Do aliens exist?

[Mashleshmash]

Well I just got done watching the movie "Fire in The Sky", and it got me thinking about my stance on whether or not aliens really exist. My conclusion is that it would be highly ignorant just to dismiss other extraterrestrial beings and claim that we are the only ones out there out of the millions of galaxies.

Another thing I was thinking about is I wonder how they go about with the whole religion aspect, or if they even have a god/gods.

So zoklet, what do you guys make of this? Are aliens real? And if you do indeed believe they are, do you think they've attempted to make contact with us? Or are all the abduction reports, etc just bullshit?

[5024L]

According to driveby they are, and Greyfox is one, and they control our government.

[Mashleshmash]

According to driveby they are, and Greyfox is one, and they control our government.

Ah fuck...I hope Driveby doesnt come spew his weird ass theories in this thread.

[5024L]

Ah fuck...I hope Driveby doesnt come spew his weird ass theories in this thread.
The libraries aren't open yet so he can't.

[Snoopy]

What if aliens turn out to be black?

[5024L]

What if aliens turn out to be black?
I thougt they were grey.

[Syphilis]

That question can't be answered. There are billions of galaxies out there, with billions of stars and planets each.

Until we've been to them all, we can't say no. We can't say yes either, since there is currently not proof.

[Im Bored]

I think they are real, there have been so many sightings, anal probings etc.

[Snoopy]

I thougt they were grey.

That wasn't smart or funny. Go away, dipshit.

Again, what if aliens were black?

[5024L]

That wasn't smart or funny. Go away, dipshit.

Again, what if aliens were black?
You go away asshat.

I thought they were grey.

[Mashleshmash]

That question can't be answered. There are billions of galaxies out there, with billions of stars and planets each.

Until we've been to them all, we can't say no. We can't say yes either, since there is currently not proof.

But what do you speculate? Do you think in those billions of galaxies that there are other life forms out there? Or are you just completely neutral with aliens in general?

[5024L]

But what do you speculate? Do you think in those billions of galaxies that there are other life forms out there? Or are you just completely neutral with aliens in general?
Well they must exist or else driveby wouldnt make 1000 threads talking about how they are soming to get us.

[Snoopy]

You go away asshat.

I thought they were grey.

Fuck yourself. I have come to the conclusion that you are black. Please put a noose around your neck and hang yourself. liek rite noaw!

[5024L]

Fuck yourself. I have come to the conclusion that you are black. Please put a noose around your neck and hang yourself. liek rite noaw!
I'm white, sorry.

[Mashleshmash]

I think they are real, there have been so many sightings, anal probings etc.

Yup.

http://www.southparkclub.com/pix/season1/Cartman%20Gets%20an%20Anal%20Probe/1.jpg

[Snoopy]

I'm white, sorry.

Don't call yourself white you filthy jew.

[5024L]

Don't call yourself white you filthy jew.
I have no Jewish ancestors and shower everyday, another invalid insult.

[Marijuanasaurus]

Short answer: Of course they exist.

Long answer: Im fucking tired. Ill get back to this tomorrow.

[Dream of the iris]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PCry4vF7uI&feature=related

Astronaut Edgar Mitchell admitting ET's exist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOeDyeU3lyM

ET disclosure project part 1/12.

[Shaggy]

Mebe. There's a whole lot of space out there, I'm sure you've seen those size charts that make the front page of Digg that show how tiny we are as a planet. We are completely insignificant, so tell me how there cannot be other life out there somewhere. Now visiting us? And reptilians controlling Zoklet? That's a lil out there.

[The Jitterskull]

They're even here. You've probably walked by one of them in your life. Human form is the most common, as it is the most stable and suitable for most environments.

Aliens are like people, there are fucked up ones who try and start wars, and good ones who help us along.

Unlike the shitbowl that is Earth, there are sufficiently more "good" ET's than negative-- whereas here most people tend to thrive on negativity.

[Centipede2]

Well, thinking about how big the whole universe is, it is extremely likely to me.

The thing is, are these aliens more or less advanced than us?

If they're more advanced, have they mastered inter-galactic travel?

If they have mastered that, then why haven't we met them.


