I need an MMORPG to waste my life on

[xool]

Self-explanatory :)

I used to be addicted to RuneScape (yeah I know...) and, to be honest, I loved the skill system. 'Tis shame about everything else :P

Any other MMORPG's that have that same sort of skill thing as RS (that have better gameplay of course)?

'Ta.

[ManCannon]

Wouldn't you rather rub your dick up and down a cheese grater for a couple hours every day?

[Mantikore]

if youre looking for something different, try shattered galaxy. its an MMORTS. its mainly tactical play, but there are RPG elements to it. you just join one of three factions and constantly wage battles with each other by building, equipping and customising your squads.

graphics and controls are similar to starcraft. i find it fun to come back to every now and then for its near limitless creative strategies. though i must add, teamwork is essential, and there are a lot of chinese and japanese players who spam the chat, but otherwise, its pretty fun

edit: see below

[Illuvatar]

Theres another shit simple game similar to runescape called Tibia, i played that to shit as a kid..
Anyways, i'd say guildwars, it's fun & easy to get the hang of.

[Anima Mundi]

Guild Wars. It's not free, one time payment, and it's worth it. I bought it over 3 and a half years ago, and still play it, and it is still good.

[Th0r]

Guild Wars. It's not free, one time payment, and it's worth it. I bought it over 3 and a half years ago, and still play it, and it is still good.

I completely agree. Guild Wars is the shit, bar the updating which can be a pain in the ass if you don't have a decent connection.

[heroinbob]

if you want a mmo to waste your life on try world of warcraft.

[P_R_Deltoid]

Guild Wars is free for a reason, it's all instanced garbage. Fuck Guildwars. Just purchase World of Warcraft, there is a reason it has a 11 million subscriber base

[thoughtDOTexecute]

WoW or u can ply Perfect World, its free to download and ply, fun for a couple of weeks but then when u hit lvl 40 or so, it kinda forces u to buy gold.....

[EllisD]

Celestial Destroyer looks like an alright free japanese MMO, or korean or some asian made.
just google it, its a 3d one.

[Anima Mundi]

Guild Wars is free for a reason, it's all instanced garbage. Fuck Guildwars. Just purchase World of Warcraft, there is a reason it has a 11 million subscriber base

One of Guild Wars selling points is that there aren't instances, you stupid fuck :facepalm:. If you mean that the outside world isn't populated by anyone but your party, that is a blessing. It means no kill stealing, no WoW dickery, and you play with who you want to. The reason it has an 11 million subscriber base is because people will play shit for the fact that it HAS that many people. Fuck guildwars my good sir? Fuck you.

[Th0r]

One of Guild Wars selling points is that there aren't instances, you stupid fuck :facepalm:. If you mean that the outside world isn't populated by anyone but your party, that is a blessing. It means no kill stealing, no WoW dickery, and you play with who you want to. The reason it has an 11 million subscriber base is because people will play shit for the fact that it HAS that many people. Fuck guildwars my good sir? Fuck you.

+1 - I love you.

[P_R_Deltoid]

One of Guild Wars selling points is that there aren't instances, you stupid fuck :facepalm:. If you mean that the outside world isn't populated by anyone but your party, that is a blessing. It means no kill stealing, no WoW dickery, and you play with who you want to. The reason it has an 11 million subscriber base is because people will play shit for the fact that it HAS that many people. Fuck guildwars my good sir? Fuck you.'

I didn't mean it doesn't have instances, I mean it is instanced. That is why you don't see people outside of your party outside of certain hubs. It is a cheap alternative. without it, you are not playing an MMORPG, you are just playing an RPG.

The reason it has a large following is no the sheer amount of people.

The reason it has a large following is because Blizzard is a company that has released some of the biggest games in PC history. It's also built around a universe with a story that can rival LOTR at this point.

Another plus is that it DOESN'T SHIT DICKS. That's a pretty good thing, in my opinion.

[Psionicist]

Guild Wars. It's not free, one time payment, and it's worth it. I bought it over 3 and a half years ago, and still play it, and it is still good.

This. i think they even have a deal on their site to get some expansions at a discounted price when you buy them together.

[Anima Mundi]

I didn't mean it doesn't have instances, I mean it is instanced.

The outside places are instanced so you don't deal with people you don't want to during gameplay.


without it, you are not playing an MMORPG, you are just playing an RPG.

