Are all Christians this idiotic?

[Feed_on_abortions]

(Long story warning to all of you ADHD riddled fucktards)

I get into a debate how science is more logical than religion, but it all fell down to a final argument: I asked her how god made the earth in 7 days if science has proven this did not occur, and she made some reply that dodged around an actual answer. I would generally disregard such an answer and ignore the person, but one thing in particular stuck out to me:
"Besides, science says the earth is billions of years old."
I replied "It is."
She replied:
"If thats what you want to think but think about this our technology should be so much more developed than it is and if the world is billions of years old then how come our world is not so as high tech as it should be?"

At this point I did what some would call a facepalm :facepalm: and tried to resist murder/suicide.

[dontcallmeinsane]

I feel your pain man, i really do.
You really cannot win an argument with these ignorant illogical fucktards who have their wonderful afterlife and God drilled into their head.

[dontcallmeinsane]

^^ Having said that there are some decent people out there with beliefs, i was just referring to the ones that hold their bible in front of themselves like a shield.

[lostmyface]

short answer is yes, long answer is no.

[Fish]

short answer is yes, long answer is no.

Or the reverse...

I'd say that not all christians are that stupid. However, some are. And some non-christians are that stupid. And some aren't.

It seems, however, that the ones that fall in both groups ("christian" and "stupid") get all the attnetion.

[lostmyface]

It seems, however, that the ones that fall in both groups ("christian" and "stupid") get all the attention.

i will agree with you on this.

[Feed_on_abortions]

I live in Oklahoma, U.S.A. which is a very Christian-dominated place, especially in which the city I live, and at the high school I attend, I'm pretty sure I'm the only person there that doesn't believe in any kind of religion, besides the science teacher. On the outside these people seem like average John Q. Publics, but I found that if you try and challenge the word of their god, they immediately flip a switch in their brain that makes them lose about half of their brain, with the section that manages critical thinking missing completely! :facepalm:

It's like they've been replaced by different people... it's very frustrating and somewhat scary at the same time...

[THIS IS IMPORTANT GODDAMNIT]

See how you are all exasperated and getting into arguments whereas your peers are feeling happy, confident and united?

Yeah I thought I'd point that out. Lol at you.

The reason you get into these pointless, redundant arguments is not because you are mr intelligent while they are some alien race, it's because you are all bitter and such like from being outnumbered by the brainwashees.

Put that in your mix bowl of logic and smoke those chumps mother fucker!:mad:

[Feed_on_abortions]

See how you are all exasperated and getting into arguments whereas your peers are feeling happy, confident and united?

Yeah I thought I'd point that out. Lol at you.

The reason you get into these pointless, redundant arguments is not because you are mr intelligent while they are some alien race, it's because you are all bitter and such like from being outnumbered by the brainwashees.

Put that in your mix bowl of logic and smoke those chumps mother fucker!:mad:

Tell me something I don't know. :fap: It's like you're a fountain of liquid insight over the barren desert that is my mind...

:rolleyes:

[dontcallmeinsane]

See how you are all exasperated and getting into arguments whereas your peers are feeling happy, confident and united?

Yeah I thought I'd point that out. Lol at you.

The reason you get into these pointless, redundant arguments is not because you are mr intelligent while they are some alien race, it's because you are all bitter and such like from being outnumbered by the brainwashees.

Put that in your mix bowl of logic and smoke those chumps mother fucker!:mad:

So you're loling at us because we're outnumbered by brainwashees?

Right......

[THIS IS IMPORTANT GODDAMNIT]

Hey I just realised that I've met some christian dude who made that same argument about how the earth can't be 6 billion years old because we arent "heaps more intelligent"

The guy was some noah's ark nutter who had like made an entire replica of noah's ark.

I told that bastard "It's you redundant christian's who refuse to give up a devotion to ignorance that have made humanities development so slow", and the stupid bastard went into meltdown from a surge in wisdom.

His brain exploded everywhere and wrecked his stupid Noah's ark model :mad:

[dontcallmeinsane]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Feed_on_abortions]

Hey I just realised that I've met some christian dude who made that same argument about how the earth can't be 6 billion years old because we arent "heaps more intelligent"

The guy was some noah's ark nutter who had like made an entire replica of noah's ark.

I told that bastard "It's you redundant christian's who refuse to give up a devotion to ignorance that have made humanities development so slow", and the stupid bastard went into meltdown from a surge in wisdom.

His brain exploded everywhere and wrecked his stupid Noah's ark model :mad:

Cool story, bro

[skyclaw441]

I am Christian, and I believe that God created the earth using science and evolution as tools, in 7 equal periods of time. I mean, who says one day here is a day for God? I do feel your pain, though.

[THIS IS IMPORTANT GODDAMNIT]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Oh my bad for not elaborating on the back story.

I went to a Christian Highschool and one time they had this guy come in to talk about his beliefs and position (or lack of position) in society.

I may of exagerated a little about what happened aswell...

[Reptar]

tl;dr

[Angry Blue Bird of Death]

tl;dr

but God does exist, you should learn to accept him.

[err0r]

Was she American?

[dontcallmeinsane]

Oh my bad for not elaborating on the back story.

I went to a Christian Highschool and one time they had this guy come in to talk about his beliefs and position (or lack of position) in society.

I may of exagerated a little about what happened aswell...

Lol ah i see. Well yes they are quite stubborn when it comes to questioning their beliefs. I can understand them standing behind it because it is what they believe but when they just stupidly hide behind their bible it pisses me off.

[Bad_Intentions]

I once had a religious teacher say, and I quote 'some people think we came from monkeys, I like bananas but not that much'
Very much a facepalm moment, I've heard alot of stupid ignorant Christians in my life.

[Kwinnie Bogan]

Athiests can be just as bad. That's a bit of an inflammatory comment though, because in reality you've got a little bit of everything in every religion, race, nation, culture, or commonly generalised group. I am quite glad to read in this thread that people are smart enough to realise this, and that it's not endemic to one faith.

