Hollow Earth

[johnex]

This theory sounds crazy but there is facts which leave a person wondering if it is true. What do you think?

[TripleDot]

No U.

[Kow]

How does it explain volcanoes?

[yawanur]

or plate tectonics?

No, I'm not going to research. you started the thread, give us something to work with and spark discussion. :mad:

[the beat]

Google search: Agartha

[Vizier]

No. Just no. Maybe deep underground caves, but a really hollow earth.. no.

[Mr.Happy]

The only people who could possibly believe this are people who don't know enough about the Earth.

[rabbit boy]

This reminds me of Jules Verne's Journey to the Center of the Earth. It had a deep, vast underground ocean in it. I really don't remember that much of the story, though.

[johnex]

I would like to believe it. This universe is so strange that it seems like anything is possible.

[johnex]

Hollow Earth Entrances?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DirMYyERmVI&feature=fvsr

Good info link (read chapter about the inner sun)
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tierra_hueca/esp_tierra_hueca_8a.htm

On a side note if the earth isn't hollow then there is something else being covered up for sure.

[Mr.Happy]

I would like to believe it. This universe is so strange that it seems like anything is possible.

It is. It's just not probable.

There's no reason to believe something that's ridiculously unlikely if there's no evidence for it. A self-supporting, hollow, planet-sized sphere could only be manufactured by extraordinarily advanced sentient life (or something non-sentient created by extraordinarily advanced sentient life for that purpose, which is essentially the same thing). There's simply no way it could occur naturally (unless you consider events so improbable that they wouldn't happen once in the span of a billion universes possible; technically possible, but you're more likely to win the lottery every day for the rest of your life using the same numbers). Mass will coalesce towards its center of gravity (the center of gravity of a hollow sphere is the exact center, by the way; a center of mass doesn't have to have mass itself, like the hole of a donut). It's physics.

I don't know what your exact beliefs about the hollow Earth are, but if you post 'em (and the facts that make you wonder if it's true) I'm sure plenty of people will be happy to tell you how and why it's impossible. From a quick look around on Google, most 'evidence' for a hollow Earth is based on a gross misunderstanding (or deliberate, head-in-the-sand misinterpretation) of basic physics.

It can be nice to believe in things like this; it's comforting, it's interesting, it gives you a sense of wonder. It makes you feel like you know something that other people don't (I think this is the number-one reason people believe in things like this, but that's just a personal theory). I'd like to believe that someday in the near future we'll all discover the truth and be able to live in a warm, comfortable, horizonless world under the planet's surface with its own self-contained mini sun (seriously folks, many hollow Earth theorists believe there's a miniature sun contained within the space inside the planet). But it's not logical or rational; it's fantasy. There's no sense in losing yourself in a fantasy, because it gets in the way of living your life.

This isn't an attack on you, by the way. It's just really not a sensible thing to do to believe things like this.

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EDIT: Just saw the links you posted while I was typing. The first one proves nothing. It's technically possible (and I'm being generous there) that the cave in the YouTube video is an entrance to a vast, planet-sized cavity that defies the laws of physics. It's far, far, far more likely that it's just a cave. There's no evidence there, just a cave. There are millions of those all over the world, you can find many similar things on Google Earth and there's not realistically going to be anything special about this one.

The other link is just... wow. Literally, if I were to even point out all the mistakes, errors and inconsistencies in the first couple of chapters, I'd probably die of exhaustion. The chapter on the inner sun says that it's technically possible because dense materials tend to gather at the center of gravity, and that uranium, as a very heavy element, would therefore condense at the center of the Earth and form a miniature nuclear furnace. That's one sentence, in one chapter, and there are about ten things wrong with it. Please, don't think that just because something's written in a somewhat articular manner and that things in it are presented as facts, that makes it true or authoritative.

[johnex]

Some pictures

http://hollowjupiter.blogspot.com/
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/CT/animate.arctic.color.0.html Java pic
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/NEWIMAGES/arctic.seaice.color.000.png
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5233
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/

[johnex]

It is. It's just not probable.

There's no reason to believe something that's ridiculously unlikely if there's no evidence for it. A self-supporting, hollow, planet-sized sphere could only be manufactured by extraordinarily advanced sentient life (or something non-sentient created by extraordinarily advanced sentient life for that purpose, which is essentially the same thing). There's simply no way it could occur naturally (unless you consider events so improbable that they wouldn't happen once in the span of a billion universes possible; technically possible, but you're more likely to win the lottery every day for the rest of your life using the same numbers). Mass will coalesce towards its center of gravity (the center of gravity of a hollow sphere is the exact center, by the way; a center of mass doesn't have to have mass itself, like the hole of a donut). It's physics.

I don't know what your exact beliefs about the hollow Earth are, but if you post 'em (and the facts that make you wonder if it's true) I'm sure plenty of people will be happy to tell you how and why it's impossible. From a quick look around on Google, most 'evidence' for a hollow Earth is based on a gross misunderstanding (or deliberate, head-in-the-sand misinterpretation) of basic physics.