There are hundreds upon hundreds of people in the main cities :facepalm:


The reason it has a large following is because Blizzard is a company that has released some of the biggest games in PC history.

So because they have other good games, that makes WoW good? Great logic there.


Another plus is that it DOESN'T SHIT DICKS. That's a pretty good thing, in my opinion.

Actually, that is exactly what it does. Every fucking quest follows the "Kill X number of monster, collect X number of item, return."
Now for some reasons that Guild Wars is better:

1. Guild wars has better graphics than WoW.
2. Guild wars has a better community than WoW.
3. Guild wars has a better party system than WoW.
4. Guild wars has a better levelling system.
5. No grinding in guild wars for levels.
6. Not many repetative task quests in guild wars.
7. Guild wars has a story line.
8. Guild wars has more customizable character creation.
9. Guild wars has no online fee.
10. Guild wars has a more balanced PvP system.
11. Guild wars has much more skill involved.
12. Guild wars has no real potion items, just balanced classes.
13. Guild wars isn't a game that turns you into a social reject.
14. Guild wars has better expansions.
15. The guild wars map is not only larger, but each place is much more detailed, with things to actually explore.
16. Guild wars skills are easy to locate, but there are many.
17. You dont have to buy fucking skills from trainers in guild wars.
18. You don't need a stupid mount, you have running skills.
19. You can turn off the swear filter.
20. You can actually compete with people slightly more than your level.
21. You can actually tank a virtually infinite number of monsters if you are good enough.
22. AoE spells actually have AoE effects, and are very important.
23. Better, more customizable screen layout.
24. Better agro system.
25. Stealth is for faggots, learn to avoid shit.
26. Combo attacks that if you fuck up, it will ruin your entire fight.
27. The entire community isn't based on grinding to the next level, and you rarely get called a noob.
28. No acheivements, only titles that are all based on things you would do anyway.
29. GvG is amazing.
30. CTF is better than WoWs.
31. You're a homo retard.
32. GW has creative creatures and bosses.
33. GW gives you the max items pretty much right off the bat, so it's how you use things that determines effectiveness.
34. Truly infinite number of skill combos in guild wars.
35. You can't multiclass into everything.
36. Only rangers can get pets, and you have to actually catch them, not grind for money to pay for them.
37. Did I mention there is no grinding?
38. Quests actually all have a storyline, rather than collect item x from monster y.
39. Mods that actually do something. I know becuase I've been banned multiple times.
40. Actual satisfaction from the game, from your skill in the game getting better.
41. The game doesn't feel like a chore.
42. If you aren't in range, the combat system moves you INTO range!
43. Guild wars is playable with only one person, all through the storyline.
44. Guild wars actually strives on teamwork, if one person fucks up, it is like 15% of the group going down. Leroy jenkins will fuck an entire team over, so nobody does it.
45. As I mentioned beating it one player, and having good teamwork, this means that there are bots you can play with, that have pretty good AI and battle tactics.
46. Hero system.
47. Different uses for classes, rather than only one way to go about things.
48. People aren't discriminated much because of their level.
49. The terrain doesn't look randomly generated.
50. People like you play WoW.

[The English Gentleman]

Try this new game called the stockmarket.

[TreyMcFly]

I second Tibia, I played from 03' to 06'. What a waste of my fucking life, anyways. It has a good skill system, that you will waste hours training on a monk to get. I suggest TibiaBot, best bot out there for tibia.

[Obelisk]

Try this new game called the stockmarket.

I tired, but it kept crashing on me. Would not recommend.

[P_R_Deltoid]

The outside places are instanced so you don't deal with people you don't want to during gameplay.

Lame excuse for a lame way to cut down traffic, and ultimately the cost on the developer's end.


There are hundreds upon hundreds of people in the main cities :facepalm:
That's nice. There are thousands upon thousands of people on any one server in World of Warcraft. It's a much larger game world, and hence, a lot more epic, and social.



So because they have other good games, that makes WoW good? Great logic there.

When a developer of that quality comes along, that is usually the case, yes.


Actually, that is exactly what it does. Every fucking quest follows the "Kill X number of monster, collect X number of item, return."
Now for some reasons that Guild Wars is better:


7. Guild wars has a story line.
9. Guild wars has no online fee.
11. Guild wars has much more skill involved.
14. Guild wars has better expansions.
50. People like you play WoW.