[youngnastyman]

kwinnie knows what the fuck he's talking about

[NiggerBabyRocketLauncher]

Where the FUCK is my jetpack!? There is no such thing as science.

[reallystupidstuff]

On the outside these people seem like average John Q. Publics,

yes, but when you actually think about how stupid the average human being is, it makes sense. I mean 100 is the median iq for fucks sake. the only christians with any brains are the sick twisted child molesters that are smart enough to not get caught and the ones who are just in it for controlling a large cross section of the human race.

FUCK JESUS

[Slapshot]

"day" is sometimes used to refer to an era.

Merriam Webster (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/day)

Main Entry: day
Pronunciation: \ˈdā\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English dæg; akin to Old High German tag day
Date: before 12th century
1 a: the time of light between one night and the next b: daylight 1 c: daytime
2: the period of rotation of a planet (as earth) or a moon on its axis
3: the mean solar day of 24 hours beginning at mean midnight
4: a specified day or date
5: a specified time or period : age <in grandfather's day> —often used in plural <the old days><the days of sailing ships>6: the conflict or contention of the day <played hard and won the day>
7: the time established by usage or law for work, school, or business
— day after day : for an indefinite or seemingly endless number of days
— day in, day out : for an indefinite number of successive days

There's an awful lot of "pot calling the kettle black" in this thread.

[Feed_on_abortions]

"day" is sometimes used to refer to an era.

Merriam Webster (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/day)



There's an awful lot of "pot calling the kettle black" in this thread.

She said god created everything in 7 days but rested on Sunday, not me, I merely questioned it.

So fuck you, buddy

[Slapshot]

She said god created everything in 7 days but rested on Sunday, not me, I merely questioned it.

So fuck you, buddy

Did I strike a nerve? What makes you think I was talking about you, Napolean? Feel inadequate much? :D

[lostmyface]

There's an awful lot of "pot calling the kettle black" in this thread.



very well said.

[Feed_on_abortions]

Did I strike a nerve? What makes you think I was talking about you, Napolean? Feel inadequate much? :D

Let's all play jump to conclusions, I already have the mat set up and everything!:fap:

[SHARP]

Are all Christians this idiotic?

Nope, not all of them, some of them realizes that faith is a matter of belief, while science is a matter of fact.
The problem arises when one or more of them try to draw a parallel between the two concepts, that isn't there.

The way I see it, you either believe in one or the other, with all that may come of implications.

And BTW, that's how I feel about all religions, although the people I mostly get into arguments with, are christians and muslims...

[Slapshot]

Let's all play jump to conclusions, I already have the mat set up and everything!:fap:

blah blah blah, whatever you say genius :rolleyes:

[LSA King]

Dude its not even worth arguing about to religious zealots anymore. My mom makes me :facepalm: every damn time I bring up science compared to religion. You cannot win when someone bases there entire existance off an imaginary man who has the whole universe in his arms like a puppet master.

You take that away from them you take there entire existance away.

[SHARP]

Did I strike a nerve? What makes you think I was talking about you, Napolean? Feel inadequate much? :D

Well, perhaps the fact that he was the only one in the thread who had used the word "day", except skyclaw441 who by his own words is a Christian...

So, Napoleon, who were you talking about?

Was it skyclaw?

blah blah blah, whatever you say genius :rolleyes:

Careful with the smartass comments, now...;)

[NOX2]

1 Word....religulous....look it up.

[THIS IS IMPORTANT GODDAMNIT]

the only christians with any brains are the sick twisted child molesters that are smart enough to not get caught FUCK JESUS

I might add that my old school chaplain could be one of those.

I heard from a friend that some drug dealer of his stole the chaplain's computer (to buy more drugs) and all kinds of fucked up porn along with pictures of nakes students from my friend's school:eek:

[blazer]

Nope, not all of them, some of them realizes that faith is a matter of belief, while science is a matter of fact.
The problem arises when one or more of them try to draw a parallel between the two concepts, that isn't there.

The way I see it, you either believe in one or the other, with all that may come of implications.

And BTW, that's how I feel about all religions, although the people I mostly get into arguments with, are christians and muslims...

I agree with this, you. Put it down better than I could have. I don't understand how people do not realize this.
To those how bring up the tecnology and why we are not as advanced as "we should be" fuck off! Look in your textbooks. There were dinosurs befor humans, if we lived back then, we would have all been dead due to them. There is evidence that there was life on earth 13 billion years ago. Homosapians were here only a few thousand years. For that technology bit, look how far we are. You obviously think you are smarter than everybody and think you create things like computers. I would like to see you try to prove to to me with hard evidence that proves that we are not as advenced as we could be and that your "god" created everything as is and as was

[Method of Madness]

I share your pain OP.

[RoundElephant]

Here is a documented case of me arguing with some religious retard over evolution:
hxxp://forum.rorta.net/showthread.php?t=2244&highlight=evolution

[Sponsored Link]

Considering the majority of atheists are quite a bit dumber than the majority of Christians, your argument is pretty much invalid.

[Feed_on_abortions]

Considering the majority of atheists are quite a bit dumber than the majority of Christians, your argument is pretty much invalid.

When did I mention that atheists were smarter, or superior in any way to Christians? Even if your baseless assumption was true, that doesn't nullify the fact that some christians are idiotic.

I guess I'll have to pull the "Jump to Conclusions" mat out again... It's really easy to play, kinda like Twister except they're totally different

[dontcallmeinsane]

Considering the majority of atheists are quite a bit dumber than the majority of Christians, your argument is pretty much invalid.

:facepalm: At least most atheists attempt to think for themselves.
Instead of being told to believe everything out a a book and not to question it.

[Tokerface]

Considering the majority of atheists are quite a bit dumber than the majority of Christians, your argument is pretty much invalid.

this

[13579]

Dude its not even worth arguing about to religious zealots anymore. My mom makes me :facepalm: every damn time I bring up science compared to religion. You cannot win when someone bases there entire existance off an imaginary man who has the whole universe in his arms like a puppet master.

You take that away from them you take there entire existance away.

Ahahaha, quoted for truth!