...my guess is the truth is just that these master species aliens really just don't give a shit about us. They may study us, but we're just ants in an anthill, nothing new/advanced/crazy.

[Marijuanasaurus]

Think of it this way.

One day when we have advanced technology, and we find a planet with primitive life, theres no doubt that we will study and observe. We might slip up and let them see us every once in a while, but they will still be skeptical as well.
Heck we might even push their society, technology, government, economics, in the right direction every once in a while, just because we want to see them progress.

You have to be arrogant though to think we will be the first ones to do this.

[Code Of Silence]

Re: "Do Aliens exist?"

Probably.

[Vizier]

We'll find out in 2012 :rolleyes:

[Hammer Tank]

i'd like to think they do, but no one knows for sure. unless they really do have alien wreckage at Area 51 :o

[Other Side of the Pillow]

Yes, they're in our restaurants cooking our burgers and in our daycares nursing our young.

[Centipede2]

Yes, they're in our restaurants cooking our burgers and in our daycares nursing our young.

Their in our [noun] verbing our [related noun], oh noes!!!

[0omnidirectional]

They're even here. You've probably walked by one of them in your life. Human form is the most common, as it is the most stable and suitable for most environments.




However, if we assume that organic life formed on earth simply due to basic scientific phenomena, and simply due to the conditions of our atmosphere and such, then it is almost certain that there is life somewhere else in the universe.


Everybody in the Galaxy is Human, And We're Now Evolving... (http://divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=422&Itemid=70)

[313]

no they dont all the spaceships and that bullshit is all due to the government putting it into your head.

[Dream of the iris]

You have to be arrogant though to think we will be the first ones to do this.

Believe me, they are VERY arrogant :D When you can claim a planet as your own, hell, an entire system of planets--makes you think that little thing called a superpower country is only an anthill compared to what they possess.

The benevolents are also arrogant, but for different reasons. Not because they own systems/planets (although they do represent a form of control, I.E. programming)-in simple terms consider yourself to spiritually advanced, more so than the Buddha and at the same time more intelligent than 10 Eiensteins. And it's your job to come to Earth and to convince a few wiling souls that your view is the right one, or at the least the one that makes the most sense.

Convincing them is not your only job, you have to observe those that show promise and to prod them in the right direction every once and a while. You get to see everything they do and remember, you're like the Buddha/10 Eiensteins, a highly evolved human (I'm not sure if even the humanoids consider "human" a good or bad thing :/ )


So you see angles that they don't and see the horrible choices they make for themselves. I'd imagine doing something like that would make anyone impatient and a little annoyed at times. Even arrogant in their dealings with these humans.

Space travel/time travel/interdimensonal travel tends to bring out new dimensions of ego we never thought existed :D

[vnorberto]

aliens arent going to affect my life, so i dont give a shit either way.

[Dream of the iris]

aliens arent going to affect my life, so i dont give a shit either way.

:D:D:D:D

[Chris]

as long as they leave me the fuck alone im good, and my chocolate milk.

[kfc v lot]

Yea i would say so, though depends on what you call alien... I mean they probably don't look like greys or whatever. Whether they come to this planet, doubtful but never say never. Though in galactic terms our planet is fairly young, meaning things may have have advanced enough technologically to fly about the universe.
So in short yes.

[Dream of the iris]

Going back to the original question, are abductions real experiences, I would say, based on the fact that people all over the world have similar, sometimes overlapping experiences I would say yes it is indeed really happening. There is a famous, renowned Harvard psychiatrist (dead now-I think cause was unknown) who published a few books suggesting that the phenomena be looked into further. Towards the end of his life, I believe he was suggesting it was a real event that deserved immediate attention by the scientific community. Don't quote me on specifics though :p


http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=35292

[testtubebaby]

i believe their out there but the one problem i see is actually running into them, i mean not only is the universe huge but theres so many planets that are out of a humans ability to reach so wed have to use robots but its like a planet thats 20 light years away would take 20 years at the speed of light idk what it would be at the highest speed weve reached but by the time we get to these planets in the rediculous anals of the galaxy what are the odds that we get to these species in time before they die out. and then we have to send the information back to earth which would take even longer. and while were checking all these planets there must be a species whos sun is burning up or maybe their planets fuckin them up. i think our best bet is to colonize planets that way someone looking for us has a better chance of finding us.