Most of these points are all equally idiotic, and relative ("better community, people like you play WoW") And there are some where I have no idea what you are talking about.

I will pick out ones that I think make you look the dumbest, just to prove my point that you are dumb. Dummy.

Number 45, Leeroy Jenkins was a wipe. His entire group died. Guildwars isn't the first game to require teamwork. Any guild working on old 40 Naxx or AQ can tell you that.

Number 7, World of Warcraft's universe, and it's MANY MANY MANY story lines rival that of Lord of the Rings, and you think that Guildwars come anywhere near those two giants? Are you kidding me?

Number 9, Guildwars is free because they use a system that requires a small use of bandwidth, at the users price. Who the fuck likes to play in instanced maps? No one.

Number 11, Guildwars requires more skill? No MMO requires SKILL. Very few parts of any MMOs require any sort of dedication at all, besides high end dungeons and boss encounters

Number 14, the expansion in Guildwars take 6 months to produce and add little content. The expansions for World of Warcraft come out every 2 years, and double the content of the game. The expansion system for guildwars is a gimmick to get money back for the Bandwidth lost.

And the many more null points you've listed. I am too afraid to keep going, because if I lose this post, I've lost a lot of my posting time, and I'm not letting that happen!

[Anima Mundi]

It's a much larger game world, and hence, a lot more epic
If your idea of epic is talking to mouth-breathing fat virgins all day, then yes, it is very epic.


Number 45, Leeroy Jenkins was a wipe. His entire group died. Guildwars isn't the first game to require teamwork. Any guild working on old 40 Naxx or AQ can tell you that.
Guild wars is a lot more important for teamwork, because you don't have a legion of people on your team, and if one fails in WoW it's not a big deal. In guildwars, if one person dies, it puts a lot more pressure on the rest of the group.


Number 7, World of Warcraft's universe, and it's MANY MANY MANY story lines rival that of Lord of the Rings, and you think that Guildwars come anywhere near those two giants? Are you kidding me?

I didn't say universe, I said storyline. And unless you're reading all the stupid bullshit quests that people send you out to do, I don't think there is a storyline at all.


Number 9, Guildwars is free because they use a system that requires a small use of bandwidth, at the users price. Who the fuck likes to play in instanced maps? No one.
Hundreds of thousands of people, apparently.


Number 11, Guildwars requires more skill? No MMO requires SKILL. Very few parts of any MMOs require any sort of dedication at all, besides high end dungeons and boss encounters
Guild wars requires skill because you reach max level fairly fast. You don't depend on how good your equipment is, or what level you are, but your skills and attributes, and how and when you use them in battle. Many times I've played PvP, it's come down to a splitsecond win on either side because they used a skill at the exact right time.


Number 14, the expansion in Guildwars take 6 months to produce and add little content. The expansions for World of Warcraft come out every 2 years, and double the content of the game. The expansion system for guildwars is a gimmick to get money back for the Bandwidth lost.
Each guild wars expansion adds an entire playable story arc, just like the original. Add very little content? :facepalm: Each one adds two more professions as well as hundreds and hundreds of skills for each profession. It's an entirely new story each time, doubling play time and the map size.


And the many more null points you've listed. I am too afraid to keep going, because if I lose this post, I've lost a lot of my posting time, and I'm not letting that happen!
You're surely making other people lose their time, it's only fair you lose some. :facepalm:

[Shrike]

Eve Online. Only MMO worth playing out there imo.

[kfc v lot]

Warhammer Online, great little game.

[lethargic]

Guildwars > WoW. There's some things I miss from WoW, but Guildwars is just a better game overall.

Personally, I'm always looking for "the perfect MMORPG", but every game comes up pretty short. Guildwars has been my favorite so far though.

I'd say my main complaint about MMO's is that your effectiveness in battle, against monsters or other players, is determined by how much time you've spent leveling. Chances are, if you have no social life, you're going to kick a lot of asses.

WoW is probly the worst example of this. Combat and PvP in guildwars actually takes some fucking skill.

I used to like WoW, don't get me wrong, but paying money for it every month...meh. Nowadays if I play WoW, I'll look for a free server. It costs a lot less, there's less arseholes, and it doesn't take me several months to level up.

I also blame WoW for the ruin of a lot of other good MMO's and the way people play them, but that's another topic entirely.

As for free games, I also play:

Ragnarok Online private servers. Usually on the Niktout server. I've been playing this game for a long time and I always seem to come back to it when I'm bored of all the other MMO's.