[Feed_on_abortions]

:facepalm: At least most atheists attempt to think for themselves.
Instead of being told to believe everything out a a book and not to question it.

This

It's idiotic not to question and blindly follow.

[Sponsored Link]

:facepalm: At least most atheists attempt to think for themselves.
Instead of being told to believe everything out a a book and not to question it.

Yes, because following the mornic idea that everyone is wrong and only your 13 year old self knows the truth is correct, right?

I'm a nihilist, of sorts. I don't believe in anything other than my own hedonistic bullshit. So, don't take this is words from a Christian. That said, the majority of atheists look down on everyone else and denounce religion to be oh so cool and rebellious. Get laid.

[Sponsored Link]

When did I mention that atheists were smarter, or superior in any way to Christians? Even if your baseless assumption was true, that doesn't nullify the fact that some christians are idiotic.

I guess I'll have to pull the "Jump to Conclusions" mat out again... It's really easy to play, kinda like Twister except they're totally different

Well, the term 'idiotic' is one used in relativity. I.e. one person is more stupid than another. Thus, when you claim someone is an idiot, that means the claimant is more intelligent. Unless, of course, you mean to say you're actually less intelligent than whomever you're arguing with. In which case I'd agree.

[negz]

:facepalm: At least most atheists attempt to think for themselves.

Not rly.

[Flatland]

That said, the majority of atheists look down on everyone else and denounce religion to be oh so cool and rebellious. Get laid.


Agreed.
Athiests I've met argue that God doesn't exist solely because there is no proof. To me this seems hypocritical. They think that people that believe in God are wrong because there is no proof it exists. But they believe God doesn't exist for the same reason. If there is no tangible evidence God exists, then there is no proof either way. I fail to see how the absence of proof is proof that God doesn't exist at all.

Anyway this is just representative of conversations I've had with Athiest's I know from school. Ones that seem alot like the kind "Sponsored Link" mentioned.

I know the Athiesm debate gets a lot more in depth than what I've mentioned, actually dealing with scientific theories and what not. I'm just lending contrast to the threadstarter's point, that it's not just Christians that are ignorant.

[Feed_on_abortions]

I'm going to say this once, I'm not an atheist, buddhist, scientologist, or anything. I simply accept what can be proven by facts and science. I associate myself with no organization.

[Sponsored Link]

Agreed.
Athiests I've met argue that God doesn't exist solely because there is no proof. To me this seems hypocritical. They think that people that believe in God are wrong because there is no proof it exists. But they believe God doesn't exist for the same reason. If there is no tangible evidence God exists, then there is no proof either way. I fail to see how the absence of proof is proof that God doesn't exist at all.

Anyway this is just representative of conversations I've had with Athiest's I know from school. Ones that seem alot like the kind "Sponsored Link" mentioned.

I know the Athiesm debate gets a lot more in depth than what I've mentioned, actually dealing with scientific theories and what not. I'm just lending contrast to the threadstarter's point, that it's not just Christians that are ignorant.

What gets me the most is when people with no understanding of string theory, high-level physics, etc, try to argue for atheism by going "LOL BIG BANG DUH" when they have no clue what the fuck they are talking about.

Personally, I believe in no deities, I don't think from my experiences there are any, and if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But, I could give a rats ass how ignorant zealots may be. There have, and always will be idiots.

[Sponsored Link]

I'm going to say this once, I'm not an atheist, buddhist, scientologist, or anything. I simply accept what can be proven by facts and science. I associate myself with no organization.

Such as?

[Feed_on_abortions]

Such as?

Such as what?

[13579]

I'm going to say this once, I'm not an atheist, buddhist, scientologist, or anything. I simply accept what can be proven by facts and science. I associate myself with no organization.

Ah, we share the same ideals it seems.

[Sponsored Link]

Such as what?

Well, what documented evidence do you base your worldview on?

[Feed_on_abortions]

Well, what documented evidence do you base your worldview on?

We're a random occurrence on a rock somewhere in the universe and I honestly don't give a fuck about "worldviews"

(Also, is it just me or does the word "worldviews" sound very pretentious?)

[dontcallmeinsane]

Yes, because following the mornic idea that everyone is wrong and only your 13 year old self knows the truth is correct, right?

I'm a nihilist, of sorts. I don't believe in anything other than my own hedonistic bullshit. So, don't take this is words from a Christian. That said, the majority of atheists look down on everyone else and denounce religion to be oh so cool and rebellious. Get laid.

I'm not an atheist myself. And yes i agree with what you're saying there about alot of atheist doing it to be rebellious and what not.

What i meant by thinking for themselves is that they take the time to think about the possibility that there is no God because science is a lot more credible than religion, in particular, a book written about some magician zapping the Earth into existence.

Granted they may not understand any of the science involved with how the Universe was created but science seems more credible, as we can see throughout modern day life.

Not rly.

See middle paragraph of above post

Agreed.
Athiests I've met argue that God doesn't exist solely because there is no proof. To me this seems hypocritical. They think that people that believe in God are wrong because there is no proof it exists. But they believe God doesn't exist for the same reason. If there is no tangible evidence God exists, then there is no proof either way. I fail to see how the absence of proof is proof that God doesn't exist at all.

Anyway this is just representative of conversations I've had with Athiest's I know from school. Ones that seem alot like the kind "Sponsored Link" mentioned.

I know the Athiesm debate gets a lot more in depth than what I've mentioned, actually dealing with scientific theories and what not. I'm just lending contrast to the threadstarter's point, that it's not just Christians that are ignorant.

Yes i also agree with what you're saying there. I don't label myself an atheist personally. But i do however, not believe in this God. I don't 'believe' in anything because like you said, there's no real proof for either side. I do however try to think more logically, and FOR ME, that means a natural beginning of the universe, as opposed to a divine intervention.
So yes, I can relate to atheist being just as ignorant as Christians too.

What gets me the most is when people with no understanding of string theory, high-level physics, etc, try to argue for atheism by going "LOL BIG BANG DUH" when they have no clue what the fuck they are talking about.

