Gender and Sex

[MetaThink18]

I'm interesting in having an educated discussion about gender (let's see if this can happen...)

For instance, should gender stereotypes be upheld? Are men really not supposed to cry and do women really just belong in the kitchen and the bedroom?

What are your thoughts on the current feminist movement? How about organizations such as Men Against Violence?

Is gender malleable? How about discerning the differences between sex and gender (Sex: biological, gender: socially constructed)? Will there ever be gender equality?

How about the role of religion/culture/biology in gender-equality, rights for men and women?

Let it all out...lets hear your thoughts...

[pleasure_to_burn]

Shut your fucking vagina.

[MetaThink18]

Shut your fucking vagina.

You are worthless and uneducated.

[pleasure_to_burn]

You are worthless and uneducated.

No, I'm heterosexual. Why don't you go get in touch with your feminine side somewhere else?

[MetaThink18]

No, I'm heterosexual. Why don't you go get in touch with your feminine side somewhere else?

I am a female.

[MetaThink18]

Ps. What does you being heterosexual have to do with you being able to contribute, intelligently, to a discussion of this nature? Even if you had just written, "bitchez are for giving me head" we could have gone somewhere.

Any MOD should close this thread; clearly Zoklet is too uneducated and closed-minded to talk about this issue.

[pleasure_to_burn]

I am a female.

Aren't you special. Gender relations is not about equality, but rather a symbiosis. Do you know what that means, Ms. Educated? Take a college psychology class and you will understand what I'm talking about. Each sex has a role, they fulfill these roles for the survival of the species. One could not exist without the other.

Your attitude tells me 2 things:
-You are ugly, because only ugly girls complain about being oppressed. Hot girls are idolized, given every opportunity, and generally a lot more slack than the rest of the population. A hot girl doesn't even need to have skills to make money in this world, all she needs to do is maintain her good looks.

-You are sexually repressed/fat permavirgin/maladjusted. As a woman, you should be comfortable getting dominated and plowed.

TL; DR feminists are idiots.

[Launchpad]

Women are biologically suited to serve men/rear children.

Men are suited for providing for and defending the family unit.

This is why men are bigger, stronger, more aggressive, and more competitive both in sports and in a workplace environment.

...

This is not to say that our society hasn't moved past these gender roles, just that when it comes down to it there is indeed a 'natural' role for men and women.

[MetaThink18]

You are a douchebag - you know absolutely nothing about me and your accusations are fucking stupid.

- First of, when did you get the indication that I was/am a feminist? I merely started up with some questions, with the interest of knowing more about what other people think, that is all. I am not looking for personal attacks.

- Second, you attacking my physical features and level of education is non-sequitor. I don't need to defend my appearance, although I am in very good shape. (5'8, 135)

- Thirdly, I am not a virgin, nor maladjusted.

- Fourth, clearly you have no understanding of gender and sex relations. Perhaps you should take some classes in sociology of gender, literature, politics, anthropology.

The only interesting part of your post was:

"Gender relations is not about equality, but rather a symbiosis. Do you know what that means, Ms. Educated? Take a college psychology class and you will understand what I'm talking about. Each sex has a role, they fulfill these roles for the survival of the species. One could not exist without the other."

You should have probably started out with that.

[SLIM]

I am a female.

That explains why your posts are stupid.

[pleasure_to_burn]

http://www.lifeisajoke.com/Pictures/backtothekitchen.jpg

Awfully defensive there eh?
If you don't want people to argue with you don't post.

[MetaThink18]

I don't see how debunking your accusations are "defensive" but alright, I respect your opinion.

[pleasure_to_burn]

I don't see how debunking your accusations are "defensive" but alright, I respect your opinion.
Because you are defending yourself against the verbal attacks of someone you will never meet.

K fatass. I need pictures if you want to debunk properly.

[MetaThink18]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2442/3690911352_e581d7bc1a.jpg?v=0

From my Flickr account, at my friend's 21st birthday.

Not a direct facial shot for privacy reasons. I'm sure you understand.