It can be nice to believe in things like this; it's comforting, it's interesting, it gives you a sense of wonder. It makes you feel like you know something that other people don't (I think this is the number-one reason people believe in things like this, but that's just a personal theory). I'd like to believe that someday in the near future we'll all discover the truth and be able to live in a warm, comfortable, horizonless world under the planet's surface with its own self-contained mini sun (seriously folks, many hollow Earth theorists believe there's a miniature sun contained within the space inside the planet). But it's not logical or rational; it's fantasy. There's no sense in losing yourself in a fantasy, because it gets in the way of living your life.

This isn't an attack on you, by the way. It's just really not a sensible thing to do to believe things like this.

~~~

EDIT: Just saw the links you posted while I was typing. The first one proves nothing. It's technically possible (and I'm being generous there) that the cave in the YouTube video is an entrance to a vast, planet-sized cavity that defies the laws of physics. It's far, far, far more likely that it's just a cave. There's no evidence there, just a cave. There are millions of those all over the world, you can find many similar things on Google Earth and there's not realistically going to be anything special about this one.

The other link is just... wow. Literally, if I were to even point out all the mistakes, errors and inconsistencies in the first couple of chapters, I'd probably die of exhaustion. The chapter on the inner sun says that it's technically possible because dense materials tend to gather at the center of gravity, and that uranium, as a very heavy element, would therefore condense at the center of the Earth and form a miniature nuclear furnace. That's one sentence, in one chapter, and there are about ten things wrong with it. Please, don't think that just because something's written in a somewhat articular manner and that things in it are presented as facts, that makes it true or authoritative.

No offense taken. Thanks for your response.

[Mr.Happy]

...one of those links suggests that there's a hole in Jupiter's poles, from within which sunlight is shining out. Jupiter is gas for a few thousand miles down, so that's just about the most bizarre suggestion I've heard all day. Another link consists of a guy who noticed something odd about the poles on Google Maps, so he adjusted the contrast levels and WHOA! suddenly there was a bright spot of light at the middle of the pole! After doing nothing but adjusting the contrast levels!

Take a step back from what you believe for a second and answer me this question. Do you honestly believe that a few home researchers with little or no geological or meteorological expertise would uncover something that tens of thousands of independent researchers wouldn't notice or would all cover up? Do you genuinely think that's possible? The first respected scientist to come forward with irrefutable proof that the Earth was hollow would become an overnight millionaire from the publicity alone. If something so huge was true, somebody knowledgeable would have uncovered it by now and come forward.

[johnex]

To answer your question. I would have to say no. I believe more so that there are secret bases at both poles and that if there were underground society's there would not be a inner sun and the societies would be right side up not upside down.

One last read to add for this thread.

When The Inner Sun Shines


Sometimes the Earth crosses directly between the Moon and the Sun. At such times the Earth cuts off the light going to the Moon. The Earth’s atmosphere however refracts the Sun’s light thereby ensuring that the Moon rarely disappears from view. If the Earth did not have an atmosphere, then the Moon would disappear completely. At the time of these eclipses the Earth’s night side is in full view, and apart from the light streaming around the edges of the Earth, there is no other light shining on the Moon. It is at this point that a mystery surfaces.



Astronomers have noted that these eclipses of the Moon are variable in brightness. Sometimes they are dark. At other times they are extremely bright. If the Earth’s atmosphere is dust laden, then the eclipses of the Moon are very dark – sometimes the Moon disappears totally. But then there are times when the Moon is exceedingly bright. Far too bright. Can the aurora (which can only produce a shadow on the Earth under exceptional conditions) really light up an object the size of the Moon 238,000 miles away? Or are there times when light from inside the Earth is refracted and bent through the cold polar air so that direct inner sunlight can fall on the surface of the Moon?

The condensed testimony of several European observers for an event on 19th March, 1848:

“I wish to call your attention to the fact, which I have clearly ascertained, that during the whole of the late lunar eclipse of March 19, the shaded surface presented a luminosity quite unusual, probably about three times the intensity of the mean illumination of an eclipsed lunar disc. The light was of a deep-red color. During the totality of the eclipse the light and dark places on the face of the Moon could be almost as well made out as in an ordinary dull moonlight night; and the deep-red color, where the sky was clearest, was very remarkable from the contrasted whiteness of the stars. The Consul at Ghent, who did not know that there was an eclipse, wrote to me for an explanation of the deep red color of the Moon at 9 o’clock.”

An observation from Ireland notes that before the eclipse ended, the light had stopped lighting up the Moon. It is as if we have a ‘search-light’ effect. Could it be that refracted light from the Inner Sun lit up the Moon for a short while and then left the Moon in total darkness again? Sunsets are red. This is because the red light can travel longer distances through the atmosphere whereas other wavelengths of light cannot. The deep red color in the above observations is therefore of extreme interest. It implies that the light traveled a great distance through the atmosphere before falling on the Moon. Could this light have traveled all the way out of the Inner Earth to be refracted and to then fall upon the Moon?