Personally, I believe in no deities, I don't think from my experiences there are any, and if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But, I could give a rats ass how ignorant zealots may be. There have, and always will be idiots.

And again i agree with the first part of your post there. As stated i am not one of these atheists myself, i just prefer their side of the argument, which is trying to think more logically. And for me, that means a natural phenomenon>religious divine intervention.

[dontcallmeinsane]

I'm going to say this once, I'm not an atheist, buddhist, scientologist, or anything. I simply accept what can be proven by facts and science. I associate myself with no organization.

Sorry for double post but this sums up my view also.

[Sponsored Link]

We're a random occurrence on a rock somewhere in the universe and I honestly don't give a fuck about "worldviews"

Well, I used world view instead of belief, because you probably would have thrown your tampon at me. But I digress. Wouldn't it be logical, that if there were a creator, or creators, he/she/it could make more than one spinning marble in space?

Again, not arguing on the side of any belief here. I just think I am what I am, and I don't have to label myself an atheist. By labeling yourself an atheist, you pretty much follow a set of rules and way of thinking, albeit in a more subtle way than religious folks.

[Sponsored Link]

I'm not an atheist myself. And yes i agree with what you're saying there about alot of atheist doing it to be rebellious and what not.

What i meant by thinking for themselves is that they take the time to think about the possibility that there is no God because science is a lot more credible than religion, in particular, a book written about some magician zapping the Earth into existence.

Well, to be fair to those who do cling to a faith, they could be slightly erroneous in their interpretation of a creator. The only issue I have with science as a method of belief or disbelief is that science still tells you what to believe. I know its a shitty example, but we have cured incurable diseases, we have put humans in climates and areas unimaginable, and we have done many more things once deemed impossible by science. Sure, science has never been as thorough or as precise as it is now, but there is room for error. Just keep an open mind, is all I'm saying.


Granted they may not understand any of the science involved with how the Universe was created but science seems more credible, as we can see throughout modern day life.

And again i agree with the first part of your post there. As stated i am not one of these atheists myself, i just prefer their side of the argument, which is trying to think more logically. And for me, that means a natural phenomenon>religious divine intervention.

Agreed, I agree more with the non-religious side of the debate, and don't have the slightest inclination to follow any religion, but I do not look down on people for clinging to their ideals. Hell, all any of us have to work by is perception. Who's right or wrong?

[Feed_on_abortions]

Well, I used world view instead of belief, because you probably would have thrown your tampon at me.

Childish insults... I didn't resort to them, why must you?

But I digress. Wouldn't it be logical, that if there were a creator, or creators, he/she/it could make more than one spinning marble in space?

Sure?

Again, not arguing on the side of any belief here. I just think I am what I am, and I don't have to label myself an atheist. By labeling yourself an atheist, you pretty much follow a set of rules and way of thinking, albeit in a more subtle way than religious folks.

When did I say that I am an atheist? Why are you bringing it up? And why do I care?

[Sponsored Link]

Childish insults... I didn't resort to them, why must you?

Hell, someone has to.




Sure?


Why did I quote this one?



When did I say that I am an atheist? Why are you bringing it up? And why do I care?

Well, I asked for your amazing factual bulletproof evidence, and got nothing so far.

[bang]

just sit down and put some time in and get your head around it. THere is s o much evidence the world is what is today from billions of years of growth and development.

Of course, christians dont want to put hte time in and get their head around it so they go for the easy explanation. God did it.

[EllisD]

[QUOTE=Feed_on_abortions;53710](Long story warning to all of you ADHD riddled fucktards)



lol thats so true
sometimes its a pain to read posts longer than a couple of sentences long hahah
anyways, that lady needs to be shot.

[dontcallmeinsane]

Well, to be fair to those who do cling to a faith, they could be slightly erroneous in their interpretation of a creator. The only issue I have with science as a method of belief or disbelief is that science still tells you what to believe. I know its a shitty example, but we have cured incurable diseases, we have put humans in climates and areas unimaginable, and we have done many more things once deemed impossible by science. Sure, science has never been as thorough or as precise as it is now, but there is room for error. Just keep an open mind, is all I'm saying.

Agreed there's room for error, and that is why i keep an open mind, by not labeling myself under any organization.

Agreed, I agree more with the non-religious side of the debate, and don't have the slightest inclination to follow any religion, but I do not look down on people for clinging to their ideals. Hell, all any of us have to work by is perception. Who's right or wrong?

Yeah, i just don't think Christians question their beliefs and whether these mythical stories from the bible could actually happen. And that's partly because they're told not to, or else they'll go to hell.

just sit down and put some time in and get your head around it. THere is s o much evidence the world is what is today from billions of years of growth and development.

Of course, christians dont want to put hte time in and get their head around it so they go for the easy explanation. God did it.

I agree.

[bang]

it really is that simple. all this jesus and bible shit just makes it complicated for you. if only christians would take a step back and see how absurd and rediculous their belief is... I mean, they do it for other religins. also you can use the age old mythological gods arguement on them

[dontcallmeinsane]

Yes, i also think the fear of realizing that there is no God, or afterlife, scares them away from pondering other means of the universe coming to be.

[Feed_on_abortions]

Well, I asked for your amazing factual bulletproof evidence, and got nothing so far.

Evidence on what?

[Sponsored Link]

Evidence on what?

Evidence that leads you to denounce all else other than atheism.

[Sponsored Link]

Yeah, i just don't think Christians question their beliefs and whether these mythical stories from the bible could actually happen. And that's partly because they're told not to, or else they'll go to hell.


Well, some of the best thinkers currently alive are somewhat devout Christians. So I don't think ignorance plays that large of a part.

[Rocky]

Considering the majority of atheists are quite a bit dumber than the majority of Christians, your argument is pretty much invalid.


Yeah people who believe in a sanctuary in the clouds and that people were made out of dirt are much more intelligent then people who believe in science and fact.
Silly cunt

[Feed_on_abortions]

Evidence that leads you to denounce all else other than atheism.

I am not an atheist, but I will say that I never said there was any evidence, it's just a matter of opinion.