Anarchy Online. A good, free game with lot of kewl character classes. The free content is pretty diluted when compared to the paid content, but it's a pretty kewl game. Especially if you're looking for a sci-fi MMORPG. My only complaint is that there rly isn't much to do after you hit level 25 or so. Usually at that point I'll make a new character and try another class.

Perfect World. Somebody above mentioned this one and to it I say "meh". It's got great graphics, some kewl monsters, and rly pretty scenery but it just got old after a couple of weeks. After a whille, I couldn't find anything do besides quest and lvl up.

Oh, and somebody mentioned something about rangers in Guildwars being the only class that can have pets...not entirely true. Any class can have pets as long as they take on ranger as a second profession.

Just clarifying. :p

Most of my characters take ranger as second profession, with the exception of my ranger who doubles as an elementalist. Although I am about to start a mesmer/warrior. I heard it's difficult to play that way, but the end result is badass motherfucker that's pretty fucking awesome at PvP. :D

[nation]

Darkfall Online.

I don't actually mean playing it, just waiting for it is the TRUE experience.:facepalm:

[Σnigma]

Since you're that desperate,
www.runescape.com

[P_R_Deltoid]

If your idea of epic is talking to mouth-breathing fat virgins all day, then yes, it is very epic.
A good analogy would be, the gloryhole isn't gay, because the person on the other side can be any gender. You don't know who you're talking to, you just know what their character looks like in game.


Guild wars is a lot more important for teamwork, because you don't have a legion of people on your team, and if one fails in WoW it's not a big deal. In guildwars, if one person dies, it puts a lot more pressure on the rest of the group.
How big is a "legion of people" and how big is a guildwars end game dungeon party?

I didn't say universe, I said storyline. And unless you're reading all the stupid bullshit quests that people send you out to do, I don't think there is a storyline at all.

Show me some Guildwars books. Show me some guildwars table top D20 system games. Maybe you don't understand what I mean by Universe, but I'll dumb it down for you. It has more, better stories.


Hundreds of thousands of people, apparently.

Hundreds of thousands of people like Runescape. You know why? Because they are poor.


Guild wars requires skill because you reach max level fairly fast. You don't depend on how good your equipment is, or what level you are, but your skills and attributes, and how and when you use them in battle. Many times I've played PvP, it's come down to a splitsecond win on either side because they used a skill at the exact right time.

So people arn't supposed to be rewarded for playing the game? You're saying gear shouldn't matter at all? With two equally geared opponents, it does come down to skill. Just because people can outgear others doesn't mean the game requires no skill.



Each guild wars expansion adds an entire playable story arc, just like the original. Add very little content? :facepalm: Each one adds two more professions as well as hundreds and hundreds of skills for each profession. It's an entirely new story each time, doubling play time and the map size.
So you're telling me, the 6 months-to-develop expansions created by that developer can out-do 2 years-to-develop expansions by a legendary developer?

[ManCannon]

I played WoW for a week and found it to be just like every other boring, shitty MMORPG I've ever played.

"Kill X amount of this or collect X amount of this, bring it back". That was the only type of quest I ever got.

It was boring, and more like having a job then anything else. There's nothing worse than being forced to do fictional character's busywork. I'm sure the game gets better when you're doing 50 man raids and getting "epic loot", but I'm not going to play something I find boring for hours upon hours, and pay monthly for the privilege, in the hopes I may eventually get to the "fun" stuff.

[P_R_Deltoid]

I played WoW for a week and found it to be just like every other boring, shitty MMORPG I've ever played.

"Kill X amount of this or collect X amount of this, bring it back". That was the only type of quest I ever got.

It was boring, and more like having a job then anything else. There's nothing worse than being forced to do fictional character's busywork. I'm sure the game gets better when you're doing 50 man raids and getting "epic loot", but I'm not going to play something I find boring for hours upon hours, and pay monthly for the privilege, in the hopes I may eventually get to the "fun" stuff.

Best of the worst, I suppose.

[Anima Mundi]

A good analogy would be, the gloryhole isn't gay, because the person on the other side can be any gender. You don't know who you're talking to, you just know what their character looks like in game.

I don't know what the fuck you were trying to do with this analogy. At all.


How big is a "legion of people" and how big is a guildwars end game dungeon party?

Over 20. Max for guild wars is 8 people.