[testtubebaby]

Going back to the original question, are abductions real experiences, I would say, based on the fact that people all over the world have similar, sometimes overlapping experiences I would say yes it is indeed really happening. There is a famous, renowned Harvard psychiatrist (dead now-I think cause was unknown) who published a few books suggesting that the phenomena be looked into further. Towards the end of his life, I believe he was suggesting it was a real event that deserved immediate attention by the scientific community. Don't quote me on specifics though :p


http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=35292



i almost forgot, to respond to this one. isnt it possible that while some people hear voices in their heads or have multiple personalities that these people who feel theyve been abducted could just be a dillusion of the mind? but unlike the other disorders we just havent really proved it mental or chemical, and all the scars and burns could have been done by them and their mind tricks them into thinking it was what they can only describe as aliens?

[Dream of the iris]

The fact is, no one has conclusive evidence that abductions actually occur. However, it is a REAL phenomena regardless if it is ACTUALLY happening. So in that respect, I can say, yes it is possible it is a facet of the mind we haven't discovered yet. Calling it a disorder is not correct either because very often you have subjects who are normal in all aspects except this one experience and their beliefs.

However, you often find the opposite true and some who come from the butcher (as I say :p) come out a little insane. There are practically an infinite amount of varibles to consider on this subject and I'd imagine books could be written on the subject of insanity and UFO abduction. I gather it is the individual and what the abductors do to the individual. Very often, I've found, that the subjects have latent psychic abilities "turned on" which causes the short circuiting to occur. I've explained the reason behind this (although it is much too complicated to simply "explain" in a few short paragraphs) in another thread.


I believe it is really happening on an interdimensonal level because I myself have found too many overlapping occurrences among abductees and have myself experienced some of what can only be explained by "paranormal" means. Remember, paranormal only means what science cannot explain yet. It is what science does not understand at this point in human history. Given a few decades or centuries, I'd say we will come to a firm understanding of what the ethereal body is and what the real potential of the human mind in full functioning is capable of.

Not to mention, one thing I think deserves mentioning is a few weeks before 9/11 many people had similar dreams where they were told the world was about to change. Some even so far as actually seeing planes hit the towers or some building. Guess what was common among those individuals? They considered themselves in contact with ET groups.

[F33BlefORce]

i almost forgot, to respond to this one. isnt it possible that while some people hear voices in their heads or have multiple personalities that these people who feel theyve been abducted could just be a dillusion of the mind? but unlike the other disorders we just havent really proved it mental or chemical, and all the scars and burns could have been done by them and their mind tricks them into thinking it was what they can only describe as aliens?


Who is to say that they have a "disorder" though....
The mind to me seems way to powerful to play tricks on itself,well at least mine maybe.

Also what about wormholes and things like that?? does anyone have much knowledge on them?
For instance, if you got sucked into a blackhole,where would you goto?

[testtubebaby]

ur right disorder was a little out of line, but i say it for a lack of a better word...its quite possible that these "abductions" may mean something or even may show signs of a brain thats experiencing different actions that non abductees do not experience. thats what i ment. hearing voices is something i cant do without forcing myself to. so having these abductions may be something that only a few people experience based on a chemical change or difference in the brain. not neccasarily a bad thing like "disorder" would imply. sorry, thanks for correction.

as for worm holes, if they do exist, we have no clue if they go anywhere, it could go to another place another time another dimension or even nowhere. so it doesnt really take away from the inability for us to run into aliens, if we dont know how a wormhole works or where it goes, we cant utilize it to bring us to a certain place. it would be the same as randomly pointing to the sky and saying lets go there.

i feel like ur gonna say well finding and studying one can lead to more answers but wouldnt we be much better off finding how an atmosphere is created and just narrowing down all the planets that appear to have the ability to create one that supports life and go there? i feel we should learn atmospheres first and than work from there. i dont think worm holes are our best solution to discovering life in the universe

[nshanin]

based on the fact that people all over the world have similar, sometimes overlapping experiences I would say yes

Read "DMT: The Spirit Molecule" for a more naturalistic explanation.