[oranges]

This'll sound "stupid", but I don't think you blow down God with reason.
He's probably above that. And you're not.

[Feed_on_abortions]

This'll sound "stupid", but I don't think you blow down God with reason.
He's probably above that. And you're not.

:picard:

[Sponsored Link]

Yeah people who believe in a sanctuary in the clouds and that people were made out of dirt are much more intelligent then people who believe in science and fact.
Silly cunt

Religion (most likely) started as grounds to explain that which people did not comprehend. What happens after you die? We don't know for sure now, and two thousand years ago we knew even less. Besides, religion keeps people somewhat happy and pretty complacent, whether they know it or not. I don't think intelligence has anything to do with belief. Would it be too far of a stretch to say someone more intelligent than yourself possibly has different ideas, and that doesn't completely discredit them?

[JustAnotherAsshole]

I think Christianity needs to get with the times. Change, Adapt (..Evolve..), because Christianity at this point is getting in the way of knowledge and scientific progress. If you've got millions of kids growing up in America who honestly and truly believe that the Bible is the final authority on all matters and that science is not (Which we have), it's going to cause trouble later on. I don't see any good reason why Christians can't believe that God guides and controls evolution, rather than their current theory: "MY UNCLE IS NOT A MONKEY!"

Religion holds back science. It's been doing that since the fucking middle ages.

[bang]

you see, I respect religion. I haveno problem with people havingtheir own beliefs. but when you bend the religion to justify a means, or preach to me that it is the right way to live, and that it is made the dominant religion and backing for the country I live in, then yes. fuck religion. specially christianity. stop brain washing our kids. god didn't save you from 911 and he won't save you in the future

[Rocky]

religion keeps people somewhat happy and pretty complacent

Yeah blowing people up in the name of your god is extremely cheerful.

[negz]

What i meant by thinking for themselves is that they take the time to think about the possibility that there is no God because science is a lot more credible than religion, in particular, a book written about some magician zapping the Earth into existence.

Again. Not rly. Most of the atheist I've conversed with are just following a trend or pissed off that mommy makes them go to Church.

[Feed_on_abortions]

Again. Not rly. Most of the atheist I've conversed with are just following a trend or pissed off that mommy makes them go to Church.

The same can be said about most christians I've conversed with, except they like church.

[negz]

So, one is really not better than the other. Glad we agree.

[Feed_on_abortions]

So, one is really not better than the other. Glad we agree.

Yes, I'm not really fond of atheists or christians.

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Yeah blowing people up in the name of your god is extremely cheerful.

To use an equally stupid and extremist argument, what about all the humans killed in experiments? Should we condem science since humans have been killed by it?

[Rocky]

To use an equally stupid and extremist argument, what about all the humans killed in experiments? Should we condem science since humans have been killed by it?

In experiments about religion? Which is the topic at hand? I doubt any were killed.

[dontcallmeinsane]

In experiments about religion? Which is the topic at hand? I doubt any were killed.

He's comparing deaths caused by religious beliefs, to deaths caused in the name of science (medical experiments etc etc).
I don't follow that argument but, that's what he was referring to, not about experiments about religion.

[Rocky]

He's comparing deaths caused by religious beliefs, to deaths caused in the name of science (medical experiments etc etc).
I don't follow that argument but, that's what he was referring to, not about experiments about religion.

Well thats stupid. Why wouldn't we compare deaths from science, which are about religion, or how the earth was made, instead of ALL SCIENCE that has taken place. I don't see how medical testing, and perfume product testing has anything to do with religion, so if he is going to bring up the point, make it relevant.

[Sponsored Link]

Well thats stupid. Why wouldn't we compare deaths from science, which are about religion, or how the earth was made, instead of ALL SCIENCE that has taken place. I don't see how medical testing, and perfume product testing has anything to do with religion, so if he is going to bring up the point, make it relevant.

You: "Well religion is bullshit because people blow themselves up for it"
Me: "That's kinda far fetched, but by the same logic, science is bullshit because people have been killed and tortured for the advancement of it".
You: LOL THAS STUPED

[Rocky]

religion keeps people somewhat happy and pretty complacent

Actually, this is why I brought up the bombings, death, and every thing bad about religion (100% of it)

Now, it might be me, I am not sure, but getting shot and bombed because some towlheaded mother fucker wants to praize some cunt in the sky just doesn't make sense. It does not make sense. Chewbacca.

[Im Bored]

Christian's are fucking annoying, my cousins are christian's and they piss me off and constantly dodge the fact they can't prove gods real.

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Christian's are fucking annoying, my cousins are christian's and they piss me off and constantly dodge the fact they can't prove gods real.

You' cant' argue' whe'n y'ou 'dont kno'w ho'w to' us'e 'apostraphe's prop'erly.

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Actually, this is why I brought up the bombings, death, and every thing bad about religion (100% of it)

Now, it might be me, I am not sure, but getting shot and bombed because some towlheaded mother fucker wants to praize some cunt in the sky just doesn't make sense. It does not make sense. Chewbacca.

Getting killed in a concentration camp because science proved I am unworthy of life seems kinda sketch, doesn't it?

[wit]

The cross over from fundie to evolution is funny though, some of the questions and poor grasps of the concept you get I mean. One that sticks in mind, from a third party was the assumption that "chinese evolved from crocodiles".
I'm godless but "new atheists" piss me off when they don't realise that badgering people for wrong beliefs is exactly what all the religions do. You don't need to replace religion with something else, at least I've never felt the need to. Knowing that its a load of crap is enough. Everything blamed on religion is human condition, even if the people themselves that fly into buildings, launch crusades and mess up kids heads attribute it to their chosen belief system. People who desperately want to convert others to rational, critical thinking (although the world would be a better place) are only half way there in terms of being atheist. The conversion aspect is what gives rise to religion in the first place.

[Jordan]

One time the world was like "lawl lets build a tower to teh heavens so we can see jesus" and everyone was like "cool k." The tower was pretty badass but god was like "oh hell no yall niggas betta get the fuck down" so now we have different languages.