Show me some Guildwars books. Show me some guildwars table top D20 system games. Maybe you don't understand what I mean by Universe, but I'll dumb it down for you. It has more, better stories.

More stories undoubtedly. Better stories? Matter of opinion.


Hundreds of thousands of people like Runescape. You know why? Because they are poor.

Irrelevant, guildwars doesn't attract players that want to play WoW but can't afford it.


So people arn't supposed to be rewarded for playing the game? You're saying gear shouldn't matter at all? With two equally geared opponents, it does come down to skill. Just because people can outgear others doesn't mean the game requires no skill.

People should get better the longer they play the game. And no, gear shouldn't be important. The amount of time you spend playing shouldn't determine who wins in a fight. WoW requires but a fraction of the skill that GW does.


So you're telling me, the 6 months-to-develop expansions created by that developer can out-do 2 years-to-develop expansions by a legendary developer?
I'm saying it doubles game content, unlike how you said it adds nothing.

[P_R_Deltoid]

I don't know what the fuck you were trying to do with this analogy. At all.
Just telling you how null the point of the people playing on the other end are. It doesn't matter if they are fat or virgins (Much like it doesn't matter what is on the opposite side of a gloryhole, you're not gay because of the interaction). That's a non-point.


Over 20. Max for guild wars is 8 people.

All endgame content since WOTLK can be done with either 10 or 25 people


More stories undoubtedly. Better stories? Matter of opinion.

So you're saying people who likes some 10 cent romance paper back over something like... Kurt Vonnegut or Isaac Asimov isn't an idiot?


Irrelevant, guildwars doesn't attract players that want to play WoW but can't afford it.
That's the only real reason I've ever heard anyone switching from WoW to Guildwars.


People should get better the longer they play the game. And no, gear shouldn't be important. The amount of time you spend playing shouldn't determine who wins in a fight. WoW requires but a fraction of the skill that GW does.
So what is the point of raiding? I don't understand why people hate the fact that others can get an advantage over them by working harder for it. A lot of the people in high end guilds tend to be GOOD at the game, hence where they are. You think the people in Ensidia (http://www.ensidia.com/?p=1) suck?


I'm saying it doubles game content, unlike how you said it adds nothing.
Fair enough, but it's an odd statement, considering development times. This leads me to believe that the content in Guildwars is so shallow that 6 months of development can double the content of the game, or you're lying.

[Anima Mundi]

Just telling you how null the point of the people playing on the other end are. It doesn't matter if they are fat or virgins (Much like it doesn't matter what is on the opposite side of a gloryhole, you're not gay because of the interaction). That's a non-point.

I would like to know who is on the other side of a gloryhole, but I suppose I'm not a sex starved WoW addict.


All endgame content since WOTLK can be done with either 10 or 25 people

Endgame content can be done with 1 or 2 people for Guildwars, 8 is the max. 25=legion.


So you're saying people who likes some 10 cent romance paper back over something like... Kurt Vonnegut or Isaac Asimov isn't an idiot?

Just think for a second here. You're comparing "KILL NIGHTSABRE, GET FANG" to Isaac Asimov and Vonnegut? :facepalm:


That's the only real reason I've ever heard anyone switching from WoW to Guildwars.

I listed many, you seem to be shutting them out.


So what is the point of raiding? I don't understand why people hate the fact that others can get an advantage over them by working harder for it. A lot of the people in high end guilds tend to be GOOD at the game, hence where they are. You think the people in Ensidia (http://www.ensidia.com/?p=1) suck?

There ISN'T raiding in Guild Wars. And people hate it because then the only people who get to have the best stuff are the ones who devote their lives to the game.


Fair enough, but it's an odd statement, considering development times. This leads me to believe that the content in Guildwars is so shallow that 6 months of development can double the content of the game, or you're lying.
WoW developers must have waited a long time for their random terrain generator. :facepalm:

[P_R_Deltoid]

I would like to know who is on the other side of a gloryhole, but I suppose I'm not a sex starved WoW addict.

Even if it's a man? Nigga, you gay.


Endgame content can be done with 1 or 2 people for Guildwars, 8 is the max. 25=legion.

Hardly difficult, is it? 1-2 people. That's less than it takes to run the level 15 instances in World of Warcraft


Just think for a second here. You're comparing "KILL NIGHTSABRE, GET FANG" to Isaac Asimov and Vonnegut? :facepalm:
Single gathering quests are a small part of the Warcraft story line. If you'd read any of the larger quest lines, you'd get an amazing sense of immersion


I listed many, you seem to be shutting them out.