[LavaRed]

Physically, evolution (or intelligent design, creation, or whatever mechanism you favour), seem to have equipped males and females for certain particular tasks. However, modern society has opened a great number of possibilities for the individual, which have showed that, on an individual basis, gender and sex are not necessarily the same thing.
However, on average, men and women will always tend to be better at certain things, which are particular to their gender. Most women will always be better housekeepers and most men will be better construction workers. This doesn't preclude individuals who break the norm, but the fact that such things as motherhood in the female and the fighting instinct in the male are wired into us powerfully suggest that sex and gender generally go hand in hand.
From my own personal experience as someone who can slip into either gender role at will, I prefer gender flexibility, even tho I will always be, fundamentally, a male.

[Generic Box Of Cookies]

I'd be willing to talk about this via MSN if you have it. My MSN address is in my profile.

[earthsgone]

Well this thread degenerated to shit pretty quickly.

I'm disappointed.

[Generic Box Of Cookies]

Well this thread degenerated to shit pretty quickly.

I'm disappointed.


It did. :(

[pleasure_to_burn]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2442/3690911352_e581d7bc1a.jpg?v=0

From my Flickr account, at my friend's 21st birthday.

Not a direct facial shot for privacy reasons. I'm sure you understand.

as in to hide uglyness

[MetaThink18]

Something that I have encountered in regards to some women (some is key word) is that while many women plead/work for freedom of gender expression and attempt to debunk gender stereotypes, they will still react negatively if they see any man crying, expressing emotion, or doing anything that is not deemed masculine. Its important to recognize that there double-standards when it comes to a man's ability to express gender differently.

[Syphilis]

For instance, should gender stereotypes be upheld? Are men really not supposed to cry and do women really just belong in the kitchen and the bedroom?

Men and women are biologically different. So, it's not discrimination when they are treated differently.

Is gender malleable? How about discerning the differences between sex and gender (Sex: biological, gender: socially constructed)? Will there ever be gender equality?

No. You'll get a few transsexuals, but they are freaks of nature. That's not my opinion, that's just statistics

[JoePedo]

Why don't you go get in touch with your feminine side somewhere else?

I am a female.

Why don't you go touch your feminine side right here on live webcam for our benefit?

(someone had to say it)

For instance, should gender stereotypes be upheld? Are men really not supposed to cry and do women really just belong in the kitchen and the bedroom?

As a firm believer in the anarchy of the individual... my answer is "fuck that." It's pretty universal. People are people, not roles.

What are your thoughts on the current feminist movement? How about organizations such as Men Against Violence?

I don't hang out with every right-wing front group that comes along, so I honestly have no idea. Modern feminism is doing very well, and hasn't really changed in "modern" times.

Is gender malleable?

Identity, apparently not, for those people who have them. Role, almost certainly.

How about discerning the differences between sex and gender (Sex: biological, gender: socially constructed)?

You just did.

Will there ever be gender equality?

Seeing as you didn't say "sex equality," that's a very interesting question.

Just to jack the discourse in a random analysis... Consider the following sentences : "A part of the body not viewable on prime-time brodcast television is withdrawn from the clothing. The infant sucks. A white, protien-filled fluid comes forth. The infant swallows."

There is no way to tell the sex of any of the parties. Do your views on "appropriate" gender roles cause you to view this exchange differently when visualizing one sex versus another? If so, why?

How about the role of religion/culture/biology in gender-equality, rights for men and women?

Let it all out...lets hear your thoughts...

I'd suggest that culture is all. Gender roles aren't even particularly consistent from society to society, nor are they even consistent across class within the same society. Biology doesn't determine much other than actually giving birth. Religion... well, that's just a perversion of culture to blame it on invisible people in the sky, mostly, isn't it? I mean, sure, if one has an enlightened breakthrough into the equanimity of all living things, it kills gender (or other) roles, but otherwise... culture.

So... yeah. Annoying, disgusting, coercive cultural homogeny. Sigh...

[JoePedo]

Something that I have encountered in regards to some women (some is key word) is that while many women plead/work for freedom of gender expression and attempt to debunk gender stereotypes, they will still react negatively if they see any man crying, expressing emotion, or doing anything that is not deemed masculine...

...or for that matter, denigrate their sexual competition as "sluts."

Its important to recognize that there double-standards when it comes to a man's ability to express gender differently.

Luckily, though, culture can usually always be broken by sufficient personal strength. :D

[yawanur]

Where in MA do you live? :D