[Slapshot]

Actually, this is why I brought up the bombings, death, and every thing bad about religion (100% of it)

Now, it might be me, I am not sure, but getting shot and bombed because some towlheaded mother fucker wants to praize some cunt in the sky just doesn't make sense. It does not make sense. Chewbacca.

This is a typical athiest "argument", ridiculing religious beliefs.

I'd say that half of the posts in this thread from people who claim to be athiest use ad-hominem arguments, placing them no higher on the intellectual scale than religious zealots. :crap:

[Feed_on_abortions]

One time the world was like "lawl lets build a tower to teh heavens so we can see jesus" and everyone was like "cool k." The tower was pretty badass but god was like "oh hell no yall niggas betta get the fuck down" so now we have different languages.

And then jesus told noah to build a boat and shit cuz "IT GON RAIN AND YOU GOTTA SAVE EVERY ANIMAL EVER", but the unicrons wer late an they wer all like SHEEIIITTTT

[The Jitterskull]

The guy who created that metaphorical story for the bible probably based it around "earth time".
Since, if it was pluto, a day there could be forever. We define time... which makes the '7 day' thing make no sense.

[Irukanji]

Noah has been disproved. Kangaroo's/platypus/animals native to aus werent exactly known(by whites) until ~250 years ago. Theres not much proof of this giant "arc"(although they recon they found it. In a book i read they also say there was more then 1 of these so called "noah's". But if the bible say's you can have incest, then WTF?

And slap that bitch for me. Anyone so involved in religion needs to die(unless your, say, buddhist and dont really care about everyone else.)

[Irukanji]

Look at the religious mother fuckers who burnt down the library of alexandria and the library in baghdad(the ancient one though). Also the libraries in germany during ww1 and 2. We lost a FUCK load of information, which may just have increased our knowledge enough to be in a much better state then we are in now. Something like 1 million scrolls of information were burnt because "they taught the ways of the enemy".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_burning

WTF's there problems.

[Slapshot]

Politicians are just as guilty of crimes against society as religious zealots, if not more so. Where's the backlash? Leads me to believe there's more to anti-theism as is evident in these posts.

[HektikNinja]

didn't read any posts just wanted to say yes.

[Shaggy]

I feel your pain man, i really do.
You really cannot win an argument with these ignorant illogical fucktards who have their wonderful afterlife and God drilled into their head.
This is the truth. I have learned, long ago that it is a waste of time and effort to try to convince them otherwise. No matter what you throw at them, even if you stump them, I will always get this in reply, "I'm just going to agree to disagree." And few things are more frustrating then that.

[THIS IS IMPORTANT GODDAMNIT]

bitchy "enlightened" athiests prove their own logical short-comings by pursuing pointless arguments with naive christians.

You honestly have to wonder which of the two parties is more retarded.

[Feed_on_abortions]

bitchy "enlightened" athiests prove their own logical short-comings by pursuing pointless arguments with naive christians.

You honestly have to wonder which of the two parties is more retarded.

I wish I could be as cool as this guy someday...

:rolleyes:

[fourpercent]

Getting killed in a concentration camp because science proved I am unworthy of life seems kinda sketch, doesn't it?

Your argument is interesting.

If you're talking about Hitler (which seems more than likely) then those people died because of the opinion (and oral skills) of one man. He took the findings of a scientist and interpreted them as proof of his own opinion and then he killed many many people. Science did not prove that the *insert race of choice here* are unworthy of life, Hitler decided they were.

Interestingly, similar things happen in religion. Men and women use religion as a reason to act out terrible things. And obviously, lots of people die in the name of "their cause." But in most cases, religion itself is not to blame. Rarely does a religious document tell people to act violently against others, usually it is the opposite. (Although some middle eastern religions seem to ignore a few basic human rights)

The problem is, we find more "religious" people killing for "their cause" than non-religious people.

With the obvious exception of Buddhists of course :D

[dontcallmeinsane]

I wish I could be as cool as this guy someday...

:rolleyes:

Yeah tell me about it. I wish i was too cool for arguments and discussions too.

:rolleyes:

[THIS IS IMPORTANT GODDAMNIT]

I wish I could be as cool as this guy someday...

:rolleyes:

Lolsm your summarised argument is better den mine lolz, therefore you are a geeik!@$#


also i iz lyks gonna do the roll eyes to somehow validate my post :rolleyes: lolololssss


How about this one? :facepalm:

These days the fiercest of internet arguing techniques seems to be acting like exasperated or sarcastic.

PRO TIP: IT DOESNT MAKE YOU LOOK SMART ;)


EDIT: also, don't be too butthurt that someone's willing to argue with you, I'm sure you came here looking for validification of your stupid, pointless endeavours, but not EVERYONE is as close minded as you!

Than again we're talking about a guy whose title promoted the question "is the entire population of this group the same as the few i've talked to?"

[area 51 trespasser]

i like your user name op

[mxs]

I am Christian, and I believe that God created the earth using science and evolution as tools, in 7 equal periods of time. I mean, who says one day here is a day for God? I do feel your pain, though.

5: And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

That sounds like one day on earth.

8: And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Hmm sounds like like a second day on planet earth.

I think you know where im going with this.

Also,

13: And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.

I didn't know that god even named countries :eek:

Also

21: And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22: And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

So your saying that god just makes him fall asleep somehow and then while hes sleeping cuts him open, takes a rib out of him, closes his flesh back up and makes another person out of it.

I could go on for days just going through the bible and finding bullshit accounts in it. Religion was created to control the masses back in ancient history and just got way out of control. To some extent there are Christians that just do there own thing and that's fine but its people like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCh2FXzD6R4 that make me think religion is bad

P.S. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSwZJ55g80Q LOL

[RoundElephant]

There is no arguing with Christians because no matter what logic you throw at them they will just be faithful.
If someone isn't religious they will often change their mind about a topic if you make convincing points.