Most were opinions, which apparently arn't valid in this arguement. The rest were incorrect. They were shitty reasons. Guildwars is a poor mans World of Warcraft.


There ISN'T raiding in Guild Wars. And people hate it because then the only people who get to have the best stuff are the ones who devote their lives to the game.
So you're saying, someone new to CS should be able to beat a long time verteran? Devoting yourself to a game builds your skill, and in some games, your gear. They both effect how you play against other players. Gear is a decider between the casual and the hardcore. Skill the decider between equally geared, whether casual or hardcore, players.


WoW developers must have waited a long time for their random terrain generator. :facepalm:
I am not expert on guildwars, but I think vast amounts of land requires that kind of terrain generator. If things need to be a certain way for transport, or quests (directions by landmarks, world accuracy) they are tended to. Everything else SHOULD be random. I don't see the point in having some terrain crafting master artisan come in to make a world LOOK random, and not generated by some higher power.

[Anima Mundi]

Even if it's a man? Nigga, you gay.
Yes, because if it's a man I could walk away :rolleyes:


Hardly difficult, is it? 1-2 people. That's less than it takes to run the level 15 instances in World of Warcraft

It's very difficult, as the two aren't comparable. Using the perfect builds, I'm fairly sure an invincible monk and a spiteful spirit Necro could do it, but I've never actually seen it done.


Single gathering quests are a small part of the Warcraft story line. If you'd read any of the larger quest lines, you'd get an amazing sense of immersion

Nah, not really.


Most were opinions, which apparently arn't valid in this arguement. The rest were incorrect. They were shitty reasons. Guildwars is a poor mans World of Warcraft.

Guild Wars is a smart mans WoW.


So you're saying, someone new to CS should be able to beat a long time verteran?
Yes, if they are good.

Gear is a decider between the casual and the hardcore.
Or the people who don't have 16 hours a day to play WoW.


Skill the decider between equally geared, whether casual or hardcore, players.

And if you're not equally geared and levelled, chances are you get destroyed, nomatter how "good" you are.


I am not expert on guildwars, but I think vast amounts of land requires that kind of terrain generator. If things need to be a certain way for transport, or quests (directions by landmarks, world accuracy) they are tended to. Everything else SHOULD be random. I don't see the point in having some terrain crafting master artisan come in to make a world LOOK random, and not generated by some higher power.
90% of WoW's map looks like random bumps and grey masses for mountains. It's boring.

[ManCannon]

I love pissing contests, and as such, having competed in many myself, I feel it safe to declare Johnathon Doerty the winner of this particular urination competition.

I played trials of both games, and found them both to be totally and completely boring, so I'm judging this dispute entirely on the presented argument from each side, with no bias towards either participant.

Congratulations to Johnathon Doerty, you win absolutely nothing other than the knowledge that you've wasted a ridiculous amount of time arguing about videogames on the internet.

As a consolation P_R_Deltoid, take solace in the fact that you have in fact won the exact same thing, despite having lost the argument.

I know the feeling well, and I'm sure just as I have been countless times, both of you are positively brimming with pride.

[P_R_Deltoid]

I love pissing contests, and as such, having competed in many myself, I feel it safe to declare Johnathon Doerty the winner of this particular urination competition.

I played trials of both games, and found them both to be totally and completely boring, so I'm judging this dispute entirely on the presented argument from each side, with no bias towards either participant.

Congratulations to Johnathon Doerty, you win absolutely nothing other than the knowledge that you've wasted a ridiculous amount of time arguing about videogames on the internet.

As a consolation P_R_Deltoid, take solace in the fact that you have in fact won the exact same thing, despite having lost the argument.

I know the feeling well, and I'm sure just as I have been countless times, both of you are positively brimming with pride.

I like the argument, as it shows the pros and cons of both games. It'd be easier to learn about which game is right for you when people arn't agreeing with each other, and instead nitpicking the opposite side.

[P_R_Deltoid]

Yes, because if it's a man I could walk away :rolleyes:
What?