"I urge you to develop your skepsis"
--Einstein

EDIT: And we know full well how atmospheres develop, the problem is finding these planets in the first place--there's no telescope on earth that can find an earth-sized planet at an earths-distance from a star and it's very likely that when one is developed it will take years if not centuries to detect such a planet (look up techniques on how planet detection occurs). After that, spectroscopy will tell us instantly what the atmosphere is made of in the same way that we know what the sun is made of despite having never visited it.

[Marijuanasaurus]

i almost forgot, to respond to this one. isnt it possible that while some people hear voices in their heads or have multiple personalities that these people who feel theyve been abducted could just be a dillusion of the mind? but unlike the other disorders we just havent really proved it mental or chemical, and all the scars and burns could have been done by them and their mind tricks them into thinking it was what they can only describe as aliens?

Its totally possible. But whos to say every instance is psychological. Wouldnt that be great for an alien to make it seem like the person was going crazy, rather than exposing the truth about what really happens?

[Mantikore]

if it can happen on earth, it can happen somewhere else, even if we are just talking about simple microorganisms.

[F33BlefORce]

Its totally possible. But whos to say every instance is psychological. Wouldnt that be great for an alien to make it seem like the person was going crazy, rather than exposing the truth about what really happens?

exactly!!!!

Scientists in the field of dimensions or whatever that would be called lol have found up to 12 dimensions.... dementia ,,,, dimensions.... they sound alot alike right??

maybe the aliens arent even flesh per say, they could be on a whole nother level than us.

maybe the greek gods or the titans???
just some food for thought.

[Mathematics]

And of course Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection isn't the only theory as to why life evolved, and it isn't even universally accepted in the scientific community. Any idiot who actually knows more than what they were taught in school knows that.

Of course, this is absolutely false. Evolution and natural selection are facts, and this is agreed by any respectable biologist. Would the OP like to name and justify an alternative theory to evolution by natural selection?

[Bender]

I agree that its ignorant to think were the only ones out there. I believe that there many races of other highly intelligent and maybe less intelligent being in your never ending universe. As for religion, one could say all of Jesus's healing's and powers could be explained by super natural beings trying to set a good example for the human race.

[a giant pterodactyl]

Well I just got done watching the movie "Fire in The Sky", and it got me thinking about my stance on whether or not aliens really exist. My conclusion is that it would be highly ignorant just to dismiss other extraterrestrial beings and claim that we are the only ones out there out of the millions of galaxies.

Another thing I was thinking about is I wonder how they go about with the whole religion aspect, or if they even have a god/gods.

So zoklet, what do you guys make of this? Are aliens real? And if you do indeed believe they are, do you think they've attempted to make contact with us? Or are all the abduction reports, etc just bullshit?

yes/

[crazzyass]

Statistically, it's very probable.

[nshanin]

Statistically, it's very probable.

For Chirst's sake no it's not--look at the Drake equation; there's a huge degree of uncertainty in nearly every term there, stop using this fucking argument. :mad:

[Ambient]

I think its very plausible.

[HippieTrippie]

The radius of the known universe is 46.5 billion light years. a light year is 5,878,630,000,000 miles take 46.5 billion multiplied by 5.878630e12, cube that number then multiply it by 4/3 then take that number and multiply it by pi. That is the rough volume of the known universe. Now you are going to tell me that in something of that size, with all the billions of galaxies and millions of "habitable zones" that Earth is the only planet that hold life? I'm pretty sure that there is other life somewhere.

[Slave of the Beast]

The radius of the known universe is 46.5 billion light years.

Source?

[Dream of the iris]

Source?

He made it up.

[Slave of the Beast]

He made it up.

Ah, the standard reference manual of Paranormal.

I suspected as much.

[mauidaddio]

Yes, aliens exist.

[Dream of the iris]

Read "DMT: The Spirit Molecule" for a more naturalistic explanation.

"I urge you to develop your skepsis"
--Einstein
.

I have that book. I'd say that biochemistry can be seen as a means of assisting the consciousness to enter into certain states, some of which can be considered legitimate planes of existence. I.E. 4D on up. The entites that supposedly do this are considered multi dimensonal. Calling them scrictly ET and on our dimension of existence is a misunderstanding that stems from an ignorance of other dimensions. We think of dimensions strictly in mathematical terms without understanding how it is possible to dwell in those types of dimensions.

