself.
E and shrooms... I wouldn't suggest any psychedelics for obvious reasons.
Salvia... Hahaha poster is a troll.
Speed is questionable.

Definitely the morphine or Oxy's. And snort it too, like a champ. haha

[RIPtotse]

Any opaite will make you feel better..

But why shun away a feeling that was given to you for a reason? Embrace the hate/depression? Don't push it away like everyone else, but see what it transforms you into? this being said..don't go get smashed and try to have an enlightening experience..If I were you I'd smoke some pot and fully asses the situation that made me depressed. Maybe record what you think in a notebook, or make it into a song/story that has nothing, directly, to do with your situation.

All feelings are there for a reason, maybe you can overcome the reason and fully understand the feeling.


All just a new perspective, i have no idea what your situation is.

[SydMorrison]

When I'm depressed, I drink my problems away...I mean, I'm what's considered a "functioning alcoholic", so I get drunk about once a day anyways. The only difference is that you have to drink MORE to make your problems go away.

Anyways - alcohol = win for this. Just drunkenly rant to your friends at a bar, then go pick up some random chick and fuck her tonight.

You'll be fine by tomorrow.

[That Guy in the Bushes]

Drinking makes me more depressed usually, but benzos go down well. Opiates and weed are my key to success if things are too bad.


Edit: just saw what RIPTotse said, that's actually really good advice if you can follow it.

[reallystupidstuff]

Any opaite will make you feel better..

But why shun away a feeling that was given to you for a reason? Embrace the hate/depression? Don't push it away like everyone else, but see what it transforms you into? this being said..don't go get smashed and try to have an enlightening experience..If I were you I'd smoke some pot and fully asses the situation that made me depressed. Maybe record what you think in a notebook, or make it into a song/story that has nothing, directly, to do with your situation.

All feelings are there for a reason, maybe you can overcome the reason and fully understand the feeling.


All just a new perspective, i have no idea what your situation is.

Feelings are gay

[Wailing Fungus]

Hookers. Lots of them.

And blow.

I've found it to be very helpful.

It helps against light nausea, but, if you're going to puke, you're going to puke (pot or not).

Also it's cannabis, not cannibis.

[jailbaitjenkum]

From your list the M or the Oxy. But only if you IV the M. It's not really that good any other way. You could snort alot of M and not feel much (and accidentally go over towards spending many an hour getting sick) but if you can get the oxy you'll be cool. Opiates just make anything better man.

[Obbe]

Mix a milky drink. Isn't milk supposed to settle the stomach or something?

[JoePedo]

Best drug for when feeling depressed?

L. S. D. Hands down.

Not that it will do what you're asking for - instead, you'll have a total fucking emotional breakdown at 30x magnification - but when it's all said and done...

You won't even care you just broke up because you love you.

...and that's what's up.

Of course, since you probably neither have the balls, nor the suicidal-shamanic presence-of-mind to go through this (or make it out the other side to come back)... occasional MDMA use for you. "Occasional." MDMA is not a fucking binge-maintenance antidepressant, motherfucker, and if you try to use it like one, you will in fact come to regret it. Probably for the rest of your life.

It is also not a substitute for coffee.

...if you can't handle the month or two of sobriety in between rolls, smoke some fucking pot, dude. If you're strong enough, LSD is still your best possible hope... but making sure you withstand it and come back is your own fucking responsibility. Win that contest, you get to steal the fire of wisdom from the gods and bring it back to earth. Fail, you think everything is the vibration of a color for a few days until you forget about it, and in your case, probably cry a lot for no reason.

Have fun.

[infamousjonrhodes]

Pop an adderall man,that always brings my spirts up!

[LegalizeSpiritualDiscovry]

Opiates for sure, Benzo's, especially if it's anxiety-related. MDMA is an obvious one. Coke, but some people get bad comedowns.

Stimulants, especially (meth)amps would get you pretty damn happy, I'd assume.

[Intoxicated Shaman]

Weed + xanax + valium

That'll kill off any depression for a while.