[Irukanji]

Hitler was christian. The jews stopped the german banks from sending money to the vatican, so he got pissed off and killed them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_hitler#Religious_beliefs

Religion caused it.(world war 2)

[Kwinnie Bogan]

I reheheheheheaaaaaaaaaley hope you're trolling.

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Hitler was christian. The jews stopped the german banks from sending money to the vatican, so he got pissed off and killed them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_hitler#Religious_beliefs

Religion caused it.(world war 2)

So why did he kill several hundred thousand Catholics?

[skinny love]

christianity is a mental disorder.

[area 51 trespasser]

christianity is a bad mental disorder.

fixed

[Feed_on_abortions]

Than again we're talking about a guy whose title promoted the question "is the entire population of this group the same as the few i've talked to?"

That's why I asked a question and did fucking claim that all christians are brainless mongoloid sheep. I wonder why asking a fucking question struck such a sensitive nerve and got your panties all in a fucking bunch and made you argue with me when all you could've said was "No, not all christians are idiotic.". It seems the methods of discussion on the internet have evolved into useless fucking arguments that don't further the discussion, but only succeed in infuriating the participants and achieving fucking nothing.

[Sponsored Link]

Your argument is interesting.

If you're talking about Hitler (which seems more than likely) then those people died because of the opinion (and oral skills) of one man. He took the findings of a scientist and interpreted them as proof of his own opinion and then he killed many many people. Science did not prove that the *insert race of choice here* are unworthy of life, Hitler decided they were.

Interestingly, similar things happen in religion. Men and women use religion as a reason to act out terrible things. And obviously, lots of people die in the name of "their cause." But in most cases, religion itself is not to blame. Rarely does a religious document tell people to act violently against others, usually it is the opposite. (Although some middle eastern religions seem to ignore a few basic human rights)

The problem is, we find more "religious" people killing for "their cause" than non-religious people.

With the obvious exception of Buddhists of course :D

Didn't read your post. You realize I'm responding with a completely unsound answer, because I'm arguing on the same level as that douche, right?

[THIS IS IMPORTANT GODDAMNIT]

That's why I asked a question and did fucking claim that all christians are brainless mongoloid sheep. I wonder why asking a fucking question struck such a sensitive nerve and got your panties all in a fucking bunch and made you argue with me when all you could've said was "No, not all christians are idiotic.". It seems the methods of discussion on the internet have evolved into useless fucking arguments that don't further the discussion, but only succeed in infuriating the participants and achieving fucking nothing.

Me getting MY panties in a bunch?

All I did was put a new argument in the mix to which YOU responded to not with "argument or discussion" but with a childish insult...

"lol, you disagree with my "holy enlightened venedetta", maybe I can use my cunning wit to like discredit your knew argument by sarcastically implying that you are a nerd lolz, im a GENIOUS, i'll use the rolleyes smiley for EVEN MORE unwarranted effect!"

Oh, and by the way, I know my satrical reply to your dismissive "argument" may have hirt a little, but that doesn't mean it's a "nerve struck lash out", merely a joke at your expense.

I find it interesting though, that in the very post that you stupidly accuse me of "having my panties in a bunch" you go on to have an internet fit about the fact that I actually put out an argument against your intelligence in response to your mindless insult, rather than politely and submissively declaring (even though this isnt at all what I was arguing) "No, not all christians are idiotic".

I said this before and I'll say it again, If you arent prepared for someone to argue against what are posting, you shouldn't be posting at all.

Oh, by the way, notice how I didnt at all use sarcastic smileys or facepalm smileys to add emotive appeal to my argument? You should try it, it might give your anti-christian arguments some credibility ;)

[Jo0]

I am Christian, and I believe that God created the earth using science and evolution as tools, in 7 equal periods of time. I mean, who says one day here is a day for God? I do feel your pain, though.

You are the first christian I have respect for.

[SHARP]

To some extent there are Christians that just do there own thing and that's fine but its people like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCh2FXzD6R4 that make me think religion is bad

I'm only a minute and a half through, and I don't know whether to laugh my ass off or cry my eyes out...

What a complete and utter retard, and she should go on a fucking diet - setting off seismographs all over the place when you're walking, is guaranteed to piss off someone.

[Alpha Rhino]

"lol, you disagree with my "holy enlightened venedetta", maybe I can use my cunning wit to like discredit your knew argument by sarcastically implying that you are a nerd lolz, im a GENIOUS, i'll use the rolleyes smiley for EVEN MORE unwarranted effect!
You seem to spend more time attacking the person's argumentation than actually arguing.
Call me crazy but I've always thought this was the lowest common denominator of debate.

[THIS IS IMPORTANT GODDAMNIT]

You seem to spend more time attacking the person's argumentation than actually arguing.
Call me crazy but I've always thought this was the lowest common denominator of debate.

I only bought that up because that's what started the argument in the first place. Of course this is obvious if you don't choose to remain oblivious to everything else I've written.

To OP: This is the argument that I tried to bring up before you mindlessly shot it down:

What is the point of arguing with christians who whether or not are amazingly ignorant, will not submit to your arguments because of faith?

Furthermore, what is the point of continually doing this if it causes you grief?

Doing something unproductive that causes you unhappiness, in my books at least, is ILLOGICAL behavior, and illogical behavior coming from someone whose main argument is based on logic is rather a paradox.

Bon apetite.

[Alpha Rhino]

Of course this is obvious if you don't choose to remain oblivious to everything else I've written.
I choose to ignore it because it was mostly irrelevant banter which presented virtually nothing that had not been said already. Uh-oh, looks like I'm not practicing what I preach. :cool:

[THIS IS IMPORTANT GODDAMNIT]

I choose to ignore it because it was mostly irrelevant banter which presented virtually nothing that had not been said already. Uh-oh, looks like I'm not practicing what I preach. :cool:

Keep telling yourself that. It's OK buddy, choosing amongst my posts what to argue with is very smart behavior *nods head*. Doing so means that you can weigh up what you can and can't argue with, which means you can avoid the "hard stuff"

dun duna naah!! and what did alpha rhyno choose?

He chose to butt into an argument irrelevant to him and give his own, two Freudian cents on the situation!