There is a mysterious brightening of the Jovian moon Io sometimes when Io has been behind Jupiter – in its shadow. Scientists have picked up that Io is sometimes anomalously bright when it comes out from behind Jupiter. Scientists have never thought of correlating this with a time when Io is above the Great Red Spot! I have wondered if some anomalous radiation from the Great Red Spot is the cause of the mysterious brightening of Io? The Earth’s Moon is therefore not the only object in the solar system which undergoes such an effect. Io is the closes of the Galilean moons to Jupiter. On Saturn a bright spot appears on the ring systems. This extremely bright spot is the cause of many a Saturnian mystery. These three different phenomena may all have a very similar origin – in that light emanates from inside planets.

[Mantikore]

the only way i can think of a celestial body forming is if it was once a sphere, but the inside got hollowed out, could be due to chemical erosion from solid to gas.

even then, it would need to be a small planet such that the low gravity allows the gas to escape, and the hollow core would need to be small.

still, its highly improbable

[Dog]

To answer your question. I would have to say no. I believe more so that there are secret bases at both poles and that if there were underground society's there would not be a inner sun and the societies would be right side up not upside down.

One last read to add for this thread.

When The Inner Sun Shines
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It's fun to think about stuff like that, and it is interesting to read, but if you use some common sense, you'd realize that all of that is just sheer fantasy.

Re-read Mr. Happy's posts.

[Σnigma]

This theory sounds crazy but there is facts which leave a person wondering if it is true. What do you think?

And what "facts" are these? How hollow is it? The deepest hole that has been dug so far is 7.6 miles deep, so how hollow do you make it out to be?

Of course, that would explain why the Nazis were in Antarctica.

[johnex]

And what "facts" are these? How hollow is it? The deepest hole that has been dug so far is 7.6 miles deep, so how hollow do you make it out to be?

Of course, that would explain why the Nazis were in Antarctica.

The facts I am referring to is that there is something being covered up. Such as the south pole being photoshopped in Google earth being one example. What is being covered up could be something more logical of course. Hitler believed the earth was hollow.

[HippieTrippie]

Damnit the Earth is flat and therefore can't be hollow.

[johnex]

Nasa Video?
http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/vis/a000000/a003300/a003333/amsr_e_sea_ice_640x480.mpg

[johnex]

Damnit the Earth is flat and therefore can't be hollow.

lmao that is just crazy.

[HippieTrippie]

lmao that is just crazy.

Yeah well, It happens, but in all seriousness, I highly doubt it's hollow.

[johnex]

Got a thought as to what else could be being covered up. Could be strange whether phenomena that all planets have but which we are not supposed to know about? Either this or secret bases.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOiV1RSfMnQ&feature=related

[rabbit boy]

To answer your question. I would have to say no. I believe more so that there are secret bases at both poles and that if there were underground society's there would not be a inner sun and the societies would be right side up not upside down.

etc.

There is a research station at the south pole. Military presence is not allowed on Antarctica, though.

I have no idea why someone would think that even if there are holes at the poles, light would travel through the earth to reach the moon during lunar eclipses. The holes would have to be elsewhere for this effect to happen (since the moon does not pass over the earth's axis), you would barely get any light from this since it has to pass through the opening and travel straight to the opening on the other side, and the moon would have to be lined up perfectly with the holes.

It could be that I don't understand the explanation, though.

Also, if there were holes in the poles you would gradually lose water from the earth via precipitation. Oh, and Antarctica's continental plate slid over to its current spot over millions of years. For quite a while sometime during the time of the dinosaurs there were no ice caps -- the oceans would have been sucked in through the holes.

Another thing -- the Arctic ice sheets float on the ocean.

[LiquidIce]

^ You know that in a thread like this you can always call bullshit on plate tectonics and stuff like that? It's all a conspiracy.

[Dog]

Johnex, for you're sake, I do hope you're just trolling. Are you really this stupid?

[Intoxicated Shaman]

Anyone who seriously believes this shit is fucking retarded. I learned about plate tectonics and shadow zones in like 8th grade. Realizing the Earth is not hollow is something even fucking grade school kids know. Holy shit, you have to be the dumbest motherfucker in existance OP.

[JustAnotherAsshole]

I'd believe it if it weren't really, really, really stupid.

[johnex]

I don't believe the theory. It would be crazy if it was real. A friend told me about this so I watched a bunch of youtube videos and thought it would be cool to make a thread and get people responses. There is definitely something paranormal going on and their are even hints at some type of conspiracy which I mentioned in a later post.

[Kow]

^ You know that in a thread like this you can always call bullshit on plate tectonics and stuff like that? It's all a conspiracy.

Except, in contrast to the hollow earth theory, that there's an inordinate amount of evidence supporting this claim.

[grunter]

It is possible to visualise extremely far into the center of the earth using types of scans. The amount of pressure and heat in interior of the earth keeps the core semi fluid. Hollow earth theory is baloney and goes against proven information.

[Σnigma]

The facts I am referring to is that there is something being covered up. Such as the south pole being photoshopped in Google earth being one example. What is being covered up could be something more logical of course. Hitler believed the earth was hollow.

Hitler also believed invading Russia was a good idea. Look where that got him.