[auburn]

smoke a lot of weed
when you wake up
before a shower
before you eat
after you eat
before you go outside
whenever you sit down
before you go to sleep
smoke before and after 6am munchies

[Centipede2]

L. S. D. Hands down...
Of course, since you probably neither have the balls, nor the suicidal-shamanic presence-of-mind to go through this...

What about negligent naievity?


Fail, you think everything is the vibration of a color for a few days until you forget about it, and in your case, probably cry a lot for no reason.


Is that the only downside - an emotional breakdown and paranoid psychedelic after-effects for a few days? I'm considering taking your advice as I was considering making a thread just like this. My goals are to decondition myself from my parents thought-patterns and become more independent and also accept myself and my situation as this independent self-reliant person...good tool for quick change?


making sure you withstand it and come back is your own fucking responsibility.


What does this entail? The ability to be rational, to not lose it and give up - be fully conscious? Or to be fully aware and serious before and going into the experience that it'll be a bumpy ride?

Also, would shrooms be a good replacement? LSD is hard to come by over here.

[Young Meth]

ADDERALL! Do 60 or 80 MG i guarantee you won't feel anything but incredible.

[JoePedo]

What about negligent naievity?

That, the op probably has...

Is that the only downside - an emotional breakdown and paranoid psychedelic after-effects for a few days?

Well, the leading possible downside.

It's also theoretically possible to work through one's feelings in a positive, calm, rational, self-accepting and self-loving fashion while in the middle of a hardcore emotional breakdown on ten milligrams of LSD... which would probably keep it from actually turning into an emotional breakdown.

On the other hand, being mature, balanced, and healthy enough to do that under those conditions probably suggests you're nearer the end of your journey than the start of it... except for the fact that the end of the neverending journey is the start of the journey of truly living, 'n all.

As for the after-effects... well... they're not so much paranoid, as the risk that if you don't work through it in the course of one's psychedelic crisis, one's emotions will probably be more open and alive for a few days... but unresolved. Since y'didn't resolve it during the trip in this subhypothetical.

...but, yeah. As long as you're bright enough not to top yourself in the middle of an LSD trip - always an important thing for tripping alone - then the worst that could happen is facing your emotions. Everything else wears off with the drug.

My goals are to decondition myself from my parents thought-patterns and become more independent and also accept myself and my situation as this independent self-reliant person...good tool for quick change?

:D Psychedelics are definately what you're looking for.

What does this entail? The ability to be rational, to not lose it and give up - be fully conscious? Or to be fully aware and serious before and going into the experience that it'll be a bumpy ride?

I think the buddhists call it "equanimity."

If gravity were to stop working, and you realized you were going to be stuck on the ceiling for the rest of your life - could you take it in stride? What if you found out you were dead? Or if you'd shrunk to two feet tall and everyone was whispering to each other about whether your penis was really two inches shorter than you say it is?

Could ya roll with it, or would it trip you out?

If the fact that the entire universe beyond the bathroom door has just ceased to exist and you'll never see anything beyond this cozy room ever again, because it no longer exists anymore, is something you can just take in stride, your journey will be easy. If not, well... you'll have a lot of stories to tell!

Also, would shrooms be a good replacement? LSD is hard to come by over here.

:D

Shrooms would be excellent.

[infamousjonrhodes]

joe i've seen your post around totse and zoklet and i have to ask
are you really a pedofile?

[Centipede2]

If gravity were to stop working, and you realized you were going to be stuck on the ceiling for the rest of your life - could you take it in stride? What if you found out you were dead? Or if you'd shrunk to two feet tall and everyone was whispering to each other about whether your penis was really two inches shorter than you say it is?

Could ya roll with it, or would it trip you out?


Huh. It's hard to tell having never experienced any of those. :rolleyes:
Sometimes I try to frame life as if I were already dead, I enjoy the glass though I know it's already broken...

Is there any way to tell? I used to smoke as much pot as I could and then "trip" and meditate and at one point I thought my neighbor was knocking at my door ready to kill me. A part of me still knew it was my mind creating it and I thought it was incredibly funny and just laughed and retreated to my bed. The only thing I can relate psychedelia to is my introspective pot smoking sessions and at times I actually enjoy the intense experiences and wrestling with the loops my brain creates; I go through a period of panic and finally I manage to calm myself. Is it similar?