"You seem to spend more time attacking the person's argumentation than actually arguing."

This is called attacking the person's credibility my friend, and I only did it because our master and savior, the OP, didn't engage in my original argument with counter points and rebuttals, but rather childish insults, sarcasm and smileys :D.

"Call me crazy but I've always thought this was the lowest common denominator of debate."

You arent crazy my friend, just limited to your own stupid opinions, so don't feel so bad that this thread thin "decloration" of yours feels so "crazy".

[Alpha Rhino]

Keep telling yourself that. It's OK buddy, choosing amongst my posts what to argue with is very smart behavior *nods head*. Doing so means that you can weigh up what you can and can't argue with, which means you can avoid the "hard stuff"

dun duna naah!! and what did alpha rhyno choose?

He chose to butt into an argument irrelevant to him and give his own, two Freudian cents on the situation!

"You seem to spend more time attacking the person's argumentation than actually arguing."

This is called attacking the person's credibility my friend, and I only did it because our master and savior, the OP, didn't engage in my original argument with counter points and rebuttals, but rather childish insults, sarcasm and smileys :D.

"Call me crazy but I've always thought this was the lowest common denominator of debate."

You arent crazy my friend, just limited to your own stupid opinions, so don't feel so bad that this thread thin "decloration" of yours feels so "crazy".
Like OP said, I think you're today's champion of "Jump to Conclusions!". Also, thank you for pointing out what the entire point of my posts were. Most of your posts are based on making illogical assumptions from what people are trying to convey. I guess attacking someone's rhetoric and making assumptions is the hierarchy of arguing for you. Also, sue me for joining a thread, I think that's what this forum was made for, although I could be wrong.

[THIS IS IMPORTANT GODDAMNIT]

Like OP said, I think you're today's champion of "Jump to Conclusions!". Also, thank you for pointing out what the entire point of my posts were. Most of your posts are based on making illogical assumptions from what people are trying to convey. I guess attacking someone's rhetoric and making assumptions is the hierarchy of arguing for you. Also, sue me for joining a thread, I think that's what this forum was made for, although I could be wrong.

Illogical assumptions? The only thing you've done since coming into this thread is try and take a stab at me for arguing with the OP, you havent contributed anything at all and have instead baselessly accused me of being a tool for arguing with the OP.

When someone like yourself comes into a thread and gives no content, opinion or anything, all I can do is point out what you have offered, which is very little and do my best to analyse it.

Prove one Illogical thing i've said in all my posts that isnt satrical and i'll give you a medal for having actually been specific rather than the overcoat of generalisation that is your last post.

Oh and by the way, pulling out the "assumption" card isnt going to do you any good either. Obviously when you're talking (or in our case arguing) with a person you have to assume to a degree what they mean.

It get's a little harder when pussies like you come in and stick to the safe side of arguing, which consists of unproven theories, wide generalisations, carefully chosen rebuttals, ignorance of wider arguments and overall lack of content in posts.

By the way, if you think the use of a wide vocabulary and creative language is going to somehow make your contentless arguments have any weight, you are stupider than the OP.

[Young Meth]

i find it mind boggling that anyone smart could believe literally in any of that.. most of the christians i know have admitted at some point that they don't buy it all.. some have even said it's probably false but they like the ideas.

only really big idiots could miss the really fake scam

[Alpha Rhino]

Illogical assumptions? The only thing you've done since coming into this thread is try and take a stab at me for arguing with the OP, you havent contributed anything at all and have instead baselessly accused me of being a tool for arguing with the OP.

When someone like yourself comes into a thread and gives no content, opinion or anything, all I can do is point out what you have offered, which is very little and do my best to analyse it.

Prove one Illogical thing i've said in all my posts that isnt satrical and i'll give you a medal for having actually been specific rather than the overcoat of generalisation that is your last post.

Oh and by the way, pulling out the "assumption" card isnt going to do you any good either. Obviously when you're talking (or in our case arguing) with a person you have to assume to a degree what they mean.

It get's a little harder when pussies like you come in and stick to the safe side of arguing, which consists of unproven theories, wide generalisations, carefully chosen rebuttals, ignorance of wider arguments and overall lack of content in posts.

By the way, if you think the use of a wide vocabulary and creative language is going to somehow make your contentless arguments have any weight, you are stupider than the OP.

You know, all of that ranting coming at me at once is kind of making me light-headed, so I'll just do the safe thing here like you pointed out and assume it's the same thing from the same demigod POV about how I'm stupid and so is everyone else. :fap:

[THIS IS IMPORTANT GODDAMNIT]

You know, all of that ranting coming at me at once is kind of making me light-headed, so I'll just do the safe thing here like you pointed out and assume it's the same thing from the same demigod POV about how I'm stupid and so is everyone else. :fap:

If you submit now I'll take you under my wing...

If you choose to fight on :mad:

Seriously though, you couldn't prove my point any harder if you tried.


ANYWAY


OP OP OP!

ARGUE AGAINST MY EARLIER POINT DAMMIT :mad:

[Slave of the Beast]

Thankfully creationism is largely an American disease; European Christians tend not to take the Bible quite so literally. Although we still have our fair share of religious retards and cretins.

[Irukanji]

So why did he kill several hundred thousand Catholics?

They got in his way.

[cadel]

but if he was real why do people die why does he torture the innicent a , how could he stand around and let citys burn and eco systems crummble if god was accounted for his sins he would be found guillty of murder rape neggilence theft genocided:)

[kracker]

Thankfully creationism is largely an American disease; European Christians tend not to take the Bible quite so literally. Although we still have our fair share of religious retards and cretins.

That's very true, when I was in France, one of the most catholic christian nations around, most people went to church sometimes, but overall had a very accepting view of science; since Europeans in general believe that science helps a lot, so they kind of just separate their beliefs from science and are able to believe in evolution, etc. I'm Canadian, and I feel more comfortable in mainland Europe compared to the UK or the USA.

[Feed_on_abortions]

O hai guys what did I miss?

Sorry I've been gone, my internet connection decided to go fucknuts