I'd say consciousness itself with the assistence of biochemical interactions within the brain, can make that leap. That's why I believe dreaming could be considered interaction in another dimension.

[Bender]

Its been proven. That in ever religion, someone or something descends from heavens. Were talking about religions thousands of miles away and hundreds if not thousands of years apart. Coincidence?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DCCXbWTQNw&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fzoklet%2Enet%2Fbbs%2Fshowthread% 2Ephp%3Ft%3D48744&feature=player_embedded

I think not.

[nshanin]

The radius of the known universe is 46.5 billion light years. a light year is 5,878,630,000,000 miles take 46.5 billion multiplied by 5.878630e12, cube that number then multiply it by 4/3 then take that number and multiply it by pi. That is the rough volume of the known universe. Now you are going to tell me that in something of that size, with all the billions of galaxies and millions of "habitable zones" that Earth is the only planet that hold life? I'm pretty sure that there is other life somewhere.

For Chirst's sake no it's not--look at the Drake equation; there's a huge degree of uncertainty in nearly every term there, stop using this fucking argument.

[nshanin]

I have that book. I'd say that biochemistry can be seen as a means of assisting the consciousness to enter into certain states, some of which can be considered legitimate planes of existence. I.E. 4D on up. The entites that supposedly do this are considered multi dimensonal. Calling them scrictly ET and on our dimension of existence is a misunderstanding that stems from an ignorance of other dimensions. We think of dimensions strictly in mathematical terms without understanding how it is possible to dwell in those types of dimensions.

I'd say consciousness itself with the assistence of biochemical interactions within the brain, can make that leap. That's why I believe dreaming could be considered interaction in another dimension.

Yeah? Can you prove that consciousness is beyond chemical reactions? Until you can find a way to get past the reductionism there's nothing to say.

[nshanin]

Sorry for butting in here, it's a bad habit, I know....

But.....

I just happened to notice that you keep citing the Drake equation. However, every single variable in the Drake equation is just our best guess.

One scientist filled in the blanks and figured there could only possibly be 1 advanced civilization in the universe: earth.

Another did the same and came to the conclusion that there is over 10 million.

The Drake equation is just a placeholder for when we actually get some real answers. Until then, we can't say either way.

And just so you know, I don't necessarily believe there is other life in the universe, but I also don't necessarily believe there isn't. No one can really know with any degree of certainty at this point.

=/

You and I are saying the same thing. There's so much variability that there's no way we can know. Just having the potential for large numbers in an equation doesn't mean that the outcome will necessarily be large.

[HippieTrippie]

Source?

I fucked up its actually bigger. http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mystery_monday_040524.html

[Mashleshmash]

Nigga if you gon' bump my thread, you best be contributing something to it. 2009 son.

[Darkhunter]

Aliens are the Air Force

[nshanin]

No, secrecy is their policy, but military interactions with UFOs are only a fraction of the available evidence. There is now a class of people that is manipulating this agenda/dialectic in the global UFO "awakening"/debate, this has been pointed out by resources we have on this site, the global spy vs. spy game in national/supranational consciousness is escapable but we cannot side with those who seek to bind us to the past.

[Masuvius]

My opinion:

Alien abduction- looney toons
Ufo sightings- Military test craft
Existence of extra terrestrial life in the universe- Undoubtedly

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2009/11/fresh-claim-for-fossil-life-in.html

http://spider.seds.org/spider/Mars/Marsrock/sm12609.jpg

http://spider.seds.org/spider/Mars/Marsrock/s96-12299.jpg

[Headspin]

Yeah? Can you prove that consciousness is beyond chemical reactions? Until you can find a way to get past the reductionism there's nothing to say.

No, secrecy is their policy, but military interactions with UFOs are only a fraction of the available evidence. There is now a class of people that is manipulating this agenda/dialectic in the global UFO "awakening"/debate, this has been pointed out by resources we have on this site, the global spy vs. spy game in national/supranational consciousness is escapable but we cannot side with those who seek to bind us to the past.

Its been an interesting couple of years for you hasn't it?