...but, yeah. As long as you're bright enough not to top yourself in the middle of an LSD trip..


Wow. Again, hard to imagine. Sober I would never think of killing myself, even during emotional breakdowns, intuitively I'd say I wouldn't but I don't know how to be sure. Part of me feels like suicide is a worthwhile risk - that it's better to take the chance at changing or accepting myself - but it always goes back to not wanting to cause such pain to my parents. It is a conundrum since I'm trying to break my attachment/dependence on my parents for my emotional well-being.

Well thanks for your reply. I read some of your posts and came across you talking about constant stressors in one's life causing an ongoing chemical reaction in one's brain. I've had an over dominant and stressful parentage since birth which includes the parental operative conditioning with the consequence portion being yelled at weekly and a couple times a month brutal, back-to-the-jungle like, fights. The other side of it being two loving parents with one unconditionally loving, the other conditional with approval and kind of a head-trip when it comes to self-image and stress but getting better. I'm wondering if this would be enough to trigger this burning and also if bi-weekly (monthly?) first plateau dxm trips would be enough to stop it. I sure feel a burning/headache after last nights episode.

Thanks JoeThePedo.

[Mogli]

Ecstasy

[wit]

Ecstasy
Agreed. Of the list you gave its the only one that actually wont make you more depressed. Self medicating with weed and booze isnt a good idea, especially together. Without sounding like your mother none of those drugs are really going to cheer you up, they're just something to do while you're depressed.

[BSTH]

I wouldnt advice ecstasy, it may lift your spirits for 3 hours or so but wont do shit. I've done e after a break up sorta thing from my girl.. all i could think about was the times i was on e with her and how amazing i felt and i got depressed knowing i wont feel like that again let alone if i take e or not...

get something that will make you forget her and love yourself, never done opiates but from the sound of things looks like they are the go.


Or fuck the the drugs, get a natural high. Go for an intense, agressive filled workout. The endorphins you will get from that will be great. It works for me. Good luck dude, it can be hard.

[JoePedo]

joe i've seen your post around totse and zoklet and i have to ask
are you really a pedofile?

Yes! Pride in my raza, the whole nine yards...

Is there any way to tell?

Well, the general indicator is that people who like grappling with philosophical questions do a lot better on LSD... but luckily, the worst-case scenario is that it'll all be over in 8 hours anyways and everything will be fine, so really there's not too much to worry about...

Wow. Again, hard to imagine. Sober I would never think of killing myself, even during emotional breakdowns

That's probably a good sign.

Truth be told, even a large majority of generally-suicidal people have no problems not committing suicide on LSD. The main people who are actually at risk for doing something stupid on LSD (most forms of which are harmless) are those few people who have absolutely NO impulse control... who sort of get fucked by the random jolts of emotion and/or 'curious' thoughts and ideas when they fail to consider them at all before acting.

Even there, though, the usual case of action involves wondering where your pants went or not considering whether the streetlight your climbing in exultation is in plain view of every passing cop.

Luckily, psykes are pretty much "mostly harmless." They're no more dangerous than thoughts or emotion, which all of us have every day, 'n the psykes magnify or illuminate other paths, but they don't create them, they just magnify what's already in your head...

...if it's a normal experience to very, very frequently have to answer "I have no idea" when your friends ask you why you just did something physically dangerous and senselessly random, only trip with friends who can be in their right mind while tripping balls, or who are not tripping. If that's not a problem, you're not too likely to try to mosh a moving car just because a surge of energy came through your body. Most people are pretty safe...

...'n while psychologically coping with, say, morphing into a tree-frog and forgetting how to turn back into a human can be slightly harrowing, it wears off in about eight hours with no harm done. So really, it's a harmless learning experience for coping with the rest of life.

yelled at weekly and a couple times a month brutal, back-to-the-jungle like, fights... I'm wondering if this would be enough to trigger this burning...

Oh, hells yes. The hardware being hijacked was originally designed to muster resources and attention (and temporarily shut down unneeded resources) for immediately dealing with carnivorous predators. I'd say it matches the threat profile.

Worse still, it sounds a little chronic...