It's very difficult, as the two aren't comparable. Using the perfect builds, I'm fairly sure an invincible monk and a spiteful spirit Necro could do it, but I've never actually seen it done.
So two people was a far fetched example? There are cases of people using 2 people to complete 25 man content (Loatheb, if anyone wants to know) Of course, they are exploiting. Just because it can be done doesn't mean it is intended to be that way.


Nah, not really.
Have you played Warcraft 1-3? You wouldn't understand half of the game if you hadn't. It's simply amazing how they took something shallow from those games, and turned it into a living, breathing questline (Sapphiron, for example, was a 5 minute quest in Warcraft 3, and now is one of the hardest bosses in the game (Not saying any of them are hard, but he is on the top of the list of the bosses currently in game))

Guild Wars is a smart mans WoW.
Smart in an artsy way, poor and living in a studio apartment


Yes, if they are good.

Well, I'm sure a level 20 could beat a level 80, if that level 80 sucked. :)


Or the people who don't have 16 hours a day to play WoW.

If you can't devote time to something (like a job) don't expect to move up in the world. If you don't want to bother spending time to get the gear required to be competitive, then don't fucking bother.



And if you're not equally geared and levelled, chances are you get destroyed, nomatter how "good" you are.
Although more the case now than it was pre-tbc and pre-wotlk, still not complete true. There are example of people who make very good use of their gear. And then there are also rock-paper-scissors games where the gear only offsets the natural disadvantage of a class against another, leaving the fight up to skill.

90% of WoW's map looks like random bumps and grey masses for mountains. It's boring.

A matter of opinion.

[lethargic]

Blargh. You're arguing about two very different games.

Anybody got anything else to add to this thread besides Guildwars or WoW?

[Trix Are For Kids]

How 'bout going outside and doing a nice night op? You can get stuff, and alot funner and more dangerous than online games. You can get eaten by the evil Zorflek monsters, or shot by the cops, which do you choose?

[Idiot]

Blargh. You're arguing about two very different games.

Anybody got anything else to add to this thread besides Guildwars or WoW?

www.Helbreathnemesis.com free server with around 150 people on it, around 200 or more on weekends.

http://www.helbreathusa.com/ official server that you have to pay to play:angry:

Helbreath is an older game, but the PVP is amazing. Type helbreath in youtube and watch some vids. I will explain more if you are interested.


OFF-SUBJECT
Problem with games like runescape, wow, etc. is they are too easy when it comes down to the fighting part of it. A lot of right and left clicking, but no aim or strategy involved. Kind of like playing an FPS game where you hold the right mouse button to lock onto a target, then the left to shoot. FPS games where you use the mouse to aim, and click to shoot are way more fun because more skill/timing is involved.

Also EVE ranks high up on fun games because there is no fucking retarded anti social ruin my life level grind. I would pay for it, but paying monthly for a game goes against my beliefs...

[P_R_Deltoid]

OFF-SUBJECT
Problem with games like runescape, wow, etc. is they are too easy when it comes down to the fighting part of it. A lot of right and left clicking, but no aim or strategy involved. Kind of like playing an FPS game where you hold the right mouse button to lock onto a target, then the left to shoot. FPS games where you use the mouse to aim, and click to shoot are way more fun because more skill/timing is involved.



While leveling perhaps, but endgame and PVP arn't as mindless.

[averylongnamethatislong]

Try

www.wurmonline.com

it has a skill-rating system just like Runescape, very similiar actually. Very.

You can try before you upgrade to "Premium" account.

You can build stuff, like weapons, armor, houses, defenses, towers, you can chop trees, become a digger and watch the terrain virtually change before your eyes. You can become a fisherman for your town and keep all the players full while they play. (Basically, its just like runescape, You do stuff. Doing stuff costs health or 'stamina'. Eating restores stamina, Get too low on stamina, you work slower.)

You can become a carpenter, a trollslayer, a bunch of stuff. Its fun.

you can even move in the wate.r. with boats..

you can hunt trolls, unique monsters, spiders, lava fiends, a bunch of stuff.

Basically the game is very community-based as well. As to get hte most out of the game is to be in a town, get focused on a similiar goal. become a band and freelance. Stick people for their riches, kill them if you must..


http://wurmonline.com

Go to www.mmorpg.com and look it up if you want.

[Caramello Koala]

hahahhahahha! this argument is great!

[Anima Mundi]

hahahhahahha! this argument is great!

I'm glad to entertain you.

[P_R_Deltoid]

I'm glad to entertain you.

Hey, don't take all the credit. :(