...and also if bi-weekly (monthly?) first plateau dxm trips would be enough to stop it.

heh. That's... somewhat open to speculation.

There's two parts. The secondary NMDA cascade from amygdalic NE release, well... can wipe out about 40% of the neurons in the brain, and DXM is certainly ideal for, well, blockading the NMDA receptor, and hence preventing neuron death...

...then, there's the associated corticoid release, which is also neurotoxic. While I'm actually starting to get a sneaking wonder if this isn't related to secondary glutamergic transmission, there's basically no data avaliable at all that I know of yet, so the default assumption is that it's directly neurotoxic on its own.

Now, here's where things get funny. See... NMDA antagonists are showing wonderful promise for anxiety and depression. 'n since depression usually involves thinking some negative thoughts which might count as a stressor, 'n since anxiety tends to provoke the whole stress response, there's some wonder if it might not decrease the corticoid release - through reduction of anxiety/depression generated stress - even if it doesn't antagonize corticoid neurotoxicity directly...

...of course, there's also the risk that it's just blockading something downstream, and the stress response is going off constantly and just not being felt. Nobody's quite sure... but, hey, it's good for at least half the neurotoxic results, and possibly more...

Jacking serotonin has been shown to halt corticoid ablation directly, as well as shutting down corticoid production... but, it doesn't do anything about NE-signalled glutamate release...

...so... who knows what's the best...

[infamousjonrhodes]

wierd man lol

[Centipede2]

There's two parts. The secondary NMDA cascade from amygdalic NE release, well... can wipe out about 40% of the neurons in the brain, and DXM is certainly ideal for, well, blockading the NMDA receptor, and hence preventing neuron death...

...then, there's the associated corticoid release, which is also neurotoxic. While I'm actually starting to get a sneaking wonder if this isn't related to secondary glutamergic transmission, there's basically no data avaliable at all that I know of yet, so the default assumption is that it's directly neurotoxic on its own.

Now, here's where things get funny. See... NMDA antagonists are showing wonderful promise for anxiety and depression. 'n since depression usually involves thinking some negative thoughts which might count as a stressor, 'n since anxiety tends to provoke the whole stress response, there's some wonder if it might not decrease the corticoid release - through reduction of anxiety/depression generated stress - even if it doesn't antagonize corticoid neurotoxicity directly...

...of course, there's also the risk that it's just blockading something downstream, and the stress response is going off constantly and just not being felt. Nobody's quite sure... but, hey, it's good for at least half the neurotoxic results, and possibly more...

Jacking serotonin has been shown to halt corticoid ablation directly, as well as shutting down corticoid production... but, it doesn't do anything about NE-signalled glutamate release...

...so... who knows what's the best...

Thanks a lot for this, so if I understand it right the environmental stress makes the amygdala squirt (norepinephrine?) which creates a cascade of NMDA and corticoid. You can stop the NMDA with DXM and this might also help stop corticoid production because of the decreased stress. Ok, sorry, I just wikipedia'd the definitions because this is all new to me, :D and I want to make sure I understand it right.

This means that taking DXM would be a kind of damage control because the NMDA is a byproduct of a stressed-out amygdala, which means that I need switch it off to stop the damage entirely? Dosage-wise too with DXM I can't figure out how much is needed, in one study they gave patients 200 mg "eight hourly" for help in controlling pain (which can be compared as a stressor?), alongside morphine this kind of makes me think that I'd need to take unhealthy amounts or addictive amounts of DXM for any help...unless DXM stops the cascade for some days or my comparison is ridiculous :sweat:.

I also read zinc and magnesium are NMDA antagonists so would increasing these help?

I guess I'll have to hold out really until I can find some pure MDMA, huh. You think an SSRI would help? For now though, hopefully exercise and meditation will do good enough in relieving stress.

Hey, I really appreciate your advice, this stuff is neat to know and I'm glad to hear of it before I'm completely brain dead :cool:

[Pharmer John]

I'll agree with JoePedo with the psyks. However, I find that LSD lasts far too long for most people. I'd recommend salvia or DMT for a brief facemeltingly intense trip back to your non-depressed state.

I'd like to hear Joe's thoughts on this. I found it really helped me out.